#indiewebcamp 2013-06-04

2013-06-04 UTC
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JonathanNeal what's the t.co redirect problem?
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tantek posted above
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tantek here you go: http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth#Twitter_t.co
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tantek and how have I not known about viewsource.in?!?
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tantek that's awesome JonathanNeal - thanks for the heads up!
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JonathanNeal Yea, I would love to improve the design, but yea, it's cool.
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tantek and you just found a bug in a cassis function
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tantek web_address_to_uri in particular
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tantek aside: whoa - new in-stream reply-contexts on Twitter home page!
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tantek you guys seeing this?
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JonathanNeal screenshot?
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tantek.com uploaded /File:twitter-home-in-stream-reply-context.png "screenshot of Twitter home page stream fragment showing two retweets sandwiching an @-reply tweet that by default shows a reply-context of the person being replied to with smaller icon, and original text being replied to, same font."
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tantek JonathanNeal http://indiewebcamp.com/File:twitter-home-in-stream-reply-context.png
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tantek.com edited /reply-context (+311) "clarification, likely from Twitter, Silo Stream Examples, Twitter example" (view diff)
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tantek with text http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Twitter_home_page
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tantek.com edited /File:twitter-home-in-stream-reply-context.png (+56) "slightly smaller font for the original tweet" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, barnabywalters - check this out! http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Twitter_home_page
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tantek JonathanNeal http://viewsource.in/tantek.com#L183 fixed :D
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tantek thanks for catching that
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JonathanNeal tantek: that looks really good
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JonathanNeal both the inline comments and the code
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JonathanNeal It got pushed in so seamlessly, that I didn't notice.
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tantek which?
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tantek the reply-context on Twitter.com?
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tantek JonathanNeal - did you get pinged by https://twitter.com/cassisjs/status/341711171621109760 ?
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@cassisjs [cassis] https://t.co/j3cPC3cTTR Tantek Çelik - Twitter profile URLs are canonically https. ht: @jon_neal
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JonathanNeal I did.
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tantek (just curious if that actually works - I put your Twitter handle in the commit comments and it got automatically tweeted)
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tantek cool
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tantek that'll fix that bug for everyone who's using the cassis.js auto_link function
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JonathanNeal That's awesome.
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tantek thanks again for the find
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JonathanNeal Advice question, should view-source.in and viewsource.in both work on their respective domains, or should one redirect to the other?
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JonathanNeal Well then.
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tantek Wow the logs' font size is now way too big on iOS safari :(
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tantek Suggestion: make the logs mobile font size the same as iOS Colloquy
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tantek cc: aaronpk
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tantek It's particularly a pain because of having to scroll more to get to the bottom :/
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pdurbin an anchor called #bottom might help
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@benwerd #indieweb checkins
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Loqi trying to decide the best approach http://werd.io/entry/51ad453cbed7decc4c1f64c1/indieweb-checkins-trying-to-decide-the-best-approach
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bret i like the big irc chat font
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bret :(
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bret a bottom anchor in the titlebar would be usefull though
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bret although tbh, iOS safari should have scaled scrolling when browsing long pages, like it does for the address book or music list
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pdurbin the big font looks great on android
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bret I think it looks pretty good on iOS too!
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pdurbin oh. :)
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bret going horizontal screws up, but verticle looks good too!
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bret errr verticle looks good, horizontal bad
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bret https://www.dropbox.com/sc/j5ps7rck1c7tb7f/L59KoYQW6g
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bret thats the good picture
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bret bad one https://www.dropbox.com/sc/e0vjixem2oethhj/Ev_IUYVEiM
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JonathanNeal hello
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pdurbin JonathanNeal: awesome that https://github.com/jonathantneal/viewsource is open source :)
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JonathanNeal thanks, how did you find the repo, btw?
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pdurbin with my brain
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bret that view source thing great!
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JonathanNeal thanks, pdurbin, i was wondering if you found it by view sourcing view source.
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JonathanNeal aka http://viewsource.in/viewsource.in
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JonathanNeal I just upgraded it so that you can use view-source too, that way turning Chrome view source URLs into web urls is easy.
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JonathanNeal And if you press r twice, it will render the source code http://viewsource.in/indiewebcamp.com
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bret whoa trippy
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bret does anyone know of a good resource introducing dom manipulation using javascript?
