#indiewebcamp 2013-04-20

2013-04-20 UTC
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xtof !tell eschnou I'd be happy to join this indieparty http://christopheducamp.com/blog/tweets/64678/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek xtof - do you POSSE your /blog/tweets posts to Twitter?
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tantek I couldn't find a copy of http://christopheducamp.com/blog/tweets/64678/ on https://twitter.com/xtof_fr
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xtof tantek i did not posse it at the moment. think I could do it tomorrow with a better understanding. research in progress.
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tantek I just figured that everything in a directory called /blog/tweets would show up on Twitter :)
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xtof currently focused on translations… ;) just trying to catch how to make line break in notes http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-04-20#twitter_:_comment_ins.C3.A9rer_un_saut_de_ligne_.3F
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xtof I will try to document the small wp-extension I use : i have the choice to POSSE or not to POSSE (aka "broadcast")
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tantek ah ok
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tantek I'm POSSEing every note just to make copies
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tantek also that way I don't have any posts on Twitter that are not on my own site
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iamshane.com edited /building-blocks (+0) "/* Posts */" (view diff)
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@veganstraightedge I just noticed that @indiewebcamp is using the same license as me. :D
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Loqi eschnou: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 44 minutes ago: just saw http://eschnou.com/home?tab=1, including syndication of the pingback from aaronpk - well done! that's awesome that you got all that directly from parsing the h-atom on his permalink page.
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Loqi eschnou: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 44 minutes ago: also, this is a great step forward in indieweb comment presentation: http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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Loqi eschnou: xtof left you a message 6 hours, 9 minutes ago: I'd be happy to join this indieparty http://christopheducamp.com/blog/tweets/64678/
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bretolius http://qz.com/74937/how-to-become-internet-famous-without-ever-existing/ And people argue silos are able to address spam?
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tommorris bretolius: to be fair, I reckon Wikipedia would have caught that within a few days. we're pretty good at that. but twitter etc. yeah - fail
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bretolius i doubt wikipedia is the one at fault here, I agree
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tommorris tantek: I've just suggested running a web history editathon - http://tommorris.org/posts/8220
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tommorris given that Yahoo are closing upcoming
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@ehafen @ikf_ehealth Great CAS program on eHealth at IKF Happy to participate next year again #ownyourdata @DatenundGesundh
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@ikf_lucerne RT @ehafen: @ikf_ehealth Great CAS program on eHealth at IKF Happy to participate next year again #ownyourdata @DatenundGesundh
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@ehafen @ikf_ehealth Interessant, dass die Kommentare die Selbstbestimmung beim Patienten sehen #ownyourdata
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christopheducamp.com created /comment-presentation-fr (+11381) "[fr: translated from original]" (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com edited /comment-presentation-fr (-28) "/* Présentation de Commentaires */ removed <ref>á mettre á jour</ref>" (view diff)
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tantek at least all the stuff in upcoming.org has incremental IDs, so writing an incremental crawler should be pretty straightforward (for anyone that wants to do so).
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tantek tommorris - dammit. just saw your message and post. 10 days is ridiculous.
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aaronpk was interesting to hear about andy baio's attempts at scraping the data. seems yahoo started returning blank responses after too many requests in a row
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eschnou hello all !
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eschnou aaronpk, your mention finally came ok, needed to fix a bit of parsing on my side: http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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eschnou aaronpk, you don't have mf2 markup and I was not processing mf1 one properly.
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aaronpk very cool!
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aaronpk ah, yes haven't gotten around to mf2 yet
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eschnou aaronpk, yup, I find it awesome as well, true federation ! Next challenge is to have federated threaded conversations :-)
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eschnou tantek, got your messages via Loqi, thanks for your comments !
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Loqi woot!
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tantek eschnou - thanks for helping move the indie web forward!
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tantek aaronpk - any challenges with adding h-entry #microformats markup?
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tantek hopefully it should take you a matter of minutes (if not seconds)
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tantek and if it takes longer / or is more challenging - I'd love to know about it
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eschnou tantek, my pleasure, it is only the third time I try to get some federated stuff working, maybe this one is the good one :-) I like the simplicity of pingback + markup.
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aaronpk the challenge is always figuring out the right classes to add where, since my markup is always slightly different from the examples. also making it not conflict with my css
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tantek we should base our federation formats/protocols on microformats2
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eschnou tantek, it has been easier to implement than Salmon :-)
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk tantek: federation using mf2, google juice using mf1 then?
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tantek since it *should* be the easier to markup / publish mf2
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tantek aaronpk - mf1 *only* for the top level item of the page - because that's all that search engines care about.
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aaronpk that's interesting, what exactly do you mean?
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tantek but mf2 for *everything* on the page - so that it works for the "your web page as your API" use case
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tantek aaronpk - search engines are using microformats typically for page-level search results / link-preview type stuff - which means the top level thing on the page
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aaronpk google seems to have found my author card on all my notes/articles/home page
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tantek that's through rel=author
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tantek and google treats rel values as page-level also
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk oh I get it
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tantek so it found your rel=author link to the page about you - which has an hCard as the top level thing
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aaronpk like when the URL represents a single entity, and the mf1 markup on that page does as well
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tantek there's always a top level entity for a URL
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tantek btw - this is the latest FAQ I wrote-up because it's being asked more and more:
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#When_should_I_use_microformats2_over_microformats1
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tantek think of mf1 as the simplest way to get link-previews
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tantek and mf2 as the simplest way to turn your page into an API for the data on the page
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aaronpk is that true going forward as well? or only because google has impelmetned mf1 but not mf2
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tantek it's the best advice as of right now.
