#indiewebcamp 2013-08-08

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bret The open web isn't a shareholder in google
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@ciberch @kevinmarks agreed on "http://t.co/hgjJ1nftrI's practices not being open and transparent" #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365261532419993601)
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@ciberch Who is the http://schema.org team ? #osfw3c #introverts ? (twitter.com/_/status/365261806354178049)
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@t #owfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twitter.com/_/status/365262440390336513)
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bret tantek rocking the boat! You presented your criticism clearly and politely though
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@aaronpk @lidingpku Yes, @tantek captured it here: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/7/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365262915315568641)
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@t #osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twitter.com/_/status/365262920944336896)
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@lehawes Wrapping up Day 1 of #osfw3c, which did a good job of laying out the current landscape of existing social standards. It's cocktail time! (twitter.com/_/status/365263372914130946)
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@evolt_org RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365263428316708866)
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bret well, what can I say: http://bret.io/2013/08/07/t1/
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bret tantek: are you (or any others) going to see that TOS movie at the roxy tonight?
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@t #osfw3c #Schema-org also sets a bad example in both forking #ActivityStreams and diverging /Person from IETF #vCard4. (ttk.me t4RQM) (twitter.com/_/status/365264053922312193)
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tantek bret - we could do that
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@frankolken RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twitter.com/_/status/365264351042605056)
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@gcarothers RT @t: #osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twitter.com/_/status/365264733974175746)
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aaronpk I might skip out, I still want to sort out my indieauth demo for tomorrow
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@kragen RT @t: #osfw3c #Schema-org also sets a bad example in both forking #ActivityStreams and diverging /Person from IETF #vCard4. (ttk.me t4RQM) (twitter.com/_/status/365265457579687936)
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aaronpk shaners: updated indieauth spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec
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aaronpk i really hope it isn't too hard to read
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aaronpk it's covering a lot of ground. I may need to make shorter tutorial-like guides for one side at a time
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aaronpk (consumer vs server etc)
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@veganstraightedge Please review the IndieAuth Spec for readability. https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec /by @aaronpk et al #indieweb folks (twitter.com/_/status/365268013043298304)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to master at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/e31673cc9b...0af79b7398 [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365268697864077312)
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aaronpk oh hello there pkbot
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@jasnell @t Agreed, but they're hardly the first to go down their own path. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365269188274683905)
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@latrippi RT @dhinchcliffe: Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://t.co/xtuUZ… (twitter.com/_/status/365270229540012034)
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bret Can we get together some indieweb commenters tomorrow for the demos?
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bret to send comments during the demo
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to master at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/0af79b7398...b26d9fb610 [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365271208838709248)
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aaronpk yes, yes I did
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@latrippi RT @aaronpk: Two interesting sites built the morning of #osfw3c day 1: http://twtr.io/ and http://www.fatberg.org/ (http://t.co/UjD6C… (twitter.com/_/status/365272541142597632)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/d353e8f5fb...180da12721 [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365273723445583873)
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@htmlkickstart RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365275654339575808)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/597586d1a1...0afb628f01 [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365276249309986816)
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@dannydb_stellar RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365277404660367360)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/0afb628f01...994c688cfd [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365278757877063682)
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@t @jasnell Google's market position makes them a bully when they go down their own path instead of working openly. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twitter.com/_/status/365279814791340033)
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@jameswillweb RT @t: #osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twitter.com/_/status/365280750649622528)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/994c688cfd...06315818bd [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365281274329436160)
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aaronpk bret: http://spec.indieauth.com/
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@mtaarao RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365282565470433281)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/773890b6be...9fed6cc262 [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365283796712554497)
