#indiewebcamp 2013-04-10

2013-04-10 UTC
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tantek I'm looking into implementing webmention
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tantek and it looks reasonably straightforward
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tantek but there's a question of which links to send webmentions to
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tantek is it only for a link that you're commenting on, or should you send a webmention to all links in a post?
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tantek.com edited /webmention (+400) "add FAQ, Which links should receive webmentions" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /in-reply-to (+526) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /in-reply-to (+17) "see also webmention" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /webmention (+7) "TOC" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Which_links_should_receive_webmentions
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tantek !tell barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Which_links_should_receive_webmentions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com edited /webmention (+15) "see also pingback" (view diff)
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tantek totally forgot about the DDoS scenario that I brought up about Refbacks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refback#Security_issues
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tantek ah, this is not a problem with webmention because it requires two HTTP actions (a GET to discover the webmention endpoint, and then a POST to the webmention endpoint), and using 2 HTTP actions to then cause just a single HTTP action on an unrelated target is inefficient and therefore not worth doing.
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tantek ok, I'm reasonably convinced upon reviewing the way webmention works - seems like a reasonable improvement upon pingback (not requiring XMLRPC send/receive).
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tantek so on the receiving end (of webmentions), I'm thinking I want to be able to distinguish in my posts display between full fledged comment posts, where the intent is to have the entire comment be copied/displayed underneath my posts, and mere FYI mentions/citations, which either may not get displayed at all, or if shown may just be a list of "referencing articles"
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tantek I'm thinking that this information/distinction should be captured somewhere in the content of the replying post.
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tantek (rather than complicating/adding-to the webmention/pingback protocol at all)
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tantek so perhaps this is something that we can use "in-reply-to" to distinguish
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tantek if the link from reply to original is an "in-reply-to" link (per rel~=in-reply-to or class~=u-in-reply-to), then consider the reply to be a comment on the original and copy it across to the comments section in the footer of the original post
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tantek where "copy it" means parse the h-entry at the reply, and copy the p-summary if present, or e-content otherwise, using the p-author (with h-card) to display the author information for the comment, and the dt-published to display the datetime published information for the comment.
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tantek additionally, the dt-updated from the reply h-entry could be used for an "edited: datetime" annotation as well on the comment copy.
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tantek has anyone here actually implemented displaying webmentioned comments on their original posts? aaronpk, barnabywalters, tommorris?
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tantek hey eschnou - you implement webmention right?
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eschnou tantek, unfortunately no, only pingbacks so far
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eschnou it is on my today list though :-)
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tantek eschnou - webmention seems easier - I was going to attempt that first :)
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tantek (sending that is, receiving is next after that)
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eschnou tantek, indeed, webmention looks much easier. Good thing is I did not have to implement the whole xml-rpc thing, just reused some php pingback lib.
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tantek oh interesting
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tantek for sending or receiving xml-rpc?
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tantek.com edited /webmention (+1216) "write protocol summary, see also comment" (view diff)
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tantek eschnou if you have a moment it would be great if you could review http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Protocol_Summary to see if that makes sense to you - I just wrote it as a result of reading the WebMention spec and attempting to simplify it to an understandable example
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tantek aaronpk, if you could review http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Protocol_Summary for accuracy that would be appreciated!
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tantek !tell barnabywalters if you could review http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Protocol_Summary for accuracy that would be appreciated!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com edited /posts (+166) "pieces subsections, more markup suggestions" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /comment (+6222) "how to Display received comments, existing specs, massive hypothetical brainstorm" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /comment (+12) "/* Display received comments brainstorm */ a few more props" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /comment (+3) "/* Display received comments brainstorm */ fmt" (view diff)
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tantek ok, new question, anyone here actually *thinking about* how to implement displaying webmentioned comments on their original posts? aaronpk, barnabywalters, tommorris?
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tantek please review: http://indiewebcamp.com/comment#Display_received_comments_brainstorm
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tommorris tantek: added to my to-do queue.
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tantek.com edited /comment (+391) "/* Make a comment */ how to POSSE comments" (view diff)
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tantek thanks tommorris
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tantek I started thinking about how little code it would take to do "in-reply-to" chaining on my POSSEd notes to Twitter, and then got to thinking, but wait, I should at least support the *open* protocol at the same time to directly send webmentions, which then got me thinking about the entire protocol flow and display of peer-to-peer comments and then several wiki pages and K of text later...
