#indiewebcamp 2013-07-04

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hober well, you mark (with #) several emails, which may be from different threads/etc., and then you just use the ordinary reply or followup command
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hober it formats the in-reply-to and references headers to correctly refer to all of the emails you're replying to
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pdurbin hober: that sounds really handy
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sandeepshetty hober: in what context do you end up using it (eg. cross posing) and how often?
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pdurbin I could see setting it up and only using it occasionally for this purpose. it's like having a sand wedge. :)
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pdurbin good for getting you out of tricky spots
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tantek.com edited /comment-propagation (+76) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek sandeepshetty - re: lost art of threading - I think the problems the author refers to bely the larger problem of email/discussion vs. capturing current state and iterating on current state.
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tantek that is, it's not that threading is a lost art, it's that threading is both too hard in email, and frankly itself gets you into confusing contexts very quickly, especially for anyone trying to go back to a thread and read it as a series of deltas.
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tantek as soon as you feel a need for such deep threading, I think that's an indicator that you should be capturing current state on a wiki, rather than trying to improve email/forums. per: http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-better-than-email
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pdurbin I'll check it out but I'm not a huge believer in wikis, though I do like Wikipedia
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aaronpk i like how twitter doesn't do any threading whatsoever
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tantek pdurbin - wikis are easier to search/discover than email threads. doesn't matter if you're not a big believer in wikis in any absolute sense, email lists/threads/groups are less believable :)
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tantek aaronpk - Twitter does one level of threading - or do you not count that as threading?
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aaronpk well they show a list of replies to a single tweet, but that isn't really threading since they're all at the same level
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tantek I guess I count the replies and the original as a level of threading
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tantek even if you connect only two things like that, you are still "threading" them together
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tantek e.g. threading POSSE copies :)
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+1771) "add explicit key components, answered discussion in a set of FAQs" (view diff)
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tantek stop. burrito time.
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aaronpk can't argue with that
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JonathanNeal ahoy
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tantek.com edited /short-domains (+210) ".io and who is using it. bret, benwerd, any experience with .io good/bad?" (view diff)
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erikmaarten.com edited /why (+189) "/* Focusing on the Positive */ made a broader point about contents and made the note about Twitter a sub-item" (view diff)
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erikmaarten.com edited /why (-11) "/* Focusing on the Positive */ fixed my signature" (view diff)
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erikmaarten.com edited /why (+0) "/* Focusing on the Positive */ moved the item about broken links to end of list, is probably not the first concern for most people." (view diff)
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werd.io edited /short-domains (+269) "/* io */" (view diff)
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pfefferle good morning
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: if i want to send you a like, are you checking the p-name/p-summary/e-content?
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pfefferle or is h-entry -> u-like enough?
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sandeepshetty should be enough
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pfefferle nice
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pfefferle thanks
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pfefferle !tell aaronpk have you disabled the "issues" for the mention-client on github?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle barnabywalters: what was the url of your hosted mf2 parser?
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barnabywalters http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2 for a textbox, aaronpk’s pin13.net OTTOMH for URLs
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pfefferle ok, thanks… should bookmark it now
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neuro` Good morning.
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@tupprparty Testing IndieWeb-Comments http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/?spreadly=twitter.51d56d6f09e948fc60000001
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@tupprparty testing indieweb-comments http://notizblog.org/2013/06/18/the-rise-of-the-indieweb/?spreadly=twitter.51d56df809e9480a61000003
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: just implemented webmentions into spreadly.com
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pfefferle every like/share are now pushed to the authors site
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pfefferle still very early state and a lot to do (f.e. better mf2 support) but it's a start :)
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pfefferle http://www.sandeep.io/98
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pfefferle if you write a comment it's an "in-reply-to" and if you only share the link without a comment it's a "like"
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pfefferle http://www.sandeep.io/101
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /friendly (+270) "/* How to make your site Indieweb Friendly */ added spreadly" (view diff)
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barnabywalters pfefferle: oh wow, that’s great! I added spreadly to /friendly, feel free to correct/add more info
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erikmaarten sandeepshetty: your posts appear to have mid-word linebreaks in Firefox, or at least my Firefox. Looks normal in Chromium
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pfefferle barnabywalters: cool! but that's a good summary for now :)
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pfefferle barnabywalters: i will keep it up to date if i more features are following
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barnabywalters pfefferle: what would be really great would be the ability for users to link back to their own domains on those share pages
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pfefferle good idea! The next step would be to pimp the share/user page with more infos and mf2s
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pfefferle i have all infos… i only have to display them nicely
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pfefferle perhaps i can also add rel-syndication
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barnabywalters pfefferle: currently adding spread.ly examples to the microformats wiki too
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pfefferle you mean at the h-enty page as an example?
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barnabywalters pfefferle: yep — are there any other usages I should document?
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pfefferle not yet
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barnabywalters I should also add all the new personal sites we’ve seen pop up over the last week
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erikmaarten !tell sandeepshetty My markup was faulty and I sent a mention/comment but there ended up being two mentions and no comment. And one with a faulty link at that - sorry! Think I've fixed the markup, and got better http reply this time. Give me a shout if my comment still wasn't parsed ok
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QqDmw/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly (pingback)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /display-guidelines (-123) "/* Brainstorming */ h-card generator no longer active" (view diff)
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pfefferle barnabywalters: are you still using these https://github.com/barnabywalters/indieweb-icons ???
