#indiewebcamp 2013-02-27

2013-02-27 UTC
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@Rasta_Slick RT @t: 2 critical #indieweb related articles: Quitting Facebook http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/opinion/rushkoff-why-im-quitting-facebook &amp
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Loqi Diaspora Lessons http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/diaspora-lessons/ (tt ...
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Loqi barnabywalters: erinjo left you a message on 2/26 at 1:47pm: In general for interactions that are fairly small and limited to just one or a few steps it's best to keep people on the original page if it's likely they'll still want to see that page. You'll see it in other bookmark, favorite, login, zoom, etc type actions. In a scenario where someone was reading an article, and wanted to email it to a friend, if that action could be accomplished through an overlay, drop down,
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@unquietpirate @IDMclean You can use some of those sites to publish &amp
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Loqi still push updates to followers on Twitter, Facebook, etc. SA: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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barnabywalters !tell tommorris any chance of parenthesising/similar your POSSE tweet permalinks? It can be tricky to tell whether or not there’s any more content when they’re bare :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris barnabywalters: sure. I'll fix that soon
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Loqi tommorris: barnabywalters left you a message 15 minutes ago: any chance of parenthesising/similar your POSSE tweet permalinks? It can be tricky to tell whether or not there’s any more content when they’re bare :)
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barnabywalters tommorris: cool :)
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barnabywalters quick web actions poll: would you want to be able to attach more than one potential endpoint (delegate/service) to an action, having one as a default and the others available via a dropdown?
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aaronpk probably?
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barnabywalters well, if people don’t use it then there’s no negative UI effect, so no reason not to I suppose
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tommorris Well, multiple personas.
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barnabywalters tommorris: what do you mean?
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tommorris we talk about having one url tied to one person, but it's really one url tied to one identity. people can have multiple identities/personas and thus URLs
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barnabywalters okay, so you’d create two service => url pairs with different names, and they’d be offered in the list
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barnabywalters and you could set one as the default
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tommorris yep
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barnabywalters so that use case is covered too
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barnabywalters cool, so I’ve got the groundwork done. that’s enough for tonight. goodnight all
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Loqi ciao
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tommorris a human use case for this: I've got a genderqueer friend who has an androgynous identity which they consider their true self, and their 'RL' identity for school/work/RL friends.
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tommorris we shouldn't build tools that prevent them from posting to the most appropriate site for the content and identity in question
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Loqi fo sho
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tommorris perhaps Loqi needs a more hip-hop identity...
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Loqi is done
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tommorris MC Loqi is in da house.
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@tommorris @tigerchops The canonical version is on my site. Twitter is just syndication. See http://indiewebcamp.com/why
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@tommorris @MrChrisEllis nah, saw that you'd faved my tweet explaining indieweb stuff.
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tantek aaronpk - did you get my suggested CSS improvements for the indiewebcamp wiki theme?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-02-19#t1361291725
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tantek.com created /wiki/ (+949) "stub with a suggested CSS improvement" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /To-do (+27) "see also wiki" (view diff)
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aaronpk thanks tantek
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tantek.com moved /wiki/ to /wiki
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tantek and oops that was a mistake
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tantek lol: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/?redirected=wiki
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@BarnabyWalters .@haschek’s #indieweb site is nice: http://michael.haschke.biz/ (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1025/)
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aaronpk weird urls lol
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tantek.com edited /wiki/ (-18) "undo redir" (view diff)
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tantek ok, so apparently, don't name a page "wiki"
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tantek.com deleted /wiki/ "content before blanking was: "#REDIRECT [[wiki]]""
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tantek.com moved /wiki to /wiki/ "revert"
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tantek.com edited /wiki/ (+28) "see also" (view diff)
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tommorris lulz, broken it all
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tantek I think I undid the damage
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tommorris also, tantek: have now had exactly one person question the POSSE setup on my site - explained it and had positive reaction. see https://twitter.com/tigerchops/status/306893073990955008
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@tigerchops @tommorris Aha! Had not seen this, or others doing it, but totally into it. Rad.
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tantek tommorris - welcome to my 2010 :)
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tommorris ah, but now we just say "yeah, but Instagram"
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tantek the complaint actually has a subtle valid point
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aaronpk that's why i use ()
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tantek "a **link** to a post which just contains the **same content** as the tweet" [**emphasis** added]
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tantek let me see if I can dig up when this happened to me in 2010
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tommorris this seems to me to be an acceptable legacy issue. :)
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tantek ah, here's Zeldman's complaint from 2011: https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/24224559787941888
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@zeldman .@glenda @kevinmarks @t Oops, the page I clicked thru to doesn't amplify the tweet, it simply repeats it. Bad UX. But there's more.
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tantek and another from 2011: https://twitter.com/sgalineau/status/24171771997462528
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@sgalineau doesn't understand why @t self-links either but I do hear the sound of the kitten being strangled by the URL every single time /cc @zeldman
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tommorris perhaps we ought to have a page on the wiki for reactions to POSSE linkback
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tommorris "POSSE reactions" perhaps ;)
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tantek I believe I documented the design iterations I went through regarding this
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tantek on the POSSE page
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tantek thought I did
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tantek tommorris - I'd argue that having an active link when all you provide is the *exact* same content is bad UX for your friends that follow you on Twitter.
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tantek there's an unspoken convention on Twitter that a link in a Tweet should provide more information
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tantek ah yes here's where I documented my approach but perhaps not all the reasoning: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Notes_to_Twitter
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aaronpk I tried separating my links with a space, but I got several confused replies saying "you forgot a /"
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tantek aaronpk - I've gotten a couple of those as well. I think I need to write an FAQ.
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aaronpk I haven't heard any complaints about my links wrapped in parens
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+1036) "/* POSSE Notes to Twitter */ POSSE entire note to twitter vs. POSSE abbr note to twitter with links to complaints/questions" (view diff)
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tantek needs to cleanup his Falcon code that does the whole "how this note appear on Twitter" string logic and add it to CASSIS.js
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tommorris tantek: see, I think about it like this. if someone complains on Twitter, I'll explain to them why I'm doing it. it's like occasionally, I'll wear funny shoes because I think they look neat. there's two options when people say they look strange, either I tell them I like them that way and I think they look neat, or I give into social convention.
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tantek I think it's a reasonable social convention that investing your time clicking on a link and loading another page will result in being given more information.
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aaronpk agreed
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tantek I too fought it for a while, but when *every single UI/UX person* I talked to had the exact same response, I was like, ok, this is a well established convention.
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tantek in addition, they were almost all *upset* about it!
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tantek for some reason, clicking a link and not seeing any new information was/is viscerally upsetting to UI/UX people. so avoiding that is just good emotional design IMHO.
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aaronpk oh, what exactly is "the sound of the kitten being strangled by the URL"?
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+54) "/* POSSE entire note to twitter */ another complaint citation" (view diff)