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tommorris I've been a bit slack as my life has been two things this week: work and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Malet_Armstrong ;)
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tantek man the interactions between POSSE and commenting are interesting
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tantek I *think* I figured it out
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tantek.com edited /comment (+206) "/* Make a comment */ why POSSEing comments takes more care than POSSEing standalone posts" (view diff)
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tantek in short: when B comments on A's post and sends a webmention, and both A and B POSSE their posts, wherever they happen to both POSSE to (e.g. on Twitter), their POSSE'd copies should link-up there as well.
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tantek so those on the silo (e.g. Twitter), will be able to follow the conversation, even when A and B are replying directly peer-to-peer and linking peer-to-peer.
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tantek.com edited /comment (+176) "/* Make a comment */" (view diff)
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tantek now I'm curious if anyone here who *is* implementing webmention sending, POSSE, and setting in_reply_to_status_id on Twitter copies, is actually doing all three in combination!
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tommorris sometime soon. ;)
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tantek !tell barnabywalters when you post a comment regarding an indieweb post, do you also when POSSEing your comment to Twitter give it the in_reply_to_status_id of the Twitter copy of the original indieweb post (that you're commenting on)?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek I really hope that's understandable without a diagram.
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tantek with 4 moving parts and all
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tantek.com edited /comment (+269) "/* Make a comment */ As an implementer, consider in question form POSSE + in_reply_to_status_id" (view diff)
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tantek of course this would need someway to discover from a post what are the POSSE'd copies
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tantek rel="alternate" ?
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tantek rel="syndication" ?
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tantek (it is more specific than just an "alternate")
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tantek I thought we discussed this but apparently it wasn't captured
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tantek or maybe I just imagined it
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tantek I did capture this: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts-elsewhere
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tantek for how to link from a post to syndicated copies
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tantek hmm, barnabywalters is using class="u-as-downstream-duplicate u-alternate" on the link
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tantek tommorris - do any of your posts on tommorris.org link to their POSSE'd copies on Twitter or elsewhere?
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tantek.com edited /posts-elsewhere (+127) "/* Examples */ note the code that waterpigs.co.uk uses on links to syndicated copies of posts" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /posts-elsewhere (+1302) "Suggested Markup" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /posts-elsewhere (+480) "implemented suggested markup on my own post. nothing like selfdogfooding a fresh proposal, came up with reason for "Elsewhere" rather than "Syndication" for heading" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /comment (+631) "/* Make a comment */ How do I find POSSE'd copies of the post that I'm commenting on? using rel-syndication / u-syndication discovery, give POSSE a comment its own subsection since its bigger than the rest of the section now." (view diff)
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tantek And with that, I think I've figured out a fully POSSE-aware way to do peer-to-peer comments and have everything automatically discovered, linked up, and displayed as nicely (or nicer than) what the silos do.
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tantek Now to code it...
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tantek or rather, now to sleep on the design, and iterate on it after the rest of you lot have had a chance to pick it apart :)
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tommorris tantek: my posts link to the POSSE'd version on Twitter
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tantek tommorris - example post URL that does that?
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tantek.com edited /posts-elsewhere (+30) "explicit TOC" (view diff)
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tommorris http://tommorris.org/posts/8197
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tommorris all of them link through with the 'Tweet' link to the intents URL endpoint
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tantek what if I just want to view it, and not retweet it?
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tommorris yeah, I should probably have a 'Post elsewhere' section
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tantek hmm - that's not actually a link to the copy
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tommorris which would have links to the versions on Twitter (and app.net and FB eventually)
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tantek that's a link to the retweet intent URL
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tantek I'd expect a link to https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/321522255173677056
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@tommorris According to The Economist, only 8% of benefit claimants have three or more children. I say this, because we woul... http://t.co/UGHToZ5Yac
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tommorris yeah, that's easily fixable. I'll do that later on today
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tantek so does that happen automatically for all your posts?
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tommorris yep
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tommorris I store the tweet ID for each post if it gets posted to Twitter
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tommorris I have the option to not syndicate to Twitter on a per-post basis
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tommorris if I don't, it obviously doesn't have a tweet ID
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tantek.com edited /posts-elsewhere (+157) "add automatic vs manual subheads since this list / section is growing" (view diff)
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tantek makes sense
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tantek in that case, since you're going to "do that later on today", I'd be interested in your opinion on: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts-elsewhere#Suggested_Markup
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tantek and when you've implemented a 'Post elsewhere' section, add yourself and an example post to: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts-elsewhere#Automatic
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tommorris rel=syndication seems like a good idea
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tantek thanks tommorris
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tommorris I already have something at http://tommorris.org/posts/2506
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tantek I think with that, we have all the follow-your-nose pieces in place for fully POSSE'd and POSSE connected peer-to-peer comments.
