#indiewebcamp 2013-08-07
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@benwerd A quick introduction to idno #indieweb http://werd.io/slides/52019c62bed7de435aa329dc
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/slideframe/52019c62bed7de435aa329dc linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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tantek aaronpk - as promised: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license
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@ozten RT @benwerd: A quick introduction to idno #indieweb http://werd.io/slides/52019c62bed7de435aa329dc
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@icco RT @MozSF: #indiewebcamp SF hack day in full swing! Join @t Bret.io @brianloveswords in the 1st floor commons http://indiewebcamp.com/2013sfhd
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@veganstraightedge @janaboruta @lstoll I'm writing up a talk proposal about the burgeoning #indieweb software movement to submit to #FutureStack. :D
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shaners do you want http://nomoresharecropping.org / .com
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tantek.com edited /events/2013-08-06-hack-day (+848) "What Did We Do stub - a few things" (view diff)
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aaronpk linode's is still half decent https://planet.linode.com/
# tantek shaners, so I'm not sure how that much different from http://indiewebcamp.com/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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@gavinwye @Patrick_Sansom yea hopefully. Ill also be down for @dconstruct and #indieweb camp in September
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@BornThirsty Good article on implementing "Prism Break" https://eschnou.com/entry/implementing-prism-break-62-25013.html #PrismBreak #IndieWeb
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@MailpileTeam @jmsmcfrlnd Tent.io is cool. It's a splinter off of the FedSocWeb. We Mailpilers are more keen on the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com
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@Erkan_Yilmaz @mbjunior what permission do you talk about? Ideally:people should set up own #friendica, #statusnet instances: #ownYourData cc @Metztli_IT
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barnabywalters woah amazing to see that app.net have rolled out mf2 support!
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# barnabywalters this is awesome
# barnabywalters aaronpk: regarding mf2 parser not resolving relative URLs, is pin13.net not passing the URL as the 2nd param of new mf2\Parser()?
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# barnabywalters relative URL resolution is working fine for me, tests passing etc
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gjones barnabywalters your right its nice to see uf2 support in a larger site
# barnabywalters gjones: absolutely! let’s see if we can get them sending webmentions next :)
# Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RQD3V/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-06/line/1375827117 (pingback)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /App.net (+70) "moved standards support promises to a new section, mentioned mf2 adoption" (view diff)
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# barnabywalters smari mccarthy I presume? welcome to #indiewebcamp
# barnabywalters (if not, welcome anyway!)
# smari It is I!
# smari thanks :)
# barnabywalters yay! congratulations on the mailpile release and fundraiser!
# smari Thanks! We're trying to hit the target amount... everything is going good. Then we need to develop stuff. Right now, we've got a pretty clear list of things to do and quite a lot of great ideas for what to do thereafter
# smari :D
# smari it's going to be great!
# barnabywalters yeah, I saw loads of good stuff in the GH issues
# barnabywalters are you back in london now? how’s the new job going?
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# smari yup, in London now. Settling in, slowly.
# tigerfinch Hey smari - just found about mailpile a few days ago, thought "oh, I should definitely put some money into that" then promptly forgot.
# tigerfinch Just done it now :)
# tigerfinch so thanks for inadvertently reminding me ;)
# smari thanks for being inadvertently reminded!
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# tigerfinch :)
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@mapkyca #blog Easily add support for Pingback and Webmentions and Webhooks http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/08/07/easily-add-support-for-pingback-and-webmentions-and-webhooks/?utm_content=buffer3941a&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer #indieweb
# barnabywalters greetings mapkyca!
# tantek aaronpk, benwerd, can you guys braindump whatever Harry is saying into the Etherpad? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c
# barnabywalters waves to people on the etherpad
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# barnabywalters when are you guys doing your demos?
# barnabywalters cool
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# aaronpk barnabywalters: full schedule is here: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
# barnabywalters aaronpk: go for it! I got tired of checking http://tagboard.com/osfw3c
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@socialmediaclub RT @rawn: Tweeting here from #osfw3c #socbiz workshop for today/tomorrow alongside @lehawes @katmandelstein @dhinchcliffe and others
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@AnaDataGirl Folks interested in #socbiz should be checking #osfw3c for live tweets from W3C open standards workshop http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
# @socialmediaclub RT @anadatagirl: Folks interested in #socbiz should be checking #osfw3c for live tweets from W3C open standards workshop...
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@lidingpku #osfw3c Dion Hinchcliffe. big questions on social standards. problem? motivation? reuse or create? apps?
# @socialmediaclub "There is a strong tendency in people to adopt new technology when they see other people like them doing the same. " -Geoffrey Moore #osfw3c
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@billchristian RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c
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@rawn @dhinchcliffe "Successful standards are hard to create. Most standards have very low level of adoption" #osfw3c
# @rawn @dhinchcliffe: "The chance for a standard to be successfully adopted in inversely proportional to its complexity-George Morimosato" #osfw3c
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@adamboyet RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c
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# @billchristian Failure of the business is to deploy social networks on the side, not where work gets done, not a part of the work to achieve #osfw3c
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@katmandelstein One of the biggest challenges in #socialbiz is that in practice there is still isolation instead of integration via @dhinchcliffe #osfw3C
# @rawn @dhinchcliffe "Much of the recent focus has been connecting Social Media with the flow of work" #osfw3c - Note socmedia, not #socbiz
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@opensocial Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise.
# @lidingpku #osfw3c good example of connecting walled garden: it would be great to bridge tweets and the IRC channel
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# @opensocial @dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c
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@harryhalpin Great talk on Dion on social standards, looking at how simple RSS, unlike Web Services, enabled a social web #osfw3c #w3c
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@aaronpk @lidingpku Yep! We're doing that with the #osfw3c tweets right now, feel free to join #indiewebcamp on... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/1/osfw3c-indiewebcamp
# Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/1/osfw3c-indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-07 (webmention)
# @lidingpku @lehawes semantic twitter will simply put a statement like #oscw3c=@osfw3c
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@mattfranklin Glad to hear @dhinchcliffe discussing social federation. I will be building on this later today http://t.co/WZLIAxJD37. #osfw3c
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@lehawes RT @opensocial: @dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c
# @rawn #osfw3c @dhinchcliffe Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards?
# @lehawes @dhinchcliffe Fragmentation, walled gardens, biz models, lack of awareness/critical mass/'killer app' social standards are obstacles #osfw3c
# @benwerd Looking forward to demoing a lot of what @dhinchcliffe is talking about at #osfw3c tomorrow. #indieweb
# @katmandelstein RT @rawn: #osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? End-users - we are going to a world that end-users are the IT selectors
# @billchristian So does the Social Web need an open implementation analogous to an SMTP server. #osfw3c
# barnabywalters ^ “an open implementation” — no, not just one
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@weitzelm RT @opensocial: Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise. (twitter.com/weitzelm/status/365149111051227138)
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@natematias @benwerd many manufacturers offer tool subsidies to mechanics in the form of grants and matched funds #osfw3c (twitter.com/natematias/status/365149145318690816)
# @harryhalpin For those that want to follow the discussion for the social workshop, check out http://irc.w3.org channel #osfw3c for live minutes (twitter.com/harryhalpin/status/365149222959452160)
# @benwerd RT @natematias: @benwerd many manufacturers offer tool subsidies to mechanics in the form of grants and matched funds #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365149244853723138)
# barnabywalters those tweets are looking good Loqi, aaronpk
# @lehawes Point being made at #osfw3c as to the value of closed, private groups. How can we balance needs of openly-shared and private work? (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365149555538407424)
# Loqi research-->government (https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365149875081453568)
# @lehawes We need open #social standards to bridge walled communities/groups/teams working in different proprietary systems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365150063686725633)
# @AnaDataGirl RT @lehawes: We need open #social standards to bridge walled communities/groups/teams working in different proprietary systems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/AnaDataGirl/status/365150208097017856)
# @benwerd Hearing @eric_meeks from UCSF Medical talking about needing federated social. My mom is literally there right now. Want to help. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365150288543358976)
# @weitzelm RT @opensocial: @dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c (twitter.com/weitzelm/status/365150377177387011)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c workshop (@ Tank 18 w/ 7 others) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/5202788b498ea7d8d3bff615?s=ZGmyTSEQdpvOVCww9mKEO20N92A&ref=tw (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365150528138776577)
# barnabywalters aw, combo breaker
# @lehawes @billchristian Not sure what you mean by last sentence. Be glad to discuss in-person, if you're at the #osfw3c workshop. :>) (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365151257339506689)
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# @benwerd "Simple standards are critical." Please check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365151782869024768)
# @lehawes #osfw3c workshop participant correctly says that any #social standards need to be dead simple if they are to be adopted. Like email and RSS. (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365151811511914498)
# Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/view/520279b7bed7dee56714d46a linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (pingback)
