#indiewebcamp 2013-08-07

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shaners
aaronpk: will you add a description of what the repo is at the top of your readme?
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shaners
And maybe a license file / at the bottom of the readme.
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shaners
ps. thanks for using a hyphen in your name and not CamelCase or under_scores.
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aaronpk
shaners: yea the license is at the bottom of the readme
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aaronpk
or will be when I commit
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aaronpk
there's also license info in contributing.txt
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aaronpk
not sure how it didn't make it into the first push. I must have had unsaved changes in my editor
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shaners
thanks for writing this up and publishing it.
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aaronpk
minor updates pushed
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bret
Is there a revision mediawiki tag?
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aaronpk
{{REVISIONYEAR}}
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bret
Whats the status of friends unhosted?
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@benwerd
A quick introduction to idno #indieweb http://werd.io/slides/52019c62bed7de435aa329dc
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aaronpk
bookmarked
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@ozten
RT @benwerd: A quick introduction to idno #indieweb http://werd.io/slides/52019c62bed7de435aa329dc
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tantek.com
created /social-standards (+1068) "draft"
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tantek
heading to 21st Amendment for eats & drinks!
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benwerd
Oh! Me too.
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@icco
RT @MozSF: #indiewebcamp SF hack day in full swing! Join @t Bret.io @brianloveswords in the 1st floor commons http://indiewebcamp.com/2013sfhd
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@benwerd
Looking forward to talking social, enterprise and #indieweb at #osfw3c this week.
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@veganstraightedge
@janaboruta @lstoll I'm writing up a talk proposal about the burgeoning #indieweb software movement to submit to #FutureStack. :D
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created /hupili (+29) "r"
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tantek.com
created /Hupili (+29) "r"
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tantek.com
created /osfw3c (+135) "stub"
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shaners
aaronpk: ping
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bret
I appologise for my bad bo today o.0
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bret
hot plane ride
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tantek
greetings programs
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tantek
bret - didn't notice.
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tantek
shaners - not sure that's how webmention works
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shaners
tantek :P
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tantek
shaners ;)
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shaners
tantek: is news.indiewebcamp.com you or aaron or both?
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tantek
aaronpk
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tantek
it's pretty slick
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shaners
hey there aaronpk!
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tantek.com
edited /osfw3c (+161) "more URLs"
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shaners
i've got an idea. related to news.iwc.com
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aaronpk
shaners: cool, shoot
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tantek
long domain-name is LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+0) "move indiewebsf hack day to past"
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shaners
i started it in 2010 with all kinds of gumption. posted a hand full of times. adactio did once (from iwc, the first). then it fell away
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aaronpk
oh yea i remember that
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shaners
i always meant it as a collaborative thing, but never got any collaboration
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tantek
it was like an indieweb medium
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shaners
and now news dot is kinda filling that void
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tantek
without all the nasty TOS stuff
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shaners
if people are into keeping it around and contributing to it, i'm fine with that. if not, i'll prolly absorb those posts into my blog and abandon the ship.
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shaners
so, aaronpk. is there some way to merge the projects?
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aaronpk
maybe? indienews is meant to be a discovery hub. no original content, just links to indieweb content.
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aaronpk
also it's a good testing ground for people implementing webmention and h-entry
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shaners
that's fair.
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bret
shaners: how did nomoresharecropping work?
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shaners
aaronpk tantek bret et al: anyone interested in cross posting #indieweb articles to a central place. for a unified marketing effort kinda thing.
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shaners
bret: it's just a jekyll site. markdown files on gh-pages.
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bret
ah so submit a pr with content?
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shaners
i hand out commit bit pretty liberally
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aaronpk
shaners: I think having a central place goes against the indieweb principles unless it's a syndication hub
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shaners
aaronpk: there will be a central aggregator. whether we like it or not. you know?
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aaronpk
yes, which is why I pre-emptively made indienews, to demonstrate how to be a "responsible" aggregator
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bret
i always thought that a community blog would be a better format for news.indiewebcamp, like a first iteration indie news agrigator with more than just the links.
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aaronpk
yea, I wouldn't be opposed to tweaking indienews a bit
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bret
like include the summary or something
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shaners
aaronpk: i think the blog feed format is a better reading experience than click click clicking on all of the links to read anything
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bret
links are good for high volume, but we dont have that yet
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tantek.com
edited /events/2013-08-06-hack-day (+848) "What Did We Do stub - a few things"
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aaronpk
so really what you're talking about is more like a planet
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bret
kinda
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bret
yeah
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bret
but maybe make it look like it was made within the last 5 years or so
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shaners
aaronpk: sure. to the old school wonks that remember planets. ;)
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aaronpk
linode's is still half decent https://planet.linode.com/
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aaronpk
wow I still even syndicate there somehow
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aaronpk
guess my 301 redirect of my old RSS feed is working
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tantek
shaners, so I'm not sure how that much different from http://indiewebcamp.com/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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bret
nice
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shaners
that page on the wiki is:
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bret
I should add my post to that list
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aaronpk
well the Posts_about_the_IndieWeb page is mostly posts submitted by people other than the author of the post
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shaners
1. not a real great experience for outsiders
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shaners
2. requires me to click on each link to read a story
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Loqi
agreed.
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shaners
WHO ARE YOU, Loqi!?
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tantek
I mean we could mark it up with h-entry
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Loqi
who, me?
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tantek
Loql, lulz
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shaners
Loqi, Yes you!
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bret
damnit Loqi
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tantek
Loqi you should tell shaners who you are.
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Loqi
lolz
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aaronpk
pretty much Loqi wins the internet
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shaners
pretty much
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bret
Loqi: back to your hidey hole
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shaners
so. lemme just say that:
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shaners
1: if no one's into participating in nomoresharecropping as a group blog with cross posts from our original sites (includes a canonical url link back to original), i'm fine with letting it wither away
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shaners
2: i think something like this is gonna happen one way or another. i single blog feed is a better reading experience.
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bret
shaners: can you pull it back to your own blog?
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bret
at least
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shaners
bret: i'll def re-absorb the posts
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bret
Alos not to be pedantic, but should the time element be in a h2 tag in a blog header?
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bret
if its right below the h1 title
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bret
also*
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shaners
bret: oh there's all kinds of markup that'd i'd re-write if i'm gonna keep it alive
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shaners
i built it in 2010 and have learned a lot since then
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shaners
also, mf2
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bret
no im not referring to anything on your site.. im talking in general
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tantek
shaners - what is the use-case for a group blog?
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tantek
vs. say a tag
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tantek
aggregation
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bret
im trying to redo my blog post templates so that they all share the same base template
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tantek
group-blog feels … cliquish
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tantek
bret you can make <time> wherever pretty much
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shaners
it's the same thing. this is just done manually. and only for now. it could be a tag aggregator.
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tantek
is thinking of some IFTTT action via POSSE'd tweets of blog posts
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tantek
by hashtag
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bret
I guess there is no semantic meaning to things beyond h1 then, so I should worry about it beyond what makse sense to me
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bret
shouldnt*
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shaners
tantek: at the very least, there'd need to be moderators/admins on an auto-aggregator. to deal with spam, hateful posts, harassment.
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shaners
tantek: i'm all fine with it being open to whoever posting to it. i'm all fine with the original posts being on our personal sites.
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shaners
i just think a unified feed would be good.
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shaners
nmsc.org was my low rent way of trying to get it going years ago
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tantek
shaners - so far the #indieweb hashtag on Twitter has been free of spam, hate, harrasment - and that's for years now
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tantek
so meh, I call theoretical
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shaners
how much time did you spend on the uf2 wiki spam today? ;)
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shaners
and either way, fine. no moderation to begin with. anyone can post anything.
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tantek
not applicable - we're talking about aggregating #indieweb posts - of which there's been no spam on
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shaners
tantek: and i'm saying fine, i agree with you. no moderation necessary.
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shaners
and again, if no one else thinks this is a good idea, i'll let it go.
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shaners
no big deal. no hurt feelings.
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tantek
could we morph it into a medium-parody?
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shaners
tantek: tell me more.
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tantek
what does "medium" mean in today's society?
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tantek
does it mean "average"?
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tantek
or does it mean what "large" used to mean?
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bret
I thought i meant the the artistic medium... like what medium is that person using?
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shaners
or maybe it means the format
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shaners
yeah. what bret said
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tantek
possible parodies: "tedium", "readium"
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tantek
"feedium"
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bret
greedium
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bret
snarfing content since 2012
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bret
err what were those info snorter things called in the futurama movie
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shaners
bret: are you using jekyll + ghpages?
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shaners
i need your help, please
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bret
whasup
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bret
what page is that from?
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shaners
i noticed that the site wasn't building on pushes. did a `jekyll build` locally. got all these parse errors in posts that have raw html in the markdown
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bret
crap
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bret
shaners: is that the same version you have on gh?
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shaners
i believe so
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shaners
i landed on their help docs from the build error email
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shaners
copy / pasta into gemfile. bundled. built.
