#indiewebcamp 2013-03-03

2013-03-03 UTC
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aaronpk writing my site with no database is really forcing me to come up with interesting ways of handling things
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aaronpk holy crap that was fast... TOML already has like 2 dozen parsers https://github.com/mojombo/toml#implementations
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tantek aaronpk, what's it for?
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tommorris tantek: it's like a simplified version of YAML or Windows INI files. configuration file rather than "markup" as such
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aaronpk it's supposed to replace YAML. it's a serialization format that maps to a hash in any native language that parses it
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tommorris wishes people would stop using "*ML" for things that aren't markup.
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tantek 80 page spec - lol
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aaronpk tommorris: yea he changed the name to Tom's Obvious, Minimal Language, probably because of that
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aaronpk used to be "Tom's Own Markup Language" https://github.com/mojombo/toml/blob/d1bc6e4b0428e26a5805c1224b65041ea7723680/README.md
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tommorris I've seen far, far worse abuses of *ML
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tommorris TweepML was one - https://gist.github.com/tommorris/223649
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tantek that's pretty funny
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aaronpk lol
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tantek tommorris - my fave on this subject: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/08/No-New-XML-Languages
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tantek note that microformats.org was just barely 6 months old when he wrote that.
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tommorris the separation between vocabulary and structure is something I think XML failed at and both RDF and microformats succeeded at.
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tommorris the semantics of the data can fit within a wide variety of syntactical structures. y'know, like natural language. ;)
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barnabywalters So the web action extension is over at https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt
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tantek barnabywalters - presumably if a site already has <action> elements, the extension doesn't "replace" them, right?
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barnabywalters barnabywalters: Well, they get replaced with a UI
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tantek and oh dear - let's please not use "share" as an example - "share" is such a trainwreck (as anyone using an android knows)
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barnabywalters Yeah, it's a ambiguous. Where am I using that?
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tantek do="share" :P
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tantek http://tantek.com/2012/152/b1/citation-ui-focus-enabling-design#share-all-things
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barnabywalters Oh, in the code snippets. I’ll fix that
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barnabywalters On my personal site I’ve rolled out post, reply and bookmark actions
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barnabywalters With their twitter equivalents as fallback
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barnabywalters Bad share verb fixed, replaced with post
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tantek barnabywalters - another big difference between webactions (and other tech approaches)
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tantek in addition to being user-centric
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tantek webactions, and specifically the proposed action tag, do not require any JS on the publisher side
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tantek markup only
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tantek that's a big one
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barnabywalters tantek: Absolutely — in the example code snippets I tried to emphasise the straightforward approach to markup and BC
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tantek I also meant as one more thing to note in the section " Isn’t this just [web intents | web activities | x other technology]?"
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barnabywalters I.e. “just wrap what you've already got and everyone wins”
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tantek right
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barnabywalters Yeah, that section should be on the wiki really
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tantek heh
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barnabywalters I’m experimenting with, instead of FAQ, questions with answers and questions without
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tantek sure
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tantek also - feel free to use this as a reference in the "what are <action> elements" q: http://tantek.com/presentations/2012/06/osb12-web-actions/#slide15
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tantek that was the first public proposal of them
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tantek 2012-06-28
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Loqi !calc 2012-06-28
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barnabywalters Okay, I added those clarifications
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tantek (in case people think you're just making things up ;)
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barnabywalters !tell gjones,erinjo as someone who's done web action UI brainstorming, I'd be really grateful for feedback for this: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt — the actual button UI is fairly awful but the structure is in place
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters Hah, just noticed a selfdogfood fail on the web intents site — they're using a G +1 button
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tantek barnabywalters - heh - well, it was a Google-invented/Google-only technology anyway
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tantek intents that is
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