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cweiske with pure js as the browers offer it, or with help?
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bret pure js
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michielbdejong bret: mdn is a good starting point, always (mozilla developer network)
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cweiske most people use the jQuery library today, because it's so much easier than pure js
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michielbdejong https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/DOM_Reference
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michielbdejong oh right, yeah, that's probably a better suggestion :)
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bret i didnt see that page, I was jumping between things that sounded like they might be useful
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cweiske I also prefer MDN for js docs
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bret in the wiki, but when I do that it seems like i might overlooking some of my tools
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michielbdejong bret: jQuery is probably easier
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bret i wanted to avoid jquery, seems kind of overkill for the things I am doing
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michielbdejong ok
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bret i have it on my site already, but long term I wanted to get it out of there
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bret so much I could do, so little time
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michielbdejong if you have a specific question about how to do something, i could also try to help, just ask me :)
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bret ok, ill keep that in mind
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bret so far I'm not totally stuck, but if you are interested in giving feedback once I get something going that would be awsome
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bret the wiki is a good reference, but this video so far has been decent
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bret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLgvHcgNoEU
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cweiske i can't understand why people prefer videos for documentation
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bret its for an introduction
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bret watching someone do something else the first time is helpfull for me
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erikmaarten good evening/morning!
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erikmaarten question about IndieAuth -- do I have to use an http GET request to verify the token?
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erikmaarten and second, for how long is each token valid?
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tommorris not sure about the first question. but on the second one, quite a while
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tommorris isn't an indieauth expert, that's aaronpk's domain. ;)
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erikmaarten just thinking, doesn't that make it rather easy for an Eve to eavesdrop on the plaintext token that is sent?
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erikmaarten especially if I were to use an open wifi network
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erikmaarten s/use/use it/
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Loqi erikmaarten meant to say: especially if I were to use it an open wifi network
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erikmaarten (failure again, haha)
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Loqi nice
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erikmaarten no Loqi, that's the opposite to nice
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Loqi woot!
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erikmaarten about the token, I guess it doesn't matter much if anyone else gets hold of it, since my site only verifies logins through the IndieAuth server...
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sandeepshetty eschnou: tried sending a webmention to http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html... could you tell me if you received it?
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sandeepshetty eschnou: Doesn't look like you have a webmention rel?
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@xtof_fr #QSParis6 aidons @BenHasnae á créer son tableau de bord personnel #indieweb
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eschnou sandeepshetty, no indeed, only supporting pingback for now.
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sandeepshetty !tell barnabywalters tried sending a webmention but received a 'Not Acceptable'... not sure why..
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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sandeepshetty *sigh* :(
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: Got a 200 OK on your webmention endpoint but there were some errors: https://gist.github.com/sandeepshetty/344026200d777508009f (don't know where to check the result on your website?)
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sandeepshetty Ok time to get a life :D Will be back in a couple of hrs...
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@ralphmercer Our online data should be part of our personal intellectual property #ownyourdata
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aaronpk !tell sandeepshetty whoa thanks for the crazy bug report! looks like some file permission error on my site. I don't think anybody has sent a webmention to an article yet. Try sending to one of my notes or replies and it should pull in your comment on the note's page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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JonathanNeal hello
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Loqi sandeepshetty: aaronpk left you a message 20 minutes ago: whoa thanks for the crazy bug report! looks like some file permission error on my site. I don't think anybody has sent a webmention to an article yet. Try sending to one of my notes or replies and it should pull in your comment on the note's page
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aaronpk good morning
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sandeepshetty webmention #win http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/05/21/1/xkcd
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: GM :)
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aaronpk yay!!
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sandeepshetty gtg... just wanted to test this out... will be back in a couple of hrs :)
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tommorris sandeepshetty, aaronpk: a few years ago, "privacy" was that. basically every discussion around OpenID and microformats, FOAF, DiSo eventually ended up with someone saying "yeah, but privacy is REALLY REALLY REALLY hard"
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sandeepshetty and should be implementing receiving webmentions when I'm back...
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tommorris as if people weren't aware of that.
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marjolein is away: taking a break, in the sun
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aaronpk JonathanNeal: viewsouce.in is awesome!
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JonathanNeal thanks, aaronpk. I am always looking to improve it. The home page could use a huge scoop of design / skeuminimalism.
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JonathanNeal As it stands, it is bare, and yet messy.