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barnabywalters pfefferle: not actively on my website. I might refine them and making them into an icon font — or if you wanted to add any to your font that’d be great
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barnabywalters I can’t remember if I CC licensed them, they certainly should be
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pfefferle that's what i am thinking about :)
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barnabywalters they get a bit messed up at small sizes, I should fix that
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barnabywalters I’ve used them as icons for my browser extensions
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pfefferle ah ok
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pfefferle thought about using them for my "reader"
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barnabywalters pfefferle: oh cool, how’s that going?
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pfefferle i am experimenting with push+mf2
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barnabywalters the latest version of PuSH?
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pfefferle jep
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pfefferle wrote a client for superfeedr
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pfefferle will add the google hub if they updated to the 0.4er spec
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Loqi sandeepshetty: erikmaarten left you a message 25 minutes ago: My markup was faulty and I sent a mention/comment but there ended up being two mentions and no comment. And one with a faulty link at that - sorry! Think I've fixed the markup, and got better http reply this time. Give me a shout if my comment still wasn't parsed ok
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pfefferle the push worked perfect… have to add the mf2 parsing stuff now...
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barnabywalters that’s great to hear
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pfefferle will release it if it works kind of stable ;)
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@superfeedr Happy 4th! Think about Independence in the web too: http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/
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@julien51 RT @superfeedr: Happy 4th! Think about Independence in the web too: http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/
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@pfefferle RT @superfeedr: Happy 4th! Think about Independence in the web too: http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/
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@singpolyma "a domain name is cheaper than a phone number" -- http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ https://singpolyma.net/?post_type=actionstream&p=554933
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@ralphm Get your own domain and set up your own services: "Independence day on the Web" by @julien51 http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/
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@flying_squirrel RT @singpolyma: "a domain name is cheaper than a phone number" -- http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ https://singpolyma.net/?post_type=actionstream&p=554933
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pdurbin tantek: to be clear, I'm not a big fan of email either ;)
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aaronpk pfefferle: hey, didn't disable issues, but it's only enabled on one of the repos, not the fork
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Loqi aaronpk: pfefferle left you a message 4 hours, 39 minutes ago: have you disabled the "issues" for the mention-client on github?
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pfefferle aaronpk: but i thought the one on your personal repo is the main!?!
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aaronpk it's enabled on https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client but not on the aaronpk fork
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aaronpk yea technically the indieweb one is the fork, huh
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pfefferle :D
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pfefferle have I sent the push request on the wrong repo?
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aaronpk ooh where do pull requests go if Issues are not enabled?
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pfefferle don't know
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aaronpk heh, enabled issues and now I see it
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aaronpk cool
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pfefferle aaronpk: what do you think about a way to disable the content-parsing?
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aaronpk ?
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pfefferle if you know what target you want to ping…
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aaronpk ah
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pfefferle you can only set $sourceBody=false
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pfefferle and then it will parse the body
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pfefferle you can only fake it by adding $sourceBody="<ignore />"
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pfefferle or so
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pfefferle i will add it as issue
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aaronpk i see, yea, you're looking for a way to use it to just send the payload
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pfefferle yes
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aaronpk it could be a static method on the class since there wouldn't be any state to save
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pfefferle or a stricter check $sourceBody= false means no parsing, $sourceBody=true means parsing and $sourceBody="DOM" means parse the var
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pfefferle if you change it to static, you also have change all helper functions (_post(), c(), _get())
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aaronpk _get() and _post() are no problem being static, and I would just make a new method to avoid making c() static
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aaronpk cause you'd have to pass in the webmention URL into the method
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pfefferle or we remove the body post from the constructor and add it to the sendSupportedMentions and parse it only if "target" is empty
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pfefferle s/post/part
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Loqi pfefferle meant to say: or we remove the body part from the constructor and add it to the sendSupportedMentions and parse it only if "target" is empty
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@pchapuis "a domain name is cheaper than a phone number" http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ Go buy (at least) one. Now. Not on GoDaddy...
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aaronpk pfefferle: you just want a way to make the post request to a URL you specify? Basically sending source=x&target=y as a pingback or webmention? and you know whether you're sending a pingback or a webmention and you know the endpoint?
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pfefferle yep
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aaronpk so you don't care about the body at all then
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pfefferle yep
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pfefferle i use your script for the spreadly.com implementation
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aaronpk ok yea I think I'm going to go the static method route then
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pfefferle and there is only one url that a user can share
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aaronpk cause the instance really is meant to manage parsing the body and looking for URLs to potentially ping
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pfefferle ok, makes sense
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aaronpk sweet, almost got it
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pfefferle :)
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aaronpk what would you expect the return value to be?
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aaronpk i'll make it true/false depending on whether it was accepted
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pfefferle depends on the check… is the supportsWebmention/Pingback method included or do i have to run it before?
