#indiewebcamp 2013-02-28

2013-02-28 UTC
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tantek also I tried the argument that "…" communicates when to click, but that didn't fly (because no one else follows that publishing convention for when to click a link and when to ignore it as a permashortlink)
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tantek http://tantek.com/2010/126/t4/permashortlink-microsyntax-citation-syndication-discoverable-falcon-diso-2
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+93) "/* POSSE entire note to twitter */ add a response to a couple of the complaints" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh I think I remember this conversation
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tantek exactly, and now that we're repeating it, it deserves to be documented somewhere more discoverable
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tantek huh, another advantage of hosting your own content, you can fix links when they break
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aaronpk lol!
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tantek (links from your posts to others' sites)
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aaronpk good point
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tantek needs to be added to /why
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tantek as a positive
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tantek digs through 2010 archives to go fix a link
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tantek unlike say, j.mp
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tantek finally has an example of a post with both a j.mp shortlink and the longurl where I can fix the longurl but not the broken j.mp
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tantek boom, there it is (with fixed longurl) : http://tantek.com/2010/145/t1/algorithmic-permashortlinks-diso-2-interview-ownyourdata
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tantek huh, this might the first place I described POSSE on the web: http://www.monkinetic.com/2010/05/26/tantek-celik-diso-20-brass-tacks
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tantek "Publish on your own site, own your URLs, your permalinks, and Syndicate out to other sites."
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+368) "/* POSSE abbr note to twitter */ explanatory posts re: tweets with permashortlinks" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+54) "/* POSSE entire note to twitter */ another Z complaint citation" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+12) "/* See Also */ POSSE" (view diff)
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tantek haha I'd forgotten about this one: https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/24213884298592256
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@zeldman .@t But making a carbon copy of your every digital fart and linking said fart to said copy to prove a point is neurotic in the extreme.
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+632) "/* Advantages */ bolden advantage summaries, add Search with citation" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+54) "/* POSSE entire note to twitter */ another Z complaint citation" (view diff)
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tantek I'd forgotten just how much I'd apparently annoyed Zeldman with this.
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+93) "/* POSSE entire note to twitter */ add a response to one of the complaints" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+411) "/* Background */ 2010-05-26 POSSE first described online as a concept" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /PESOS (+12) "/* Background */ term" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+127) "/* POSSE Destinations */ link-up Twitter section to the How To POSSE to Twitter explanation" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+150) "/* Advantages */ search engines figure it out when copies that link back to your original" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+10) "/* Related */ why" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /why (+1105) "/* Focusing on the Positive */ Fix links when they break, better UI/UX, Longer notes, Richer content embedding" (view diff)
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tantek whenever I go to tommorris's site to find particular post permalink to cite, I can't help but catchup reading his notes and LOL at many.
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tantek correction: tommorris is killing it the past few days
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tantek tommorris - where do I find your self-hosted @-replies?
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tantek e.g. what's the tommorris.org URL for this tweet: https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/306890969423437824 ? #ironic
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@tommorris @tigerchops The canonical version is on my site. Twitter is just syndication. See http://t.co/cZuTFr1g7W
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tantek or is Twitter the only copy of that?
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tantek as long as you're still posting *some* content (even just @-replies) *only* to Twitter (and not your own site), you're not (yet) treating Twitter as "just syndication" :P
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tantek !tell barnabywalters - can you show us how it's done? re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-02-27#t1362013991 perhaps demonstrate by @-replying to https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/306890969423437824 re: Tom's assertion that "Twitter is just syndication." ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+2) "/* POSSE Notes to Twitter */ 140* ... *including permashortid" (view diff)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 2/27 at 5:17pm: - can you show us how it's done? re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-02-27#t1362013991 perhaps demonstrate by @-replying to https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/306890969423437824 re: Tom's assertion that "Twitter is just syndication." ;)
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barnabywalters ha, sure
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@BarnabyWalters @tommorris @tigerchops twitter is just temporary, infrastructure for social BC ;) #indieweb (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1027/)
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tantek way to go barnabywalters with showing us all how it's done :) https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/307180560630034432
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@BarnabyWalters @tommorris @tigerchops twitter is just temporary, infrastructure for social BC ;) #indieweb (http://t.co/pAKrVGV1wZ)
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barnabywalters :)
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barnabywalters last night was one of those ones where I kept having to get up to write down ideas — specifically, ones about taking emergent patterns in the flexibly-tagged notes I’m producing and making those patterns into discrete resources
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barnabywalters something which other tag-implementing services are terrible at
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barnabywalters for example, if I want to maintain a list of bookmarks/links to do with hurdy gurdies, do I do it in a wiki page or with notes tagged #gurdy #bookmark
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barnabywalters and if I don’t intend to do this but end up doing so, how do I consolidate those notes into a resource of their own?
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barnabywalters tags are adequate for findability but as a tagging schema/IA is highly personal and ever-changing, they’re not much use for this sort of thing
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barnabywalters i.e. the way I use tags: I start out by not knowing how I want to categorise stuff, I tag it flexibly, I start seeing patterns after a while — the problem is, no-one else knows these patterns
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barnabywalters so I need a way of solidifying the *patterns*, whilst still flexibly producing the *content*
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tantek as long as it works for you, for your findability, that's fine
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tantek I end up clustering stuff in personal wiki pages too
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barnabywalters but it’s not just findability — I want to be able to act upon these patterns (e.g. visualisations), and share them publically
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barnabywalters anyway, I have some ideas which I’m going to implement and see how well they work. Just thought I’d air my thinkings here in case anyone else has similar ideas/problems
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tantek associative tag clouds?
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tantek aaronpk - check out the new Google Sign-in button: http://googleplusplatform.blogspot.com/2013/02/google-plus-sign-in.html
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tantek does this affect indieauth at all through Google+?
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aaronpk heh...let's find out
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aaronpk i can't imagine they'd make a non-backwards-compatible change though
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aaronpk still works fine as is
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aaronpk i didn't see any of the new stuff
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aaronpk (but i had already authorized the app of course)
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tantek great!
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tommorris has worked out the slow posting issue on his site.
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tantek tommorris - how about posting @-replies on your own site that are able to link-up their twitter copy to the tweet that they're in response to? e.g. as Barnaby has done with: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1027/
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tommorris yep, that's next on the debugging list
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tommorris having a slow osting process discourages use, obvs.