#indiewebcamp 2013-07-18

2013-07-18 UTC
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barnabywalters somewhat to my surprise, I now accept comments on articles, though I’m not showing them yet http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/data-export.json
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barnabywalters this was more of a test of making the comment accepting code a little more generic and reusable than anything else
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barnabywalters next thing is to extract the mf cleaning+normalising stuff within the comment accepting code so I’m using the same functions everywhere I’m accepting mf data
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iamshane.com created /Homesteading (+8) "Homesteading stub" (view diff)
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erikmaarten good morning!
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aaronpk good morning
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@Ladygoldiee #BuyTheWayOnItunes Full Eclipse" The Album https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/full-eclipse/id317227879 … … it's BLACK SUN #Follow @BlackSunDMV #HipHop #indiewebcamp
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (+3997) "Homesteading rough draft" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (+122) "fixed typos" (view diff)
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@veganstraightedge I've started writing up the #indieweb work I'm doing to my own site (on the @indiewebcamp wiki).
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@jlsuttles RT @veganstraightedge: I've started writing up the #indieweb work I'm doing to my own site (on the @indiewebcamp wiki).
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (+238) "Borrowed some bullet points from @aaronpk's p3k page" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (+663) "Added section about open source plans and licensing" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (-27) "improved page outline with better heading structure" (view diff)
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@ghostDancer_tt RT @pztrn For #ownyourdata you will definetely need own private server at home. All other variants not so secure.
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tantek.com edited /2013/UK (+0) "/* Also */ last year" (view diff)
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tantek erikmaarten - re: UGT on http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Conventions - does anyone actually use that in practice?
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tantek it's certainly not a practice here in this channel - so I'm not sure about including a (hypothetical?) top-down suggestion like that on the wiki page - which has otherwise documenting fairly real-world/emergent behaviors.
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tantek nevermind that the reasoning behind UGT seems flawed
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erikmaarten It might be a bit of a stretch to say that it's a convention in this channel, but it's convenient.
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erikmaarten Why is it flawed?
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tantek I prefer to say what time of day it is where I am when I (re)join the channel, and I appreciate it when others greet relative to their time of day - in both cases, it provides additional context for the speaker.
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tantek it's not "a bit" of a stretch, it's not a stretch - both imply some aspect of actual truth being stretched. there is no truth behind UGT being a convention in this channel - it's not at all a convention.
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tantek the problem UGT is trying to solve seems to be driven by inexperienced IRC users, or perhaps very insular IRC users that only engage from a single geo-local community.
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tantek in practice, in more internationally aware channels (this one, #microformats, #whatwg, etc.) I haven't seen the problem that UGT tries to solve.
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tantek so yeah, I'd basically write-off UGT as a dumb idea
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erikmaarten oh, right.
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erikmaarten noted
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tantek also, any solution designed to "solve" pedantic behavior (as described on the UGT page - of people nitpicking each other) is always going to fail as true pedants always find some other detail to be pedantic about.
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erikmaarten I have experienced the (admittedly not very serious) problem it tries to solve, but then I might fit in your category of inexperienced IRC users
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tommorris tantek: I believe the principle that we can standardise human communication has been shown to be fairly unimplementable in practice.
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tantek tommorris - the French are still trying, well at least in France ;)
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tommorris tries to send emails that are RFC 1855-compliant. Most people don't.
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tommorris I mean, cripes, it's hard enough getting Mozilla, Apple, Google, Opera and Microsoft to agree on HTML and CSS, let alone getting everyone on the Internet to agree on how to write an email or use IRC etc.
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tantek tommorris - hence everyone ought to just publish their own personal communication protocols ;)
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erikmaarten.com edited /IRC (-390) "/* Getting started with IRC */ removed the paragraph about universal greeting time" (view diff)
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tommorris the only overriding rule is "don't be a dick". as the recent discussions around Linus Torvalds demonstrate, not everyone adheres to that principle.