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bret
let me play with it for a sec, I dont know the answer by peeking
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shaners
thx bret
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bret
shaners: I have no idea why maruku is being a butt, but add this to your _config.yaml
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bret
markdown: rdiscount
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bret
thats what I use instead
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bret
make sure you have it installed, its gh-pages compatable
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shaners
ok. why did you initially start using it? what do you like about it?
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bret
I think because of problems like this
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bret
I dont remember
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bret
I think I saw tom preston warner doing it and I just copied him
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bret
werner
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bret
warner
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shaners
sweet. it worked locally.
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bret
tends to be more stable
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shaners
aaand in "production". thanks, bret! :goldstar:
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shaners
Loqi: can you make :emoji: work in the channel, please?
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Loqi
yeah!
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bret
shaners: you can make travisci do test builds to with jekyll to, just grab my rake file and my .travis file
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bret
that way you can actually see why the build fails when you are editing right on GH
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shaners
what's your gh username?
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bret
oh and you need the rake configuration file
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shaners
roger that
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@gavinwye
@Patrick_Sansom yea hopefully. Ill also be down for @dconstruct and #indieweb camp in September
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bret
ok, i gotta sleep, 8am is super early
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bret
gnight
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shaners
bret: do it. thanks again.
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shaners
i'm out too. night all.
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tantek
still can't believe it's starting at 8am
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benwerd
me. either.
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benwerd
looks at his 6am alarm with distrust
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@BornThirsty
Good article on implementing "Prism Break" https://eschnou.com/entry/implementing-prism-break-62-25013.html #PrismBreak #IndieWeb
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@MailpileTeam
@jmsmcfrlnd Tent.io is cool. It's a splinter off of the FedSocWeb. We Mailpilers are more keen on the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com
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neuro`
Hello.
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aaronpk
good night!
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Loqi
sweet dreams
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@Erkan_Yilmaz
@mbjunior what permission do you talk about? Ideally:people should set up own #friendica, #statusnet instances: #ownYourData cc @Metztli_IT
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barnabywalters
woah amazing to see that app.net have rolled out mf2 support!
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barnabywalters
this is awesome
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: regarding mf2 parser not resolving relative URLs, is pin13.net not passing the URL as the 2nd param of new mf2\Parser()?
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barnabywalters
relative URL resolution is working fine for me, tests passing etc
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gjones
barnabywalters your right its nice to see uf2 support in a larger site
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barnabywalters
gjones: absolutely! let’s see if we can get them sending webmentions next :)
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waterpigs.co.uk
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bret
Morning iwc
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neuro`
Morning bret
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barnabywalters
smari mccarthy I presume? welcome to #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters
(if not, welcome anyway!)
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smari
It is I!
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smari
thanks :)
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barnabywalters
yay! congratulations on the mailpile release and fundraiser!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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smari
Thanks! We're trying to hit the target amount... everything is going good. Then we need to develop stuff. Right now, we've got a pretty clear list of things to do and quite a lot of great ideas for what to do thereafter
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smari
:D
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smari
it's going to be great!
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barnabywalters
yeah, I saw loads of good stuff in the GH issues
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barnabywalters
are you back in london now? how’s the new job going?
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smari
yup, in London now. Settling in, slowly.
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tigerfinch
Hey smari - just found about mailpile a few days ago, thought "oh, I should definitely put some money into that" then promptly forgot.
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tigerfinch
Just done it now :)
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tigerfinch
so thanks for inadvertently reminding me ;)
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smari
thanks for being inadvertently reminded!
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tigerfinch
:)
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benwerd
I wish Marcus would join the channel
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: lol that might be all it is
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mapkyca
@benwerd I have, just lurking... hi all :)
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benwerd
Oh! Hello. Marcus worked with me on Elgg (& is an old friend).
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barnabywalters
greetings mapkyca!
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mapkyca
greetings :)
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tantek
had trouble sleeping last night and is running late :/
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tantek
aaronpk, benwerd, can you guys braindump whatever Harry is saying into the Etherpad? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c
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aaronpk
sure. haven't started yet
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benwerd
I'm on 4 hours myself, but will attempt to do so in a non-Hunter S Thompson way
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tantek
bret, brianloves words - you guys too assuming you make it in!
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aaronpk
yeah I'm on like 5 hrs sleep, too heh
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benwerd
bret's with us
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bret
im here
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tantek
ok I added a few supposed agenda items
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tantek
I assume there's wifi at the venue?
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barnabywalters
waves to people on the etherpad
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aaronpk
tantek: yes there is, also there is a w3.org IRC channel
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barnabywalters
when are you guys doing your demos?
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aaronpk
tomorrow
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benwerd
I wish they'd shut the doors. Brrrr.
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aaronpk
i'm sure nobody would mind if you did
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: full schedule is here: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
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aaronpk
mind if I pipe osfw3c tweets into here?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: go for it! I got tired of checking http://tagboard.com/osfw3c
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bret
do it!
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benwerd
"IRC is an important tool for participating in the W3C." I find that such an incongruous statement
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@socialmediaclub
RT @rawn: Tweeting here from #osfw3c #socbiz workshop for today/tomorrow alongside @lehawes @katmandelstein @dhinchcliffe and others
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@AnaDataGirl
Folks interested in #socbiz should be checking #osfw3c for live tweets from W3C open standards workshop http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
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@socialmediaclub
RT @anadatagirl: Folks interested in #socbiz should be checking #osfw3c for live tweets from W3C open standards workshop...
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benwerd
tantek Wifi may be too crappy to use Etherpad
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aaronpk
i got disconnected just now, but wifi sesms pretty fast otherwise
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@benwerd
On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c Dion Hinchcliffe. big questions on social standards. problem? motivation? reuse or create? apps?
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@socialmediaclub
"There is a strong tendency in people to adopt new technology when they see other people like them doing the same. " -Geoffrey Moore #osfw3c
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@billchristian
RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe "Successful standards are hard to create. Most standards have very low level of adoption" #osfw3c
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe: "The chance for a standard to be successfully adopted in inversely proportional to its complexity-George Morimosato" #osfw3c
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@adamboyet
RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c
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@annbass
W3C / Open Social Foundation workshop on Social Business standards just starting #osfw3c #w3c
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@billchristian
Failure of the business is to deploy social networks on the side, not where work gets done, not a part of the work to achieve #osfw3c
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benwerd_
Had to move to my phone wifi. Will T-Mobile hold up all day? Let's see.
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aaronpk
benwerd_: i have pretty good verizon signal here too, can hop on that if you want
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@katmandelstein
One of the biggest challenges in #socialbiz is that in practice there is still isolation instead of integration via @dhinchcliffe #osfw3C
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe "Much of the recent focus has been connecting Social Media with the flow of work" #osfw3c - Note socmedia, not #socbiz
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@opensocial
Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise.
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bret
squints at the screen
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c good example of connecting walled garden: it would be great to bridge tweets and the IRC channel
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@opensocial
@dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c
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bret
sneaker net :D
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@lehawes
Just realized that I have sent a few tweets tagged #oscw3c, instead of #osfw3c. Fat fingered the tag the first time and copied and pasted it
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@harryhalpin
Great talk on Dion on social standards, looking at how simple RSS, unlike Web Services, enabled a social web #osfw3c #w3c
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@benwerd
Something we talk about at @latakoo: federated social platforms sitting in different divisions of an enterprise. #osfw3c
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aaronpk
switching to verizon hotspot. let's see if that's better
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@aaronpk
@lidingpku Yep! We're doing that with the #osfw3c tweets right now, feel free to join #indiewebcamp on... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/1/osfw3c-indiewebcamp
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aaronpk
yay my tweets show up here now!
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Loqi
yay!
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@lidingpku
@lehawes semantic twitter will simply put a statement like #oscw3c=@osfw3c
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@mattfranklin
Glad to hear @dhinchcliffe discussing social federation. I will be building on this later today http://t.co/WZLIAxJD37. #osfw3c
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@lehawes
RT @opensocial: @dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c
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@benwerd
90% of organizations will *require* BYOD by 2020, according to Gartner. I think that's a relief: much less of an IT bottleneck. #osfw3c
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@rawn
#osfw3c @dhinchcliffe Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards?
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@lehawes
@dhinchcliffe Fragmentation, walled gardens, biz models, lack of awareness/critical mass/'killer app' social standards are obstacles #osfw3c
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? Consumer social networks - very difficult to convince to adopt
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? Enterprise social media vendors - very accepting, but also most to loose
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@benwerd
Looking forward to demoing a lot of what @dhinchcliffe is talking about at #osfw3c tomorrow. #indieweb
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards?
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bret
Lots of interesting motivations
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? End-users - we are going to a world that end-users are the IT selectors
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@katmandelstein
RT @rawn: #osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? End-users - we are going to a world that end-users are the IT selectors
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@annbass
@t @w3c which specs should be mentioned, Tantek? #osfw3c
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@billchristian
So does the Social Web need an open implementation analogous to an SMTP server. #osfw3c
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aaronpk
changing the format of tweets
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aaronpk
prepare yourself
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for standards? IT managers - inside orgs, not a lot of competition
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Loqi
once decision made, not much to change it
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barnabywalters
^ “an open implementation” — no, not just one
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@weitzelm
RT @opensocial: Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise.