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tantek well on that post you have a "discussed further at:" section
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tantek which is more like a "Comments" section
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tantek than an "Elsewhere" section
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tommorris yep, that is added manually
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tantek per http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Footer_sections
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tantek right, they're different kinds of sections
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tommorris I might use that existing code and add something like "This post is syndicated at:" and "Comments and further discussion"
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tantek nice
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tantek looking forward to seeing your choice of design & copy
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tommorris so I'm planning to add a cron job that will 'syndicate back' app.net
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tantek (which, can I just say, I really appreciate the broad diversity in design & copy in all of our own implementations of all this stuff on our individual blogs)
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tommorris yup. "design" might be pushing it a bit for mine. I really need to fix some egregious CSS howlers at some point
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tommorris line height for one, and there's a mobile iOS bug I need to fix
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tommorris mobile safari rather
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tantek tommorris - don't undercut yourself, your site is definitely *designed* in as much as it is plenty usable, clean, simple, and easy to read
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tommorris in terms of front-end implementation... there's a reason I spend my work life inside a database rather than inside Firebug. ;)
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tantek sure, maybe a tad bit more line-height, but really, that's a detail
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tantek it's so much easier to read than any article on a mainstream media site with all the garbage noise in the gutters
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tommorris and share buttons everywhere
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tommorris I did recently change the display of long articles on the main page to have a jQuery 'read more' thing
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tommorris so stuff that's over about 400 characters gets a JavaScript 'read more'
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tommorris if you don't have JS enabled, you see the whole thing. ;)
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tantek oh that's smart
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tantek.com edited /comment (+172) "/* Display received comments brainstorm */ note link to problems with relative time displays" (view diff)
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tommorris http://plugins.learningjquery.com/expander/
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tommorris I wanted to keep the mobile-friendly behaviour of "be able to load the front page and read everything without Ajax"
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tommorris because of the use case of reading on the tube etc.
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tommorris the checking-in-on-my-site thing has changed my behaviour somewhat. when people ask where we'll meet, I tell them I'll check in on my site. I'm debating whether or not to POSSE the check-in-on-my-site posts out to Foursquare for their convenience or not
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tantek would be cool just to see you explore the "how to" POSSE to foursquare
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tantek so far we have theoretical strategies but no one has yet implemented POSSE to foursquare
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tommorris it'd only be a matter of adding to my job queue - basically it'd call the Foursquare API, look for the venue that looks closest (possibly using levenshtein distance or similar string distance calculation, as well as geo distance)
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tommorris then sending a checkin that doesn't sync out to Twitter/fb, and include a link back as the comment
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tantek job queue is one method. being able to do it realtime at post-authoring time is another.
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tantek that would allow for you to correct for any "venue closest" errors
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tommorris adds a bit too much complexity to the checkin UI
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tantek it's a tradeoff, sure
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tommorris the worst case scenario is that the checkins don't match: in which case I'd write it so that unless it's like 80%+ sure, it'd fail
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tantek maybe your "venue closest" code will be highly accurate/trustable :)
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tommorris the problem arises not for things like pubs or bars or restaurants but things like train stations
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tommorris "London Charing Cross" and "Charing Cross" and "Charing Cross railway station" and "Charing Cross tube station" - which one to check into? ;)
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tantek airports have the same issue
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tommorris given that there is the "Charing Cross" - an actual statue with a Christian cross on the top - right outside the train station. It is the measuring point which is used when people calculate and say "London is X miles from New York"
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tantek airport, concourse, gate
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tommorris but nobody would ever 'check in' to that, because it's not really a thing one could check in *to*
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tantek people check into the yoda statue in SF
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tommorris you can't just do it based on location either as Foursquare has vandalism
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tantek as wikis do
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tommorris in Tunbridge Wells, there's a venue called "Your Mum"
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tantek lulz
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tantek yes at some past SXSWi confs, people would create venues for each other, and each others, ahem, body parts, to which they would then check into
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tommorris classy
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tantek and then compete for mayorship
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tantek yoda statue BTW: https://foursquare.com/v/yoda-statue/4bdf4bdaffdec9286871eba1
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tantek huh, one of the body part venues is still around: https://foursquare.com/v/trammells-beard/4bafd2a0f964a520a8233ce3
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tommorris Why did I never visit the Yoda Statue when I was in SF? ;)
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tantek it needs to be on a nerd tour of SF list
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tantek along with Ritual Roasters for the table where we created barcamp :)
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tommorris nice
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tommorris tantek: so, here's the feed from App.net - https://alpha-api.app.net/feed/rss/users/49269/posts
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tommorris each item has an <atom:link> back to the source
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tommorris with rel="source"
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aaronpk tantek: awesome discussion of comments last night! catching up now...