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tantek tommorris - even that rule is difficult, as it assumes a vague/general understanding of social niceties, which is often not the case for some folks, e.g. some with Aspergers.
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tantek so that being said (about greeting times)
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp :)
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tommorris and good morning from London
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tantek (from Tallinn)
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adactio tantek: what are you doing in Tallin?
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tantek adactio, speaking at the European Innovation Academy on microformats2 & HTML5: http://www.innovationacademy4u.com/course-info/program-overview/
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@aral Reading: The #indieweb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem http://werd.io/entry/51dca7e2bed7de945debf707/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem
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@i_am_prometheus RT @aral: Reading: The #indieweb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem http://werd.io/entry/51dca7e2bed7de945debf707/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem
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@i_am_prometheus @dstorey Not necessarily for developing apps—that decision will follow the initial design. We will, however, enable #indieweb +@aral
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@Cennydd While I applaud the #IndieWeb movement, running my own site is a major hassle and usually I just want to be rid of the damn thing.
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@Arty2 RT @aral: Reading: The #indieweb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem http://werd.io/entry/51dca7e2bed7de945debf707/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem
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neuro` Good morning indiewebers.
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barnabywalters good morning neuro`
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erikmaarten morning neuro`!
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neuro` How are you?
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erikmaarten neuro`, fine here (slow response, if it was for me ...). How are you?
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neuro` erikmaarten: struggling to ensure the sunburn won't get over my tanning, which has been hard lately. You?
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neuro` BTW, if you guys are using a slow, unreliable mobile connection (so with a frequent change of IP address) this is the best thing since sliced bread: http://mosh.mit.edu/
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f-a wow neuro` , very interesting!
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neuro` f-a: my ssh connection hasn't disconnected for 3 days, and I'm plugging / unplugging my iPhone on my Mac, when I'm not using it as a Bluetooth modem.
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@juellez Sometimes I get inspired just by the sound events. Thanks @t #indiewebcamp http://wonderlustpdx.com/2013/07/indiewebcamp-and-a-safari/
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@shawndrape @Cennydd Agreed. #indieweb as a Service sounds like a great goal.
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@benwerd Oh no. I should have thought this through. I'm the chicken guy. #indieweb
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bret :D someone forked my project
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aaronpk whee!
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bret aaronpk: looks like my little JS embed is getting the data
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bret now
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bret way cool
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f-a cool
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bret no I just have to make it dispplay
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bret now*
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aaronpk awesome!
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aaronpk glad we got that sorted out!
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bret yeah thanks for your work
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f-a https://sn.jpope.org/notice/20552 slightly OT in this channel, but worth sharing
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aaronpk sometimes ruby stuff bugs me because people put "magic" into various levels of the stack
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bret I guess I will just play around and see how much data I can pull in
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bret getting around cross domain restrictions
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bret yeah magic is can be frustrating
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bret ben is coming to terms that he is the chicken guy now: http://werd.io/view/51e83e94bed7de122e17ad89
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aaronpk oh man the comment thread on FB is hilarious https://www.facebook.com/ben.werdmuller/posts/10100537877950439
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bret Idea! (sorry another one for aaronpk ) Ability to send web mentions via IRC when referencing a site with the web mention or ping back header, coming from the line in IRC that noted the URL
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bret maybe restrict it to users with voice or something
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aaronpk oh yea we talked about that
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bret BockBockCockHock
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aaronpk I think we decided it would be best to restrict to users in the IRC-People page
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bret Yeah, whatever make sense
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bret That would be sweet
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@JoolsAdams The #indieweb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem http://werd.io/entry/51dca7e2bed7de945debf707/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem
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willnorris.com edited /creator (+144) "Add links for backstory on these two events (both links point to indie websites :) )" (view diff)
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@elforesto Installing OwnCloud. Time to see if I can own my own sync service too. #OwnYourData
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