#indiewebcamp 2013-07-07
2013-07-07 UTC
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Loqi pfefferle: barnabywalters left you a message on 7/6 at 12:55pm: aaronpk I added markup examples to /comment-presentation and /reply-context — does this adequately explain everything we were talking about earlier? http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Markup http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_markup
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pfefferle !tell barnabywalters perfect! thanks! and also thanks for pointing me to the <body /> or <html /> as h-entry thing… never thought about that and it makes a lot of things a lot easier… working on my theme to support the comments markup and try to implement the p-in-reply-to into the web mention plugin.
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@Auroch Mozilla Persona - Votre Identification Web Libre https://sebastien.bollingh.eu/2013/07/07/mozilla-persona-solution-didentification-web-open-source/ #identité #indieweb #sécurité
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# Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 12 hours, 11 minutes ago: here's the date formatting library I was telling you about. would be curious to hear your thoughts on it! https://github.com/indieweb/date-formatter-php
# Loqi barnabywalters: pfefferle left you a message 1 hour, 15 minutes ago: perfect! thanks! and also thanks for pointing me to the <body /> or <html /> as h-entry thing… never thought about that and it makes a lot of things a lot easier… working on my theme to support the comments markup and try to implement the p-in-reply-to into the web mention plugin.
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barnabywalters aaronpk: looking good!
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /comments-presentation (+156) "/* Current Indiewebcamp Practices */ added myself + Taproot" (view diff)
# waterpigs.co.uk edited /comments-presentation (+115) "/* Current Indiewebcamp Practices */ added werd.io" (view diff)
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@obra @julien51 - The subtome link on http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb/ links to tumblr.
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# barnabywalters aaronpk: okay if I merge my pull request to mf2-shim?
# barnabywalters twitter tests are all passing and I added some useful stuff
# barnabywalters also I should add it to packagist
# barnabywalters okay, I’m going to merge
# barnabywalters !tell aaronpk I merged my mf2-shim changes, pushed to https://packagist.org/packages/mf2/shim — let me know if you want to be added as a maintainer
# waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (+559) "/* Taproot */ added a bunch of links to libraries I’ve open sourced" (view diff)
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# barnabywalters morning aaronpk
# Loqi aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 28 minutes ago: I merged my mf2-shim changes, pushed to https://packagist.org/packages/mf2/shim — let me know if you want to be added as a maintainer
# barnabywalters just working on twitter mention shimming
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aaronpk barnabywalters: there's something wrong with the mf2 parser reading eschnou's page, see http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/04/19/2/indieweb
# barnabywalters hm strange I am not seeing any problems
# barnabywalters on wpc/php-mf2
# barnabywalters you’re all up to date, right?
# barnabywalters it’s resolving relative URLs
# barnabywalters and yes it needs to go, we just need to write a URL resolving function/extract it from the webignition library
# barnabywalters aaronpk: actually I think the problem here is that you’re showing PHP notices in a production environment
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tantek barnabywalters, nah, showing PHP notices in a production environment is just part of http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood#testing_your_code_in_production
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# barnabywalters tantek: it’s a HUGE security risk and a silly thing to do
# barnabywalters aaronpk: the easiest quick fix would just be to use @$parser->parse();
# tantek barnabywalters - perhaps you can add a section on advice / how-to NOT show PHP notices when selfdogfooding in a new section here: http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood
# barnabywalters muting any notices from the parser
# barnabywalters tantek: will do
# barnabywalters this human has had slightly too much food today
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# barnabywalters aaronpk: another approach which I take is to only show debugging information when I’m logged in
# barnabywalters aaronpk: easiest thing is just to mute warnings/errors/notices for the ::parse() call using the @ operator
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# barnabywalters aaronpk: do you not log stuff anywhere?
