#indiewebcamp 2013-06-07
2013-06-07 UTC
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@Adora All this spying nonsense goes to show how important it is to own your data: http://indiewebcamp.com/why #indieweb
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@Antijingoist RT @Adora: Don't get me wrong, you're still going to be exposed unless you go to some crazy extremes, but #indieweb is a good start.
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@xa329 RT @Adora: All this spying nonsense goes to show how important it is to own your data: http://indiewebcamp.com/why #indieweb
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# evaryont Good evening, is anyone here?
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# evaryont ah, I didn't realize there was a list (had searched a bit around indiewebcamp)
# evaryont yes, it's just members in the room. not sorted by recency or anything 'fancy' like that :-)
# evaryont weechat, by the way.
# evaryont Ah, XChat is a great client, too
# evaryont ah, anyways, I was wondering if anyone had any experience with BrowserID, particularly in implementing a provider
# evaryont yeah, I'm in Phoenix AZ, but going to school and all that, so I live in the college student's timezone :-)
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@adthierry #Skype(...) Il S'agit de l'un des accès les plus riches (...) pour la #NSA (...) bientôt #dropbox" http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2013/06/07/le-fbi-a-acces-aux-serveurs-des-geants-d-internet_3425810_3222.html#ens_id=1550858& #ownyourdata
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@eschnou It is in days like these that I'm proud and happy to be a developer and early adopter of the #indieweb. I own ... http://eschnou.com/entry/it-is-in-days-like-these-that-im-proud-and-happy-to-be-a-developer-and-ear-62-24973.html
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@nicolas2fr @tantek Help #indieweb no possible to connect my url http://www.nicolas-bermond.com/ with indieauth last week it worked thks https://twitter.com/nicolas2fr/status/343021859635355648/photo/1
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# erikmaarten No? Well, off to bed then.
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@BenHasnae RT @MyDataLabs: Sans #indiewebcamp #mydatalabs n'aurait jamais vu le jour, aussi merci de soutenir - xtof
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# sandeepshetty Just finished implementing machine tags based repost: http://indiewebcamp.com/plaintext#Machine_tags_based_repost
# sandeepshetty Would love to get some feedback.
# sandeepshetty It's live here: http://www.sandeep.io/36
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: lookin’ good
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aaronpk a little bit sad they don't show up in the mf2-parsed version http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sandeep.io%2F36
# sandeepshetty The last few posts (that were basically attempts to send webmentions) made me realize that reposting is an important enough use case that requires special handling
# sandeepshetty aaronpk: Oh... hadn't checked it against that...
# barnabywalters the child microformat works really nicely though
# sandeepshetty yeah and the e-content is good..
# barnabywalters aaronpk: surely having a mf2 representation is more useful than getting at the machine tags?
# sandeepshetty that part that's not right is the stuff that's auto-stripped
# sandeepshetty in fact that's the reason I experimented with this... I want to eventually syndicate the markdown (or whatever I use) so the machine tags will also be present..
# sandeepshetty I don't like the auto-stripping.. I would rather provide my own plain text representation of the post...
# sandeepshetty I'm very happy with the UX also.. unlike Twitter's retweet... I wanted to show clearly who is reposting (assuming this will get syndicated eventually)
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: can you add your own annotations to the post as well as the reposted body?
# sandeepshetty it's coded that way... it basically strips the machine tags and added the repost template at the end... but I'm not too happy with it yet..
# sandeepshetty still have to think about how trailing tags will fit into it and if my own comments need be before or after the repost blurb.
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: these are good problems to have :)
# barnabywalters RE before/after — I think that is often hugely dependent on context and I’m certainly going to keep the ability to choose where they go
# barnabywalters when I post quotes there’s such a wide variety of different contexts and purposes I like having that flexibility
# barnabywalters (see http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes?tagged=quote for some examples)
# sandeepshetty sorry was just pushing the code so I could point to it...
# sandeepshetty The regex to extract the machine tags was the most fun part of this :) https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/e8fce21a50943436a929c33e966773d78c178ce8/helpers.php#L66
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: I agree (re good problems to have). I haven't thought through the different types of reposting yet...
# sandeepshetty one problem with machine tags is that it's flat so you can have only one #repost:url, #repost:author, etc. Which means it you can only repost one post at a time
# barnabywalters SO MUCH BACKSLASH
# sandeepshetty haha yeah... escape hell...
# sandeepshetty basically is you want \\ in a regex you need to use \\\\ within a php string
# barnabywalters I wrote a little helper for splitting out machine tags from plaintags, not sure if it might be useful to you: https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-helpers/blob/master/BarnabyWalters/Helpers/Helpers.php#L239
# barnabywalters I’m moving away from using machine tags so much now but that’s a fairly useful little function
# sandeepshetty also there are lots of non-capturing subpatterns which are noisy in the regex but make the $matches output clean
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: The complication in mine is because I'm pulling it out of the entire post content.. it's not a separate field
# sandeepshetty and I'm allowing quotes values...
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: true, I never went that complex :)
# barnabywalters rather, I never actually typed in machine tags
# barnabywalters they were all added automatically
# sandeepshetty I won't be typing out them either (eventually).. they will be added automatically or from special interface... so for example, I want to do this reposting stuff from a bookmarklet
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: why are you moving away from using machine tags?
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: most of my usage of them (location, emoome stuff) was basically a hack to add arbitrary data to a schema-ish database
# barnabywalters now I’m just storing array structures, I can put things like location data in that
# barnabywalters and use machine tags as a staging area
# barnabywalters to test out the usefulness of new ideas before I dedicate new keys to them
# sandeepshetty ah you treat it as meta-data... I treat is as part of the content... it seems to be the only way to provide context in plaintext at the moment: http://indiewebcamp.com/plaintext
# sandeepshetty It's not meant to be displayed... but syndicated for sure...
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: yeah, that’s an approach certainly worth exploring!
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@shawndrape @gojeffcho @Jak03_ That's the crux of the #indieweb movement. Host/own your own data/identity/graph at your own hostname/server.
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@dietrich @maxogden kinda sounds like @indiewebcamp + @unhosted
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# barnabywalters is writing scripts to import my old Diaspora content into my own site
# barnabywalters I had completely forgotten, but it looks like my eighth post was a proposal for microformat based link previews: https://getsatisfaction.com/diaspora/topics/micro_format_support_falling_back_to_open_graph
# barnabywalters note complete cluelessness about “micro formats” and “Hcard“ and not knowing what “semantic” actually meant