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #osfw3c #Schema-org also sets a bad example in both forking #ActivityStreams and diverging /Person from IETF #vCard4. (ttk.me t4RQM) (twitter.com/_/status/365283845676859392)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to master at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/b26d9fb610...8d3ce2406a [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365286297801211904)
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@t Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twitter.com/_/status/365288113075011584)
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@buttner RT @gfxman: Vibrant discussions and coverage of the day so far via Twitter is going on at #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365288385021095937)
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@pkbot aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/9fed6cc262...e8a3950ff5 [Github] (twitter.com/_/status/365288815574794240)
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@matthew_meadows #ack #gack #thesuck somebody has to be the pope of the indieweb and i think it's going to be purple \m/~ ~7,200... http://www.fandalism.com/rangothedog/bFES (twitter.com/_/status/365290917587988484)
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@AaronWhitman RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twitter.com/_/status/365291074966659073)
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@cdevroe RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365291947373502464)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c continued (at @ZeitgeistSf w/ 5 others) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/5202ff1d498e9130d5204a3c?s=MYIWajBqtT8c6c4unlc1lLPakg8&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365295017788579841)
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@brianloveswords RT @veganstraightedge: Please review the IndieAuth Spec for readability. https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec /by @aaronpk et al #indieweb folks (twitter.com/_/status/365299171151974401)
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@ellenfeaheny Today was an extremely awesome day!! #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365299784992571392)
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Loqi [@ellenfeaheny] QOTD by @jasonroygary .. Something like: "it's not just venue &amp
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Loqi content &amp
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Loqi energy .. It's WHO is here &amp
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Loqi corps rep'd" #osfw3c #validation 10X (http://twtr.io/bEuYQC1Ttb)
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Loqi [@ellenfeaheny] #osfw3c #socbiz top architects convene in SF today (&amp
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Loqi tmrw) .. From all corners of US, France, Japan, Italy, etc.. #greatForwardProgress (http://twtr.io/bEvMxFqM9M)
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Loqi [mention] http://vs.cartografsistemas.net/bocados-actualidad-161/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/projects (pingback)
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@appfusions RT @aaronpk: Two interstg sites from the morning of #osfw3c day1: http://twtr.io/ and http://www.fatberg.org/ (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365318126537154562)
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Loqi [@gfxman] RT @ellenfeaheny: #osfw3c #socbiz top architects convene in SF today (&amp
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Loqi tmrw) .. From all corners of US, France, Japan, Italy, etc.. #great… (http://twtr.io/bF0cr5NpEf)
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@appfusions RT @benwerd: Yeah! @t calling Google out on their very restrictive license for http://t.co/FQJObPpCv9. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365318363053961216)
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@andrew_mallis RT @t: #osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twitter.com/_/status/365318376773521409)
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shaners aaronpk: could i get you to proof something for me before i publish it?
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Loqi [@ellenfeaheny] Nice shot! >&gt
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Loqi RT @rawn: #osfw3c A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 (http://twtr.io/bF13DoPP9u)
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@appfusions RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/365319504307302401)
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@billchristian RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twitter.com/_/status/365324192733863940)
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@rawn Dinner w @katmandelstein @lehawes @dbuddenbaum @gfxman http://ow.ly/i/2P1iH after #osfw3c #socbiz standards workshop (twitter.com/_/status/365325730088894464)
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@gfxman RT @rawn: Dinner w @katmandelstein @lehawes @dbuddenbaum @gfxman http://ow.ly/i/2P1iH after #osfw3c #socbiz standards workshop (twitter.com/_/status/365326085816205312)
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@kevinmarks RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twitter.com/_/status/365326844490297346)
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tantek aaronpk have you seen sandeepshetty around? wanted to ask him about webemention's license. Right now it's "released into the public domain" - CC0 works better internationally.
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@t1c1 RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twitter.com/_/status/365331190699409408)
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tantek !tell sandeepshetty - any chance you could license webmention with CC0+OWFa? CC0 is an internationally-aware public domain declaration, and OWFa provides RF patent IP declaration.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell sandeepshetty spec.indieauth.com does CC0+OWFa (if you're looking for a github hosted example). Markup/phrasing docs here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license#Markup
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk shaners: hey i'm back
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aaronpk tantek: no, I don't think anybody has heard from sandeep recently, we were just talking about that today!
