#indiewebcamp 2013-06-01

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@m242_stellar
RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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aaronpk
figured out a really weird Vine hack
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aaronpk
if you first sign up with your real twitter account, then log out, then log in with a different twitter account, the videos are all still posted to your original vine account even though they get tweeted from the new account
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tantek.com
edited /wiki/ (+233) "live indiewebcamp.com/irc/today redirect to most recent logs"
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tantek
aaronpk - that's funny - I thought I mentioned that when I was setting up @t_silos
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aaronpk
oh maybe you did and I didn't understand
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tantek
I just had to attach an email address to the account first, and then it let me disconnect the twitter account and connect a new twitter account
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aaronpk
yes, but now when you post vine videos which vine account do they go to?
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tantek
to @t_silos of course :)
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aaronpk
yea see...
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tantek
gives me a URL and everything :)
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@pkbot
SmartThings fridge sensor https://t.co/hDwDlvPtlQ
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aaronpk
i'm even following all the same people in the vine app from when I was logged in as @aaronpk
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tantek
yeah - your vine identity is *created* when you sign-in the first time. It's not like it's tied to a twitter identity
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aaronpk
that's weird tho, right?
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tantek
it makes you pick a vine-specific username
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aaronpk
cause I logged out of the app, and logged back in as @pkbot
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tantek
no that's fairly normal for a lot of services
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tantek
the exception is when they actually re-use your twitter live
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aaronpk
why would logging in as @pkbot make me logged in as @aaronpk. I specifically logged out.
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tantek
I signed up for vine with @t but couldn't get @t on vine so I got @tantek there
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tantek
the two names are different
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tantek
different collections
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tantek
changing one doesn't change the other
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aaronpk
go look at your vine, do you see my latest video?
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aaronpk
(the one linked above)
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tantek
yes I see it
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tantek
they just copy on create
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aaronpk
see that doesn't make sense
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tantek
when you first sign-in
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aaronpk
I logged out of vine, quit the app, opened the app and got the "sign in" screen, then clicked "sign in with twitter" and clicked "@pkbot"
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tantek
oh that's interesting - you didn't set an email?
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aaronpk
I must be missing something
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tantek
I tried to remove the twitter connection from my profile while I was logged in and it wouldn't let me - said I had to add an email
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tantek
so I did
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tantek
sounds like you followed a different flow
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aaronpk
aha! or maybe I did that and I forgot
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aaronpk
I do remember being very distracted last time I tried this
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tantek
just added an easy wiki request (I think)
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aaronpk
ah the /today redirect?
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aaronpk
*whew* ok done
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tantek
that was fast!
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aaronpk
it was in fact easy
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tantek
I figured :)
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aaronpk
<?php header('Location: /irc/' . date('Y-m-d'));
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bret
Man it sounds like twitter is causing all kinds of confusion lately
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tantek
is it?
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tantek
or just the indieauth problem?
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aaronpk
well and confusing the crap out of me with vine
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tantek
hehehe
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tantek
that's just vine confusing the crap out of you
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tantek
in how they use Twitter sign-in
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sandeepshetty
(y) for /irc/today and next/prev nav
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aaronpk
working on next/prev!
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aaronpk
oh wait that's done too
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sandeepshetty
Which is why I did a thumbs up... cause I just just them :)
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Loqi
giggles
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aaronpk
it looked like ( y ) to me
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aaronpk
score! now it highlights the selected line
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sandeepshetty
I'm used to that being a thumbs up... what does it mean to you?
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sandeepshetty
oo... the highlighting is nice!
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tantek
yes - very nice
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aaronpk
been wanting that for a while :)
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sandeepshetty
The /today is great for me to quickly get to the logs on my phone
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sandeepshetty
Did you guys get a chance to see the RecentChanges stuff I posted earlier?
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aaronparecki.com
edited /wiki/ (+22) "added /irc/today redirect"
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sandeepshetty
Once I'm done implementing webmention (this weekend) I'm going to take a stab at it....
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bret
would it be hard to make the irc logs more mobile friendly?
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sandeepshetty
It's pretty usable on the mobile for me. What specifically did you want?
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tantek
bret - screenshot?
