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# 00:07 tantek related - I'm attending Google I/O this year - any other IndieWebCampers making it out to that?
# 00:08 tantek was offered an invitation - checked with folks at work, decided it was worth at least going once, in the hopes of connecting with more Google engineers and perhaps establishing contacts for better open standards support.
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# 00:29 jedahan ohai pdxpeople, i am visiting from nyc and would love to grab drinks, chat about indie publishing and tech in general. i plan on grbbing dinner around hawthorne and then exploring, whose up to meet there or nearby?
# 00:32 jedahan i mean none are in hawthorne, someone told me to start at bagdad theater then wander
# 00:32 aaronpk or if you go the other way there's some good stuff on division/clinton
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# 00:34 jedahan Well I am staying downtown, and have spent a decent amount of time (relative to my stay) up in the dante's area
# 00:34 jedahan Managed to catch sinferno which was awesome and unexpected, and then ground kontrol industrial night last night, the food trucks are pretty tasty so far
# 00:35 jedahan I just wanted to see whats outside downtown, but I got a whole week soo...
# 00:42 aaronpk i'd be up for meeting you at Departure in a bit! it's great on the roof when it's sunny out!
# 00:49 aaronpk cool! actually can we do a bit later like 7? still getting some things done at the office
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# 00:59 jedahan aaronpk mind if I invite some museum people, blasted out via #mw2013
# 01:00 jedahan I'm here for a museum technology conference, called Museums and the Web
# 01:01 jedahan Yeah, some are really interested in independent words and data ownership
# 01:01 jedahan I doubt anyone will come on short notice, as the conference hasnt started yet
# 01:04 jedahan so up to you if I send a message out to the world, if you are more comfortable I'll hold off
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# 17:18 donpdonp like could I suggest that to a new newsfeed site without looking crazy?
# 17:19 barnabywalters donpdonp: hm… wasn’t the indieweb butler thing activitystreams over websockets?
# 17:19 barnabywalters the only bit of the code I looked closely at was the browser extension, so it might not have been
# 17:20 tantek donpdonp - I think the IndieWeb answer to "Is X a thing?" is "Are you building X on your own site?"
# 17:21 donpdonp tantek: ok well what I need to build then is a desktop (or web) activitystreams-over-websockets consumer!
# 17:21 barnabywalters on which note: is anyone actively using indieweb butler? looked like a really nice system
# 17:22 donpdonp the thing about building stuff is someone has always already started it and its best to connect with those projects first.
# 17:22 tantek donpdonp - somewhat - except "connect with x" doesn't scale as x keeps increasing in number
# 17:23 tantek e.g. I keep seeing julien tweet asking about his web subscribe button thingie
# 17:23 tantek Twitter sucks for discussion/conversation/feedback
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# 17:28 tantek barnabywalters - is that on the project page?
# 17:31 donpdonp the commend system takes an email address and looks up the openbadges list to check for the 'donpark.org blog badge', which then displays a textarea or not
# 17:31 donpdonp try your own address, it should "shake red", then try don.park@gmail.com and it'll go through
# 17:32 donpdonp note there is no authentication of the given email, its just a test of interacting with openbadges.
# 17:32 donpdonp also there is a link to acquire the 'donpark.org blog badge'
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# 18:50 tantek has anyone used or built any indieweb food/calorie/fitness tracking solutions?
# 18:54 tantek barnabywalters - what you're doing definitely counts
# 18:54 tantek even if "all you're doing" is posting notes with the hashtag #steps
# 18:54 tantek or are you enforcing the syntax of, the word before "#steps" is the number of steps as an integer?
# 18:55 tantek if so - you could document it, and then anyone could mine the data, make graphs etc.
# 18:55 barnabywalters tantek: pretty much a picoformat, yes — there are also a couple of other rules
# 18:57 barnabywalters aaronpk: I’ve not tried it with this data yet — i’d be interested to hear your thoughts/problems you’ve had with similar data
# 18:57 aaronpk mostly the challenge is all the data is stored and collected in drastically different formats, with different axes
# 18:59 barnabywalters although if there’s a data point every day, it’d be fairly easy to compare — say, with temperature
# 18:59 aaronpk yea, that's the trick, you have to normalize everythign to the same interval
# 19:00 barnabywalters perhaps I should start adding location data to the #steps notes so I can map out the average number of steps per day in different locations
# 19:00 barnabywalters at the moment that’s only back home vs. in iceland, but that alone might be an interesting comparison
# 19:01 barnabywalters or just figure out how my walking patterns change throughout a week/month/year
# 19:01 aaronpk i have temperature data for every 5 minutes around my current location, still need to correlate that with other data :)
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# 19:03 aaronpk oh, boo, it was my fault for trying to use https with an http library
# 19:04 aaronpk I query the wunderground API with my current location from Geoloqi
# 19:05 barnabywalters oh, when you said you were recording it I thought you meant you were, like “recording” it ;)
# 19:06 aaronpk hm I think if I published quantified self data on my site I would make a new stream for it, it wouldn't be part of my notes. would probably be still relatively plaintext
# 19:07 barnabywalters aaronpk: with steps, I decided that one short note a day was tolerable on my website, but I don’t tend to POSSE them unless that day was a particularly interesting outlier
# 19:08 barnabywalters or the walking was primarily with some other people — the “Had a great day walking X #steps with Y and Z” kind of thing
# 19:08 tantek ideally you'd POSSE them to whatever fitness sharing silo your friends use
# 19:09 tantek barnabywalters - if you can find a URL for that, please add it to the wiki
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# 19:11 barnabywalters “evan prodromou bmi” is my contender for today’s weirdest search term competition
# 19:13 tantek well there's the problem that BMI doesn't measure enough of the right things
# 19:13 tantek it's only good for coarse evaluation - not something you can really optimize on its own
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# 19:17 barnabywalters aaronpk: as far as high friction personal data collection goes, my iOS data is right up there ;)
# 19:17 tantek aaronpk - agreed about the high friction problem :/
# 19:20 barnabywalters any thoughts on how google glass (or preferably an open source hardware clone) might reduce personal data collection friction?
# 19:21 aaronpk i don't know, the glass is basically an external display for a phone
# 19:22 barnabywalters problem with ambient audio is that’s a *lot* of data to store, even more to process
# 19:25 barnabywalters one of my friends has a cousin who records a lot of his conversations — or used to. Often without telling the person being recorded, to mixed results
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# 19:28 aaronpk but even average noise level as a number would be interesting
# 19:28 aaronpk the problem is what interval is that recorded? every hour? every 5 minutes? every time another event occurs?
# 19:29 aaronpk looking for outliers is where it gets interesting
# 19:31 barnabywalters I was quite impressed with tropo’s automated, free audio transcription. Not sure how well it’d hold up to ambient conversations — it certainly wouldn’t differentiate between different speakers, or handle people talking over each other
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