#indiewebcamp 2013-02-15

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tantek.com created /federation (+81) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /federation (+201) "/* Articles */ An Introduction to the Federated Social Network, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /federation (-1) "/* Articles */ ws" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+376) "2013 EveryBlock.com friends lists and discussion threads" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /code-of-conduct (+2970) "draft" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+41) "/* IndieWeb */ has a code-of-conduct" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-4) "/* IndieWebCamp */ has a code-of-conduct" (view diff)
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@t drafted @IndieWebCamp code of conduct: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct input and feedback welcome. #respect #speakingup (ttk.me t4NW1)
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@veganstraightedge @ashedryden Wanna take a look at this?
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@bencrox RT @t: drafted @IndieWebCamp code of conduct: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct input and feedback welcome. #respect #speakingup (ttk.me t4NW1)
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@ashedryden @veganstraightedge looks great. :) /s/independents/independence.
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@ashedryden @veganstraightedge and thanks for making this a priority :} <3 @t @indiewebcamp
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@veganstraightedge @t @indiewebcamp Where's the right place for feedback? Small note.
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@veganstraightedge I love our team photos for @indiewebcamp.
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct (+19) "/* Respect */ (and independence)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct (+47) "Feedback" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+624) "Added myself (Shane Becker) to 2013 guest list" (view diff)
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@cstanhope RT @t: drafted @IndieWebCamp code of conduct: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct input and feedback welcome. #respect #speakingup (ttk.me t4NW1)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /code-of-conduct (+73) "/* Signed */" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /code-of-conduct-feedback (+263) "Created with active and archived discussions section, suggestion" (view diff)
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snowydog.com created /Help:Contents (+249) "Created page with "[[File:rachel.jpg|250px|right|Image Title]] ==Rachel Wente-Chaney== *[http://rachelwente.com rachelwente.com] *[http://snowydog.com snowydog.com] ==Projects== *OER curator (li..."" (view diff)
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: drafted @IndieWebCamp code of conduct: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct input and feedback welcome. #respect #speakingup (ttk.me t4NW1)
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Stevef adactio: do I take your lack of response about <cite> to mean you are not bothered about how it is defined?
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adactio No, it's just that I'm very busy. Also, I don't think I have anything more to add other than what I've said already. Sorry about the lack of response. Like I said: busy.
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Stevef adactio:ok no problem its not something I personally feel strongly about or have the requisite understanding of, but was asked about it so brought it up for discussion and pinged you/tantek as you 2 seemed to be advocates, if people do want to see the advice in the spec change they can particpate to make it happen
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Stevef adactio: and a heads up that the HTML WG is open for business
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adactio Cool. Thanks, Steve
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Stevef adactio: and your input is always welcome and appreciated along with others who have the time to participate
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+50) "l" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+1) "fix link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct (+5) "/* Respect */ added age" (view diff)
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Stevef tantek: hi see http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-02-15#t1360934284 conversation I had with adactio about <cite>, trying to gauge level of interest in changing spec
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dpk what's wrong with the spec for <cite>?
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Stevef dpk: refer to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Feb/0124.html
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dpk bleh. the 4.0 spec was wrong. draft-ietf-iiir-html (HTML 1.1) just said "citation"
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dpk HTML 2.0 defined it specifically as the title of a work
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dpk 3.2 was unclear ("citations or references to other sources")
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dpk 4.0 messed it up.
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dpk it came in in html.dtd,v 1.3 i think, with a bunch of other elements inspired by LaTeX added by DanC. <cite>'s progenitor in LaTeX was for titles
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dpk 4.0 messed it up and we can't ever un-mess it, of course
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dpk all because of that "Harry S. Truman" example …
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Stevef dpk: others disagree, I don't have any particular inclination
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dpk i would tend to leave it as-is, or to include a note saying "use of the <cite> element to mark up a name is deprecated"
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dpk even 3.2 wasn't *that* unclear. "source" tends to refer to a document or other "published" thing rather than a person …
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Stevef right
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Stevef surprised at how much its used for people names
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dpk yeah. i never even knew people were using it like that until i heard of this debate …
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Stevef will provide a link to a data dump when i get a chance
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dpk perhaps also add an <author> tag that means the same?
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dpk HTML 3.0 actually provided semantic markup for citing the source of a blockquote!
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dpk it's a shame HTML 3.0 never took off really, it had some good ideas
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dpk we still don't really have this in HTML5 … you can use <figure> and <figcaption> around the blockquote of course, but it's still a rather poor substitute imo …
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Stevef gotta go get my kids catch you later
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iamshane.com edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+163) "Added "political orientation" to Open Discussions" (view diff)
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@rwentechaney Okay, @funnymonkey. Finally got my #indiewebcamp registration done. You're next. http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+260) "age done, "political orientation" - any pre-existing phrasing?" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+87) "Moved resolved age discussion to Archived, thanked" (view diff)
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@fertilemedium @BarnabyWalters Thanks! Great question. I love the indieweb because the ownership is clear: It's your stuff, on your site or elsewhere.
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@benatkin I think the market is, on average, more supportive of #foss and #indieweb products and services than seed stage and angel investors are.
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aaronparecki.com edited /site-deaths (+292) "posterous shutting down" (view diff)
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benatkin got this error from IndieAuth: You just authenticated as 'https://twitter.com/benatkin' but your website linked to 'http://twitter.com/benatkin'
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aaronpk benatkin: you should update your link to https then it will work
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barnabywalters benatkin: I think that was discussed earlier, the conclusion was that it’s a feature not a bug
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benatkin cool :)
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barnabywalters IIRC reasoning was: if we open up one sort of ambiguity in the URLs, that’ll lead down a slippery slope and loopholes will emerge
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benatkin yeah it's a patches welcome type of issue :)
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benatkin it could reject it in a more pleasant way
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aaronpk yea, could catch that case with a better error message
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benatkin nobody saw this coming: http://blog.posterous.com/thanks-from-posterous
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aaronpk nobody at all
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aaronpk tantek: I just added posterous to the site-deaths page