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JonathanNeal So, if you're a designer, and you like the project, please contribute :)
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tantek one less click to see the logs :)
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tommorris handy
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tantek now that I've done that let's what y'all were up to last night
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tantek benwerd is tearing it up with his indieweb steps forward
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JonathanNeal hi tantek
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tantek and all caught up. hey JonathanNeal
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JonathanNeal hey
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JonathanNeal i'll be in and out for a little bit while i review our new house with the landlord.
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JonathanNeal they are pull up the carpet right now because the last tenants got pee all over it.
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tantek oh dear - good luck!
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tantek I just popped in to see if any of you folks implementing reply contexts saw this what you thought: http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Twitter_home_page (cc: aaronpk, barnabywalters)
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tantek e.g. does that make you consider putting your replies in your stream of notes?
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tantek bbiab
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aaronpk I like it
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aaronpk i was actually considering doing that
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tantek the little vertical gray line is a bit curious
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tantek I think I prefer the "indent/blockquote the original" approach
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aaronpk yea, the gray line feels like it's adding some meaning that isn't there
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aaronpk the other one I want to add is showing my own reply on the notes in my tag list: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8543/8950161156_5bfc0b8e9f_o.png
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tantek I kinda feel like, if you have to add grey lines, maybe your layout isn't quite right
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tantek so, anyone have any issues they'd like to bring up with the W3C Advisory Board, because, http://www.w3.org/News/2013.html#entry-9856 :)
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tommorris well done, tantek
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tommorris shame that Ora Lassila is leaving - he's done a lot for semwebbish stuff
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michielbdejong tantek: cool, congrats!
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pdurbin ditto
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Garbee tantek, Awesome!
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tantek thank you michielbdejong and Garbee!
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benwerd Just catching up: congratulations Tantek! That's a really positive piece of news.
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tantek Thank you benwerd!
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tantek And congrats to you on your very rapid indieweb progress!
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benwerd Thanks!
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sandeep.io edited /plaintext (+761) "Example of loss of context when converting to plaintext that is not acceptable to me (sandeepshetty)" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty Looking for feedback on that last wiki edit....
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: might be a good idea to add a method that validates webmentions while accepting them (basically check target host against base uri)?
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sandeepshetty JonathanNeal: viewsource.in is neat! raised an issue: https://github.com/jonathantneal/viewsource/issues/3
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JonathanNeal Thank you. I don't fully understand what you want me to do, but I hope I can do it for you.
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sandeepshetty Will add more details on the issue.
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sandeepshetty JonathanNeal: Added some details to https://github.com/jonathantneal/viewsource/issues/3
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JonathanNeal Thanks.
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JonathanNeal I understand.
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JonathanNeal So maybe including the modified date of the document in the url could help.
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JonathanNeal Optionally.
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JonathanNeal That way, if it matters when the document has changed, it can alert you.
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sandeepshetty yep, but I don't understand how that could be *optional*?
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sandeepshetty JonathanNeal: oh and the viewsource.in/viewsource.in is a nice hack :)
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: I'm going to be making a couple of edits to WebMention to fix these issues: https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues?state=open
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JonathanNeal sandeepshetty: many "indie" sites that are dynamically generated forget to include modified headers.
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JonathanNeal In that event, the site would always appear to be out of sync.
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JonathanNeal So, is this a good room to discuss HTML elements?
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hober sure
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donpark.org edited /2013/Guest_List (+369) "Add Don Park" (view diff)
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donpark.org edited /2013/Guest_List (+11) "fix the photo for Don Park" (view diff)
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kyledrake.net edited /2013/Guest_List (+439) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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kyledrake.net edited /2013/Guest_List (+35) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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marjolein is away: in my hammock ZZZZZzzzzz.....
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pdurbin JonathanNeal: sure
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JonathanNeal The <meta> element's value attribute can be anything, but the meta element's name has to conform to a list.
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JonathanNeal I think we should drop the list.
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yehudakatz.com edited /commons (+144) "/* Popular Commons */" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal The names will keep changing. Last night they added twitter cards, but what about opengraph, or the next thing or the next next thing.
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JonathanNeal Just let meta tags be liberal.
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tantek.com edited /commons (+236) "/* Popular Commons */ reasons why Github is almost commons, relation to friendly/business models" (view diff)
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