(twitter.com/weitzelm/status/365149111051227138)
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@natematias
@benwerd many manufacturers offer tool subsidies to mechanics in the form of grants and matched funds #osfw3c
(twitter.com/natematias/status/365149145318690816)
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@harryhalpin
For those that want to follow the discussion for the social workshop, check out http://irc.w3.org channel #osfw3c for live minutes
(twitter.com/harryhalpin/status/365149222959452160)
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@benwerd
RT @natematias: @benwerd many manufacturers offer tool subsidies to mechanics in the form of grants and matched funds #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365149244853723138)
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barnabywalters
those tweets are looking good Loqi, aaronpk
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Loqi
is done
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@lehawes
Point being made at #osfw3c as to the value of closed, private groups. How can we balance needs of openly-shared and private work?
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365149555538407424)
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c social web standards audience are those who can pay for it: enterprise--&gt;IT manager
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Loqi
market--&gt;consumer
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@lehawes
We need open #social standards to bridge walled communities/groups/teams working in different proprietary systems. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365150063686725633)
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@AnaDataGirl
RT @lehawes: We need open #social standards to bridge walled communities/groups/teams working in different proprietary systems. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/AnaDataGirl/status/365150208097017856)
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@benwerd
Hearing @eric_meeks from UCSF Medical talking about needing federated social. My mom is literally there right now. Want to help. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365150288543358976)
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@weitzelm
RT @opensocial: @dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c
(twitter.com/weitzelm/status/365150377177387011)
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bret
aaronpk: I like the new tweet format
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bret
is tantek coming?
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Loqi
yay!
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Loqi
giggles
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barnabywalters
aw, combo breaker
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@lehawes
@billchristian Not sure what you mean by last sentence. Be glad to discuss in-person, if you're at the #osfw3c workshop. :&gt;)
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365151257339506689)
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benwerd
do you think anyone would notice if I picked up the coffee urn, brought it over here, and suspended it over my gaping maw for a couple of minutes?
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bret
go for it
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@benwerd
"Simple standards are critical." Please check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365151782869024768)
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@lehawes
#osfw3c workshop participant correctly says that any #social standards need to be dead simple if they are to be adopted. Like email and RSS.
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365151811511914498)
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barnabywalters
email is *simple*?
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aaronpk
JSON was also mentioned
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aaronpk
cited*
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@rawn
#osfw3c #socbiz standards "It's easy to talk about generalities, but we will need to get to specific contexts/interactions of the problem."
(twitter.com/rawn/status/365152049140215808)
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@katmandelstein
RT @lehawes: #osfw3c workshop participant correctly says that any #social standards need to be dead simple if they are to be adopted....
(twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365152196918120449)
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@jessewilkins
@lehawes #osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc.
(twitter.com/jessewilkins/status/365152240236892160)
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mapkyca
I think email *was* simple, but has had too many things bolted on over the years...
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@vassko
What we need is "connections in all directions" by Ann Bassetti, Boeing #osfw3c #SocBiz
(twitter.com/vassko/status/365152389122101250)
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benwerd
RSS is simple, JSON is simple
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benwerd
Email is a cluster
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @dhinchcliffe Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards?
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@katmandelstein
RT @vassko: What we need is "connections in all directions" by Ann Bassetti, Boeing #osfw3c #SocBiz
(twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365152724028887040)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c ironic that at a standards meeting the power adaptor sockets are spaced too tightly to plug into
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365152752701145089)
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aaronpk
simple email is simple
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aaronpk
tantek: how about twtr.io for the algorithmic twitter URL shortener?
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@lehawes
RT @jessewilkins "#osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc." Good point!
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365153231543877632)
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@dhinchcliffe
Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365153281913262080)
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@billchristian
Collaborative solutions include employees, customer, partners, and suppliers with appropriate social context #osfw3c
(twitter.com/billchristian/status/365153334832799744)
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@katmandelstein
RT @billchristian: Collaborative solutions include employees, customer, partners, and suppliers with appropriate social context #osfw3c
(twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365153468354273280)
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@lidingpku
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365153713251295234)
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bret
Facebook is the man, man
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365153976628416512)
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bret
kids don't really tweet
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@toddbarnard
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools
(twitter.com/toddbarnard/status/365154102272991232)
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bret
I think I met 3 people who twat in college
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@vassko
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools
(twitter.com/vassko/status/365154175585222656)
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: "Simple standards are critical." Please check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ #osfw3c
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365154177409753088)
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@sutrosoftware
Antisocially late to #osfw3c. Hoping the APIs are not yet in place for people to unfriend me.
(twitter.com/sutrosoftware/status/365154184410038273)
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@lidingpku
80% employees do not use enterprise social network. not useful. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365154485619798017)
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@iSocial_Fanz
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw
(twitter.com/iSocial_Fanz/status/365154494356529152)
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barnabywalters
when I was in secondary school most of my friends loved facebook, thought twitter was stupid
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barnabywalters
I know one person who used it to consume news
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bret
Most young people still use Facebook in my experience
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c or, is there a strong enough need for social standards in enterprise. I bet not many bosses want employees to run twitter at work
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365154841519063040)
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@rawn
RT @lehawes: RT @jessewilkins "#osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc." Good point!
(twitter.com/rawn/status/365154893419790336)
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barnabywalters
I also lived out in the country, whereas twitter use tends to focus around large cities
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barnabywalters
actually, more of my school friends had their own websites than had twitter accounts :)
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bret
twitter is for 30 somethings
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@dhinchcliffe
"About 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools.” - @MCrawfordUSNvet HT @kevinmarks #osfw3c
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365155031156137984)
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@benwerd
"We think that's needed going forward is a set of web-based content standards." Microformats! http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2 #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365155107911897088)
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barnabywalters
^ yes yes yes
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bret
Thats the perception I have heard from a few people
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bret
young*
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Loqi
benwerd has 4 karma
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@lehawes
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365155437894582272)
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benwerd
It's really good to see all these enterprise folks turning against SOAP and BS standards that work against users & developers
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benwerd
The wind is changing
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bret
I have a creeping suspicion that the business world is mostly all about spinning wheels
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c essential components diagram has so much on it, it's illegible from the back of the room. Hmm.
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365156131535978497)
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@dhinchcliffe
Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dionh
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365156324750798849)
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bret
barnabywalters: missed it
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bret
I think the slides are online?
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barnabywalters
no problem, just wondering what all the components actually were :)
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mapkyca
@benwerd after many stressful occasions dealing with it, I'd pay good money to have SOAP taken out back and shot.
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bret
All i could see was colors and black dots
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Are the slides being shared? Would be helpful to take back and educate others
(twitter.com/billchristian/status/365156556754522114)
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@adamboyet
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw
(twitter.com/adamboyet/status/365156562207129600)
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@dhinchcliffe
Compelling to hear @Ford's @edkrebs say that he insists his #socbiz solutions are based on open standards. A great example. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365156759813373953)
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benwerd
@mapkyca let's kickstarter it
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@ASUG_Michigan
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #socialbiz tools
(twitter.com/ASUG_Michigan/status/365156908434329603)
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barnabywalters
benwerd: mapkyca: you can kickstarter killing something? kickstarter got weird
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@William_Newman
RT @ASUG_Michigan: RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #so…
(twitter.com/William_Newman/status/365156993012469761)
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benwerd
barnabywalters: mapkyca: I hereby coin the term "kickstartering the bucket"
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@adamboyet
great quote from my peer @annbass #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw
(twitter.com/adamboyet/status/365157194934657024)
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bret
if kickstarter won't do it, Im sure indiegogo will accommodate.
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barnabywalters
benwerd: “we need money to buy pitckforks and flamethrowers. rewards include ink made from blood, etc”
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c "The power of social is to connect with people I didn't know before.
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@lehawes
Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect with other enterprise systems. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365157424304369667)
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@dhinchcliffe
RT @rawn: #osfw3c "The power of social is to connect w/ people I didn't know before. That's where I'm going to get my new value" - @EdKrebs
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365157682115641344)
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bret
Make CAD design tools compatible with git, problem solved
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Not to be a wet towel, but we are advocating use of social standards on unfriendly platform. Versus like appdotnet.
(twitter.com/billchristian/status/365157731474223104)
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@benwerd
"Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365157876332904448)
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Loqi
[@lleung] MT @lehawes: Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." #osfw3c &gt
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@dhinchcliffe
"I need to be connected to people in the placed where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158000022929408)
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Loqi
[@benwerd] RT @lleung: MT @lehawes: Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." #osfw3c &gt
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@dhinchcliffe
"I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158177945296896)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c classic enterprise use case: document management. I've already store the file in three places, want me upload it at new location?
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365158181007142913)
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@katmandelstein
RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c
(twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365158342198435841)
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Loqi
[@vassko] RT @lleung: MT @lehawes: Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." #osfw3c &gt
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@benwerd
The problems in enterprise social in 2013 are identical to the problems in 2006. But people seem to be moving on them now. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365158704447893505)
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aaronpk
is twtr.io resolving for anybody else?
