#indiewebcamp 2013-06-01

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@m242_stellar RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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Loqi [mention] http://benwerd.com/2013/05/31/werd-io-and-idno/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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aaronpk figured out a really weird Vine hack
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aaronpk if you first sign up with your real twitter account, then log out, then log in with a different twitter account, the videos are all still posted to your original vine account even though they get tweeted from the new account
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tantek.com edited /wiki/ (+233) "live indiewebcamp.com/irc/today redirect to most recent logs" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - that's funny - I thought I mentioned that when I was setting up @t_silos
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aaronpk oh maybe you did and I didn't understand
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tantek I just had to attach an email address to the account first, and then it let me disconnect the twitter account and connect a new twitter account
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aaronpk yes, but now when you post vine videos which vine account do they go to?
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tantek to @t_silos of course :)
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tantek see: https://twitter.com/t_silos
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aaronpk yea see...
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tantek gives me a URL and everything :)
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aaronpk this ended up on my @aaronpk vine account https://vine.co/v/bYEVmlYwjjP but was posted to @pkbot https://twitter.com/pkbot/status/340634911826378752
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@pkbot SmartThings fridge sensor https://t.co/hDwDlvPtlQ
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aaronpk i'm even following all the same people in the vine app from when I was logged in as @aaronpk
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tantek yeah - your vine identity is *created* when you sign-in the first time. It's not like it's tied to a twitter identity
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aaronpk that's weird tho, right?
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tantek it makes you pick a vine-specific username
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aaronpk cause I logged out of the app, and logged back in as @pkbot
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tantek no that's fairly normal for a lot of services
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tantek the exception is when they actually re-use your twitter live
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aaronpk why would logging in as @pkbot make me logged in as @aaronpk. I specifically logged out.
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tantek I signed up for vine with @t but couldn't get @t on vine so I got @tantek there
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tantek the two names are different
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tantek different collections
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tantek changing one doesn't change the other
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aaronpk go look at your vine, do you see my latest video?
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aaronpk (the one linked above)
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tantek yes I see it
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tantek they just copy on create
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aaronpk see that doesn't make sense
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tantek when you first sign-in
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tantek why?
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aaronpk I logged out of vine, quit the app, opened the app and got the "sign in" screen, then clicked "sign in with twitter" and clicked "@pkbot"
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tantek oh that's interesting - you didn't set an email?
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aaronpk I must be missing something
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tantek I tried to remove the twitter connection from my profile while I was logged in and it wouldn't let me - said I had to add an email
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tantek so I did
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tantek sounds like you followed a different flow
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aaronpk aha! or maybe I did that and I forgot
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aaronpk I do remember being very distracted last time I tried this
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tantek LOL!
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tantek just added an easy wiki request (I think)
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aaronpk ah the /today redirect?
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aaronpk *whew* ok done
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tantek that was fast!
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aaronpk it was in fact easy
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tantek I figured :)
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aaronpk <?php header('Location: /irc/' . date('Y-m-d'));
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bret Man it sounds like twitter is causing all kinds of confusion lately
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tantek is it?
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tantek or just the indieauth problem?
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aaronpk well and confusing the crap out of me with vine
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tantek hehehe
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tantek that's just vine confusing the crap out of you
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tantek in how they use Twitter sign-in
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sandeepshetty (y) for /irc/today and next/prev nav
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aaronpk /today is done
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aaronpk working on next/prev!
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aaronpk oh wait that's done too
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aaronpk :)
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sandeepshetty Which is why I did a thumbs up... cause I just just them :)
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi giggles
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aaronpk it looked like ( y ) to me
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aaronpk score! now it highlights the selected line
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sandeepshetty I'm used to that being a thumbs up... what does it mean to you?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-05-31#t1370057661
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sandeepshetty ah...
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sandeepshetty oo... the highlighting is nice!
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tantek yes - very nice
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aaronpk been wanting that for a while :)
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sandeepshetty The /today is great for me to quickly get to the logs on my phone
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sandeepshetty Did you guys get a chance to see the RecentChanges stuff I posted earlier?
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki/ (+22) "added /irc/today redirect" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty https://github.com/converspace/recentchanges
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sandeepshetty Once I'm done implementing webmention (this weekend) I'm going to take a stab at it....
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bret would it be hard to make the irc logs more mobile friendly?
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sandeepshetty It's pretty usable on the mobile for me. What specifically did you want?
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tantek bret - screenshot?
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bret mobile safari makes the fonts teeny tiny
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bret maybe through media querys? im not a huge css expert
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sandeepshetty Chrome on Android scales the text so it's actually better than its on the desktop for me :)
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bret https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlcqqd6dcrpc4fc/2013-05-31%2020.45.25.png
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sandeepshetty Ouch!
