#indiewebcamp 2013-07-20

2013-07-20 UTC
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shaners I'll be in PDX this weekend if anyone wants to get together and hack. Email me: hello@iamshane.com
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shaners Now, I'm off to the airport. Bye!
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Loqi [mention] https://willnorris.com/2013/07/indiewebcamp-is-for-creators linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/creator (pingback)
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bret sandeepshetty, do you know about the weird diplay issue with firefox on your site?
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bret it breaks words across lines when it gets to the end of a line and the word does not fit
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EHLOVader aaronpk: your metric tracking is interesting... have you looked into whatpulse?
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sandeepshetty bret: Re weird display issue with Firefox, it's because of the CSS word break property I've set to prevent long links from breaking the mobile version. I look into it and see if there's a better solution.
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bret I was just looking through some of your posts on what you have been doing with converspace :)
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bret really cool stuff!
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sandeepshetty bret: thanks :)
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bret I finally got push working correctly
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sandeepshetty push?
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bret sandeepshetty: pubsubhubbub -> PuSH
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bret just on the atom feed
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bret there was a bug with github webhooks and their hosting service
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bret that prevented it from working
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sandeepshetty and they fixed it? is there an issue for it?
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io (+73) "Added a quick test" (view diff)
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bret gahhh, so close
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bret woop! Now displaying webmentions and pingbacks
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bret example: http://bret.io/2013/06/24/t4/
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bret all collected at aaronpk's pingback.me
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neuro` Hello
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f-a fyi http://freedomhtml.org/
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pdurbin f-a: interesting, but I'm already confused about exactly how standarized HTML5 itself is... let alone this profile of it. I've heard people call HTML5 a "living standard" :)
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f-a pdurbin: indeed that's a problem too (am I the only one who liked xhtml 2 better...).
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pdurbin f-a: liked? the app I work on is Java EE (Enterprise Edition) with JSF (Java Server Faces) so it's all xhtml: https://github.com/iqss/dvn :)
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f-a :)
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@erans https://medium.com/indieweb-thoughts/9d0e36524dbf - own your data! (and yeah, I recognize the irony of the post being on medium. For my defense it was redistributed)
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neuro` Hello
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pdurbin neuro`: what's new?
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neuro` pdurbin: still on vacation, moved from 2 weeks in the seaside from the countryside. 2 more weeks to go and I'm done.
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pdurbin sounds nice. it's unusually hot in Boston
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neuro` pdurbin: it's nice yes. The kids nap time give me the chance to write and code on my indieweb projects
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DanC recently back from a road trip, conflicted about how to manage photos. http://www.madmode.com/2009/advogato_entry0070.html
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DanC surfs the logs... nice!
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neuro` Coding and IRCing from my grand parents garden, using my iPhone as a modem. The temp is now really nice
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neuro` I just fear some bats bump into my screen.
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DanC IRC is so nicely low-bandwidth. twitter once was, but not so much any more./
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neuro` DanC: IRC over slow connection is even better using mosh (starts a SSH connection, then uses UDP)
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f-a bats (should) be smarter than that
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neuro` I hope they are.
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f-a I began hating twitter when they removed support for rss
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DanC neuro`, do I know you from #swig?
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neuro` DanC: I don't think so.
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DanC is still in denial about google reader going away
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DanC can't figure out how to use feedly
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DanC wishes for time to try that tiny tiny rss thingy
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pdurbin should give mosh a try
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f-a DanC: maybe try a 'local' rss reader?
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f-a I am a command line aficionado, so I use newsbeuter
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DanC I mostly read feeds from my android phone
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neuro` DanC: since google reader closed, I just stopped reading RSS
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f-a but there are plenty of them out there, for every platform
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pdurbin f-a: first my mom emailed me and said, "I can't see your tweets in Google Reader anymore" because Twitter turned off RSS. At least she doesn't have that problem any more ;)
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neuro` I pick up interesting articles from my Twitter timeline.
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DanC and when I store my knowledge (e.g. what I read, what I liked, ...) I don't trust any one machine
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f-a I sadly smile, pdurbin :)(
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DanC I tried bittorrent sync the other day. awesome.
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DanC sync'd huge videos between my phone and desktop in no time...
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neuro` http://blog.davidfrancos.net/reading-rss-feeds-from-mutt/ funn
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neuro` Newsbeuter looks nice
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DanC ... the cool thing is that I then used the desktop to organize the videos into folders with real words in them, and btsync updated the folder organization on the phone to match
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DanC by way of introduction, my own site is http://www.madmode.com/
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DanC feed reader requirements: (1) when I'm reading a page in my browser, a subscribe button
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DanC (2) ability to edit the feed list, outline style
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DanC (3) persistent .newsrc analog (i.e. what I've read), synchronized between desktop(s), mobile, and random-machine-at-web-cafe
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DanC (4) headline-only views
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DanC (5) aggregated view, where multiple feeds are merged and the result is shown in time order
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f-a mhhh DanC , even though I never tried it, Tiny tiny rss
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f-a or some other thing to put on your server
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f-a (as you want to consult stuff from multiple machines)
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neuro` DanC: on a "small world" note, the guy who made your blog generator is a very old friend of mine
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DanC that's another thing I'm conflicted about: running my own server. A 1:1 ratio of users to administrators seems unsustainable, given the intensity of the bad guys. I do run a few...
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DanC (1) as a W3C staff alum, I have space on people.w3.org
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DanC (2) I use nearlyfreespeech.net
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DanC (3) at work, we're getting into AWS, so I have justification to play with that
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DanC I have only stuck a toe in the water
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f-a good luck!