# barnabywalters email is *simple*?
# @rawn #osfw3c #socbiz standards "It's easy to talk about generalities, but we will need to get to specific contexts/interactions of the problem." (twitter.com/rawn/status/365152049140215808)
# @katmandelstein RT @lehawes: #osfw3c workshop participant correctly says that any #social standards need to be dead simple if they are to be adopted.... (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365152196918120449)
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@jessewilkins @lehawes #osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc. (twitter.com/jessewilkins/status/365152240236892160)
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@vassko What we need is "connections in all directions" by Ann Bassetti, Boeing #osfw3c #SocBiz (twitter.com/vassko/status/365152389122101250)
# @katmandelstein RT @vassko: What we need is "connections in all directions" by Ann Bassetti, Boeing #osfw3c #SocBiz (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365152724028887040)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c ironic that at a standards meeting the power adaptor sockets are spaced too tightly to plug into (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365152752701145089)
# @lehawes RT @jessewilkins "#osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc." Good point! (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365153231543877632)
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@dhinchcliffe Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365153281913262080)
# @billchristian Collaborative solutions include employees, customer, partners, and suppliers with appropriate social context #osfw3c (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365153334832799744)
# @katmandelstein RT @billchristian: Collaborative solutions include employees, customer, partners, and suppliers with appropriate social context #osfw3c (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365153468354273280)
# @lidingpku RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365153713251295234)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365153976628416512)
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@toddbarnard RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/toddbarnard/status/365154102272991232)
# @vassko RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/vassko/status/365154175585222656)
# @kevinmarks RT @benwerd: "Simple standards are critical." Please check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ #osfw3c (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365154177409753088)
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@sutrosoftware Antisocially late to #osfw3c. Hoping the APIs are not yet in place for people to unfriend me. (twitter.com/sutrosoftware/status/365154184410038273)
# @lidingpku 80% employees do not use enterprise social network. not useful. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365154485619798017)
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@iSocial_Fanz RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/iSocial_Fanz/status/365154494356529152)
# barnabywalters when I was in secondary school most of my friends loved facebook, thought twitter was stupid
# barnabywalters I know one person who used it to consume news
# @lidingpku #osfw3c or, is there a strong enough need for social standards in enterprise. I bet not many bosses want employees to run twitter at work (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365154841519063040)
# @rawn RT @lehawes: RT @jessewilkins "#osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc." Good point! (twitter.com/rawn/status/365154893419790336)
# barnabywalters I also lived out in the country, whereas twitter use tends to focus around large cities
# barnabywalters actually, more of my school friends had their own websites than had twitter accounts :)
# @dhinchcliffe "About 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools.” - @MCrawfordUSNvet HT @kevinmarks #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365155031156137984)
# @benwerd "We think that's needed going forward is a set of web-based content standards." Microformats! http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2 #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365155107911897088)
# barnabywalters ^ yes yes yes
# barnabywalters benwerd++
# @lehawes RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365155437894582272)
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# @kevinmarks #osfw3c essential components diagram has so much on it, it's illegible from the back of the room. Hmm. (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365156131535978497)
# barnabywalters ^ photo?
# @dhinchcliffe Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dionh (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365156324750798849)
# barnabywalters no problem, just wondering what all the components actually were :)
# @billchristian #osfw3c Are the slides being shared? Would be helpful to take back and educate others (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365156556754522114)
# @adamboyet RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/adamboyet/status/365156562207129600)
# @dhinchcliffe Compelling to hear @Ford's @edkrebs say that he insists his #socbiz solutions are based on open standards. A great example. #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365156759813373953)
# @vassko Reference architecture, Ford Motor co #osfw3c #SocBiz https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365156870547202049/photo/1 (twitter.com/vassko/status/365156870547202049)
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@ASUG_Michigan RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #socialbiz tools (twitter.com/ASUG_Michigan/status/365156908434329603)
# barnabywalters benwerd: mapkyca: you can kickstarter killing something? kickstarter got weird
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@William_Newman RT @ASUG_Michigan: RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #so… (twitter.com/William_Newman/status/365156993012469761)
# @adamboyet great quote from my peer @annbass #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/adamboyet/status/365157194934657024)
# barnabywalters benwerd: “we need money to buy pitckforks and flamethrowers. rewards include ink made from blood, etc”
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@newmediatwee @katmandelstein oh my! #osfw3c looks amazing! (twitter.com/newmediatwee/status/365157347699605504)
# @lehawes Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect with other enterprise systems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365157424304369667)
# @dhinchcliffe RT @rawn: #osfw3c "The power of social is to connect w/ people I didn't know before. That's where I'm going to get my new value" - @EdKrebs (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365157682115641344)
# @billchristian #osfw3c Not to be a wet towel, but we are advocating use of social standards on unfriendly platform. Versus like appdotnet. (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365157731474223104)
# @benwerd "Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365157876332904448)
# Loqi Thank the lord (https://twitter.com/lleung/status/365157938102403073)
# @dhinchcliffe "I need to be connected to people in the placed where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158000022929408)
# Loqi Thank the lord (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365158069816143873)
# @dhinchcliffe "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158177945296896)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c classic enterprise use case: document management. I've already store the file in three places, want me upload it at new location? (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365158181007142913)
# @katmandelstein RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365158342198435841)
# Loqi Thank the lord (https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365158546641395713)
# @benwerd The problems in enterprise social in 2013 are identical to the problems in 2006. But people seem to be moving on them now. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365158704447893505)
# @dhinchcliffe "I need access to social data in a very well defined way... to pull out valuable nuggets... using a suite of tools." - @edkrebs #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158743442325504)
# barnabywalters aaronpk: nope
# @lidingpku #osfw3c use case: how twitter help logging a workshop: segment talk notes, link alt hasTags/time, add resource links, discussion, notes, q/a (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365158865421082624)
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# @kevinmarks RT @benwerd: "Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365159191859572736)
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# @lehawes RT @benwerd: "Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365159288198533120)
# Loqi software already in the enterprise. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365159645356113920)
# @benwerd eg over at @latakoo, we're integrating with video editing software, news management systems, etc. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365159876617449472)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c : i'm pretty sure a random passer-by just came in here, got some breakfast, and wandered out again #open #social #public (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365160134676201472)
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@kapilgupta @rawn @lehawes @katmandelstein @dhinchcliffe #osfw3c #envy :-). Will participate vicariously through your tweets! (twitter.com/kapilgupta/status/365160142293049344)
# @lehawes @dansilva I don't know. @edkrebs verbally stated it in his #osfw3c presentation. You could ask him if it's published somewhere. (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365160238812368897)
# @benwerd Seems like pump.io is well-placed to integrate across software in this sort of platform-centric way. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365160333607841792)
# @billchristian "enrichment" and "composition" seem like the correct mental approach to building a simple and attractive std. #osfw3c (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365160367002882048)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c IBM's enterprise social business seems to be yet another name of "enterprise data integration problem" (maybe v1.1) (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365160483302547456)
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@JimLundy @rawn @dhinchcliffe Hope it is going well. Enterprises need to be very careful when looking at Consulting firms for Open Social dev #osfw3c (twitter.com/JimLundy/status/365160690887045122)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c : it would be handy if http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html had personal URLs for the speakers on (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365160856792739841)