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@dhinchcliffe
"I need access to social data in a very well defined way... to pull out valuable nuggets... using a suite of tools." - @edkrebs #osfw3c
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158743442325504)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: nope
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aaronpk
k, not sure how long it's going to take
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c use case: how twitter help logging a workshop: segment talk notes, link alt hasTags/time, add resource links, discussion, notes, q/a
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365158865421082624)
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benwerd
can anyone else understand a word this man is saying?
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mapkyca
@aaronpk, resolves but have a placeholder page
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aaronpk
placeholder page?
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mapkyca
"This domain name has been registered with Gandi.net"
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aaronpk
forgot they don't set the nameservers to my default one
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: "Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365159191859572736)
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@lehawes
RT @benwerd: "Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365159288198533120)
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aaronpk
ok updated. thanks mapkyca
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Loqi
[@benwerd] Hearing this over &amp
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Loqi
over again: social needs to be a platform that work with the activities &amp
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Loqi
software already in the enterprise. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365159645356113920)
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@benwerd
eg over at @latakoo, we're integrating with video editing software, news management systems, etc. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365159876617449472)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c : i'm pretty sure a random passer-by just came in here, got some breakfast, and wandered out again #open #social #public
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365160134676201472)
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@kapilgupta
@rawn @lehawes @katmandelstein @dhinchcliffe #osfw3c #envy :-). Will participate vicariously through your tweets!
(twitter.com/kapilgupta/status/365160142293049344)
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@lehawes
@dansilva I don't know. @edkrebs verbally stated it in his #osfw3c presentation. You could ask him if it's published somewhere.
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365160238812368897)
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@benwerd
Seems like pump.io is well-placed to integrate across software in this sort of platform-centric way. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365160333607841792)
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@billchristian
"enrichment" and "composition" seem like the correct mental approach to building a simple and attractive std. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/billchristian/status/365160367002882048)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c IBM's enterprise social business seems to be yet another name of "enterprise data integration problem" (maybe v1.1)
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365160483302547456)
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@JimLundy
@rawn @dhinchcliffe Hope it is going well. Enterprises need to be very careful when looking at Consulting firms for Open Social dev #osfw3c
(twitter.com/JimLundy/status/365160690887045122)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c : it would be handy if http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html had personal URLs for the speakers on
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365160856792739841)
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@rawn
#osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff Calusinski IBM
(twitter.com/rawn/status/365160887692165120)
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@ohadyas
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw
(twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365160896982949888)
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@ohadyas
RT @dhinchcliffe: Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://t.co/xtuUZ…
(twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365160954168098816)
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@ohadyas
RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c
(twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365161029388754944)
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@dhinchcliffe
It's the classic #EnSw problem: Aligning business architecture and technical architecture is key to #socbiz adoption. #osfw3c @DonBuddenbaum
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365161106014093312)
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@ohadyas
RT @opensocial: Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise.
(twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365161118878412801)
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@lidingpku
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : it would be handy if http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html had personal URLs for the speakers on
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365161448328011777)
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@rawn
Point made&gt;RT @jimlundy: rawn @dhinchcliffe Enterprises need to be very careful when looking at Consulting firms for Open Social dev #osfw3c
(twitter.com/rawn/status/365161674145153024)
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@kevinmarks
RT @rawn: #osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff Calu…
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365161712766287872)
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@lehawes
IBM's @DonBuddenbaum says social technologies must become fundamental building blocks of business apps. I completely agree. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365161733595213824)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @LloydFassett: A lot of the questions for qualifying candidates in healthcare staffing are common, standard between companies
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365162238585221120)
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@dhinchcliffe
Torn if a grand reconciliation of #socbiz "block architecture" reference models is right. Perhaps a more organic approach at first. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365162243882618880)
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@lehawes
RT @rawn: #osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff...
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365162270013128706)
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@ASUG365
RT @ASUG_Michigan: RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #so…
(twitter.com/ASUG365/status/365162289944866816)
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@jasnell
@lehawes @DonBuddenbaum Our tools (browsers, user-agents) need a better sense of context and a better sense of identity. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/jasnell/status/365162385901756417)
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@lehawes
@jasnell @DonBuddenbaum Yes, that's part of what we need to accomplish in this workshop. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365162586884419584)
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@dhinchcliffe
@rawn @JimLundy IMO most #EnSw vendors should just offer compelling @OpenSocial wrappers for their biz apps. Only build if you must. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365162841331859456)
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@lehawes
@jasnell @DonBuddenbaum Yep. Portals are useful in that regard. I'm also excited about promise/possibilities of Apache Rave as well. #osfw3c
(twitter.com/lehawes/status/365163453746393089)
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@rawn
#osfw3c IMHO, I feel that orgs here are de-emphasizing that success w/ Social Foremost depends on what users want to do.
(twitter.com/rawn/status/365163523208261633)
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@JimLundy
@dhinchcliffe @rawn @opensocial Focus was on Enterprises that are doing their own widgets. Lots are. #socbiz #osfw3c
(twitter.com/JimLundy/status/365163637649850368)
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] How we can create open standards for social business http://www.zdnet.com/how-we-can-create-open-standards-for-social-business-7000017420/ My POV on value of #EnSw &amp
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@katmandelstein
@lloydfassett is spot on that the real value of #socialbiz is not connecting internally, but connecting businesses across ecosystem #osfw3c
(twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365163773494951936)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c 1999 Evans Wurster "Economics of information", the traditional economics of information
(twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365163910795501568)
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aaronpk
holy cow
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @LloydFassett: A standard moves the richness and reach graph up to the right. A standard between businesses will have impact
(twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365163961341067264)
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Loqi
[@benwerd] So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365164141180235777)
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benwerd
So we also need all the coffee.
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] HT @benwerd: So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365164344188731392)
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bret
all the coffee!
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bret
all of the coffee!
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aaronpk
loqi is too smart for you
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Loqi
who, me?
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] RT @benwerd: So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365164715388829697)
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aaronpk
thx bret
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@benwerd
I think the #indieweb has a lot of potential to be the basis of that extensible set of standards. http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html #osfw3c
(twitter.com/benwerd/status/365164803678945280)
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aaronpk
enabling magic
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bret
Sparkles!
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aaronpk
somebody tweet!
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@benwerd
Now discussing / arguing the difference between social and collaboration. I'd argue that both are elements of the other. #osfw3c
(twtr.io/bE64nWBnZM)
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aaronpk
thanks lol
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bret
Social, stuff you don't do at work, collaboration doing stuff with people at work
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have heard of.
(twtr.io/bE682XXbAf)
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aaronpk
sweet new twtr redirect works!
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@baojie
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have …
(twtr.io/bE6AY13b6Q)
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benwerd
I think this is such an odd distinction
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big difference btwn collab &amp
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Loqi
social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone else" #socbiz (http://twtr.io/bE6AwcoD0o)
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benwerd
What teams even *are* is changing
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@lehawes
@jdcalus nails it, saying combination of automated processes + ad hoc collaboration across functions and orgs is what biz needs. #osfw3c
(twtr.io/bE6BYfyd_g)
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aaronpk
this doesn't seem like an important distinction to me
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@rawn
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have …
(twtr.io/bE6CVLnNA8)
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aaronpk
ahh channel is cleaner now with shorter tweet URLs
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Loqi
[@benwerd] "Collaboration is within a team
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Loqi
social is with people you don't know." But what a team even *is* is changing! #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE6GaEHHWg)
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bret
breaths the clean irc air
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@lehawes
IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record and Systems of Engagement. Now. #osfw3c
(twtr.io/bE6Lpyu16A)
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benwerd
breathes the coffee fumes, desparately
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Loqi
[@billchristian] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big difference btwn collab &amp
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Loqi
social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone els… (http://twtr.io/bE6M5T56h9)
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bret
tldr, people would rather do work with their friends
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@dhinchcliffe
@benwerd @vassko Workforce collaboration can be social. But it certainly can use other models not based on social media. #osfw3c #socbiz
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@billchristian
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have …
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bret
Lots of love for Activity Streams
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c inter-connecting people, systems, documents in enterprise is always needed in enterprise, regardless how the solution is called
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@vipint7
RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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@benwerd
"We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c
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bret
What does flexi do when lulzsec turns off the breaks while you are driving?
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@billchristian
Good question: when does the internet of things become social? #osfw3c
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". "within a system" vs "across systems"
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@billchristian
RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c
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@lidingpku
RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c
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@dhinchcliffe
"I can't get even get two people together to agree on what federated social media is." - @edkrebs A great place to start today IMO. #osfw3c
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@socialmediaclub
MT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company".
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@elmibester
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have …
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bret
These things should be demo only. No talking allowed unless you have a prototype
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Loqi
[@mangospring] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big diff btwn collab &amp
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social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone else" (http://twtr.io/bE7Dvk_3Nh)
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bret
Is this what having a job is like?