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aaronparecki.com edited /posts-elsewhere (+81) (view diff)
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aaronpk just updated my site with rel="syndication" for the links
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tantek aaronpk - awesome!
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aaronpk tantek: the webmention flow you documented looks correct to me!
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aaronpk tantek: was thinking about adding my post http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/03/28/1/an-open-challenge-to-app-net to the "comments" page as an example, y/n? it's an interesting case of comments since it's directly in response to the two posts I linked, but not really a traditional comment
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aaronparecki.com edited /comment (+238) "/* Examples of Replies */ add aaronparecki.com examples" (view diff)
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aaronpk indie = independent + individual
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tantek independece and independents
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tantek aaronpk, where on http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/03/19/1/indiewebcamp does it link to the POSSE'd copy?
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tantek (on Twitter)
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tantek and glad to hear that I got the webmention protocol flow summary right!
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tantek and the post that your post replies to, http://www.bradryanbice.com/2013/03/i-launched-a-new-look-and-feel-today-and-im-tweeting-from-wordpress/ itself doesn't link to its POSSE'd copy on Twitter either
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tantek (which by inspection of Brad Ryan Bice's twitter, I found by hand here: https://twitter.com/bradryanbice/status/314105447667863552 )
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@bradryanbice I launched a new look and feel today, and I'm tweeting from Wordpress. #ownyourdata http://t.co/YQV0yOtVjt
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tantek aaronpk, in inspecting @aaronpk, I don't see a POSSE'd copy of http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/03/19/1/indiewebcamp
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tantek.com edited /comment (+438) "add reply to and syndicated copy links to one of aaronpk's replies" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - do you only POSSE your replies to Twitter that are actually in-reply-to directly to a tweet, and not your replies to indieweb posts?
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aaronpk tantek: looks like that was an error, I think I had changed some code on my site that day, was supposed to have been tweeted out as well
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tantek how did you detect what tweet id to link your POSSE'd copy to Twitter to?
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tantek there's no obvious link from the bradryanbice.com to its POSSE'd copy
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aaronpk I found his post through this channel because he used the #ownyourdata hashtag
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aaronpk so I had the twitter version first
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tantek but http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/03/19/1/indiewebcamp has in-reply-to (and links to) the bradryanbice.com post
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tantek so did you enter the twitter version manually into your posting UI?
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aaronpk oh! that's what happened...
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aaronpk in my posting UI i have only one field for "in-reply-to" URL
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tantek as in, when POSSEing to Twitter, be sure the POSSE copy sets its in-reply-to to this other tweet iID?
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aaronpk so I entered his actual URL, not the twitter version
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tantek a-ha!
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aaronpk which is why I didn't end up posting it to twitter
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aaronpk because my posting UI only auto-checks the "syndicate to twtiter" option if the in-reply-to is on twitter.com
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tantek did you see my proposal for how to auto-detect when an in-reply-to has a POSSE'd copy on Twitter?
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aaronpk yes! I like it!
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aaronpk I need to step through it again because I was only glancing at the channel when you wrote it, but it seemed reasonable at first!
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/comment#POSSE_a_comment
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tantek at the end of that section, starting with: "If you get to the point of asking this question: "
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tantek now it wouldn't have helped in this case, because the bradryanbice.com version doesn't link to its Twitter copy
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aaronpk yea
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tantek so I suppose you could have fallback UI in your posting interface that lets you manually enter a Twitter URL for the @-reply to set its in-reply-to-status-id
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aaronpk yes, I supposed I should have a field for each service I POSSE to
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aaronpk and my UI should automatically fill it in if it finds the rel="syndication" URL in the primary URL I enter
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aaronpk lunch! back in a bit
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tantek.com edited /comment (+294) "/* POSSE a comment */ Auto-discovery of the POSSE'd copy on Twitter, fallback to providing" (view diff)
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tantek ok I added a bit about providing a fallback UI
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aaronpk cool
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Loqi 3 files modified, 1 new files in aaronpk/Pingback/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Pingback/compare/9459a9dee682...84c0eb7bb27d
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Loqi aaronpk: Adds web mention handling endpoint to receive webmentions. Some internal refactoring of code to be a bit cleaner.