# @rawn #osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff Calusinski IBM (twitter.com/rawn/status/365160887692165120)
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@ohadyas RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365160896982949888)
# @ohadyas RT @dhinchcliffe: Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://t.co/xtuUZ… (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365160954168098816)
# @ohadyas RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365161029388754944)
# @dhinchcliffe It's the classic #EnSw problem: Aligning business architecture and technical architecture is key to #socbiz adoption. #osfw3c @DonBuddenbaum (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365161106014093312)
# @ohadyas RT @opensocial: Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise. (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365161118878412801)
# @lidingpku RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : it would be handy if http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html had personal URLs for the speakers on (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365161448328011777)
# @rawn Point made>RT @jimlundy: rawn @dhinchcliffe Enterprises need to be very careful when looking at Consulting firms for Open Social dev #osfw3c (twitter.com/rawn/status/365161674145153024)
# @kevinmarks RT @rawn: #osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff Calu… (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365161712766287872)
# @lehawes IBM's @DonBuddenbaum says social technologies must become fundamental building blocks of business apps. I completely agree. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365161733595213824)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @LloydFassett: A lot of the questions for qualifying candidates in healthcare staffing are common, standard between companies (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365162238585221120)
# @dhinchcliffe Torn if a grand reconciliation of #socbiz "block architecture" reference models is right. Perhaps a more organic approach at first. #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365162243882618880)
# @lehawes RT @rawn: #osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff... (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365162270013128706)
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@ASUG365 RT @ASUG_Michigan: RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #so… (twitter.com/ASUG365/status/365162289944866816)
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@jasnell @lehawes @DonBuddenbaum Our tools (browsers, user-agents) need a better sense of context and a better sense of identity. #osfw3c (twitter.com/jasnell/status/365162385901756417)
# @lehawes @jasnell @DonBuddenbaum Yes, that's part of what we need to accomplish in this workshop. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365162586884419584)
# @dhinchcliffe @rawn @JimLundy IMO most #EnSw vendors should just offer compelling @OpenSocial wrappers for their biz apps. Only build if you must. #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365162841331859456)
# @lehawes @jasnell @DonBuddenbaum Yep. Portals are useful in that regard. I'm also excited about promise/possibilities of Apache Rave as well. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365163453746393089)
# @rawn #osfw3c IMHO, I feel that orgs here are de-emphasizing that success w/ Social Foremost depends on what users want to do. (twitter.com/rawn/status/365163523208261633)
# @JimLundy @dhinchcliffe @rawn @opensocial Focus was on Enterprises that are doing their own widgets. Lots are. #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/JimLundy/status/365163637649850368)
# Loqi [@dhinchcliffe] How we can create open standards for social business http://www.zdnet.com/how-we-can-create-open-standards-for-social-business-7000017420/ My POV on value of #EnSw &
# Loqi #socbiz standards. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365163764217163776)
# @katmandelstein @lloydfassett is spot on that the real value of #socialbiz is not connecting internally, but connecting businesses across ecosystem #osfw3c (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365163773494951936)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c 1999 Evans Wurster "Economics of information", the traditional economics of information (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365163910795501568)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @LloydFassett: A standard moves the richness and reach graph up to the right. A standard between businesses will have impact (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365163961341067264)
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# Loqi integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365164141180235777)
# Loqi integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365164344188731392)
# aaronpk can someone else try http://twtr.io/bDxp48GnW8
# Loqi integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365164715388829697)
# @benwerd I think the #indieweb has a lot of potential to be the basis of that extensible set of standards. http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365164803678945280)
# @benwerd Now discussing / arguing the difference between social and collaboration. I'd argue that both are elements of the other. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365165538122547201)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have heard of. (twitter.com/_/status/365165689771786240)
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@baojie RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twitter.com/_/status/365165806016937984)
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# Loqi social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone else" #socbiz (http://twtr.io/bE6AwcoD0o)
# @lehawes @jdcalus nails it, saying combination of automated processes + ad hoc collaboration across functions and orgs is what biz needs. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365165853190266881)
# @rawn RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twitter.com/_/status/365165897251831808)
# Loqi social is with people you don't know." But what a team even *is* is changing! #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE6GaEHHWg)
# @lehawes IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record and Systems of Engagement. Now. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365166286545747970)
# Loqi social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone els… (http://twtr.io/bE6M5T56h9)
# @dhinchcliffe @benwerd @vassko Workforce collaboration can be social. But it certainly can use other models not based on social media. #osfw3c #socbiz (twitter.com/_/status/365166316082044929)
# @billchristian RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twitter.com/_/status/365166330523033602)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c inter-connecting people, systems, documents in enterprise is always needed in enterprise, regardless how the solution is called (twitter.com/_/status/365167203861004288)
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@vipint7 RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365167288653066242)
# Loqi We're past due! (http://twtr.io/bE6mafGD55)
# @benwerd "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365167745362440192)
# @billchristian Good question: when does the internet of things become social? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365167881056559104)
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# @lidingpku #osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". "within a system" vs "across systems" (twitter.com/_/status/365167974811844608)
# @billchristian RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365168116508004353)
# @lidingpku RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365168250264363008)
# @dhinchcliffe "I can't get even get two people together to agree on what federated social media is." - @edkrebs A great place to start today IMO. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365168286767390720)
# @socialmediaclub MT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". (twitter.com/_/status/365168344044802049)
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@elmibester RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twitter.com/_/status/365168714813296640)
# Loqi social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone else" (http://twtr.io/bE7Dvk_3Nh)
# @kevinmarks RT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". "within a system" vs "acr… (twitter.com/_/status/365168907415326722)
# @katmandelstein @rawn points out social is a "blackhole" when we are talking about combining unstructured with the structure of standards. #osfw3C (twitter.com/_/status/365169031214403585)
# aaronpk bret or someone else on HN, go upvote the app.net post! https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
# Loqi social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone els… (http://twtr.io/bE7ShKD6Zb)
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@ellenfeaheny To follow the OpenSocial W3C Workshop context, IRC: http://irc.w3.org port:6665 channel# osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365169585227436032)
# @aaronpk App•net follows up on promises to support more open standards! Great work, @daltonc and team!... #indieweb #appnet http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/2/appnet-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/365169808351830017)
# @ellenfeaheny To the #osfw3c attendees - a 2nd wifi network was opened - should be faster now! :) #win (twitter.com/_/status/365169891491315712)
# @lidingpku @osfw3c when we go social, we got *flexibility* of incredible data integration, but also want to *control* over, e.g. privacy and security (twitter.com/_/status/365170007539322880)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c when we go social, we got *flexibility* of incredible data integration, but also want to *control* over, e.g. privacy and security (twitter.com/_/status/365170072081281024)
# @dhinchcliffe "Social analytics are a key part of a #socbiz solution." - @MCrawfordUSNvet #osfw3c Yep. Here's why: http://dachisgroup.com/2011/08/social-business-intelligence-positioning-a-strategic-lens-on-opportunity/ #bigdata #EnSw (twitter.com/_/status/365170072446173184)
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@dzhu RT @ellenfeaheny: To follow the OpenSocial W3C Workshop context, IRC: http://irc.w3.org port:6665 channel# osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365170254810320896)
# aaronpk not very active hashtag on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/osfw3c
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@voxpelli RT @aaronpk: App•net follows up on promises to support more open standards! Great work, @daltonc and team!... #indieweb #appnet http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/365170503277092864)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c "Wikipedia as a process that replaced formal processes" - see http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page for replacing standards processes… (twitter.com/_/status/365170535249887234)