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aaronpk his last post was Jul 18th too
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tantek I hope he's ok
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aaronpk me too :/
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@lazycommit RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365338146780610562)
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@katmandelstein RT@rawn: Dinner w @katmandelstein @lehawes @dbuddenbaum @gfxman http://ow.ly/i/2P1iH after #osfw3c #socbiz standards workshop #downunder (twitter.com/_/status/365338879517138949)
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@mueller_seba RT @dhinchcliffe: Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://t.co/xtuUZ… (twitter.com/_/status/365339597510680577)
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tantek aaronpk I suppose we could issue a pull-request to webmention spec with the updated license MD
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aaronpk heh true
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tantek https://github.com/converspace/webmention
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tantek easiest thing would be to change " Copyright" to "License" and "All contributions to this specification are released into the public domain." to the MD that you have.
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tantek since you already have the MD for that, mind dropping him a pull request for it?
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tantek feel free to point him to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license#CC0_OWFa_Preferred as reasoning in the pull request
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@katmandelstein It's a long story... A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop via @rawn http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365340229118345216)
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aaronpk well at least here's a twitter update from him 2 days ago https://twitter.com/sandeepshetty/status/364307463308189697
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@sandeepshetty The Ubuntu Edge - the next generation of personal computing: smartphone and desktop PC in one state-of-the-art device http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
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tantek well at least he's around - though I'd expect his twitter updates be posse'd from his site
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@SameerPatel “@lehawes: Ford Motor's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect w other enterprise systems #osfw3c” (twitter.com/_/status/365343913315287040)
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@lbrt RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twitter.com/_/status/365344384390139905)
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@AAinslie RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twitter.com/_/status/365344864902193154)
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@AAinslie RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twitter.com/_/status/365345105919492096)
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tantek.com created /Open_Graph_Protocol (+33) "r" (view diff)
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@SocialBusines11 RT @dhinchcliffe: "Social analytics are a key part of a #socbiz solution." - @MCrawfordUSNvet #osfw3c Yep. Here's why: http://t.co/I0djFW1z… (twitter.com/_/status/365350080204644352)
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bret !tell shaners That gist is perfect. It shows what 8 hours json-ld supporting w3c social talks failed to demonstrate in all of a dozen or so lines. Looks like we have some comments to reply to.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com created /The-Open-Graph-protocol (+706) "stub" (view diff)
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Loqi shaners: bret left you a message 15 minutes ago: That gist is perfect. It shows what 8 hours json-ld supporting w3c social talks failed to demonstrate in all of a dozen or so lines. Looks like we have some comments to reply to.
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bret !tell tantek doesn't use of the data html5 tag leave a lot of wiggle room for people to use invisible microformat data?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@tommyh RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twitter.com/_/status/365361032924905473)
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@tommyh RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twitter.com/_/status/365361093700362240)
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shaners bret: wrt my gist. i kinda don't have the energy or care to wax pedantic with an RDFa …proponent.
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shaners if you wanna get in there, you can. ;)
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bret I will when I get a chance.
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bret I'm at a show with my sister right now. I should be asleep though. /oldman
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bret I hate 8am mornings. I'm pretty sure the universe is expanding and the distance increase makes it harder to get up then.
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bret In getting good at the pedantic thing :p
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@matro @mattepp http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twitter.com/_/status/365362772420202497)
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Jihaisse hello
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@vpicavet RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365375537620856833)
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@gklyne RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twitter.com/_/status/365377746857242627)
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@veganstraightedge New Post: "JSON-LD is an Unneeded Spec" #indieweb http://sbb.me/b4RR1 (twitter.com/_/status/365384020051243009)
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neuro` Good morning.
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shaners which one of you is downcasing the short url from /b4RR1 to /b4rr1
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shaners ?
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neuro` Not me, why?
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shaners neuro` i was watching the logs for errors. and a bunch of requests came in for that short url, but all downcase.
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shaners oh well. i'm off to bed. night, all.
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@danbri RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365386898799206401)
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@AlbertoManuel Last day of Workshop on Social Standards: The Future of Business follow #osfw3c for live streaming http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html … #social #bpm (twitter.com/_/status/365388668866805761)
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@albertmeronyo RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twitter.com/_/status/365389245034135553)
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@albertmeronyo RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twitter.com/_/status/365389333945008129)
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@_JayGeorge RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365389611930877953)
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@brennannovak @jancborchardt awesome, totally up for both! I'm here in Berlin till #IndieWebCamp UK. Yah, lets hangout! (twitter.com/_/status/365401407936933888)
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mapkyca Good morning campers :)
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tigerfinch good morning :)
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@mqttorg RT @jasnell: @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365459823116042240)
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 7 hours, 18 minutes ago: doesn't use of the data html5 tag leave a lot of wiggle room for people to use invisible microformat data?
