#indiewebcamp 2013-03-23

2013-03-23 UTC
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bretolius I recently moved to portland, and have been becoming more interested in ways to take control over my online services and identity for the past year. After stumbling across indiwebcamp when educating myself about web semantics recently, It seems like attending would be a fun way to learn more about this kind of stuff, and maybe even get involved in a larger project. I don't know if I qualify as a creator though, all I have is a static
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bretolius jekyll gh-pages blog and domain that I created, and a slew of private web services for myself. Is that enough? Would I be better as an apprentice? Maybe this isn't for me at all?
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aaronpk bretolius: if you have a domain name that you use to represent yourself online then you definitely qualify!
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aaronpk if you can log in to the wiki then you know you're set up right! :) http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:UserLogin
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bretolius oh i see
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bretolius i'll check it out
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aaronpk once you log in, feel free to add yourself to the guest list! We'd love to see you there http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List
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bretolius cool :)
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bretolius Is indiewebcamp in any way related to freedombox?
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aaronpk sorta similar goals I suppose
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bretolius I'll explore the wiki some more :)
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aaronpk great! what's your site?
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bretolius bre.tc
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bretolius (work in progress)
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aaronpk cool. will check it out
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bretolius forgive the twitter bootstrap… I didn't understand css at the time
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tantek bretolius - freedombox, like most such efforts, is based around a single implementation (and the inevitable monoculture that comes with that)
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bretolius well thats not ideal
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tantek with indiewebcamp we've specifically chosen to encourage and embrace a diversity of approaches/implementations
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tantek bretolius - it's not ideal, but it's typical. all the following communities are built around a single codebase: Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla, Diaspora, tent.io etc.
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tantek one of the key things we recognized with indiewebcamp is that no one implementation is likely to be *the* answer
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tantek we're much more likely to advance the state of the art by encouraging everyone to build what works for them
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tantek and then figure out how to interoperate between different coding/implementation approaches
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tantek from what I can tell, this makes indiewebcamp different (more inclusive) than all other such "open source" efforts out there
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bretolius interesting…. Diaspora was certainly a disappointment when it turned out to be an open source Facebook clone
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bretolius yeah it seems like a good approach
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bretolius I like the federation efforts as well
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bretolius of the people involved in indiewebcamp
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bretolius I'll read it over
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bretolius oh its a wiki edit :/ i'll look it over anyway
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tantek aaronpk, related: https://plus.google.com/113612142759476883204/posts/USwCuJj9LFq
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tantek see my comment (5th one down, no way to permalink to G+ comments :/ )
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tommorris tantek: not only is the issue "no one implementation is likely to be *the* answer", but that multiple implementations are good in and of themselves in promoting a healthy ecosystem more generally
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tommorris preventing monoculture is a usually a good thing ;)
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tantek yes. multiple implementation efforts help to more quickly explore different parts of the problem space.
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tantek as we're all exploring different aspects of what's important in an indie web site for ourselves
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tantek each of us can learn from what the others figure out
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tommorris yep, nobody else seems quite as interested in hacking together geo checkin stuff as I am. and that's fine. ;)
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tantek every area needs a pioneer
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tommorris although I dare say aaronpk has some geo-based interests. ;)
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bretolius yay, on the wiki. That was simple enough
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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bretolius although, it would be neat if inidiauth could recognize to navigate from flickr.com/photos/bretc to flickr.com/people/bretc to find the link back
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bretolius i had to link to my profile there rather than the photostream
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bretolius Ok, well I'll check the wiki out some more and think about my schedule around the conference time and sign up if I can make it
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bretolius later
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@digpenSW RT @BarnabyWalters: Indiewebifying my #digpen lanyard: http://photos.waterpigs.co.uk/p/t4 (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1174/) &lt
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Loqi there's always one ;) #indieweb
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@Mr__Psi Own your data. http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page
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@olivierthereaux Thanking Google for getting people to stop wondering whether online services may die, and start planning for when they will. #OwnYourData
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@ehafen MT “@Rock_Health: Future of Healthcare http://t.co/hnXah8xsvq” Disagree, belongs to citizen #ownyourdata @DatenundGesundh @SwissGator
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barnabywalters I'm thinking it would be cool to use a simple webRTC video chat for indiewebcamp remote participation — perhaps using http://simplewebrtc.com/
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barnabywalters Esp. as google hangouts require nasty plugins
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aaronpk sure! I'm not super familiar with all the options out there, so happy to take suggestions!