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# Loqi whistles. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE7uyMFB_R)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c use case: the share button shows the need for porting data across system boundary. what's next? better control, provenance... (twitter.com/_/status/365170685464678400)
# Loqi social doesn't. Businesses rely on predictable (http://twtr.io/bE80J8_Z1t)
# Loqi architects wrt future of #socbiz #SF (http://twtr.io/bE80pvRoJ8)
# Loqi social doesn't. Businesses rely on predic… (http://twtr.io/bE821sP_FW)
# Loqi whistl… (http://twtr.io/bE82qjqh82)
# @rawn #osfw3c ...but more so Companies want to _trust that the system will continue drive business_ regardless of predictable Process vs Adhoc (twitter.com/_/status/365171492864012290)
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@dirtybirdstock RT @billchristian: Good question: when does the internet of things become social? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365171493065732096)
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# Loqi -- need tangible reward (http://twtr.io/bE8LbkPX3U)
# Loqi -- tangible/instant reward (http://twtr.io/bE8PD5wRxL)
# Loqi -- tangible/instant reward (http://twtr.io/bE8RUqr1c4)
# @ellenfeaheny #osfw3c attendees from Ford, Jive, IBM, Boeing, Apache, UCSF, BroadVision, Apache, Mozilla, SugarCRM, AT&T, TIBCO, Orange, Mitre, Forbes... (twitter.com/_/status/365172268797673474)
# @dhinchcliffe @rawn As @jhagel has noted, it's not process but exception handling where #socbiz often shines. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365172289999872000)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to processes (twitter.com/_/status/365172455477739520)
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@tylerstalder @audreywatters I really think you’d enjoy #osfw3c. (twitter.com/_/status/365172473446154240)
# @benwerd A lot of these enterprise topics also apply to institutions like universities, too. Worth talking across sectors. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365172481792802816)
# @dhinchcliffe RT @ellenfeaheny: #osfw3c attendees from Ford, Jive, IBM, Boeing, Apache, UCSF, BroadVision, Apache, Mozilla, SugarCRM, AT&T, TIBCO, Orange… (twitter.com/_/status/365172540982833152)
# @lehawes MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholeheartedly agree. (twitter.com/_/status/365172732800929797)
# Loqi integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE8fS4YtBV)
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@fdevillamil RT @benwerd: I think the #indieweb has a lot of potential to be the basis of that extensible set of standards. http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html (twitter.com/_/status/365172894214520833)
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# @fdevillamil RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365173144203427841)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c key elements of social standards: capture(import), organize(identity,link,search), exchange(filter, security) (twitter.com/_/status/365173150255808512)
# @kevinmarks RT @lehawes: MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholehearte… (twitter.com/_/status/365173171705487361)
# @ellenfeaheny #osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ... (twitter.com/_/status/365173312327925760)
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@ggatin RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c "Wikipedia as a process that replaced formal processes" - see http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page for replacing standards proces… (twitter.com/_/status/365176815624531969)
# @dhinchcliffe Great convo today with @Boeing's @annbass re: their #EnSw integrated Insite #socbiz platform used by 80K+ workers. A great story. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365178416128983040)
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@brennannovak Impressed by @daltonc and the https://join.app.net/ crew for embracing #IndieWeb standards and writing a... http://bnvk.me/ws4 (twitter.com/_/status/365178926542241792)
# @dhinchcliffe Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/enterprise/2011/08/why_the_next_app_you_use_might_be_in_a_social_network.php #EnSw (twitter.com/_/status/365180088511246336)
# @rawn RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to proces… (twitter.com/_/status/365181981463965696)
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@DowBrook RT @ellenfeaheny "#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ..." Pleased to be here, Ellen. Thanks for hosting! (twitter.com/_/status/365182057741172736)
# @lehawes RT @ellenfeaheny "#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ..." Pleased to be here, Ellen. Thanks for hosting! (twitter.com/_/status/365182060027052033)
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# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook too (twitter.com/_/status/365183900043059200)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: we decided that Atom was very heavyweight and moved to JSON, and then worked on common objects in activitystrea.ms (twitter.com/_/status/365184053692993537)
# @billchristian #osfw3c Open Graph or http://Schema.org Are the two solving the same problem? Which would I adopt for green field apps? (twitter.com/_/status/365184190368591872)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook too (twitter.com/_/status/365184260757393409)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: Crushpath shifted from activity streams to setting up a pitch site for anything eg http://crushpath.me/monica pitches me (twitter.com/_/status/365184475388317696)
# Loqi software already in the enterprise #osfw3c” (http://twtr.io/bECsHs5zYJ)
# @ellenfeaheny RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook… (twitter.com/_/status/365184641314988032)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: the users we have at crushpath are not super techy - we do client-side integrations to Facebook, Twitter etc (twitter.com/_/status/365184650114629633)
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@appfusions RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to proces… (twitter.com/_/status/365184796940447745)
# @ellenfeaheny RT @dhinchcliffe: Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/365184841047736322)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: we want people to login with systems they are familiar with like Twitter and Facebook, but Google forces a plus profile (twitter.com/_/status/365184960820285442)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: we put activity streams everywhere, because it is very general. I can map FB OGP to activity streams if I need to (twitter.com/_/status/365185207915134978)
# @appfusions RT @lehawes: MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholehearte… (twitter.com/_/status/365185292853972992)
# @lehawes @ciberch talking about @crushpath's use of activitystrea.ms for common UX across integrations with multiple social sites/services. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365185320582512641)
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# @lidingpku RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: the users we have at crushpath are not super techy - we do client-side integrations to Facebook, Twitter … (twitter.com/_/status/365185483300544514)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: I use PubSubHubbub to alert customers about new information. It was great that there were so many Open Source tools (twitter.com/_/status/365185487029288963)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: Standards help me develop faster, because there is a lot of existing code and examples to work with (twitter.com/_/status/365185663332651008)
# @jasnell RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: we put activity streams everywhere, because it is very general. I can map FB OGP to activity streams if … (twitter.com/_/status/365185741258625024)
# @dhinchcliffe Interesting to hear @ciberch's list of #socbiz standards she's used including OAuth, Pubsubhubbub, Open Graph. and Activity Streams. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365185823571836928)
# Loqi Contact mgmt apis disparate (http://twtr.io/bEDNchqYtL)
# @dhinchcliffe Best quote from @ciberch from her @crushpath experiences: "I believe open #socbiz standards help people ship products faster." #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365186135032467456)
# @socialmediaclub Enjoying listening to enthusiasm of @ciberch talking about the innovative use of activity stream models @Crushpath. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365186169379631104)
# Loqi for SSO links and for real time pushes/notifications (http://twtr.io/bEDTmNpp56)
# @benwerd Refreshing listening to @ciberch talking about Crushpath: very on-point examples, and sensible asks of the w3c. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365186238199775234)
# @katmandelstein Enjoying listening to enthusiasm of @ciberch talking about the innovative use of activity stream models @crushpath. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365186303786090496)
# Loqi for SSO links and for real time pushes/notifica… (http://twtr.io/bEDWxocH9L)
# @rawn True. What happens to Business when majority are exceptn?>RT @dhinchcliffe: Not process but Exceptions where #socbiz shines #osfw3c @jhagel (twitter.com/_/status/365186417753722880)
# @lehawes Hearing desire for basic social functions (e.g. liking, sharing) to be standardized and built into web browsers. HTML5 Components? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365186604123439104)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Eric Meeks: UCSF profiles are based on open source code from Harvard. We added Shindig to an unofficial version of the source (twitter.com/_/status/365186823338721280)
# @katmandelstein MT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote from @ciberch of @crushpath "I believe open #socbiz standards help people ship products faster." #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365186938707247104)
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@nodoTIC RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/_/status/365187079011303424)
# @lehawes RT @rawn: What happens to Business when majority are exceptn?>RT @dhinchcliffe: Not process but Exceptions where #socbiz shines #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365187123814465536)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Eric Meeks: the OpenSocial Person data model was not a good match for researchers - a PR and technical challenge (twitter.com/_/status/365187349111521280)
# @appfusions RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/_/status/365187536206831616)
# @ellenfeaheny RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Eric Meeks: UCSF profiles are based on open source code from Harvard. We added Shindig to an unofficial version of … (twitter.com/_/status/365187663692697600)
# @katmandelstein Linked Open Data is a standard supported by many publicly funded institutions for expressing semantic data. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365187862427213825)
# Loqi SW already in enterprise #osfw3c” (http://twtr.io/bEE8VE0pM5)
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@t made it to #osfw3c workshop. Those of us with our own #indieweb domains are writing them on our badges in red Sharpie. (ttk.me t4RQ3) (twitter.com/_/status/365188320319377408)