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neuro` Good morning (?) tantek §
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tantek yes, good morning neuro` :)
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@WanjaSchaible RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twitter.com/_/status/365473604038701056)
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@dJdU “@t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)” via @JBezivin (twitter.com/_/status/365475088063152128)
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barnabywalters tantek: lol “syntatic vinegar” — never heard that one before
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Loqi [@frankdiana] RT @dhinchcliffe: RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Loqi Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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Loqi … (http://twtr.io/bG2HZdWMSR)
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@lehawes Here for Day 2 of the #osfw3c workshop on social standards. (@ Tank 18) https://foursquare.com/lehawes/checkin/5203b66e498e21f26c814f6a?s=SK8kPh86H5dZ3waUMop1G_Izy30&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365491854751432705)
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Loqi [@gfxman] RT @dhinchcliffe: RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Loqi Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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@gfxman RT @lehawes: Here for Day 2 of the #osfw3c workshop on social standards. (@ Tank 18) https://foursquare.com/lehawes/checkin/5203b66e498e21f26c814f6a?s=SK8kPh86H5dZ3waUMop1G_Izy30&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365492525433229312)
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@blessmurk RT @jasnell: @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365494753229414400)
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@eschnou Interviewed by @fastcolabs about my "PRISM Break" story. Talked about #indieweb, identity, operations, etc. https://eschnou.com/entry/prism-break-how-this-developer-created-his-own-cloud-62-25016.html (twitter.com/_/status/365497367820115969)
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Loqi [mention] https://eschnou.com/entry/prism-break-how-this-developer-created-his-own-cloud-62-25016.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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@eschnou Interviewed by @deciara of @FastCoLabs about my "PRISM Break" story. Talked about #indieweb, identity, etc.. https://eschnou.com/entry/prism-break-how-this-developer-created-his-own-cloud-62-25016.html (twitter.com/_/status/365497613086240768)
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@pris_biblio RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twitter.com/_/status/365499057466118144)
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@lehawes RT @albertomanuel: Last day of Workshop on Social Standards: The Future of Business follow #osfw3c for live streaming http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html (twitter.com/_/status/365499540725440513)
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@lehawes Kicking off Day 2 of #osfw3c with a presentation of how mobile can disrupt social by @MonicaSLam, head of Stanford's MobiSocial Lab. (twitter.com/_/status/365503881284816898)
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@katmandelstein RT @lehawes: Kicking off Day 2 of #osfw3c w/presentation of how mobile can disrupt social by @MonicaSLam, head of Stanford's MobiSocial Lab. (twitter.com/_/status/365504507498602496)
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@bitcuration RT @dhinchcliffe: Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/365504645226954752)
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@vassko How Mobile Revolutionizes Social by Monica Lam (Stanford) #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html (twitter.com/_/status/365504942208860162)
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benwerd Howdy gang, sorry I'm late
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aaronpk morning!
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barnabywalters afternoon indiewebcamp
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benwerd what's the wifi situation this morning? I'm not seeing the Tank18-public network
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aaronpk my computer hopped on to it this morning but I switched to tethering
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benwerd my phone's decided to use an edge connection today
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@socialmediaclub Taking advantage of all your social networks via your phone gives you a broader social "ego" network via @MonicaSLam #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365505502593024000)
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aaronpk if you can see my bluetooth device you are welcome to connect to it
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benwerd it's dialuptastic
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benwerd alas, I'm too far away
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aaronpk wifi?
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benwerd enough data to talk on IRC, not enough to edit my slides ;)
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@lehawes @MonicaSLam: an identity-based (not IP address) open mobile network would free us from constraints of large public social networks. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365505796039122945)
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bret benwerd: are you here?
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benwerd bret: yes, right at the back
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aaronpk benwerd: there's a spot next to bret
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bret benwerd: I sent you a message: http://werd.io/view/5203aeafbed7dec3297fe349
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benwerd cool - is it easy to sneak in there?