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@ecyrd RT @anildash: @Pinboard @jkottke @newsblur Indieweb plan: 1. Plod away on a moderately popular app. 2. Wait years for big company to scr ...
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tantek greetings #indiewebcamp - reminder - today is the last day to submit OSBridge 2013 proposals! Please do so: http://opensourcebridge.org/call-for-proposals/
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tantek.com edited /projects (+1206) "moved ownCloud to hacks - no evidence of any attendees running it as of 2013-082, separate blogging projects vs other building blocks, upgrade open photo to production" (view diff)
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tantek ok indiewebcampers, I'm trying to figure out what exact projects everyone is using as their primary blogging / content hosting implementations
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tantek so far I have:
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tantek WordPress, Jekyll, MediaWiki, StatusNet, Falcon, Ferocity, Hello World, Social Igniter, Storytlr
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tantek is everyone here using one of those to publish/host content on their domain? and if not, what are you using?
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tantek or heck, what *are* you all using?
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tantek e.g. aaronpk, what do you call the software running on aaronparecki.com?
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tantek welcome back caseorganic!
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caseorganic tantek: hi! thanks
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tantek are you still running MediaWIki as the primary content publishing/hosting software on your primary personal domain?
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tantek (I'm updating our list of who is using what software on their primary personal site)
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caseorganic tantek: it's no longer mediawiki. i don't know if aaron has a name for it
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caseorganic i'd leave him a message here for when he opens his computer once the plane lands
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tantek is it the same code that is running on aaronparecki.com?
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dpk tantek: not sure how you're going about it, but if you can also gather examples of sites with RSS/Atom feeds produced by these various tools, that would be very helpful for me
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dpk if you're not looking at actual sites, just tools, don't worry about it :-)
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tantek well - you can do feed discovery on the URLs listed under each here: http://indiewebcamp.com/projects
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dpk oh, great. thanks!
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tantek I'm looking at/for both tools and indiewebcamp community members' personal sites
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dpk is collecting a corpus of RSS feeds for testing purposes: https://github.com/rss-sync/corpus
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tantek so for example, what's your personal URL?
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dpk http://dpk.io/
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tantek dpk - a lot of us have given up on RSS and only publish Atom feeds.
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tantek since it's much more clear *what* to publish in an Atom feed.
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dpk well, RSS and Atom
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dpk yeah
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dpk which is produced by writing HTML files in a directory which is the document-root of the vhost
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tantek ok - so it's a static site
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dpk so, basically, my publishing tools are BBEdit, Transmit and lighttpd
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tantek cool
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tantek heh
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tantek I use BBEdit as well :)
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tantek what about http://davidkendal.net/ ?
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dpk so i noticed by your handshake
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dpk oh, that's a custom thingie
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tantek that's cool! what's it called?
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dpk static also, slurps Markdown and produces HTML
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dpk err
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dpk it doesn't really have a name
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dpk oh, i released it a while ago! heh, forgot about that
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dpk https://github.com/dpkendal/publishjr
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dpk Publish Jr. name stolen from an ancient project by Dan Cederholm
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dpk hmm
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dpk oooh
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dpk https://status.github.com
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dpk "We are currently taking a DDoS attack and are working to mitigate. The site may be slow to respond, and you may struggle to pull/push code via SSH - we apologise for any inconvenience."
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dpk (tantek is also getting DDoSed)
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dpk wb tantek
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tantek sorry - laptop battery fail - to the point where it needed to restart :(
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dpk heh, is 'k
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tantek and now I have to run unfortunately
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dpk 'k
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tantek dpk - have to run, but you should consider going to IndieWebCamp 2013 for sure, and talking about publishjr
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tantek sign up here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List
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tantek :)
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dpk yeah, i'm on the … and he's gone
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dpk Loqi: tell tantek yeah, i'm on the list for IndieWebCamp UK 2013. looking forward to it!
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Loqi is done
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dpk :-/
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dpk .tell tantek yeah, i'm on the list for IndieWebCamp UK 2013. looking forward to it!
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dpk !tell tantek yeah, i'm on the list for IndieWebCamp UK 2013. looking forward to it!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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dpk Loqi: thx
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Loqi tantek: dpk left you a message 49 minutes ago: yeah, i'm on the list for IndieWebCamp UK 2013. looking forward to it!
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tantek dpk, are you? I don't see you here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List#Creators
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tantek oh sorry
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tantek *UK* got it
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tantek :)