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bret academia needs more http://worrydream.com/Tangle/ before social imo
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@simonstl The IndieWeb as a minimally viable social web ecosystem - http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html (twitter.com/_/status/365188723199066112)
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@annbass Eric Meeks: 'developers not being intimidated counts for a lot' #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365188968066711553)
# @ellenfeaheny Eric Meeks just described very nice use case exs of OpenSocial integrations in play at UCSF. #momentum #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365189223067824128)
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@superfeedr RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: I use PubSubHubbub to alert customers about new information. It was great that there were so many Open So… (twitter.com/_/status/365189437367795712)
# @appfusions Core! "RT @annbass: Eric Meeks: 'developers not being intimidated counts for a lot' #osfw3c " (twitter.com/_/status/365189465259520000)
# @lehawes Interesting. Boeing makes creation of a profile in their ent. social network an opt-in process. Half of employees have done so. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365189638987583488)
# @jasnell #osfw3c from what I'm hearing, the activity streams 2.0 proposal fits right in with requirements being discussed (twitter.com/_/status/365189913244729344)
# @t just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4) (twitter.com/_/status/365190025815666689)
# @harryhalpin Great talk by @ciberch about how ActivistyStreams allows Crushpath noticing that having OGP process owned by Facebook is a pain #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365190057205837825)
# @fdevillamil RT @t: just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4) (twitter.com/_/status/365190361591058432)
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@ProcessSphere Its live! Workshop on Social Standards: The Future of Business follow #osfw3c for live streaming http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html #social #bpm (twitter.com/_/status/365190638620258304)
# @lehawes Boeing's inSite ESN built on JAVA and Apache tools. No login needed. It does have SSO, but also supports anonymous users. inSite #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365190867234992128)
# @katmandelstein MT @lehawes: Interesting. Boeing makes creation of profile in their ent. social network opt-in process.1/2 employees have done so. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365191045266411520)
# @katmandelstein The Boeing Insight enterprise social network uses widgets to make it easy for users to add content to the network. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365191434594291712)
# @appfusions Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz (Big request we get alot too. Single userbase of truth) #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365191439375798275)
# @rawn #osfw3c Thinking aloud: "What are 3 social objects (technical) would you say are absolutely essential to your use case / scenario?" (twitter.com/_/status/365191568543592448)
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@ciberch Done with #osfw3c talk. I hope it was useful to other implementors. Thanks @kevinmarks for your live tweeting - lets catch up ! (twitter.com/_/status/365191584746192896)
# @rawn #osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thoughts @annbass ? (twitter.com/_/status/365191902993186816)
# @aaronpk Much utility of enterprise social networks is finding the right people to talk to within an organization. #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/3/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365192171449618432)
# @ellenfeaheny I heard auth ? RT @rawn: #osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thoughts @annbass ? (twitter.com/_/status/365192174972833792)
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# @rawn #osfw3c @eric_meeks UCSF #top3 seems: profiles, data integration (linked data/Opensocial) and ??? (twitter.com/_/status/365192523347537920)
# @katmandelstein RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365192605782384640)
# @ellenfeaheny W/ every #osfw3c speaker, heat goes up - very interesting to be in same room w/so many people committed to solving integrated social biz. (twitter.com/_/status/365192846623518720)
# @kevinmarks RT @aaronpk: Much utility of enterprise social networks is finding the right people to talk to within an organization. #osfw3c (http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/365192852612988928)
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@bduperrin RT @katmandelstein: RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365193131224211456)
# Loqi [mention] http://inkdroid.org/journal/2013/08/07/notes-on-social-mobilization-and-the-networked-public-sphere/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (pingback)
# Loqi [@rawn] #osfw3c startup http://memect.com talking human-centered design approach to how do we remember across various social &
# Loqi walled gardens (http://twtr.io/bEG09tue0H)
# @lehawes RT @katmandelstein: Boeing's 3 tenets for their enterprise social network: Find something, Share something, Ask something. #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365193388389187584)
# @rawn RT @ellenfeaheny: I heard auth ? RT @rawn: #osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thought… (twitter.com/_/status/365193404218867712)
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@dmi RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365193727251595264)
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# @lehawes People are central to social computing. So, IMO, standards dev should focus first on profile and identity. Then system interop. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365193757949313025)
# @t if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365194315774963712)
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@driessen RT @lehawes Ford Motor Co's Ed Krebs "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect w/ other enterprise syst #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365194370938454016)
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@getify RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365194377418641408)
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@SinanTaga RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365194379176468480)
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@pxlape RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365194405033951233)
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@sull RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365194534101073920)
# @rawn So @jasnell, you're saying the atomic objects are: identity, network, context #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365194574706122752)
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@alvincrespo RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365195138789679106)
# @kevinmarks RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365195144988860417)
# Loqi identity then system interopability. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEGeh_bTE8)
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@jakeludington RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365195183719448576)
# Loqi [@rawn] No but http://Wikispeed.org can. It is possible>
# Loqi RT @lehawes Ford Motor Co's @edkrebs "we don't design cars in [Social]." #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEGfFL2TLY)
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@chuq RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365195234096844801)
# @dhinchcliffe @rawn @jasnell I'd suggest the #socbiz base objects are 1) identity 2) structure (social graph, context), 3) flow (activity streams) #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365195252425953280)
# @t @manusporny - am not going to link to a *PDF* about proposed *web* technologies (however bloated). #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ6) (twitter.com/_/status/365195271489077248)
# @lehawes Ghost of Doug Engelbart pervading Memect presentation at #osfw3c. Talking about extended and collective memory created by working socially. (twitter.com/_/status/365195533121368064)
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# @t new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twitter.com/_/status/365195886940258304)
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@sgillies RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365195923032248320)
# @lidingpku RT @lehawes: Ghost of Doug Engelbart pervading Memect presentation at #osfw3c. Talking about extended and collective memory created by work… (twitter.com/_/status/365196008466038785)
# @lehawes RT @dhinchcliffe I'd suggest #socbiz base objects are 1) identity 2) structure (social graph, context) 3) flow (activity streams). #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365196065328214016)
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@cstanhope RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365196074455416832)
# @katmandelstein Interesting: Bank of America now has more customers accessing via #mobile than traditional PC or laptop web connectivity. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365196228683776000)
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@davidillsley RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365196237399523328)
# @rawn debated yesterday Activity streams turning into sewers. Filters may work then we have freq filter failure @dhinchcliffe @jasnell #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365196521026752512)
# Loqi hCrad, XFN, hAtom in microformats #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEHAfa3wSf)
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@ewg118 RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365196673988829184)
# Loqi Not well solved yet. (http://twtr.io/bEHCqu4aV5)
# @rawn @dhinchcliffe @jasnell "context" is structure but can be heavily overloaded. Or perhaps there's a BNF or RDF for that #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365196789248311297)
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@applemcg RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twitter.com/_/status/365196847574290434)
# @lehawes Fitting that conversation fragmentation exists at #osfw3c discussion on social standards. Some using Twitter, others IRC backchannel. (twitter.com/_/status/365196982362456064)
# @rawn #osfw3c Dan Schutzer /BITS is literally describing Project VRM right now (twitter.com/_/status/365197125774090240)
# @aaronpk @lehawes and some are using both! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-07/line/1375904709 #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/3/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365197218841497600)
# Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/3/osfw3c linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-07/line/1375904709 (webmention)
