#indiewebcamp 2013-03-04
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Loqi erinjo: barnabywalters left you a message on 3/3 at 10:39am: as someone who's done web action UI brainstorming, I'd be really grateful for feedback for this: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt — the actual button UI is fairly awful but the structure is in place

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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webactions (+358) "/* Verbs brainstorming */ Added initial twitter verb research" (view diff)

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@ehafen @SwissGator enjoy @rock_health event in SF #ownyourdata @DatenundGesundh
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[http://flickr.com Flickr] is a [[silo]] for storing and organising photos."" (view diff)#
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barnabywalters tommorris: oh cool! I’ve done similar visible-metadata tagging (with p-category of course) on my profile page

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barnabywalters people discovery (and wider social graph querying) via XFN and p-category/rel-tag is a building block just waiting to be made

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barnabywalters hah, too right :)

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barnabywalters tommorris: could you do me a favour and document any interesting verbs you’ve noticed on services you use which I haven’t covered (e.g. getglue I think?) here http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#Verbs_brainstorming

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barnabywalters tommorris: the more the merrier! have a good time either way

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barnabywalters Right, well http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#Verbs_brainstorming is pretty full of verbs and citations — that’s probably enough research for one evening

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barnabywalters I’m wondering just how relevant "re[tweet/blog/post]" is in a non-silo context. At a technical level it’s just storing a reference to the original content (side note: possible shady implications if the OP can then edit that content?), on a UI level duplicating the content

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barnabywalters out of a silo, the equivalent would be posting a link with a quote (or at least that’s how I currently do it on my notes)

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barnabywalters within silos it works *really* well, I’m not sure how it can be made to work so well outside them

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barnabywalters without rethinking what the fundamental action is

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barnabywalters aaronpk – sure, so posting with quotes ('quote' verb?) is the equivalent

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barnabywalters aaronpk: btw it would be awesome if you added some experimental <action> markup to your notes pages!

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barnabywalters now that it can actually be used

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barnabywalters I’ve rolled out post, reply and bookmark <action>s (with twitter intent fallbacks) to my note pages

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barnabywalters it has a shiny(ish) config UI and support for multiple services per verb/button etc

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barnabywalters that’s it

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barnabywalters aaronpk: since tantek suggested it :) (citation of presentation in the GH readme)

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barnabywalters tommorris: using geocoding I assume?

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barnabywalters I figured if people took <intent> seriously when there was only a barely functional demo, people might take <action> seriously as I’ve made an extension which is useful right away

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barnabywalters and that it is designed to be easy to add to existing markup

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barnabywalters tommorris: cool, I should do that too so I can check in when wifi location doesn’t work on my laptop

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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah, the one I did ended up 10 mins long somehow! I’ll add screenshots now

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barnabywalters I’m also going to start documenting URL APIs which can be used with it — probably in my notes with #uriapi or #webactions

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aaronpk does your site have a database that lets you do this page? http://waterpigs.co.uk/tags/ui

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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah, but I’m actually planning on using good 'ol links on the /tags/x pages

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barnabywalters and then pulling content in via js

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barnabywalters otherwise duplication and lack of support for my conneg stuff and meh

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barnabywalters so /tags/ui markup will just contain <a> elements linking to, e.g. /notes?tagged=ui

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barnabywalters aaronpk: oh, cool, so how are you doing it?

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tommorris so, http://tommorris.org/checkin/venue/search?q=charing+cross+road - enter your own search at http://tommorris.org/checkin/venue

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barnabywalters aaronpk: oh great, so that hooks in well with the jeckyll workflow then

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barnabywalters oh I thought you were — are you rolling your own?

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barnabywalters nice

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barnabywalters I still feel a bit stupid about using a DB, but it’s working out nicely and I’ve learnt how to use a load of new tools through it

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barnabywalters that’s a really good plan. I’m compensating by working the other way round, and providing ways of getting at my content in loads of different formats (soon: creating content from all the formats, simplifying PESOS and data migration) — so not as pure a flow but adequate

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barnabywalters decided to do a transcript of the video with screenshots for accessibility and people who don’t want me wasting 10 mins of their day :)

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barnabywalters goodnight all!

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aaronpk tantek: I finally caught up on barnaby's work on web actions! His post is super useful: http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/web-action-toolbelt-guide/

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tantek like I said, feel free to start http://microformats.org/wiki/interests-examples

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tommorris then I was looking at Facebook Graph Search and seeing the sort of things people use to sort people in their social network - http://imgur.com/d4LT6zB

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tantek aaronpk - in reply to your IRC citation: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-03-01#t1362167602

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tantek tommorris - re: gender, relationship, employer, current city, hometown, school and friendship - my last blog post about exploring/expanding this from a format perspective: http://tantek.com/2010/336/b1/dating-preferences-public-profiles-formats-federating

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tantek tommorris - here's a real world example if you're looking for examples of people publishing dietary preferences: http://tantek.com/w/FoodPreferences

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tommorris danbri: so, in true linked data stylee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovo-lacto_vegetarianism - my dietary preferences have a URI. ;)

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