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bret you can still read it, if you squint
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bret :p
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sandeepshetty Not using chrome for ios? I'm so just the little things (like swiping to move between tabs) that I can't use anything else.
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bret chrome on ios is slow
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bret since its just a wrapper for a slowed down version of mobile safari
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bret silly apple
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sandeepshetty except Firefox which has plugins... I specifically use the view source plugin
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sandeepshetty hmm...
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aaronpk heh... I can't add a bookmark on mobile safari to indiewebcamp.com/irc/today because it redirects...
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aaronpk sandeepshetty: bret: k it's a little better on mobile now
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sandeepshetty Yep. The nav header scales properly now
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aaronpk i don't have an android to test on, but i'm using a media query so it should be roughly the same
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aaronpk now i'm trying a trick that will let me add this to my home screen
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bret awsome aaronpk! Thats basically perfect
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bret actualy can you enable zoom? Going horizontal zooms in to far
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk done
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aaronpk now you will get a nice surprise if you bookmark it to your home screen
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aaronparecki.com edited /IRC (+253) "/* Logs */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /IRC (+2) "/* Logs on Your iPhone Home Screen */" (view diff)
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bret ill check it out, sorry I was busy playing http://chrome.com/campaigns/rollit
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bret aaronpk, is there a way to bookmark the most recent log?
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bret oh derp right there
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bret nm
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bret https://www.dropbox.com/s/a273mjjw43136en/2013-05-31%2023.40.03.png https://www.dropbox.com/s/nqhrmfkstbg5017/2013-05-31%2023.38.29.png awsome
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bret tantek there are you screenshots now
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tantek bret - the screenshot seems fine - font size seems very readable
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bret that was after the update ;)
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tantek oh ok cool :)
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bret [20:47] <bret> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlcqqd6dcrpc4fc/2013-05-31%2020.45.25.png old one
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tantek yeah I remember - I would tilt my iPod into landscape to get a more readable view
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sandeepshetty is experimenting with staying connected on his mobile. If nothing else it will be a log of how flaky mobile connections are.
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erikmaarten hello! I just got a domain and set up IndieAuth (or web sign-in?). Authenticating with Github works fine, but it it doesn't work with Twitter (compared to Tantek's Twitter page to make sure my rel me link was the same format). Any suggestions for a newbie?
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erikmaarten (This is my Twitter profile: twitter.com/find_erik)
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sandeepshetty erikmaarten: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Twitter_t.co
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: thanks!
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sandeepshetty erikmaarten: is this your first time here?
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: yes, I have only been reading passively about indieweb so far
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sandeepshetty add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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sandeepshetty !tell barnabywalters looking forward to implementing webmention so I can :like: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1482/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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erikmaarten.com edited /IRC_People (+55) "added myself (erikmaarten)" (view diff)
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: right, done! Interesting bot here, by the way!
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sandeepshetty yeah :) think that aaronpk work: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Bots_on_IRC
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erikmaarten.com edited /IRC_People (-6) "removed redundant DST for myself" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty http://erikmaarten.com/ is not reachable?
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erikmaarten strange, it's reachable for me
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erikmaarten but I just registered the domain a few hours ago, so that's probably the reason
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pdurbin ah, Loqi uses POE::Component::IRC (just like a bot I run) according to http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/02/12/1/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot
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Loqi who, me?
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sandeepshetty yep I just read that for the first time today as well :)
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sandeepshetty erikmaarten: ah.. ASO + tucows..
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sandeepshetty How is ASO these days? I used to host there when they were a small shop and had awesome support....
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: haha, you got me thinking for a while there -- ASO as in A Small Orange? It's my first time trying them out, just got it set up today so I can't really say and don't have much to compare to. I'm kind of planning to change to something else later on, so I simply went with a cheap option.
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pdurbin aaronpk: does Loqi log any other channels?
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sandeepshetty erikmaarten: I have a habit of prefixing domains with whois.sc/ and checking the registrar and nameservers :) whois.sc/erikmaarten.com
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: aha :)
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: reminds me, think they tried to sell me some kind of whois lookup protection when signing up, but I figured that's not really needed. Right? :)
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sandeepshetty haha I was just about !tell tantek about privacy concerns when you get your own domain cause you are forced to give out a lot of info that is public by defualt
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sandeepshetty I used to work at a registrar that gives out whois protection for free... almost everyone else charges for it.
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sandeepshetty erikmaarten: Why don't you add to wiki about this?
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sandeepshetty Now that you have IndieAuth working ;)
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sandeepshetty This might be a good place to put it I'm guessing http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started#Personal_Domain
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erikmaarten yes, I remembered that from a long time ago when I had a domain. If I was less obscure I would be more concerned, though at the moment I'm just thinking that maybe I shouldn't have posted my email address there.