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@kevinmarks
RT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". "within a system" vs "acr…
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@katmandelstein
@rawn points out social is a "blackhole" when we are talking about combining unstructured with the structure of standards. #osfw3C
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bret
Open means equal footing
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aaronpk
bret or someone else on HN, go upvote the app.net post! https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
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Loqi
[@leebryant] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big difference btwn collab &amp
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social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone els… (http://twtr.io/bE7ShKD6Zb)
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@ellenfeaheny
To follow the OpenSocial W3C Workshop context, IRC: http://irc.w3.org port:6665 channel# osfw3c
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@aaronpk
App•net follows up on promises to support more open standards! Great work, @daltonc and team!... #indieweb #appnet http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/2/appnet-indieweb
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benwerd
aaronpk: done
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@ellenfeaheny
To the #osfw3c attendees - a 2nd wifi network was opened - should be faster now! :) #win
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benwerd
oops, I just got told off for POSSEing to Facebook. Really need to implement those buttons.
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@lidingpku
@osfw3c when we go social, we got *flexibility* of incredible data integration, but also want to *control* over, e.g. privacy and security
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bret
Social nascar
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c when we go social, we got *flexibility* of incredible data integration, but also want to *control* over, e.g. privacy and security
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@dhinchcliffe
"Social analytics are a key part of a #socbiz solution." - @MCrawfordUSNvet #osfw3c Yep. Here's why: http://dachisgroup.com/2011/08/social-business-intelligence-positioning-a-strategic-lens-on-opportunity/ #bigdata #EnSw
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@dzhu
RT @ellenfeaheny: To follow the OpenSocial W3C Workshop context, IRC: http://irc.w3.org port:6665 channel# osfw3c
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aaronpk
not very active hashtag on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/osfw3c
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benwerd
That's fascinating
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benwerd
it automatically silenced me!
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@voxpelli
RT @aaronpk: App•net follows up on promises to support more open standards! Great work, @daltonc and team!... #indieweb #appnet http://t.co…
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c "Wikipedia as a process that replaced formal processes" - see http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page for replacing standards processes…
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bret
could it be that ford employees have littler personal gain from contributing to the company wiki?
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aaronpk
benwerd: top poster on twitter, bottom poster on facebook
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Loqi
[@lehawes] At #osfw3c, hearing big need for standards that enable simple, reliable interop between SoR and SoE. Don't need bells &amp
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c use case: the share button shows the need for porting data across system boundary. what's next? better control, provenance...
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benwerd
"if you build it, they will come" rearing its ugly head again?
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c Problem w/ integrating Process &amp
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Loqi
Adhoc = Processes define predictable behavior
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Loqi
social doesn't. Businesses rely on predictable (http://twtr.io/bE80J8_Z1t)
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Loqi
[@ellenfeaheny] What do you think collective per hour value is of people at #osfw3c wkshp? Top industry experts &amp
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architects wrt future of #socbiz #SF (http://twtr.io/bE80pvRoJ8)
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Loqi
[@ellenfeaheny] RT @rawn: #osfw3c Problem w/ integrating Process &amp
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Loqi
Adhoc = Processes define predictable behavior
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Loqi
social doesn't. Businesses rely on predic… (http://twtr.io/bE821sP_FW)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] RT @lehawes: At #osfw3c, hearing big need for standards that enable simple, reliable interop between SoR and SoE. Don't need bells &amp
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aaronpk
how many people are here?
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aaronpk
at least 60
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aaronpk
even at $60/hr that's like $3600/hr here
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bret
What standard are we working on?
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@rawn
#osfw3c ...but more so Companies want to _trust that the system will continue drive business_ regardless of predictable Process vs Adhoc
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@dirtybirdstock
RT @billchristian: Good question: when does the internet of things become social? #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c low the cost of creating a standard: Encyclopedia replaced by Wikipedia
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Loqi
SGML vs. HTML
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Loqi
XML vs. JSON
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Loqi
-- need tangible reward (http://twtr.io/bE8LbkPX3U)
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c low the cost of creating a standard: Encyclopedia replaced by Wikipedia
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Loqi
SGML vs. HTML
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Loqi
XML vs. JSON
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Loqi
-- tangible/instant reward (http://twtr.io/bE8PD5wRxL)
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c lower the cost of creating a standard: Encyclopedia replaced by Wikipedia
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Loqi
SGML vs. HTML
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Loqi
XML vs. JSON
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Loqi
-- tangible/instant reward (http://twtr.io/bE8RUqr1c4)
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bret
I wager "Cultural resistance" = people just not giving a shit about things that don't have anything to do with their work
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aaronpk
heh yeah
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@ellenfeaheny
#osfw3c attendees from Ford, Jive, IBM, Boeing, Apache, UCSF, BroadVision, Apache, Mozilla, SugarCRM, AT&amp;T, TIBCO, Orange, Mitre, Forbes...
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@dhinchcliffe
@rawn As @jhagel has noted, it's not process but exception handling where #socbiz often shines. #osfw3c
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to processes
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@tylerstalder
@audreywatters I really think you’d enjoy #osfw3c.
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@benwerd
A lot of these enterprise topics also apply to institutions like universities, too. Worth talking across sectors. #osfw3c
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bret
Again, bajillion dollar idea: git compatible CAD
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@dhinchcliffe
RT @ellenfeaheny: #osfw3c attendees from Ford, Jive, IBM, Boeing, Apache, UCSF, BroadVision, Apache, Mozilla, SugarCRM, AT&amp;T, TIBCO, Orange…
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@lehawes
MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Loqi
[@fdevillamil] RT @benwerd: So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE8fS4YtBV)
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@fdevillamil
RT @benwerd: I think the #indieweb has a lot of potential to be the basis of that extensible set of standards. http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html
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@fdevillamil
RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c key elements of social standards: capture(import), organize(identity,link,search), exchange(filter, security)
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@kevinmarks
RT @lehawes: MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholehearte…
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@ellenfeaheny
#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ...
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@ggatin
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c "Wikipedia as a process that replaced formal processes" - see http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page for replacing standards proces…
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@dhinchcliffe
Great convo today with @Boeing's @annbass re: their #EnSw integrated Insite #socbiz platform used by 80K+ workers. A great story. #osfw3c
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@brennannovak
Impressed by @daltonc and the https://join.app.net/ crew for embracing #IndieWeb standards and writing a... http://bnvk.me/ws4
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@dhinchcliffe
Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/enterprise/2011/08/why_the_next_app_you_use_might_be_in_a_social_network.php #EnSw
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@rawn
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to proces…
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@DowBrook
RT @ellenfeaheny "#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ..." Pleased to be here, Ellen. Thanks for hosting!
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@lehawes
RT @ellenfeaheny "#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ..." Pleased to be here, Ellen. Thanks for hosting!
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benwerd
bret seems to have turned his laptop into a pastry
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benwerd
that's some trick
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tantek
benwerd - back on the etherpad?
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benwerd
tantek - there now. sorry, I think I stepped on your editing toes there
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tantek
benwerd - go for it
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tantek
we'll figure it out
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bret
I'll be in in a moment
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook too
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tantek
needs to read some scrollup
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tantek
benwerd, feel free to jump into Etherpad notetaking
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: we decided that Atom was very heavyweight and moved to JSON, and then worked on common objects in activitystrea.ms
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tantek
awesome - thanks benwerd
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Open Graph or http://Schema.org Are the two solving the same problem? Which would I adopt for green field apps?
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook too
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: Crushpath shifted from activity streams to setting up a pitch site for anything eg http://crushpath.me/monica pitches me
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Loqi
[@dvdsmpsn] “@benwerd: Hearing this over &amp
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Loqi
over: social needs to be a platform that work with activities &amp
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Loqi
software already in the enterprise #osfw3c” (http://twtr.io/bECsHs5zYJ)
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook…
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: the users we have at crushpath are not super techy - we do client-side integrations to Facebook, Twitter etc
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@appfusions
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to proces…
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @dhinchcliffe: Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://t.…
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: we want people to login with systems they are familiar with like Twitter and Facebook, but Google forces a plus profile
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: we put activity streams everywhere, because it is very general. I can map FB OGP to activity streams if I need to
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@appfusions
RT @lehawes: MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholehearte…
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@lehawes
@ciberch talking about @crushpath's use of activitystrea.ms for common UX across integrations with multiple social sites/services. #osfw3c
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@lidingpku
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: the users we have at crushpath are not super techy - we do client-side integrations to Facebook, Twitter …
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: I use PubSubHubbub to alert customers about new information. It was great that there were so many Open Source tools
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: Standards help me develop faster, because there is a lot of existing code and examples to work with
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@jasnell
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: we put activity streams everywhere, because it is very general. I can map FB OGP to activity streams if …
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@dhinchcliffe
Interesting to hear @ciberch's list of #socbiz standards she's used including OAuth, Pubsubhubbub, Open Graph. and Activity Streams. #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #osfw3c @ciberch: Gotchas: data retention policies (LinkedIn)
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Loqi
Twitter cards require a biz relationship
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Loqi
Contact mgmt apis disparate (http://twtr.io/bEDNchqYtL)
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bret
browser api!