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benwerd I saw it!
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aaronpk yeah there's a gap to sneak in behind tantek
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benwerd rockin
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benwerd brb
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bret benwerd: all we have to do is move this bag
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tantek and we're back
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tantek jump back on https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c folks
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tantek benwerd, come on down!
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tantek you know what's worse than FB? identifying yourself as a non-intl portable (not without great expense) phone number
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@lehawes @MonicaSLam's vision is a phone-based P2P network, based on open messaging standards, in which we can share social objects. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365506635109634049)
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@katmandelstein Open mobile messaging-based network would turn social network model inside out by accessing data wherever it is stored- @MonicaSLam #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365506636682498048)
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aaronpk glad to hear she's been using it daily
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@markuslanthaler Another interesting #indieweb project http://vole.cc/ P2P social network powered by Bittorrent, #golang and #emberjs (twitter.com/_/status/365507286631841792)
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bret How is this different than facebook?
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aaronpk it's supposed to use your own storage backend, but I think I missed her explanation of that
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bret oh like dropbox?
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aaronpk yeah
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@eric_meeks #osfw3c Mobile is a great opportunity to bring control of our social networks away from the giants and back to the consumer: see @MonicaSLam (twitter.com/_/status/365508301477257216)
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@zikolach RT @markuslanthaler: Another interesting #indieweb project http://vole.cc/ P2P social network powered by Bittorrent, #golang and #em… (twitter.com/_/status/365508824951558146)
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@lehawes "There is a war going on in open messaging and it's very important that we don't lose it." - @MonicaSLam #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365509126991773696)
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bret Are app platforms relevant to web standards?
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@lehawes @MonicaSLam says open messaging can lead to an open app platform to an open social network. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365509403870371841)
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bret Its like a POSSE app client
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/slideframe/520335d6bed7de2e1a648b51 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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aaronpk am I not supposed to use the osfw3c channel as general chat?
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Loqi [@benwerd] I don't like taking statements like "we won't monetize your data" on trust. If you mean it, make it impossible &amp
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Loqi prove it. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bG9ModK8ij)
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aaronpk benwerd_: also "B2C" and "B2C2B" for your generator
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benwerd_ A2A #requiemforadream
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benwerd_ B2C2C2B2C2C
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tantek aaronpk what happend in the osfw3c channel?
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tantek I just rejoined
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aaronpk nobody is talking, just transcribing
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aaronpk i asked a couple things but didn't get a response
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tantek you can chat stuff there relevant to what's happening realtime
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aaronpk yea it was relevant
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tantek it's typical for w3c meetings to have minutes in the channel for the meeting
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aaronpk ok, not sure if I was supposed to leave the channel clear for the minutes or if it's ok to talk
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tantek yeah it's ok
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@katmandelstein Having fun checking out 2plus, an #iPhone #mobile #social app that @MonicaSLam shared with us in her presentation. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365512118239371266)
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@lehawes Officers from Open Social Foundation now talking about the group's historic efforts and future goals at #osfw3c. (twitter.com/_/status/365512256714326016)
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tantek benwerd: back in https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c
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@lehawes Good to hear enterprise use cases for activity streams and embedded experiences being presented by OSF reps from Jive and IBM at #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365513493933342720)
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@gfxman Day two off to an interesting start. Always nice to see a demo or two. Makes things a lot more real! #osfw3c #socbiz #socialbiz (twitter.com/_/status/365513883672264704)
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Loqi [@billchristian] #osfw3c future of open social: <app&gt
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@katmandelstein Day 2 of #osfw3c talking #mobile social and historic efforts of #opensocial so far (@ Tank 18 w/ @lehawes @gfxman) https://foursquare.com/katmandelstein/checkin/5203cb2e498e7a59f487dcee?s=ZPLFiznz-ZzQ1sCdpUodJfmZDH4&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365514138430099456)
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@lehawes OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365514171107909632)
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@billchristian #osfw3c open social moves to embracing html5 technologies (twitter.com/_/status/365514392571355136)
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@katmandelstein RT @lehawes: OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365514495180812290)
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@jasnell RT @billchristian: #osfw3c open social moves to embracing html5 technologies (twitter.com/_/status/365514708456976385)
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benwerd_ The future of X is apps.