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bret
mobile safari makes the fonts teeny tiny
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bret
maybe through media querys? im not a huge css expert
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sandeepshetty
Chrome on Android scales the text so it's actually better than its on the desktop for me :)
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bret
you can still read it, if you squint
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sandeepshetty
Not using chrome for ios? I'm so just the little things (like swiping to move between tabs) that I can't use anything else.
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bret
chrome on ios is slow
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bret
since its just a wrapper for a slowed down version of mobile safari
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bret
silly apple
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sandeepshetty
except Firefox which has plugins... I specifically use the view source plugin
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aaronpk
heh... I can't add a bookmark on mobile safari to indiewebcamp.com/irc/today because it redirects...
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: bret: k it's a little better on mobile now
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sandeepshetty
Yep. The nav header scales properly now
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aaronpk
i don't have an android to test on, but i'm using a media query so it should be roughly the same
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aaronpk
now i'm trying a trick that will let me add this to my home screen
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bret
awsome aaronpk! Thats basically perfect
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bret
actualy can you enable zoom? Going horizontal zooms in to far
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aaronpk
now you will get a nice surprise if you bookmark it to your home screen
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aaronparecki.com
edited /IRC (+253) "/* Logs */"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /IRC (+2) "/* Logs on Your iPhone Home Screen */"
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bret
ill check it out, sorry I was busy playing http://chrome.com/campaigns/rollit
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bret
aaronpk, is there a way to bookmark the most recent log?
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bret
oh derp right there
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bret
tantek there are you screenshots now
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tantek
bret - the screenshot seems fine - font size seems very readable
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bret
that was after the update ;)
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tantek
oh ok cool :)
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tantek
yeah I remember - I would tilt my iPod into landscape to get a more readable view
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sandeepshetty
is experimenting with staying connected on his mobile. If nothing else it will be a log of how flaky mobile connections are.
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erikmaarten
hello! I just got a domain and set up IndieAuth (or web sign-in?). Authenticating with Github works fine, but it it doesn't work with Twitter (compared to Tantek's Twitter page to make sure my rel me link was the same format). Any suggestions for a newbie?
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erikmaarten
(This is my Twitter profile: twitter.com/find_erik)
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: thanks!
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sandeepshetty
erikmaarten: is this your first time here?
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: yes, I have only been reading passively about indieweb so far
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sandeepshetty
!tell barnabywalters looking forward to implementing webmention so I can :like: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1482/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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erikmaarten.com
edited /IRC_People (+55) "added myself (erikmaarten)"
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: right, done! Interesting bot here, by the way!
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erikmaarten.com
edited /IRC_People (-6) "removed redundant DST for myself"
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erikmaarten
strange, it's reachable for me
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erikmaarten
but I just registered the domain a few hours ago, so that's probably the reason
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pdurbin
ah, Loqi uses POE::Component::IRC (just like a bot I run) according to http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/02/12/1/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot
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Loqi
who, me?
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sandeepshetty
yep I just read that for the first time today as well :)
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sandeepshetty
erikmaarten: ah.. ASO + tucows..
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sandeepshetty
How is ASO these days? I used to host there when they were a small shop and had awesome support....
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: haha, you got me thinking for a while there -- ASO as in A Small Orange? It's my first time trying them out, just got it set up today so I can't really say and don't have much to compare to. I'm kind of planning to change to something else later on, so I simply went with a cheap option.
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pdurbin
aaronpk: does Loqi log any other channels?
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sandeepshetty
erikmaarten: I have a habit of prefixing domains with whois.sc/ and checking the registrar and nameservers :) whois.sc/erikmaarten.com
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: aha :)
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: reminds me, think they tried to sell me some kind of whois lookup protection when signing up, but I figured that's not really needed. Right? :)
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sandeepshetty
haha I was just about !tell tantek about privacy concerns when you get your own domain cause you are forced to give out a lot of info that is public by defualt
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sandeepshetty
I used to work at a registrar that gives out whois protection for free... almost everyone else charges for it.
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sandeepshetty
erikmaarten: Why don't you add to wiki about this?
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sandeepshetty
Now that you have IndieAuth working ;)
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sandeepshetty
This might be a good place to put it I'm guessing http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started#Personal_Domain
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erikmaarten
yes, I remembered that from a long time ago when I had a domain. If I was less obscure I would be more concerned, though at the moment I'm just thinking that maybe I shouldn't have posted my email address there.
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sandeepshetty
The image address there is an image... but not much protection with basic ocr.