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bret
err social api
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@dhinchcliffe
Best quote from @ciberch from her @crushpath experiences: "I believe open #socbiz standards help people ship products faster." #osfw3c
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@socialmediaclub
Enjoying listening to enthusiasm of @ciberch talking about the innovative use of activity stream models @Crushpath. #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #osfw3c @ciberch: I want native support in browsers for sharing and liking
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Loqi
for SSO links and for real time pushes/notifications (http://twtr.io/bEDTmNpp56)
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@benwerd
Refreshing listening to @ciberch talking about Crushpath: very on-point examples, and sensible asks of the w3c. #osfw3c
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@katmandelstein
Enjoying listening to enthusiasm of @ciberch talking about the innovative use of activity stream models @crushpath. #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@jasnell] RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: I want native support in browsers for sharing and liking
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Loqi
for SSO links and for real time pushes/notifica… (http://twtr.io/bEDWxocH9L)
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@rawn
True. What happens to Business when majority are exceptn?&gt;RT @dhinchcliffe: Not process but Exceptions where #socbiz shines #osfw3c @jhagel
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@lehawes
Hearing desire for basic social functions (e.g. liking, sharing) to be standardized and built into web browsers. HTML5 Components? #osfw3c
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Eric Meeks: UCSF profiles are based on open source code from Harvard. We added Shindig to an unofficial version of the source
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@katmandelstein
MT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote from @ciberch of @crushpath "I believe open #socbiz standards help people ship products faster." #osfw3c
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@nodoTIC
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools
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@lehawes
RT @rawn: What happens to Business when majority are exceptn?&gt;RT @dhinchcliffe: Not process but Exceptions where #socbiz shines #osfw3c
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Eric Meeks: the OpenSocial Person data model was not a good match for researchers - a PR and technical challenge
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@appfusions
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Eric Meeks: UCSF profiles are based on open source code from Harvard. We added Shindig to an unofficial version of …
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@katmandelstein
Linked Open Data is a standard supported by many publicly funded institutions for expressing semantic data. #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@appfusions] RT @dvdsmpsn: “@benwerd: Hearing this over &amp
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over: social needs to be platform that works w/ activities &amp
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Loqi
SW already in enterprise #osfw3c” (http://twtr.io/bEE8VE0pM5)
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@t
made it to #osfw3c workshop. Those of us with our own #indieweb domains are writing them on our badges in red Sharpie. (ttk.me t4RQ3)
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bret
academia needs more http://worrydream.com/Tangle/ before social imo
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@simonstl
The IndieWeb as a minimally viable social web ecosystem - http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html
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@annbass
Eric Meeks: 'developers not being intimidated counts for a lot' #osfw3c
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bret
I wanna hear more about IBM's second life stuff
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@ellenfeaheny
Eric Meeks just described very nice use case exs of OpenSocial integrations in play at UCSF. #momentum #osfw3c
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bret
What IS open social? It looks like a mailing list
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@superfeedr
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: I use PubSubHubbub to alert customers about new information. It was great that there were so many Open So…
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@appfusions
Core! "RT @annbass: Eric Meeks: 'developers not being intimidated counts for a lot' #osfw3c "
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aaronpk
crap did anybody catch the URL of his inSite thing?
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@lehawes
Interesting. Boeing makes creation of a profile in their ent. social network an opt-in process. Half of employees have done so. #osfw3c
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aaronpk
also what is with all the w3.org URLs requiring a login
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@jasnell
#osfw3c from what I'm hearing, the activity streams 2.0 proposal fits right in with requirements being discussed
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@t
just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4)
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@harryhalpin
Great talk by @ciberch about how ActivistyStreams allows Crushpath noticing that having OGP process owned by Facebook is a pain #osfw3c
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@fdevillamil
RT @t: just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4)
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bret
"heavy duty lorries"
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@ProcessSphere
Its live! Workshop on Social Standards: The Future of Business follow #osfw3c for live streaming http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html #social #bpm
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@lehawes
Boeing's inSite ESN built on JAVA and Apache tools. No login needed. It does have SSO, but also supports anonymous users. inSite #osfw3c
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@katmandelstein
MT @lehawes: Interesting. Boeing makes creation of profile in their ent. social network opt-in process.1/2 employees have done so. #osfw3c
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bret
Anyone posseing to sharepoint?
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@katmandelstein
The Boeing Insight enterprise social network uses widgets to make it easy for users to add content to the network. #osfw3c
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@appfusions
Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz (Big request we get alot too. Single userbase of truth) #osfw3c
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@rawn
#osfw3c Thinking aloud: "What are 3 social objects (technical) would you say are absolutely essential to your use case / scenario?"
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@ciberch
Done with #osfw3c talk. I hope it was useful to other implementors. Thanks @kevinmarks for your live tweeting - lets catch up !
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@rawn
#osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thoughts @annbass ?
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@aaronpk
Much utility of enterprise social networks is finding the right people to talk to within an organization. #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/3/osfw3c)
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@ellenfeaheny
I heard auth ? RT @rawn: #osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thoughts @annbass ?
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@rawn
#osfw3c @eric_meeks UCSF #top3 seems: profiles, data integration (linked data/Opensocial) and ???
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@katmandelstein
RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c
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@ellenfeaheny
W/ every #osfw3c speaker, heat goes up - very interesting to be in same room w/so many people committed to solving integrated social biz.
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@kevinmarks
RT @aaronpk: Much utility of enterprise social networks is finding the right people to talk to within an organization. #osfw3c (http://t.co…
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@bduperrin
RT @katmandelstein: RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c startup http://memect.com talking human-centered design approach to how do we remember across various social &amp
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@lehawes
RT @katmandelstein: Boeing's 3 tenets for their enterprise social network: Find something, Share something, Ask something. #socbiz #osfw3c
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@rawn
RT @ellenfeaheny: I heard auth ? RT @rawn: #osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thought…
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bret
Can large scale data work without a DB?
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@dmi
RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c
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@lehawes
People are central to social computing. So, IMO, standards dev should focus first on profile and identity. Then system interop. #osfw3c
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@t
if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@driessen
RT @lehawes Ford Motor Co's Ed Krebs "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect w/ other enterprise syst #osfw3c
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@getify
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@SinanTaga
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@pxlape
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@rawn
RT @jasnell: @rawn @annbass Profile is a function of Identity. Expertise is a function of Network and Context. #osfw3c
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@sull
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@rawn
So @jasnell, you're saying the atomic objects are: identity, network, context #osfw3c
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@alvincrespo
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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Loqi
[@katmandelstein] MT @lehawes People are central to social computing. Standards dev should focus 1st on profile &amp
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Loqi
identity then system interopability. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEGeh_bTE8)
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@jakeludington
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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Loqi
[@rawn] No but http://Wikispeed.org can. It is possible&gt
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Loqi
RT @lehawes Ford Motor Co's @edkrebs "we don't design cars in [Social]." #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEGfFL2TLY)
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@jasnell
@rawn To start with, yes. #osfw3c
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@chuq
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@dhinchcliffe
@rawn @jasnell I'd suggest the #socbiz base objects are 1) identity 2) structure (social graph, context), 3) flow (activity streams) #osfw3c
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@t
@manusporny - am not going to link to a *PDF* about proposed *web* technologies (however bloated). #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ6)
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@lehawes
Ghost of Doug Engelbart pervading Memect presentation at #osfw3c. Talking about extended and collective memory created by working socially.
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benwerd
tantek - introducing http://www.fatberg.org/
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aaronpk
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 5 karma
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tantek
benwerd oh dear
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tantek
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 6 karma
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bret
benwerd++
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Loqi
dude
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bret
aaronpk++ for twtr.io
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@t
new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7)
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@sgillies
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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benwerd
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 193 karma
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mapkyca
I wonder...
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@lidingpku
RT @lehawes: Ghost of Doug Engelbart pervading Memect presentation at #osfw3c. Talking about extended and collective memory created by work…
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mapkyca
Loqi++
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Loqi
Loqi has 170 karma
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aaronpk
karma throttled
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@lehawes
RT @dhinchcliffe I'd suggest #socbiz base objects are 1) identity 2) structure (social graph, context) 3) flow (activity streams). #osfw3c
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@cstanhope
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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aaronpk
rate limiting kicks in pretty quick
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bret
Love, but not too much love :p
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@katmandelstein
Interesting: Bank of America now has more customers accessing via #mobile than traditional PC or laptop web connectivity. #osfw3c
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@davidillsley
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@rawn
debated yesterday Activity streams turning into sewers. Filters may work then we have freq filter failure @dhinchcliffe @jasnell #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] @dhinchcliffe @rawn @jasnell sounds very familiar. Person
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Loqi
Friends
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Loqi
Activity in OpenSocial
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Loqi
hCrad, XFN, hAtom in microformats #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEHAfa3wSf)
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@ewg118
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] @katmandelstein @appfusions: Federated user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c &lt
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Loqi
Not well solved yet. (http://twtr.io/bEHCqu4aV5)
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe @jasnell "context" is structure but can be heavily overloaded. Or perhaps there's a BNF or RDF for that #osfw3c
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bret
benwerd, our organization wanted to inquire about your new cloud platform, fatberg.
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aaronpk
benwerd: needs more microformats
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@applemcg
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7)
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aaronpk
and permalinks :D
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benwerd
alright alright alright
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@lehawes
Fitting that conversation fragmentation exists at #osfw3c discussion on social standards. Some using Twitter, others IRC backchannel.
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bret
IRC 4 lyfe
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@rawn
#osfw3c Dan Schutzer /BITS is literally describing Project VRM right now
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bret
the original federated social network
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bret
(that we still use?)