# @katmandelstein @Tank18SF Thanks for hosting #osfw3c! Cool space for the event. (twitter.com/_/status/365197301666414594)
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@KeriHenare RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twitter.com/_/status/365197556826902529)
# @katmandelstein @dhinchcliffe Run into multiple user profile issues at clients all the time. This should be table stakes...we need a solution. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365198062622216193)
# @annbass Our brains can host about 2.5 pedabytes, but information is contained in silos with small amounts of information #osfw3c @lidingpku (twitter.com/_/status/365198075184152576)
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@aslakr RT @t: just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4) (twitter.com/_/status/365198228951924736)
# @aslakr RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365198243254517760)
# @katmandelstein RT @annbass: Our brains can host about 2.5 pedabytes, but information is contained in silos with small amounts of information #osfw3c... (twitter.com/_/status/365198270567419905)
# bret aaronpk: send this to that person commenting about twitter vs irc: http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png (if you want)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Q: the 'teenager' data model baked into the standard discourages adoption [er, optional fields are optional] (twitter.com/_/status/365198437077090304)
# @t @annbass here's a good start: http://indiewebcamp.com/social-standards #microformats #hcard #hentry #webmention #xfn #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ8) (twitter.com/_/status/365198561807306753)
# @rawn We don't have a data model for that :) RT @annbass: Our brains can host 2.5 petabytes, but information is in silos #osfw3c @lidingpku (twitter.com/_/status/365198684222267392)
# @kevinmarks RT @t: @annbass here's a good start: http://indiewebcamp.com/social-standards #microformats #hcard #hentry #webmention #xfn #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ8) (twitter.com/_/status/365198880066899969)
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@rknLA RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twitter.com/_/status/365198993162121216)
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@larrysalibra RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365199052335362048)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Q: one of the immense pains in the butt of working for a big company is the lawyers - wouldn't even let us donate test cases to w3c (twitter.com/_/status/365199248163213312)
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@ArthurThornton RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365199372306231297)
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# Loqi Data = What info is important #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEJRTEcNR5)
# @t really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9) (twitter.com/_/status/365200805986447363)
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@techKeith Impressed with the amount of Enterprise Linked Data and RDF/OWL adoption being shared today. More than I expected. Good to see. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365201346707722241)
# @veganstraightedge RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twitter.com/_/status/365201347554979842)
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@julien51 RT @t: really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9) (twitter.com/_/status/365201690804641792)
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@briankenn RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365201865967169536)
# @t @annbass if someone does not know enough HTML to publish specs+slides, they know not enough to innovate on top #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQA) (twitter.com/_/status/365202589417091072)
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@Hasgaroth RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365204086570098688)
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@davidmead RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365204742303002625)
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@joshuajuran RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365205496719872000)
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@haddnin RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365205796075732992)
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@stilkov RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365206887601807360)
# @katmandelstein Tasty Mayan food from http://pocchuc.com for lunch, interesting seasonings. Thanks for supporting #osfw3c! (twitter.com/_/status/365207828589322240)
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@Musebrarian RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365209312219910144)
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@hamnis RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365213066021306368)
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@dvdsmpsn “@katmandelstein: RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c” (twitter.com/_/status/365213356518416384)
# @fdevillamil @t do you mean that #osfw3c actually stands for Open Source FireWall 3 something? (fv.gs ZzixyV) (twitter.com/_/status/365213761570746370)
# Loqi We're past due! (http://twtr.io/bEPPfzbsBj)
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@PaddySweeney01 RT @JimLundy: @dhinchcliffe @rawn @opensocial Focus was on Enterprises that are doing their own widgets. Lots are. #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365214140819718144)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c the day when men form a line. should we pay advance for unexpected use? https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365215112556052482/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365215112556052482)
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@ordnungswprog RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365218036883939328)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c challenges in mobile social web: trust, scalability, ux . #att https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365218149727076352/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365218149727076352)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c "challenges for mobile social networks" by Laurent-Walter Goix (Telecom Italia) and Bryan Sullivan (AT&T) http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/Opportunities%20and%20challenges%20for%20standard%20Mobile%20Social%20Networks.pdf (twitter.com/_/status/365218962314760193)
# @annbass Fantastic food from http://pocchuc.com for #osfw3c workshop. YUM! (twitter.com/_/status/365219329316372480)
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@Gkellogg RT @eric_meeks: If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365219500594954241)
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@danbri RT @jasnell: #osfw3c from what I'm hearing, the activity streams 2.0 proposal fits right in with requirements being discussed (twitter.com/_/status/365219641544548352)
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@JBezivin RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365219841491210241)
# @danbri RT @harryhalpin: For those that want to follow the discussion for the social workshop, check out http://irc.w3.org channel #osfw3c for… (twitter.com/_/status/365220282396454913)
# @Gkellogg At #osfw3c, @eric_meeks rocking with JSON-LD at UCSF for social applications: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/LinkedDataOpenSocial.pdf (twitter.com/_/status/365220290009104384)
# @rawn Listening to the eCousin project http://www.ict-ecousin.eu/ on making Content Distribution services more social-aware #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365220558574587906)
# Loqi is why we need social tools - @MCrawfordUSNvet RT @dhinchcliffe @kevinmarks #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bERjX6pSbp)
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# @benwerd Interesting ideas from Telecom Italia about prefetching content based on your social interests using unused bandwidth. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365220921633546241)
# @benwerd I absolutely do not want my devices to prefetch content that I haven't explicitly indicated I'm interested in subscribing to. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365221109123133440)
# @rawn #osfw3c the eCousin approach vaguely reminds me of Blackberry content distribution mgmt and prefetching info http://ow.ly/nJ7jS (twitter.com/_/status/365221300500836352)
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# @jasnell @benwerd HTTP/2 server push might mean you wouldn't have a choice in the matter #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365222567495208962)
# @benwerd RT @jasnell: @benwerd HTTP/2 server push might mean you wouldn't have a choice in the matter #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365222627285020672)
# @rawn #osfw3c I don't recall that story from Marty Cooper but I get to play with that very cellphone of his. :) (twitter.com/_/status/365222717173137408)
# Loqi I want to actively retrieve. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bESekk7DzV)
# @Gkellogg IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365223278723342336)
# @jasnell RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365223566704246785)
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@manusporny RT @eric_meeks: If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365223601005268994)
# @rawn #osfw3c @jasonroygary "I think roles are one of the killer app of social" I'd say there's no such thing as a role. it's a limit on reality (twitter.com/_/status/365223725131501568)
# @ciberch RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365224238094888960)
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@sjhuskey RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365224324585631744)
# @jasnell @rawn @jasonroygary Roles emerge at the intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365224424741416961)
# @ciberch @Gkellogg pubsub also mqtt at IBM Collaboration Group /cc @andypiper @jasnell #osfw3c #makessense (twitter.com/_/status/365224735962972160)
# @jasnell @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365225202059182080)
# @rawn Context can be highly variable >>RT @jasnell: @jasonroygary Roles emerge at intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365225235072557056)
# @ciberch Thanks, but I still don't want to write RDF #osfw3c JSON-LD now is starting to intrigue me... (twitter.com/_/status/365225498818777089)
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@webtechman @appfusions Federated User Profiles in Social Software could happen with an extended version of #gravatar in the Enterprise #osfw3c #socbiz (twitter.com/_/status/365226006635753474)