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aaronpk heh, forgot I set that up
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+20) "/* indieweb support */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /comment (+41) "/* Examples of Replies */ added syndicated tweet" (view diff)
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aaronpk manually syndicated :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /comment (-10) "not really a stub anymore!" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters I finally added webmention support to my site! (by adding it to pingback.me)!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronparecki.com edited /building-blocks (+15) "/* Posts */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /link-preview (+66) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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aaronpk we need a link-preview validator like Twitter has for their cards https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards/validation/validator
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tommorris ooh: http://tt-rss.org/ - an RSS reader you can run on your own server
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tommorris in-browser + android open source client
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 14 minutes ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Which_links_should_receive_webmentions
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 43 minutes ago: if you could review http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Protocol_Summary for accuracy that would be appreciated!
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 13 minutes ago: when you post a comment regarding an indieweb post, do you also when POSSEing your comment to Twitter give it the in_reply_to_status_id of the Twitter copy of the original indieweb post (that you're commenting on)?
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 47 minutes ago: I finally added webmention support to my site! (by adding it to pingback.me)!
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barnabywalters ahhh too many messages
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barnabywalters aaronpk: great!
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barnabywalters tantek: just reading the first two
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barnabywalters tantek: IRT the third: no, too much bother
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barnabywalters aaronpk: so does that mean you send webmentions? I thought you already received them?
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webmention (+191) "/* Which links should receive webmentions */" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webmention (+12) "/* Protocol Summary */ Clarified when the webmention is sent" (view diff)
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barnabywalters woah the comment page got big
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barnabywalters a lot of those subsections could probably be their own pages, with a short summary on /comment
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barnabywalters RE comment display: if I send a webmention, I (theoretical me) might just want to let the page know I’ve linked to them, and might not want to license my content to be displayed by the recipient
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barnabywalters if the reply is an article, then using just the p-summary is probably acceptable whatever the license
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barnabywalters perhaps not so if the content is a note
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barnabywalters but either way, without a solid definition of in-reply-to, it’s hard to know whether or not to treat incoming mentions as “comment” style replies, or as “retweet/quote” style replies
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waterpigs.co.uk created /comment-presentation (+6245) "Dump of presentation-related content from [[comment]]" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /comment () "(-6224) /* Display received comments */ Moved to a separate page" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /comment-presentation (+8) "/* Existing specifications for display */ linkified" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /Pingback (+22) "Redirected page to [[pingback]]" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /WebMention (+24) "Redirected page to [[webmention]]" (view diff)
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barnabywalters on the distinction between comment/reply: WP says reply is a “statement or acknowledgment made in response to an interrogative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question”
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barnabywalters comment = “verbal or written remark often related to an added piece of information”
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barnabywalters in this context the distinction is probably more confusing than useful
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barnabywalters especially when also dealing with linking posts which *aren’t* comments/replies
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barnabywalters so, when I implement this, more than likely I will initially have just a list of people who have linked to the post, in the network section of my note UI (the bit listing POSSEd copies)
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barnabywalters and ignore any distinctions based on the worlds of silos and blog commenting
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tommorris barnabywalters: Tumblr's 'notes' semantics is quite reasonable on that front
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tommorris covers 'likes'/'hearts' and reposts and reposts with comments
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barnabywalters tommorris: excellent example! yeah, I’ll probably do a minimal copy of that initially
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tommorris I also have this at the bottom of one of my postts - http://tommorris.org/posts/2506
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tommorris I'm going to do a little teeny bit of refactoring this evening to link through to app.net
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tommorris haven't got time to implement webmention etc.
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /comment-presentation (+450) "Added indiewebcamp attendee usage, past usage" (view diff)
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barnabywalters tommorris: I added your example to the comment-presentation page
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /comment-presentation (+96) "/* Past Usage */" (view diff)
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tommorris barnabywalters: thanks. ;)
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aaronpk|m barnabywalters: I thought it was you who pointed out I was only accepting pingbacks
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aaronpk|m Anyway, I now send and receive webmentions and pingbacks!