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@katmandelstein
@Tank18SF Thanks for hosting #osfw3c! Cool space for the event.
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tantek.com
edited /social-standards (+8) "written"
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@KeriHenare
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7)
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@katmandelstein
@dhinchcliffe Run into multiple user profile issues at clients all the time. This should be table stakes...we need a solution. #osfw3c
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@annbass
Our brains can host about 2.5 pedabytes, but information is contained in silos with small amounts of information #osfw3c @lidingpku
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@aslakr
RT @t: just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4)
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@aslakr
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@katmandelstein
RT @annbass: Our brains can host about 2.5 pedabytes, but information is contained in silos with small amounts of information #osfw3c...
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bret
aaronpk: send this to that person commenting about twitter vs irc: http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png (if you want)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: the 'teenager' data model baked into the standard discourages adoption [er, optional fields are optional]
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@t
@annbass here's a good start: http://indiewebcamp.com/social-standards #microformats #hcard #hentry #webmention #xfn #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ8)
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@rawn
We don't have a data model for that :) RT @annbass: Our brains can host 2.5 petabytes, but information is in silos #osfw3c @lidingpku
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: @annbass here's a good start: http://indiewebcamp.com/social-standards #microformats #hcard #hentry #webmention #xfn #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ8)
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@rknLA
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7)
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@larrysalibra
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: one of the immense pains in the butt of working for a big company is the lawyers - wouldn't even let us donate test cases to w3c
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@ArthurThornton
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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Loqi
[@rawn] RT @jasnell: Profile = Who am I
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Loqi
Context = Why am I here
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Loqi
Network = Who do I need to interact with
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Loqi
Data = What info is important #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEJRTEcNR5)
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@t
really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9)
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@techKeith
Impressed with the amount of Enterprise Linked Data and RDF/OWL adoption being shared today. More than I expected. Good to see. #osfw3c
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@veganstraightedge
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7)
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@julien51
RT @t: really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9)
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@briankenn
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@t
@annbass if someone does not know enough HTML to publish specs+slides, they know not enough to innovate on top #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQA)
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tommorris
tantek: wait, OpenSocial still exists?
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tantek
tommorris - lol
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@Hasgaroth
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@davidmead
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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tommorris
tantek: oh, by the way, I've been meaning to put out a guide on how to do microformats2 + RDFa. a kind of crazy mix-n-match for obscure properties.
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tantek
tommorris - we should talk about how to use h-x-* and p-x-* microformats2 extensions instead
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tantek
it's likely much simpler than going to the trouble of keeping track of RDFa attributes as well
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tommorris
it's as much to document crazy fun properties ;)
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@joshuajuran
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@haddnin
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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tantek
tommorris - p-x-* is fine for crazy fun properties
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@stilkov
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@katmandelstein
Tasty Mayan food from http://pocchuc.com for lunch, interesting seasonings. Thanks for supporting #osfw3c!
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@Musebrarian
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@hamnis
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@dvdsmpsn
@katmandelstein: RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c”
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@fdevillamil
@t do you mean that #osfw3c actually stands for Open Source FireWall 3 something? (fv.gs ZzixyV)
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Loqi
[@MoxieSoft] RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Loqi
Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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@PaddySweeney01
RT @JimLundy: @dhinchcliffe @rawn @opensocial Focus was on Enterprises that are doing their own widgets. Lots are. #socbiz #osfw3c
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c the day when men form a line. should we pay advance for unexpected use? https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365215112556052482/photo/1
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bret
Did AT&T contribute much to developing the web? (serious question)
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bret
bell labs
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bret
I guess
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@eric_meeks
If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c
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@ordnungswprog
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c challenges in mobile social web: trust, scalability, ux . #att https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365218149727076352/photo/1
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tantek
one of the nice things with having complex versions/attempts at standards out there is that such things serve as a honeypot for "enterprise" developers.
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bret
It would be nice to be able to get push without an apple sanctioned certificate
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tantek
is that too snarky to tweet?
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c "challenges for mobile social networks" by Laurent-Walter Goix (Telecom Italia) and Bryan Sullivan (AT&amp;T) http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/Opportunities%20and%20challenges%20for%20standard%20Mobile%20Social%20Networks.pdf
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aaronpk
possibly
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bret
tantek: that might be a little trollish
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aaronpk
bret: unlikely
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aaronpk
re: apple push, not tantek
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tantek
benwerd - I believe the current presentation gave you more text for fatberg.org
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aaronpk
ARO - Application Resource Optimizer
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benwerd
I like that very much
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benwerd
I zoned out (was paying attention to a work thing) and am not sure what MFA means in this context?
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@annbass
Fantastic food from http://pocchuc.com for #osfw3c workshop. YUM!
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bret
How do I use an ARO?
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tantek
benwerd did you get SNeW?
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benwerd
SNeW is fantastic.
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benwerd
I always use ARO with my SNeW.
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@Gkellogg
RT @eric_meeks: If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c
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@danbri
RT @jasnell: #osfw3c from what I'm hearing, the activity streams 2.0 proposal fits right in with requirements being discussed
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benwerd
nobody ever checks dictionaries when they name these things.
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@JBezivin
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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benwerd
major rule: never pick a name before checking it on Urban Dictionary at the very least.
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@danbri
RT @harryhalpin: For those that want to follow the discussion for the social workshop, check out http://irc.w3.org channel #osfw3c for…
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@Gkellogg
At #osfw3c, @eric_meeks rocking with JSON-LD at UCSF for social applications: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/LinkedDataOpenSocial.pdf
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@rawn
Listening to the eCousin project http://www.ict-ecousin.eu/ on making Content Distribution services more social-aware #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@webtechman] About 85% of business activity is non-transactional &amp
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@benwerd
Interesting ideas from Telecom Italia about prefetching content based on your social interests using unused bandwidth. #osfw3c
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@benwerd
I absolutely do not want my devices to prefetch content that I haven't explicitly indicated I'm interested in subscribing to. #osfw3c
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@rawn
#osfw3c the eCousin approach vaguely reminds me of Blackberry content distribution mgmt and prefetching info http://ow.ly/nJ7jS
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@jasnell
@benwerd HTTP/2 server push might mean you wouldn't have a choice in the matter #osfw3c
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@benwerd
RT @jasnell: @benwerd HTTP/2 server push might mean you wouldn't have a choice in the matter #osfw3c
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@rawn
#osfw3c I don't recall that story from Marty Cooper but I get to play with that very cellphone of his. :)
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aaronpk
roles - one of the killer apps in social
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Loqi
[@benwerd] @jasnell That sounds like it's ripe for some terrible use cases. I don't want to passively receive
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Loqi
I want to actively retrieve. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bESekk7DzV)
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@Gkellogg
IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c
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@jasnell
RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c
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@manusporny
RT @eric_meeks: If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c
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@rawn
#osfw3c @jasonroygary "I think roles are one of the killer app of social" I'd say there's no such thing as a role. it's a limit on reality
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aaronpk
"Oracle is not a social networking company. We actually build technology"
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aaronpk
that's what I heard
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benwerd
I really strongly dislike this idea of servers proactively sending you content
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bret
UDPBlockPlus
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benwerd
In a world where everyone can be an active participant, I almost feel that broadcasting is immoral
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@ciberch
RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c
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@sjhuskey
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@jasnell
@rawn @jasonroygary Roles emerge at the intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c
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@ciberch
@Gkellogg pubsub also mqtt at IBM Collaboration Group /cc @andypiper @jasnell #osfw3c #makessense
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@jasnell
@ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c
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@rawn
Context can be highly variable &gt;&gt;RT @jasnell: @jasonroygary Roles emerge at intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c
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@ciberch
Thanks, but I still don't want to write RDF #osfw3c JSON-LD now is starting to intrigue me...
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@webtechman
@appfusions Federated User Profiles in Social Software could happen with an extended version of #gravatar in the Enterprise #osfw3c #socbiz
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@rawn
@jasnell It's Predefined / expected in-advance roles vs. Context-derived roles w/ highly varaible/unique scenarios #osfw3c @jasonroygary
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@jasnell
@ciberch I don't think any sane person would ever want to write RDF. JSON-LD gives us something more tangible and immediately useful #osfw3c
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@t
Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB)
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@jasnell
@rawn @jasonroygary What are the real differences between those? #osfw3c
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@webtechman
RT @rawn: Context can be highly variable &gt;&gt;RT @jasnell: @jasonroygary Roles emerge at intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c
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@aaronpk
@benwerd Agreed for un-related content, but the use cases described in HTTP 2.0 push seem reasonable... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/4/osfw3c
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@pxlape
RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB)
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bret
Even something like prezi is better than powerpoint. Gawlllll
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@benwerd
@aaronpk Agree with you. HTTP 2.0 is about faster delivery, not pre-emptively sending you completely unrelated content. #osfw3c
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aaronpk
prezi makes me dizzy
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB)
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@Gkellogg
RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB)
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aaronpk
benwerd: another one for you: SIOC http://sioc-project.org/
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benwerd
I forgot about SIOC!