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DanC what hosting arrangements do others use?
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f-a I disagree with your mail-fail ideas though :P
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f-a I just a cheap shared hosting as now
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f-a Have pondered self hostingn with rasp pi, but I am not a technical user
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DanC mail-fail ideas? I thought that was tantek
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DanC shared hosting... so no long-running processes?
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f-a I think there is some sort of cron possibility with directhost
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f-a never used that, I am much 1.0
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DanC gets a small epiphany... turn-based computing (a la E, waterken) has a lot in common with "no long-running processes"
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DanC small world indeed, neuro`
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DanC f-a, I'm still curious/confused what you meant by mail-fail ideas
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neuro` Running your won srver gives you both great power and great responsibilities.
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DanC well, yeah, sure
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DanC but it takes time
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f-a that article by tantek
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neuro` True. I've ben running my own server since 1998, first at my parents place then in a DC. This is incredibly cheap in France.
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f-a I supposed you agreed with it, DanC
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neuro` I ended being a system administrator :(
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f-a hahaa
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Loqi nice
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neuro` After studying law, history, political scinces and then comp sci
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f-a better than a lawyer, in it?
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f-a brb shaving
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DanC I agree with tantek that email is poorly used, but my views aren't as extreme as his. I'm more afraid that it'll get taken over by facebook etc.
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DanC on email: http://www.w3.org/2009/Talks/02wdn/slides#(36)
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DanC and on communcation patterns: https://informatics.kumc.edu/work/wiki/DevTools#coding-chunks
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neuro` I fear the day Facebook really integrates Bing and have people not using the Web anymore.
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DanC anybody tried openphoto? I was pretty disappointed to see that the actual photo URLs expose the domain of the storage service (amazon, dropbox, ...)
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DanC http://theopenphotoproject.org/
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DanC man, that was hard to find
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DanC discovers http://bitnami.com/stack/tiny-tiny-rss/cloud/amazon ...
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f-a back
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bret DanC, While far from perfect, I have been using fever reader. After the initial cost, it costs about $.25 - $.75 in hosting a month.
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bret Newsblur and feedbin also look like they have potential
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neuro` Tried feedbin, not convincedd
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DanC solved his immediate photo sharing problem by copying-and-pasting from facebook to gmail. not bad!
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bret neuro` yeah? I have not yet. What was wrong with it. It looks okay. I presume there are some usibility issues?
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DanC this one? http://www.feedafever.com/
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bret one primary requirement for me is that I can use a phone client to chache unread stories so I can read them without using any data
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neuro` bret: tags only, no folder, made my feeds look too mssy and unusable (I had all the tags, then the 400+ feeds in the same list, no way to collapse)
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bret fever happens to work with reeder on iphone, so thats what keeps me from using anything else
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bret DanC, thats what I use
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DanC interesting licensing/deployment model.
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bret its buggy, but works well enough till I find something better
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bret DanC, technically you get the whole source code once you buy it, but it isnt open source. Im rather bitter about that
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bret thinking about it more, its only worth it if you want to use Reedr on iphone or ipad
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bret http://reederapp.com/
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neuro` Reeder is good
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bret which is a real big reason
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bret reeder is screaming fast
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bret + full offline support
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neuro` Reeder just has no way to export my feeds WTF
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bret reeder is just a client to some other service
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bret so, fever would handle the feed export
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bret or newsbin presumibly?
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bret those are the two it works with right now
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bret hey tantek, check it out: http://bret.io/2013/06/24/t4/ pulling in data from pingback.me
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tantek hey bret
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tantek looking
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tantek oh cool - are you displaying mentions automatically now?
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bret yeah
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bret well, the link at least
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bret still need to handle cases where there are no mentions, and maybe put a note or link describing how to send a mention
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bret its done with client side JS and pingback.me
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tantek looks like you're displaying everything as a mention, but could be showing the actual replies as comments? (in-reply-to etc.)
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tantek also, have you considered implementing some reply-context display on your replies?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context
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bret pingback.me only collections mentions, so that is the next problem to deal with
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bret and I am not sure how to deal with reply context's yet
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bret But I hardly understood JS before IWC2013, so its at least a step! :)
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tantek simplest thing to display for a reply context is just the URL you're replying to in a grey box - which is all I do for now for example
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bret the thing I am replying to is the @werd.io at the top of the note
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tantek yeah - odd to have an @-name link to a post not a user
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bret taking into account all of these new ideas, I have been doing some major refactoring on how my site is put together
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bret I am a tad naive to how twitter does everything :X
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tantek in general (across sites) @-names refer to people, not posts
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tantek in fact I don't know of any sites/silos/communities that use them to refer to posts
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tantek they've all been used to refer to people
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bret I'm thinking about maybe forking pingback.me and expand the data it collects from the webmentions and use that to provide realtimeish reply's and other things people could reply with
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bret heh.... I need to fix that
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bret But I was happy to reveal some replies I recived that I had missed before! http://innercircle.aok.io/webmention_email_notification
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bret it still needs a lot of work, but I am plan on working keeping the Javascript fairly general as a quick and dirty way for people to display webmention/pingbacks from pingback.me https://github.com/bcomnes/pingback-js/blob/master/webmention.js
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tantek.com edited /reply-context (+494) "add Tantek.com indieweb example of a rudimentary reply-context" (view diff)
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tantek bret - got to go, but wanted to at least give you these links to a few of my replies with very simple reply contexts so you can at least see if you can get that much working: http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Tantek
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bret i had some larger plans for that, but I guess it would be more imidiately gratifying to get something working quicker in the meantime
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