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tantek in the future, when things change, we'll update the advice accordingly :)
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aaronpk aha
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tantek it will of course work just fine going forward
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tantek so 1 mf1 object plus many mf2 objects is future friendly
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tantek the nice thing is, google has shown evidence of parsing new microformats over time
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tantek last year they added support for hAtom
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tantek this year they added support for hMedia
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tantek and they're doing so quietly, without announcing it
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aaronpk yes true!
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tantek so as more mf2 is deployed, they'll add support for it as well
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aaronpk so i'm wondering at what point it makes sense to deprecate mf1 markup
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aaronpk or at least stop adding new mf1 markup
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tantek also, I'll be talking with the rich snippets folks at Google I/O, doing my best to make it happen sooner :)
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aaronpk OH great
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tantek aaronpk - well, I used to (last year) add mf1 markup to everything
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tantek as of this year I'm only adding it for top level items on the page
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tantek so maybe next year?
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tantek it's pretty trivial though. a single mf1 microformat object is trivial to add to a page
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aaronpk wonder if any of them can be dragged to the party at jillian's? i'm probably going to be there, but not at google io
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tantek send me the event info/invite and I'll do my best :)
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tantek also - we can plan a microformats dinner/meetup/drinkup during I/O as well
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aaronpk great idea!
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tantek so yeah - let me know when you've added uf2 to aaronparecki.com and your posts and we can add your site to: http://microformats.org/wiki/uf2#Examples_in_the_wild
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tantek eschnou - hopefully you can rely more and more on uf2 markup
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tantek since adding uf2 markup is WAY easier than the harder step of supporting sending/receiving webmentions ;)
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tantek alright - I'm off to switch locations
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tantek aaronpk - hope to see uf2 when I get back :)
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tantek aaronpk - in particular: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
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eschnou tantek, webmentions are on my todo list, one baby step at a time :-)
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tantek eschnou - webmentions are on my todo list too: http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Working_On :D
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eschnou tantek, but the most pressing need right now is to have a client where I can consume the feeds of others....
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eschnou not sure if I'll integrate in storytlr or build something else, there is pros/cons for both.
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tantek cool. feel free to create a Storytlr page on the wiki to track these things if you like
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tantek e.g. a "main Storytlr page" to link to from http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#Storytlr
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eschnou tantek, will do, I need to document what has been done so far.
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tantek (note how the other projects nearly all have "Main article: …" at the start of their sections)
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tantek even if you just do a braindump like what aaronpk did with his p3k
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tantek it would be great
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tantek wiki pages can start small :)
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tantek btw aaronpk - love your braindump of p3k: http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
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tantek awesome and inspiring
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tantek :)
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tantek ttys!
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eschnou aaronpk, I have two issues with indieauth: 1) if I link to http://twitter... on my site, it fails because it retrieve https://twitter and does not seem to understand it is the same thing :-)
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eschnou 2) why no support for openid inside indieauth ? I would rather login with my openid than through twitter.
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eschnou xtof, was your wordpress post yesterday supposed to send me a pingback ? Did not get anything :(
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aaronpk eschnou: there was some discussion about http/https, and we decided that we should not assume they are the same URL since they are not actually
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aaronpk also there's a bug with the twitter implementation where if twitter wraps your URL in their t.co, it doesn't follow the redirect and doesn't match up
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aaronpk (that's something that needs to be fixed on the indieauth side)
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eschnou aaronpk, ok, I'll switch to https on my end then.
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aaronpk as for openid, it used to support it, but I was having a lot of problems with it getting really weird errors back from openid providers inconsistently, seemed to be some issue with the omniauth openid plugin
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xtof eschnou : that was just a note sent yesterday via twitter-tools extension for wp. it does not work and the note was not POSSEd… Will try later after translations :)
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eschnou xtof, ha ! ok :-) no worries, let me know when you want to try to federate.
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xtof eschnou sure. back to blog now for a test on a simple article to be POSSEd. Will drop the link soon.
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@xtof_fr essai #fra pour tenter rejoindre une fédération #indieweb chez @eschnou http://christopheducamp.com/blog/premier-essai-pour-tenter-de-rejoindre-une-federation-indieweb-chez-eschnou-fra/
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eschnou xtof, got your pingback and it is displayed here: http://eschnou.com/home?tab=1, unfortunately it is empty, it seems I did not recover any microformat (h-atom) markup from your page. I need to implement a fallback.
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eschnou xtof, ok, the problem is on my end, I'll work on it, fix it, and will let you know when done so we can test again.
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xtof cool news :)
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xtof eschnou courage
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eschnou.com created /Storytlr (+2017) "Created page with "[http://storytlr.org Storytlr] is an open-source lifestreaming platform. It automaticaly syndicates content from many social services (twitter, youtube, flickr, etc.) and support..."" (view diff)
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eschnou I'm off for today, good day/ good night all!
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Loqi night
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aaronpk tommorris: i see you're also contributing to http://tracker.archiveteam.org/upcoming/ !
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tommorris aaronpk: yup.
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tommorris or rather, my laptop is. ;)
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aaronpk just saw andy baio's post!
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aaronpk i think we're neck in neck
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caseorganic this is awesome
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caseorganic tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 5 karma
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caseorganic aaronpk++
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Loqi dude
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caseorganic Loqi: Y U NO TAKE MY ++'s
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tantek just setup archiveteam-warrior myself and launched it on a spare laptop
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tantek going to leave it running at home
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