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aaronpk
oh also synergy
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bret
aaronpk: On indienews, am I only able to submit links to pages that I can edit?
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bret
(to put the syndication link on)
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aaronpk
bret: yes, you have to be able to add the syndication link
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benwerd
aaronpk: added. thank you. Synergistic is there as an adjective!
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bret
got it
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aaronpk
not sure if a bug or a feature
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@rawn
@jasnell Are you here in the osfw3c workshop in person or listening in?
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Loqi
grins profusely
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bret
Maybe a linklog style post could provide a mechanism to post external links?
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aaronpk
you could always "like" an external link and syndicate your like to indienews
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bret
right, something like that
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bret
but what if its something I don't like, but I feel is important or usefull to share
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@ciberch
@jasnell I still prefer our simple http://activitystrea.ms JSON best. Less "developer friction" /cc @kevinmarks #osfw3c
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@benwerd
Roles fundamentally don't fit into my view of the world, but I grudgingly understand the need in traditional enterprise structures. #osfw3c
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bret
I don't want any relationship with any advertiser….. except google maybe
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benwerd
I suppose a situation where I block them from accessing any of my data or tracking me in any way is a kind of relationship
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@jasnell
@ciberch yeah which is why the AS 2.0 proposal is defined the way it is... aligned with JSON-LD without going all in /cc @kevinmarks #osfw3c
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aaronpk
bret: yea, could share a note about it
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@kevinmarks
@ciberch @jasnell so @context is the new profile attribute on the head? cc @t #osfw3c
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aaronpk
like write a note about it and include a link in the note
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@ciberch
@kevinmarks @jasnell meh with @'s in front of key names, code like obj = Hashie::Mash.new(JSON.parse(response)) will fail #osfw3c
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@jasnell
@ciberch No, AS 2.0 doesn't use the @'s. /cc #osfw3c @kevinmarks
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bret
aaronpk: what about the concept of "blog spam", where people put their blog in the way of something interesting on a community voted link page….. maybe looking to far off
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bret
I may be*
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aaronpk
yea, I think the idea of non-author-submitted content for indienews is still TBD
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aaronpk
i was just suggesting stuff you can do right now
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bret
i won't worry about it right now
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bret
there has to be some kind of rule that if its not " public / open web." its not the web
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bret
its something else at that point
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aaronpk
it's still web, it's just not Web
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aaronpk
if there's no permalink it's not web
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c sameas + provenance again. key to data integration in social web.
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aaronpk
but behind-the-firewall use cases are legit IMO
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@ciberch
@jasnell ok cool I approve :) Have we found people who want to be asms 2.0 implementors ? #osfw3c /cc @kevinmarks
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@jasnell
Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c
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@lehawes
Discussing concept of 'roles' at #osfw3c workshop. Tough to understand what role someone in an organization is playing, as it can shift.
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bret
aaronpk: but the "standard" has to also exist outside of the firewall
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@benwerd
Predictions of the death of Active Directory and LDAP. "Those are dinosaurs", to be replaced by rich profiles. Amen. #osfw3c
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@t
@ciberch which specs in what open web sites? URLs? @harryhalpin intranet-only specs are as dead as ActiveX. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQC)
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@snoopdave
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c
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@harryhalpin
@ciberch @jasnell question is backwards compatibility. JSON-LD wants @ context in header for JSON. Try as a AS default, no header? #osfw3c
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@rawn
@jasnell @jasonroygary Are we making roles/context/interaction from social now sound too much like roles/Transactions/processes? #osfw3c
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@lehawes
Thinking out loud: Could a Profile standard contain user information that could be used to understand contextual role? Tough nut. #osfw3c
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@rawn
@jasnell @jasonroygary ie, Rather than dealing w/ the adhoc/variability of social, we're turning it into predictable process model #osfw3c
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@jasnell
@rawn Is there really a difference? /cc #osfw3c @jasonroygary
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@ciberch
@t https://developers.google.com/+/api/latest/activities is using activitystrea.ms JSON #osfw3c - I was using their API yesterday. Superfeeder uses pubsubhubub
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@jasnell
@rawn I would argue that social in business is likely already a predictable process model /cc #osfw3c @jasonroygary
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@ciberch
@t uses on the intranet and enterprise are valid as well and there are plenty #osfw3c IBM uses asms, Yammer's stream API and Chatter also
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@rawn
@lehawes sounds like @jasnell are saying Roles are the intersection btwn Identity and Context objs in Opensocial. #osfw3c ie. they exist
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@lehawes
#osfw3c workshop discussing benefits/challenges of a single, standardized web browser. IMO, social standards baked into HTML5 = better.
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@toddbarnard
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c
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@lehawes
@jasnell @rawn Not sure social is a 'process', but there are definitely 'patterns' that can be defined and leveraged. #osfw3c
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@harryhalpin
@jasnell @ciberch Link headers are rare, try as @context a default in AS spec. Perhaps discourage @ convention and assume default. #osfw3c
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@ciberch
@t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c
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@jasnell
RT @ciberch: @t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c
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Loqi
[@rawn] Ref back to growing % of Exceptions in process&gt;&gt
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Loqi
RT @jasnell: social in business is likely already a predictable process model #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEWcgYYwbG)
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@t
@harryhalpin PuSH yes. OGP? Who consumes besides FB (+ some Twitter)? Rest are dead or intranet-only (dying). #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQD)
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@benwerd
@kevinmarks If only there was another format to represent textual information on the web. #osfw3c
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@hmendes
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@januszesser
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)
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@benwerd
One notable absence from #osfw3c - where are the browser vendors?? (Mozilla aside - and kudos to them for being here.)
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@lehawes
@jdcalus @jasnell @rawn Patterns are less rigid than processes. They're repeatable, but at more abstract level of detail. Agree? #osfw3c
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@rawn
It's semantics&gt;RT @jdcalus: @lehawes @jasnell If social is a repeatable approach to solving a problem, doesn't it become a process? #osfw3c
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@dehora
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c
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tantek
ok folks - let's re-engage on the Etherpad
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tantek
this part is likely more relevant to indieweb interests
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aaronpk
tantek: if I want to return an auth token along with a Location header, should I use my own HTTP header name or use "Authorization" even though "Authorization" is usually only used in requests
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tantek
aaronpk - not sure - collect that as a q/issue and let's answer after today's talks
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@harryhalpin
@benwerd Shane from Mozilla is here, and Dmitri from Chrome will be here tomorrow. We did ask MS to send us an IE guy but no show. #osfw3c
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tantek
welcome back brianloveswords
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brianloveswords
tantek: hello!
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Loqi
[@lehawes] RT @kevinmarks "a process makes people adapt to it
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Loqi
aims for consistency. A pattern is more flexible" Agree 100% Not just semantics #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEZ_h6635b)
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tantek
(brianloveswords are you at Tank 18? if not, easily crashable)
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@metropolis81
Thanks Everyone for The Kind Attention from Fabio and the whole e-cousin Group I represented here! #osfw3c
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brianloveswords
tantek: I'm not, I'm currently at the DIY.org office – how late is the tank18 thing going?
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brianloveswords
This place looks pretty rad
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aaronpk
brianloveswords: talks until 5:30, mingling until 7 http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
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@gfxman
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c
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tantek.com
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@metropolis81
RT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "challenges for mobile social networks" by Laurent-Walter Goix (Telecom Italia) and Bryan Sullivan (AT&amp;T) http://t.…
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@gfxman
Vibrant discussions and coverage of the day so far via Twitter is going on at #osfw3c
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brianloveswords
aaronpk: ah ha! I will try to make it out there a little later if I can.
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brianloveswords
In any case, I'm gonna try to crash the workshop tomorrow.
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aaronpk
great!
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@harryhalpin
@kevinmarks http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/schema.pdf should work now. There was some odd error on W3C site, just reloaded file. Its his slides #osfw3c
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@t
@ciberch thanks for G+ API link. Looks proprietary, based on but not actually ActivityStreams: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google%2B#Activities (ttk.me t4RQE)
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@jasnell
Sitting here amusing myself imagining @t cursing quietly to himself every time a PPT or PDF presentation goes up on the screen... ;) #osfw3c
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@lehawes
Learning about JSON-LD at #osfw3c. Way down in the weeds for me, but very useful all the same.
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tantek
how is anything about JSON-LD useful?
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tantek
nevermind "very useful"?!?
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aaronpk
seems like html and <a> tags covers most of it
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tantek
aaronpk - it does
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brianloveswords
I have not understood JSON-LD ever.
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tantek
it's fairly ignorable
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aaronpk
ok if it's ignorable i'm going back to finising indieauth spec
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brianloveswords
aaronpk, I support this move.
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shaners
aaronpk: wrt twtr.io, https://twitter.com/statuses/[tweet id] also expands to the correct url
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bret
just *pretend* for now
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aaronpk
shaners: oh cool, didn't realize that
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shaners
(in addition to the https://twitter.com/_/status/[tweet-id] that you're using)
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tantek
oh dear - center-aligned text on slides!
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tantek
(aaarrggh!)
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@ciberch
@t 's way or the highway ! @t = #html #4life #notajsonfan /cc #osfw3c
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@Gkellogg
RT @jasnell: @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c
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