# @rawn @jasnell It's Predefined / expected in-advance roles vs. Context-derived roles w/ highly varaible/unique scenarios #osfw3c @jasonroygary (twitter.com/_/status/365226016978907137)
# @jasnell @ciberch I don't think any sane person would ever want to write RDF. JSON-LD gives us something more tangible and immediately useful #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365226092979695616)
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# @t Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twitter.com/_/status/365226452943249408)
# @jasnell @rawn @jasonroygary What are the real differences between those? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365226490352250881)
# @webtechman RT @rawn: Context can be highly variable >>RT @jasnell: @jasonroygary Roles emerge at intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365226580215218178)
# @aaronpk @benwerd Agreed for un-related content, but the use cases described in HTTP 2.0 push seem reasonable... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/4/osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365226938324877312)
# @pxlape RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twitter.com/_/status/365227004913664001)
# @benwerd @aaronpk Agree with you. HTTP 2.0 is about faster delivery, not pre-emptively sending you completely unrelated content. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365227193384710144)
# @kevinmarks RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twitter.com/_/status/365227467088199681)
# @Gkellogg RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twitter.com/_/status/365227573678063617)
# aaronpk benwerd: another one for you: SIOC http://sioc-project.org/
# @rawn @jasnell Are you here in the osfw3c workshop in person or listening in? (twitter.com/_/status/365228023903039489)
# @ciberch @jasnell I still prefer our simple http://activitystrea.ms JSON best. Less "developer friction" /cc @kevinmarks #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365228864621912065)
# @benwerd Roles fundamentally don't fit into my view of the world, but I grudgingly understand the need in traditional enterprise structures. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365229099540676608)
# bret aaronpk: see number 7: http://dashes.com/anil/2013/07/rules-of-internet.html
# @jasnell @ciberch yeah which is why the AS 2.0 proposal is defined the way it is... aligned with JSON-LD without going all in /cc @kevinmarks #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365229488059072513)
# @kevinmarks @ciberch @jasnell so @context is the new profile attribute on the head? cc @t #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365229700030795777)
# @ciberch @kevinmarks @jasnell meh with @'s in front of key names, code like obj = Hashie::Mash.new(JSON.parse(response)) will fail #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365229823280414720)
# aaronpk whoa tantek this one's already in google! http://tantek.com/2013/219/t9/wondering-osfw3c-code-products-permalinks-web-firewall
# @jasnell @ciberch No, AS 2.0 doesn't use the @'s. /cc #osfw3c @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/365230103686430723)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c sameas + provenance again. key to data integration in social web. (twitter.com/_/status/365230649629618177)
# @ciberch @jasnell ok cool I approve :) Have we found people who want to be asms 2.0 implementors ? #osfw3c /cc @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/365230706370166784)
# @jasnell Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365230726720925696)
# @lehawes Discussing concept of 'roles' at #osfw3c workshop. Tough to understand what role someone in an organization is playing, as it can shift. (twitter.com/_/status/365230772598214658)
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# @benwerd Predictions of the death of Active Directory and LDAP. "Those are dinosaurs", to be replaced by rich profiles. Amen. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365231202510180353)
# @t @ciberch which specs in what open web sites? URLs? @harryhalpin intranet-only specs are as dead as ActiveX. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQC) (twitter.com/_/status/365231367031767041)
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@snoopdave RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365231369028251648)
# @harryhalpin @ciberch @jasnell question is backwards compatibility. JSON-LD wants @ context in header for JSON. Try as a AS default, no header? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365231431401750528)
# @rawn @jasnell @jasonroygary Are we making roles/context/interaction from social now sound too much like roles/Transactions/processes? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365231443443597312)
# @lehawes Thinking out loud: Could a Profile standard contain user information that could be used to understand contextual role? Tough nut. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365231478730276864)
# @rawn @jasnell @jasonroygary ie, Rather than dealing w/ the adhoc/variability of social, we're turning it into predictable process model #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365232105216671744)
# @jasnell @rawn Is there really a difference? /cc #osfw3c @jasonroygary (twitter.com/_/status/365232190004531202)
# @ciberch @t https://developers.google.com/+/api/latest/activities is using activitystrea.ms JSON #osfw3c - I was using their API yesterday. Superfeeder uses pubsubhubub (twitter.com/_/status/365232337128132609)
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# @jasnell @rawn I would argue that social in business is likely already a predictable process model /cc #osfw3c @jasonroygary (twitter.com/_/status/365232509568561152)
# @ciberch @t uses on the intranet and enterprise are valid as well and there are plenty #osfw3c IBM uses asms, Yammer's stream API and Chatter also (twitter.com/_/status/365232675352612865)
# @rawn @lehawes sounds like @jasnell are saying Roles are the intersection btwn Identity and Context objs in Opensocial. #osfw3c ie. they exist (twitter.com/_/status/365233113619636224)
# @lehawes #osfw3c workshop discussing benefits/challenges of a single, standardized web browser. IMO, social standards baked into HTML5 = better. (twitter.com/_/status/365233182502699008)
# @toddbarnard RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365233588947521539)
# @lehawes @jasnell @rawn Not sure social is a 'process', but there are definitely 'patterns' that can be defined and leveraged. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365233643142119425)
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# @harryhalpin @jasnell @ciberch Link headers are rare, try as @context a default in AS spec. Perhaps discourage @ convention and assume default. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365233703204560898)
# @ciberch @t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365233707440799745)
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# @jasnell RT @ciberch: @t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365234113856282625)
# Loqi RT @jasnell: social in business is likely already a predictable process model #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEWcgYYwbG)
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christopheducamp.com created /social-standards-fr (+1586) "[fr:first draft translation]" (view diff)
# @t @harryhalpin PuSH yes. OGP? Who consumes besides FB (+ some Twitter)? Rest are dead or intranet-only (dying). #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQD) (twitter.com/_/status/365234556183384065)
# @kevinmarks hmm, http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/schema.pdf says it can't load the PDF. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365234674538262529)
# @benwerd @kevinmarks If only there was another format to represent textual information on the web. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365234905896062977)
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@hmendes RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365237577030172672)
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@januszesser RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365237621842128896)
# @benwerd One notable absence from #osfw3c - where are the browser vendors?? (Mozilla aside - and kudos to them for being here.) (twitter.com/_/status/365238100118601728)
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@dehora RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365241629315047424)
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# @harryhalpin @benwerd Shane from Mozilla is here, and Dmitri from Chrome will be here tomorrow. We did ask MS to send us an IE guy but no show. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365242410994896896)
# brianloveswords tantek: hello!
# Loqi aims for consistency. A pattern is more flexible" Agree 100% Not just semantics #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEZ_h6635b)
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@metropolis81 Thanks Everyone for The Kind Attention from Fabio and the whole e-cousin Group I represented here! #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365242683918270464)
# brianloveswords tantek: I'm not, I'm currently at the DIY.org office – how late is the tank18 thing going?
# brianloveswords This place looks pretty rad
# aaronpk brianloveswords: talks until 5:30, mingling until 7 http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
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@gfxman RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365242835806601216)
# tantek.com edited /Google+ (+186) "note Activities API, thanks to @ciberch for the URL" (view diff)
# @metropolis81 RT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "challenges for mobile social networks" by Laurent-Walter Goix (Telecom Italia) and Bryan Sullivan (AT&T) http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/365243323327328257)
# @gfxman Vibrant discussions and coverage of the day so far via Twitter is going on at #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365243502017257472)
# brianloveswords aaronpk: ah ha! I will try to make it out there a little later if I can.
# brianloveswords In any case, I'm gonna try to crash the workshop tomorrow.
# @harryhalpin @kevinmarks http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/schema.pdf should work now. There was some odd error on W3C site, just reloaded file. Its his slides #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365243829986656260)
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# @t @ciberch thanks for G+ API link. Looks proprietary, based on but not actually ActivityStreams: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google%2B#Activities (ttk.me t4RQE) (twitter.com/_/status/365244072635547648)
# @aaronpk Two interesting sites built the morning of #osfw3c day 1: http://twtr.io/ and http://www.fatberg.org/ (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365244344325771264)
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# @jasnell Sitting here amusing myself imagining @t cursing quietly to himself every time a PPT or PDF presentation goes up on the screen... ;) #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365244490098806784)
# @lehawes Learning about JSON-LD at #osfw3c. Way down in the weeds for me, but very useful all the same. (twitter.com/_/status/365244710371074048)