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tantek.com edited /comment (+516) "/* Display received comments */ add summary of how to Display received comments" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /comment-presentation (+1178) "Added silo research" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /comment-presentation (+514) "/* Indiewebcamp Creator Usage in the wild */ , shorten name, expand examples, note no automatic comment display (yet)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /link-preview (+325) "implementation wishlist / Utilities / Link preview validator" (view diff)
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tantek finally catches up with activity above
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tantek ah, too bad barnaby left, I wanted to ask him more about "might not want to license my content to be displayed by the recipient"
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tantek the flipside is, by propagating indieweb comments across sites, we increase the chances of them staying around
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tantek a lot of the comments I linked to just using the person's name have long since disappeared from their own sites (if their sites are even still up or still theirs)
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tantek wish I'd somehow copied their comments
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tantek !tell barnabywalters re: "without a solid definition of in-reply-to" - could you rephrase that as set of questions/issues? I'm writing up a specification for in-reply-to here: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-in-reply-to
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com edited /comment-presentation (+115) "move Existing specifications for display since it's more of a critique and historical documentation than anything actually useful" (view diff)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 30 minutes ago: re: "without a solid definition of in-reply-to" - could you rephrase that as set of questions/issues? I'm writing up a specification for in-reply-to here: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-in-reply-to
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barnabywalters tantek: fab, I’ll add them to the page
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barnabywalters tantek: I dumped some unpolished thoughts in http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-in-reply-to#Issues
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tantek thanks that helps!
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barnabywalters tantek: you have a Firefox OS phone right?
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tantek barnabywalters I think from the perspective of handling different replies - we should just try stuff and see what happens
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barnabywalters tantek: sure, probably a theoretical problem anyway
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tantek I mean, a few of us are manually adding comment links to a few posts at this point and nothing more.
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tantek so we should try to do *something* better
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tantek because frankly, Pingback display SUCKS, e.g. see the bottom of : https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/04/10/gearing-up-for-the-next-chapter/
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tantek those summaries are worthless
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tantek and "Pingback" is jargon - it doesn't belong in UI / display
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tantek yes I have a FFOS test device
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barnabywalters yeah, also they are typically set apart from comments — usually below, reducing their perceived worth
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barnabywalters cool, I’m trying to get hold of a nexus S so I can try it out on an actual device
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tantek it's pretty cool
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tantek all web apps and stuff
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tantek ideally I want to post/read from my indiewebsite on my FFOS device :)
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tantek (I don't say phone because I prefer to do everything over wifi)
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tommorris http://tommorris.org/posts/8197 - now has links to the app.net syndicated version
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barnabywalters yeah, I built the emulator a few months ago, and then downloaded the new simulator yesterday — nice to see lots of progress!
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tommorris will add rel link when I get home
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barnabywalters tantek: I can do that already in the simulator :)
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barnabywalters see: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1264/
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tantek nice!
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tommorris oh, bugger, needs /status in the tweet one
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tantek I want the whole of experience of being out and and about and actually mobile posting from my FFOS mobile device (with geolocation and everything)
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barnabywalters need to add an app manifest for shiny icons, but otherwise it was an effortless (i.e. write the URL in a box) “conversion” process
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Loqi gives tantek the whole of experience of being out and and about and actually mobile posting from my FFOS mobile device
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tantek WOOT!
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Loqi yay!
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barnabywalters ha!
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barnabywalters tantek: yeah, that’s why I want to get it installed on a real world device
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barnabywalters I don’t suppose mozilla makes them available to any non-mozillians? ;)
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tantek barnabywalters - they are available for developer pre-order or something
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barnabywalters from geeksphone? “or something” is about right
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tantek also - as you noted, you can install FFOX on several android devices
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tantek FFOS
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tommorris I want Tom Daley naked and covered in chocolate.
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tommorris (go on Loqi)
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek tommorris - lol
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tommorris Loqi gives tantek all the things. no fair
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Loqi TANTEK ALL THE THINGS http://loqi.me/6xa
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tantek now you've done it
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barnabywalters apparently Loqi thinks your name is a verb
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tantek barnabywalters I don't think it checks for verbness
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barnabywalters really? perhaps not, but sometimes he seems to miss X all the Y
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tantek before it verb all the nouns
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barnabywalters perhaps there’s some other condidion
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barnabywalters *condition
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tantek probably some resting state
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tantek tommorris, are your "This post is syndicated to:" sections automatic or manual?
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tantek (looks automatic)
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tantek (and yes you're missing a /status ;) )
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tantek and hey - how about some rel=syndication on those links?
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aaronpk my favorite thing about loqi is how he avoids being perceived as a bot by cleverly ignoring certain comments designed to provoke him :)
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek ouch it looks like Lanyrd.com is down - anybody NOT getting pink 500 llama?
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tantek and it looks like they're back
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