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sandeepshetty
s/address/
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: The image  there is an image... but not much protection with basic ocr.
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erikmaarten
Perhaps people should simply type in fake addresses when signing up?
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sandeepshetty
so there are rules that allow a registrar to cancel the registration if you put in fake whois
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erikmaarten
I was suspecting that
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erikmaarten
But what about using whois protection then? I'm not sure how that works, but isn't the end result that the true whois information can't be read by the public?
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sandeepshetty
Yep but the registrar has it and most providers have provisions for disabling whois protection if they receive complaints
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sandeepshetty
plus the whois protection doesn't add a fake email.. its reachable
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sandeepshetty
most of them setup email forwards to the original email address
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erikmaarten.com
edited /Getting_Started (+537) "/* Personal Domain */ added note on domain privacy"
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erikmaarten
Grateful for input on the wiki change! Frankly, I'm far from an expert on domains ...
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sandeep.shetty.in
edited /Getting_Started (+420) "/* Personal Domain */"
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sandeepshetty
oh it looks like both of took a stab at it..
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sandeepshetty
i'll just undo mine..
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sandeep.shetty.in
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sandeepshetty
erikmaarten: good job with mentioning the bit about disputes!
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: sorry, I didn't say whether I would or wouldn't attempt any change. Oh well, better both of us than none of us :)
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: thanks
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erikmaarten.com
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erikmaarten.com
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aaronpk
bret: I take it you figured out how to bookmark the log?
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pdurbin_m
aaronpk: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today works AND there is now previous and next navigation! thanks!!
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aaronpk
:) yay!
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Loqi
giggles
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aaronpk
if you're on an iphone, also see my short instructions for how to add it to your home scren! http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Logs_on_Your_iPhone_Home_Screen
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@46pikegmc
RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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pdurbin_m
aaronpk: does your bot log other channels?
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aaronpk
pdurbin_m: yep a bunch
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pdurbin_m
aaronpk: have a list?
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aaronpk
just at the bottom of the loqi page you found
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aaronpk
the others are all private channels
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aaronpk
i need to make an updated version of that post soon too, since i'm going to be switching the guts out of loqi in the near future
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pdurbin_m
aaronpk: it would be nice if the /topic of those channels had a link to the IRC log
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aaronpk
actually I don't think I'm publishing the logs of the other channels
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aaronpk
microformats already has logs published
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aaronpk
pdxtech doesn't want the logs public
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aaronpk
geoloqi logs are here https://community.geoloqi.com/irc/ (set in the topic)
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pdurbin_m
oh
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aaronpk
is digging around old databases right now. just discovered that I have a couple mysql tables that have managed to stick around since 2004!
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aaronpk
2003 actually
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aaronpk
guess i've been paying DB tax for 10 years
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pdurbin_m
you're a survivor
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tantek
aaronpk - impressive!
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aaronpk
I was also tweeting way before twitter :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/8912857479/
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aaronpk
on my own domain no less!
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tantek
aaronpk: This photo is private.
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aaronpk
they added an extra click to make it public and now it's way below the fold
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Loqi
lolz
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tantek
yeah all the UI got pushed down
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tantek
aaronpk - where are the permalinks?
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aaronpk
i'm restoring the web view
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aaronpk
there were no permalinks though, it was just the feed
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tantek
don't feeds require permalinks though?
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aaronpk
they do now :)
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tantek
aaronpk - was just surprised that your database schema didn't include the permalink (or some ID equivalent that algorithmically got turned into a permalink)
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tantek
I see permalinks as part of the content, not as just a "view"
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tantek
at least as far as anything webby is concerned
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tantek
and without permalinks, it's not really webby
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aaronpk
I do now as well, however that didn't occur to me at the time
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aaronpk
there we go, this is what it looked like http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/8913778819/
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@matro
RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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@awoods
RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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bret
aaronpk: what irssi plugin are you using to get a user list on the right?
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Loqi
barnabywalters: sandeepshetty left you a message 8 hours, 47 minutes ago: looking forward to implementing webmention so I can :like: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1482/
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aaronpk
bret: it's actually weechat, not irssi
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bret
ahh i see
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bret
will much be happening at IWC by 6:45 on the 22nd?
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aaronpk
likely some sort of evening thing, not at the main venue
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aaronpk
that's the end of the first day
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bret
great :) just checking for conflics with my schedule