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@jasnell RT @lehawes: OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365514723086696448)
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@lehawes @opensocial is hoping that HTML5 will, in the future, include standardized social functionality to be used by all apps. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365514841500299266)
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barnabywalters I need to stop reading these tweets. they’re slowly eroding any meaning I previously attached to “open”, “social” etc.
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benwerd_ Nice to see an Elgg site!
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@ciberch @billchristian OpenSocial should start offering a client side "App" library to work out the kinks http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/OSFProposal.pdf #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365515059792842752)
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aaronpk nice!
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benwerd_ PS in an hour I'm getting up and saying Elgg sucks
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bret are you going to admit you are the creator of elg?
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benwerd_ #sorrynotsorry
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bret XD
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mapkyca @benwerd what's the url on that? (not in the event or looking at the minutes, but kinda curious)
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bret benwerd_: its working great on IE! I'm so sorry
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benwerd_ mapkyca: It's the MITRE one
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@jasnell RT @lehawes: @opensocial is hoping that HTML5 will, in the future, include standardized social functionality to be used by all apps. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365515391478403073)
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mapkyca Ahhh... that old chestnut...
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@billchristian RT @lehawes: OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365515498575773698)
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@benwerd Fun to see an #Elgg site. More on that in a little bit ... #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365515524882436096)
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@lehawes MITRE's @blavendar demoing their 'Handshake' social network and goals for how it will be integrated with their systems of record. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365515732529844224)
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@katmandelstein Beth Lavender sharing multiple social systems they use at MITRE including Handshake that use gadgets to share data across systems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365516078186639362)
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bret sorry, won't accommodate that
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aaronpk tantek: is inagist.com an aggregator?
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@lehawes More enterprise use cases being discussed by @AppFusions' @ellenfeaheny at #osfw3c, highlighting packaged IBM, Jive, and Atlassian... (twitter.com/_/status/365517778377125888)
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@lehawes @AppFusions uses OpenSocial and oAuth standards, among others, in their packaged integrations. Standards enable rapid integration. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365518138441334786)
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benwerd "Tiles are embedded experiences". I'm not sure how I feel about pieces of UI being referred to as an "experience"? Is this common?
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mapkyca I'm pretty sure that everything is an experience
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@lehawes I love the work that @AppFusions is doing to bridge different enterprise social offerings to solve real problems for customers. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365519484330573824)
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mapkyca whether it's a good one...
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aaronpk benwerd: yea that makes me think of overdesigned crap with no regard to the container it's in
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@veganstraightedge Last night I wrote a new post: "JSON-LD is an Unneeded Spec" #indieweb http://sbb.me/b4RR1 (twitter.com/_/status/365520002234855426)
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barnabywalters Apparently “tile” is the new word for “rectangular piece of UI”
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@lehawes Mozilla is working to embed common social tasks in the browser. e.g. share, notification, communication, save-for-later. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365520203603386368)
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benwerd it's got a ring to it
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benwerd well, I mean, a rectangle
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barnabywalters Oblong
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Loqi [@malexander1219] cool demos from @appfusions integrating into both #IBM &amp
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Loqi #Jive platforms to solve business problems. #osfw3c #standards matter. (http://twtr.io/bGCqbbAUuQ)
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barnabywalters I am now officially an oblong designer. I design embedded oblong experiences
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barnabywalters You can click them and stuff
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@socialmediaclub Shane Carveo @mixedpuppy from Mozilla isn't a Robot (despite what his shirt says), but he is working on open services for browser #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365520527206514688)
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@katmandelstein Shane Carveo @mixedpuppy from Mozilla isn't a Robot (despite what his shirt says), but he is working on open services for browser #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365520779875594240)
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@lehawes Mozilla's current feature also include viewing an activity stream in a sidebar, social bookmarking and chat windows. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365520924763635712)
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@t #osfw3c day 2 #OpenSocial talks - all in Powerpoint. Why no Open Social presentation gadget? Y U NO #DOGFOOD? (o.o)// (ttk.me t4RR2) (twitter.com/_/status/365520994502311936)
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Loqi [@katmandelstein] RT @malexander1219: cool demos from @appfusions integrating into both #IBM &amp
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Loqi #Jive platforms to solve business problems. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bGD4vQcL_8)
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@gabrielsaldana RT @t: #osfw3c day 2 #OpenSocial talks - all in Powerpoint. Why no Open Social presentation gadget? Y U NO #DOGFOOD? (o.o)// (ttk.me t4RR2) (twitter.com/_/status/365521148018036736)
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@katmandelstein RT @lehawes: Mozilla's current feature also include viewing an activity stream in a sidebar, social bookmarking and chat windows. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365521180209332224)
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benwerd I hereby announce Open Oblong
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benwerd (Oplong?)