# barnabywalters one thing on my todo list is to build a really nice log viewer to ease debugging
# barnabywalters nope!
# barnabywalters looking now
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# barnabywalters mm, looks nice. I wonder which would be more straightforward, writing a log viewer or setting up ruby, rails and mongo ;)
# barnabywalters ah, that’s handy
# waterpigs.co.uk edited /selfdogfood (+911) "/* testing your code in production */ added notes about debugging notices in production, some PHP code samples" (view diff)
# barnabywalters goodnight all
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@RyanGarner RT @Cisco_Mobile: Here's how Facebook plans to use Instagram to track people http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/07/instagram-is-listening/ #privacy #ownyourdata
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@t at #WDS2013 @ProBlogger Academy workshop, listening to @darrenrowse speak to a room packed with #indieweb potentials. (ttk.me t4Qt1)
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tantek.com edited /export (+89) "linky linky - see specific silo pages for how to export from each" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /comments-presentation (+6) "/* Current Indiewebcamp Practices */ Werdmuller" (view diff)
# aaronpk whoa! https://s.ly/
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# tantek aaronpk - some more material for the business models page - freshly blogged from #WDS2013: http://tantek.com/2013/188/t4/wds2013-problogger-challenge-monetizing-list-11
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sandeepshetty morning
# tantek.com edited /projects (+161) "/* experimental */ bump idno up to just below p3k, since now it too has 2 indie users." (view diff)
# sandeepshetty The idea of displaying p-summary by default/first for comments has been bothering me for a while.. (http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display)
# sandeepshetty Seems like we do it because it is plain text as opposed to e-content which is HTML... is there another reason for it?
# sandeepshetty the reason it bothers me is because if it were local comment, I would show the whole comments so treating remote comments differently doesn't feel right
# sandeepshetty that should be an explicit rule/guideline that applies to both remote/local comments: truncate any comment greater than x and show a read more link,
# tantek.com edited /FAQ (+849) "sort questions by likelihood of relevance, fix/updated everyone going to want to run their own website question (of course they are, like personal computers, cell phone numbers etc.), add What is new q and a" (view diff)
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# sandeepshetty and trusting p-summary to be "short" is also not a good idea so that rule could be added explicitly... and shouldn't be a reason to show p-summary by default
# sandeepshetty it feels like a hack to get a plain text version of the comment (which works for what most indiewebers call "notes" but not for "articles")
# sandeepshetty and that too because php-mf2 was stripping tags from p-* and giving plain text (which is another issue I want to take up after this)
# sandeepshetty aaronpk: I tried my atom feed on feedly and I have p-name = p-summary = p-content and it looks like sh** :)
# sandeepshetty aaronpk: Thats similar to what I had in mind as a fix
# sandeepshetty IIRC, nobody dies this
# sandeepshetty *does
# sandeepshetty (craft a summary)
# sandeepshetty (on the indieweb)
# sandeepshetty the summary concept is also dying out on drupal, wordpress, etc..
# sandeepshetty especially since most blogs show the entire content on the list pages
# tantek aaronpk - where should that go - /principles?
# sandeepshetty the problem is telling everyone to do the opposite (explicitly) - shouldn't it apply both ways?
# sandeepshetty and I'm not saying don't have a p-summary.. just saying i don't like the "rule" of showing p-summary by defualt
# sandeepshetty (for comments)
# sandeepshetty let the implemenation/person decide
# sandeepshetty and I'm coming from the perspective that a comment is a comment is a comment.. remote or local..
# sandeepshetty same rules should apply for both
# sandeepshetty and if p-summary is also long.. truncate that as well
# sandeepshetty aaronpk: for context like feed readers I would rather decide on what shows up as the title than have every feed reader decide
# sandeepshetty so I would make up a p-name like you are doing already
# sandeepshetty which brings us to the other problem of displaying html securely.. think we should change this from "you may want to filter some HTML" to "you should filter unsafe HTML"
# tantek.com edited /comments-presentation (+465) "/* How to display */ prefer full content, use p-summary instead of truncating yourself, truncated only if that's what you need per your own site UI/design. also truncate the p-summary or p-name if you have to" (view diff)
# sandeepshetty if e-content is dedault
# sandeepshetty Do we need this: "for longer posts where only a part of it is the comment". I would markup this up (or rather not have any markup) as a mention
# sandeepshetty s/this up/this
# sandeepshetty (as a publisher)
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# www.sandeep.io edited /comments-presentation (-1) "/* How to display */ emphasized filtering e-content" (view diff)
# sandeepshetty Should I remove "for longer posts where only a part of it is the comment" in favor of marking up posts like that as a mention instead of in-reply-to ?
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# tantek JonathanNeal - this one's for you :) http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ#What_is_new
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