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sandeepshetty The image address there is an image... but not much protection with basic ocr.
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sandeepshetty s/address/
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Loqi sandeepshetty meant to say: The image  there is an image... but not much protection with basic ocr.
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erikmaarten Perhaps people should simply type in fake addresses when signing up?
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sandeepshetty so there are rules that allow a registrar to cancel the registration if you put in fake whois
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erikmaarten I was suspecting that
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erikmaarten But what about using whois protection then? I'm not sure how that works, but isn't the end result that the true whois information can't be read by the public?
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sandeepshetty Yep but the registrar has it and most providers have provisions for disabling whois protection if they receive complaints
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sandeepshetty plus the whois protection doesn't add a fake email.. its reachable
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sandeepshetty most of them setup email forwards to the original email address
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erikmaarten.com edited /Getting_Started (+537) "/* Personal Domain */ added note on domain privacy" (view diff)
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erikmaarten Grateful for input on the wiki change! Frankly, I'm far from an expert on domains ...
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sandeep.shetty.in edited /Getting_Started (+420) "/* Personal Domain */" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty oh it looks like both of took a stab at it..
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sandeepshetty i'll just undo mine..
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sandeepshetty :)
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sandeep.shetty.in edited /Getting_Started (-420) "/* Personal Domain */" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty erikmaarten: good job with mentioning the bit about disputes!
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: sorry, I didn't say whether I would or wouldn't attempt any change. Oh well, better both of us than none of us :)
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: thanks
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erikmaarten.com edited /IRC_People (+0) "put my entry in the sort order" (view diff)
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erikmaarten.com created /User:Erikmaarten.com (+117) "added info to my user page" (view diff)
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aaronpk bret: I take it you figured out how to bookmark the log?
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pdurbin_m aaronpk: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today works AND there is now previous and next navigation! thanks!!
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aaronpk :) yay!
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Loqi giggles
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aaronpk if you're on an iphone, also see my short instructions for how to add it to your home scren! http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Logs_on_Your_iPhone_Home_Screen
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@46pikegmc RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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pdurbin_m aaronpk: does your bot log other channels?
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aaronpk pdurbin_m: yep a bunch
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pdurbin_m aaronpk: have a list?
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aaronpk just at the bottom of the loqi page you found
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/02/12/1/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot
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aaronpk the others are all private channels
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aaronpk i need to make an updated version of that post soon too, since i'm going to be switching the guts out of loqi in the near future
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pdurbin_m aaronpk: it would be nice if the /topic of those channels had a link to the IRC log
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aaronpk actually I don't think I'm publishing the logs of the other channels
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aaronpk microformats already has logs published
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aaronpk pdxtech doesn't want the logs public
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aaronpk geoloqi logs are here https://community.geoloqi.com/irc/ (set in the topic)
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pdurbin_m oh
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aaronpk is digging around old databases right now. just discovered that I have a couple mysql tables that have managed to stick around since 2004!
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aaronpk 2003 actually
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aaronpk guess i've been paying DB tax for 10 years
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pdurbin_m you're a survivor
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tantek aaronpk - impressive!
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aaronpk I was also tweeting way before twitter :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/8912857479/
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aaronpk on my own domain no less!
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tantek aaronpk: This photo is private.
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aaronpk crap
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aaronpk they added an extra click to make it public and now it's way below the fold
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Loqi lolz
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aaronpk fixed
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tantek yeah all the UI got pushed down
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tantek aaronpk - where are the permalinks?
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aaronpk i'm restoring the web view
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aaronpk there were no permalinks though, it was just the feed
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tantek don't feeds require permalinks though?
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aaronpk they do now :)
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tantek aaronpk - was just surprised that your database schema didn't include the permalink (or some ID equivalent that algorithmically got turned into a permalink)
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tantek I see permalinks as part of the content, not as just a "view"
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tantek at least as far as anything webby is concerned
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tantek and without permalinks, it's not really webby
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aaronpk I do now as well, however that didn't occur to me at the time
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aaronpk there we go, this is what it looked like http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/8913778819/
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@matro RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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@awoods RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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bret aaronpk: what irssi plugin are you using to get a user list on the right?
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Loqi barnabywalters: sandeepshetty left you a message 8 hours, 47 minutes ago: looking forward to implementing webmention so I can :like: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1482/
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aaronpk bret: it's actually weechat, not irssi
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bret ahh i see
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bret will much be happening at IWC by 6:45 on the 22nd?
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aaronpk likely some sort of evening thing, not at the main venue
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aaronpk that's the end of the first day
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bret great :) just checking for conflics with my schedule