# brianloveswords I have not understood JSON-LD ever.
# brianloveswords aaronpk, I support this move.
# shaners aaronpk: wrt twtr.io, https://twitter.com/statuses/[tweet id] also expands to the correct url
# shaners (in addition to the https://twitter.com/_/status/[tweet-id] that you're using)
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# @Gkellogg RT @jasnell: @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365247313133834240)
# @t @ciberch intranet-only (or centric) specs fail (WS-*). Standards succeed in the open, then enterprise adopts. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQF) (twitter.com/_/status/365247386471243776)
# @ciberch @t not advocating for intranet-only specs. I only advocate for the best solutions I see to common problems #open #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365248001796603904)
# @Gkellogg RT @harryhalpin: @ciberch @jasnell ideally, @context in doc, or HTTP header. With different media type could also be implicit. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365248376113074177)
# @metropolis81 RT @rawn: Listening to the eCousin project http://www.ict-ecousin.eu/ on making Content Distribution services more social-aware #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365248383725735936)
# @vassko finished a fascinating session at Ricoh checking their new collaboration apps and connected projectors. Cool stuff, next #osfw3c integration (twitter.com/_/status/365248564345049088)
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# @t @ciberch if your spec is only adopted by intranet, it's intranet-only. specs without open web traction fail. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQG) (twitter.com/_/status/365249706831519744)
# shaners JSON-LD vs HTML+mf2 : https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849
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@davidcmoulton RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365250603867324416)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c the pains with ontology/taxonomy: (1) create it and reach consensus (2) use it to classify things and reach consensus. (twitter.com/_/status/365250808318672896)
# @t #osfw3c #Schema-org talk: is nonstarter for open web due to no RF patent license for consuming: http://schema.org/docs/terms.html (ttk.me t4RQH) (twitter.com/_/status/365250999516008449)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): verb actions inherit from a hierarchy starting at Thing, so AppendAction looks like: http://sdo-actions.appspot.com/AppendAction (twitter.com/_/status/365251354215727104)
# @kevinmarks ah bugger, my auth got borked and my live tweets didn't go out #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365251711775936514)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @GKellogg: The goal of JSON-LD is to express information in JSON and allow that to be interpreted without apriori knowledge (twitter.com/_/status/365251971147513857)
# Loqi use http so they can be resolved (http://twtr.io/bEbyBGWGjo)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @GKellogg: a @context is a key added to a JSON document that defines the vocabulary used within it in terms of URIs (twitter.com/_/status/365252068316954624)
# Loqi [@kevinmarks] #osfw3c NB @GKellogg is using http://json-ld.org/context/person in his example
# Loqi it doesn't resolve. Violating his own stated principle (http://twtr.io/bEc0zfgyBC)
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# @Gkellogg RT @Gkellogg: @AlBaker_Dev JSON-LD for social web slides: http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/gkellogg1/jsonld-json-for-the-social-web #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365252206410207232)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @GKellogg: one great use of JSON-LD is JSON, so can be used within Mongo, thought Mongo forbids @ and URI's as keys [whut?] (twitter.com/_/status/365252232247119872)
# @t #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twitter.com/_/status/365252310659633152)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): this is closer to SOAP or WDL - wouldn't Google be more powerful if we can describe what you can do on a site? (twitter.com/_/status/365252400971386880)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): do verbs have arguments? If we think of verbs as functions, the semantic roles act as parameters (twitter.com/_/status/365252656987504640)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): We wanted the properties to be specific to verbs [seems a misunderstanding of generative grammar] (twitter.com/_/status/365252688755175427)
# @lehawes OPENi is an interesting effort, funded by the EU, to provide one API for developers to use to access multiple web sites/services. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365252882053865473)
# @kevinmarks RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twitter.com/_/status/365253731127799809)
# @aaronpk Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/6/osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365254007100416002)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @Gkellogg so instead of looking up what the JSON means in one API doc, I have to read an arbitrary collection of URIs to grok it? (twitter.com/_/status/365254175866621952)
# @lidingpku #osfw3c tricky twitter search: realtime https://twitter.com/search-home vs delayed https://twitter.com/search-home (twitter.com/_/status/365254446512476164)
# @t #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twitter.com/_/status/365254484332515328)
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@royaki09 RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twitter.com/_/status/365254616587317249)
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@brianloveswords RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/365254639811182593)
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@kragen RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twitter.com/_/status/365254653052588032)
# @kevinmarks RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/365254664956035072)
# @lehawes XMPP has federation capabilities, among others, that many don't realize. A very under-appreciated and under-used standard. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365254711802208256)
# @lidingpku RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twitter.com/_/status/365254811148496896)
# @aaronpk @t So really what this means is I am not allowed to parse http://schema.org data from others sites?... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365255142850826240)
# @kevinmarks RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twitter.com/_/status/365255270076653569)
# @davidcmoulton RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twitter.com/_/status/365255359335628800)
# brianloveswords aaronpk, tantek : oh wow I didn't know that.
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@_jden RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/365255606388539393)
# brianloveswords I wonder what that means for LRMI – they recently got accepted into schema.org, http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/34236
# @brianloveswords RT @aaronpk: @t So really what this means is I am not allowed to parse http://schema.org data from others sites?... #osfw3c http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/365256020144046080)
# @rawn #osfw3c A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 (twitter.com/_/status/365256126910050305)
# @aaronpk Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/6/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365256205888798720)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Q: is context stateful or stateless? How does that affect middleware? (twitter.com/_/status/365256320603004928)
# aaronpk tantek: check it out, I threaded my reply to myself the same on my site and on twitter http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c
# @benwerd RT @t: #osfw3c #Schema-org talk: is nonstarter for open web due to no RF patent license for consuming: http://schema.org/docs/terms.html (ttk.me t4RQH) (twitter.com/_/status/365256569761439747)
# @jasnell @kevinmarks Stateful vs Stateless is not useful IMHO Context is relevant to varying periods of time. Some very long, some very short #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365256942819618818)
# @vassko RT @rawn: #osfw3c A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 (twitter.com/_/status/365257050810368001)
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@SafetyMentalst RT @ciberch: @t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365257245140848642)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: the mechanisms proposed for standards should be based on openly licensed proposals [unlike http://t.co/98smvqtMlr] (twitter.com/_/status/365257796473733120)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @benwerd: for federation we need technology that is small enough to actually be shipped, without worrying about upfront specs (twitter.com/_/status/365257985209016320)
# @ciberch RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @benwerd: for federation we need technology that is small enough to actually be shipped, without worrying about upf… (twitter.com/_/status/365258033791639552)
# @ciberch RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: the mechanisms proposed for standards should be based on openly licensed proposals [unlike http://t.co/98smvqtM… (twitter.com/_/status/365258083288625152)
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@eric_meeks #osfw3c So we need a process for specifications coming in and out of vogue, not a specification itself. Without being the wild wild west (twitter.com/_/status/365258192042729472)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @benwerd: Sam Goto asks if we think http://schema.org helps or harms the web. only 3 people say helps (twitter.com/_/status/365258395827187712)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Sam Goto is defending http://schema.org as a way fro Google to coordinate inside the company (twitter.com/_/status/365258615600332801)
# @benwerd RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @benwerd: Sam Goto asks if we think http://schema.org helps or harms the web. only 3 people say helps (twitter.com/_/status/365258627969327107)
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# @lehawes RT @eric_meeks: #osfw3c So we need a process for specifications coming in and out of vogue, not a specification itself. Without being the... (twitter.com/_/status/365258731350540288)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c Sam Goto: we didn't talk to the Activity Streams community because we talked to google employees who worked on it (twitter.com/_/status/365259645549420544)
# @lehawes Hearing greater support for activitystrea.ms than I expected at #osfw3c, at least among architects and developers. That's good for #socbiz. (twitter.com/_/status/365259761614192641)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google can consume it (twitter.com/_/status/365259832598609921)
# @benwerd Yeah! @t calling Google out on their very restrictive license for http://t.co/FQJObPpCv9. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365260022009171968)
# @kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: microformats, Open Graph Protocol et al use OWFa -schema.org should too. Sam Goto: I can't speak for legal (twitter.com/_/status/365260122357899264)
# @lidingpku RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twitter.com/_/status/365260227521687553)
# @lidingpku RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twitter.com/_/status/365260360841830402)
# @benwerd You can't say that you're on the side of openness and user rights if you assist interests that restrict openness and user rights. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365260634482425856)
# @kevinmarks RT @lehawes: Hearing greater support for activitystrea.ms than I expected at #osfw3c, at least among architects and developers. That's good… (twitter.com/_/status/365260662991101952)
# @webtechman RT @lehawes: Hearing greater support for activitystrea.ms than I expected at #osfw3c, at least among architects and developers. That's good… (twitter.com/_/status/365260766074503168)
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