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aaronpk you'll only be running one method, sendPingback or sendWebmention
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aaronpk passing in endpoint, source and target
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pfefferle nice! true or false is ok!
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /indieweb-implementations (+136) "/* See Also */ added link to mf2 wild examples" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://lanyrd.com/2013/indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List (pingback)
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barnabywalters lanyrd sends pingbacks now? or was that someone else sending a pingback *for* lanyrd?
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Loqi [mention] http://plancast.com/p/hhdw linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List (pingback)
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aaronpk that was me
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barnabywalters aaronpk: OOI, why?
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aaronpk testing mention-client
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barnabywalters ah, cool
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aaronpk pfefferle: ok new 0.3.0 is published
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pfefferle Nice! Will Test it later, i am on the way home
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aaronpk sweet
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@julien51 #indieWeb Start owning your online presence (buy a domain!) http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ #independenceDay
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@ephoz RT @julien51: #indieWeb Start owning your online presence (buy a domain!) http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ #independenceDay
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@tommorris People ask me “why indieweb? You’ll never be able to compete with Twitter and Facebook”.
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@zooldk RT @julien51: #indieWeb Start owning your online presence (buy a domain!) http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ #independenceDay
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@hthetiot RT @pchapuis: "a domain name is cheaper than a phone number" http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ Go buy (at least) one. Now. Not on GoDaddy...
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.opensourceplayground.org/2013/07/04/life-in-the-possibly-bright-future-of-the-federated-social-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.opensourceplayground.org/2013/07/04/life-in-the-possibly-bright-future-of-the-federated-social-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.opensourceplayground.org/2013/07/04/life-in-the-possibly-bright-future-of-the-federated-social-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (pingback)
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sandeepshetty_ tantek: Any chance I can see (gist or email) what one of your yyyy/b.html files (http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Storage_format) looks like? (might move to html5 storage)
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tantek sandeepshetty - they're publicly accessible via HTTP :)
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tantek the URL is exactly as it looks
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sandeepshetty_ tantek: http://tantek.com/2013/183.html
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tantek sandeepshetty - "b" is for bim number, which is 1-6
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sandeepshetty_ yeah :) was just looking up boim
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sandeepshetty_ *bim
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tantek http://newcal.org/#bimdefinition
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sandeepshetty_ so what is the 183.html then?
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sandeepshetty_ (I mean what is that serving?)
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tantek probably my .htaccess being overly aggressive with matching a requested URL
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tantek yeah that's a bug
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tantek however
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tantek if you drop the ".html"
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tantek http://tantek.com/2013/183
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tantek gives you all my posts for that day
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tantek not part of my explicit nav yet - but I'm working on datetime based archives (date-based views work, but just aren't linked)
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sandeepshetty_ so you open up bbedit and just add a "<li class="h-entry" to the top of the current bim.html file?
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tantek yes that's what I demonstrated as part of my posting flow at IndieWebCamp 2013 :) (and at 2012 UK also)
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sandeepshetty_ video wasn't good for me..
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sandeepshetty_ also what am I seeing here: http://tantek.com/2013/
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tantek I'm focusing more on the presentation / interaction side (for readers/viewers) than on my own posting UI (which I have tons of UI designs / brainstorms for)
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sandeepshetty_ it doesn't look it has the latest posts atleast
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tantek it's not - it's returning just the first bim of posts
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sandeepshetty_ so that's == http://tantek.com/2013/1
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tantek years are not handled explicitly right now in my date archive views - so it's falling back to showing the first bim instead
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tantek which is why those views are not linked as of yet :)
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tantek http://tantek.com/2013/1 is a view of the first bim.
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sandeepshetty_ and what's the difference between http://tantek.com/2013/3.html and http://tantek.com/2013/3 (for exmaple I don't see the next, prev nav in the latter)
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tantek whereas http://tantek.com/2013/1.html *is* the bim storage file.
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sandeepshetty_ ah that answers it.. so you manually add next prev in the bim storage file..
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tantek at the start of each bim when I create a new file for that bim
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sandeepshetty_ and the view just extracts the entries and shows them in a template
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tantek right
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tantek bbiab
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sandeepshetty_ nice. I'm liking this.
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@benwerd Seems appropriate to hang out and get some hacking done. Anyone around? #indieweb
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@yovax RT @pchapuis: "a domain name is cheaper than a phone number" http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ Go buy (at least) one. Now. Not on GoDaddy...
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@snarfed_org @Case @mbostock @venportman @domainr hell yes. #indieweb
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@Case RT @snarfed_org: @Case @mbostock @venportman @domainr hell yes. #indieweb
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@kevinmarks RT @snarfed_org: @Case @mbostock @venportman @domainr hell yes. #indieweb
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@jarofgreen @benwerd Got any pointers to #indieweb thinking on events and rsvp's? Thinking about next stage for @OpenTechCal as we approach first bday.
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bret aaronpk: you going to see the fireworks?
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aaronpk|m bret: at my sisters house right now south of Milwaukie with a bunch of ppl, but were thinking about going somewhere to watch the fireworks later
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bret Recommend any good spots?
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bret Sounds like you are busy, Have fun! might run into you if you are down there