#indiewebcamp 2013-04-06

2013-04-06 UTC
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bretolius anyone here have much experience with media gobblin?
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@steve_bignell RT @t: Think users just want to use FB/G+/Twitter connect? Go do some user testing: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/45842909320/users-dont-like-social-login #identity #indieweb (ttk.me t ...
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aaronpk whoaaaa!
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aaronpk klint wrote an article on techcrunch and linkde to indiewebcamp! http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/06/where-the-free-software-movement-went-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/
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tommorris Morozov is wrong in accrediting open source to O'Reilly - he may have popularised the free software to open source shift, but Eric Raymond deserves the blame/credit (depending on your opinion) for 'open source'
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tommorris actually, Morozov gets the history mostly write, in which case the TechCrunch article summarises it slightly wrong.
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tommorris </pedant>
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tommorris but woo. mainstream tech media coverage of indieweb!
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aaronpk check out all the syndicated versions of that post that sent pingbacks! http://pingback.me/api/links?target=http%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com/projects
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aaronpk lol they keep coming
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tommorris heh
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tommorris ooh, I should implement pingback shortly
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aaronpk and/or webmention!
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aaronpk you only have to do webmention if you use the proxy service I set up on pingback.me!
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Pingback#webmention
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tommorris I've got some aesthetic changes I need to make first. ;)
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aaronpk short version: <link rel="pingback" href="http://pingback.me/webmention?forward=http://example.com/webmention" />
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aaronpk i like how that almost doesn't require any documentation on how to use other than that line of code
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aaronpk so I had this crazy idea for a way to use pingback/webmention to do a sort of "indieweb hashtag"
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aaronpk trying to find the shortest way to describe it in a note on my site. may require a brief article tho
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aaronpk oh! tommorris! i'm in your timezone!
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tommorris oh, where be you?
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aaronpk Dublin!
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tommorris heh.
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tommorris just pushes a new version of site code up
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aaronpk 5pm and i've been up almost the entire time I left at 1pm yesterday PST
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aaronpk trying to push for staying up til about 8 or 9pm tonight
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aaronpk alright got a draft of a post
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aaronpk would love to get some more eyes on it before I publish it though
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aaronpk course I don't really have a way to publish drafts
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aaronpk ok it's up, but I plan on updating it significantly if anybody finds anything wrong with this idea
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aaronpk !tell tantek Would you mind reviewing the microformats-related parts of this post for accuracy? thanks! http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/04/06/1/a-proposal-for-hashtags-on-the-indie-web
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tommorris aaronpk: can't we just have tags? hashtags are just a subset of tags, right? ;)
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aaronpk|m tommorris: well in reality it isn't a tag at all, it's just a link!
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aaronpk|m Maybe I need to make that more explicit?
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tommorris haven't really looked at it yet. ;)
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aaronpk|m oh ok lol
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tommorris just got back from a long walk and am just OSMing
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aaronpk|m Skimmed the title?
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aaronpk|m Nice
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aaronpk|m I just went on a long walk, then wrote that, and am now drinking a Guinness at an Irish pub :)
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aaronpk|m Seemed like an appropriate thing to do
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 13 minutes ago: Would you mind reviewing the microformats-related parts of this post for accuracy? thanks! http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/04/06/1/a-proposal-for-hashtags-on-the-indie-web
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tantek aaronpk - hashtags work because they're SUPER simple and easy to communicate
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tantek simpler than URLs
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tantek so anything that would replace them needs to be just as simple
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aaronpk|m good afternoon/evening!
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tantek for one, I wouldn't change the syntax at all
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tantek in terms of what a user is expected to write/author
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aaronpk|m interesting, but then we're back in SPOF land, with some sort of registry or something
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tantek hashtags have clearly worked - they're all of over popular/mainstream media etc.
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tantek hashtags aren't a SPOF, any more than ordinary words are a SPOF
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aaronpk|m The fact they are used in tv is really something
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tantek you don't need a registry for hashtags
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tantek they work across all media
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tantek all sites
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aaronpk|m But you need to know where to look for them
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tantek people use the same hashtags across Twitter, Instagram, G+, Status.net, App.net etc.
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tantek anyone can create their own hashtag
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tantek so hashtags themselves, as syntax, and as authored/published, are already fully distributed/decentralized
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tantek so don't mess with that part
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tantek because it works
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tantek and it's already a good thing (distributed/decentralized)
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aaronpk|m Ok yea that makes sense
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tantek now that being said
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tantek what you've proposed is still *useful* but just not as a replacement for hashtags
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tantek you're basically reproposing a rough version of rel-tags - what we designed and implemented at Technorati back in 2005.
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tantek so you've mixed two things in your post which would each be worthy as separate posts
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tantek 1. bringing back rel-tags for the indieweb
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tantek 2. surfacing/aggregating hashtags across the indieweb
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aaronpk|m Oh? I need to read up on technorati's rel tags then
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tantek well Technorati was only one implementation of rel-tag
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tantek we of course created it as an open microformat :)
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag
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aaronpk|m So, I could reword that to focus on the aggregation aspect, because that was what I was really going for
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tantek aaronpk - aggregation is already a problem/challenge across social network silos
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aaronpk|m Prime example is when i just showed tommorris the list of syndicated versions of the techcrunch article that all sent ping backs to indiewebcamp.com/projects
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tantek even just time-aggregating (or clustering) a hashtag across a handful of sites would be a useful dashboard
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tantek techcrunch linked to indiewebcamp.com/projects? when/where?
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aaronpk|m I sent a link to a json document, but would have been better as hatom blocks
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aaronpk|m Today, a few hours ago
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tantek whoa
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tantek URL?
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aaronpk|m http://m.techcrunch.com/2013/04/06/where-the-free-software-movement-went-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/
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aaronpk|m Ack, stupid mobile URL
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aaronpk|m Ok so one of the problems this was attempting to solve is that when I publish a note with a hashtag, nobody knows about it
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aaronpk|m I need something I can notify with the tag and a link to my post
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aaronpk|m Maybe there will start to be hashtag aggregators
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aaronpk|m There kind of are already, just not explicitly hashtagsluts.
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aaronpk|m Um, iPhone auto-corrected "hashtag" to "hashtagsluts"... Pretty sure I've never typed that before.
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