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barnabywalters The open social oblong social experience network format language dot jay ess
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barnabywalters Oops, I forgot Semantic
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benwerd I guess I've got to add some more words to http://fatberg.org/
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tantek benwerd - the other thing you could demo that would rock people's socks is comment CRUD
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benwerd good call
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aaronpk i think people like the actual demos
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tantek I guarantee no one here has gotten even close to thinking about how federated comment CRUD would work
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@eric_meeks #osfw3c @tantek You can find all my presentations at http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks in our Slideshare gadget (twitter.com/_/status/365522719585992705)
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Loqi [@dvdsmpsn] RT @malexander1219: cool demos from @appfusions integrating into both #IBM &amp
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Loqi #Jive platforms to solve business problems. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bGDfipZwG0)
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benwerd I'm going to do half and half slides and demo, but I can definitely zip through that.
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tantek showing that we've not only figured it out (hey architects!) but you've IMPLEMENTED IT would blow people away
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@benwerd The Mozilla Social API is very exciting to me. Really a way for sites to add functionality to the browser (if the user wants it). #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365522943893188608)
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barnabywalters I need to check out the Mozilla social API again. Last time I looked it was uninteresting compared to cross browser extensions
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@billchristian #osfw3c Couldn’t the Firefox Social API features planned to be offered natively be achieved via extensions today? (twitter.com/_/status/365523160793219072)
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tantek OH: "I'm not here as a representative of Google"
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benwerd barnabywalters: the thing that makes it most interesting to me is the way it installs
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@annbass Yes @t, BUT, evidence shows, too dang hard to make decent presentations in HTML, etc. Long time prob. Why no great alternatives? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365523340372361217)
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benwerd did we just learn that this audience enjoys mime?
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@vassko Web Components by Dimitri Glazkov (Google) at #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-components-intro-20130606/ (twitter.com/_/status/365523381812080640)
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tommorris One thing to bring up about the astronaut architecture stuff is that it's all very well to come up with some grand protocol, but on the web not everyone can use it
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tommorris HTTP+HTML is inherently democratic and cross-server-platform
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barnabywalters Hard to make decent presentations in HTML? wat?
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benwerd barnabywalters: I'll be presenting HTML slides in a little bit
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tommorris while something that works in Java but not in PHP (or vice versa) is doomed to failure because people who want to build tools in the other language can
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barnabywalters benwerd: I have seen them :)
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tommorris ...can't play
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@aaronpk @annbass @t Check out http://shwr.me - great HTML presentation framework, not too hard to use and... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/08/1/osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365523968150605824)
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benwerd barnabywalters: I really need to implement buffered posting ;)
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barnabywalters In fact, I replied to one
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benwerd well, that's bad news
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benwerd link?
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barnabywalters benwerd: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RQC_P/
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benwerd oh, I know why it didn't work
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tommorris I saw someone earlier on the osfw3c tag talking about MQTT. MQTT is cool... but it isn't HTTP
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benwerd what an idiot I am.
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@jasnell RT @vassko: Web Components by Dimitri Glazkov (Google) at #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-components-intro-20130606/ (twitter.com/_/status/365524300247203840)
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benwerd good note, too
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benwerd will fix bug and text ;)
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barnabywalters :)
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@lehawes Starting a highly-anticipated presentation on Web Components from a Google employee at #osfw3c. May be key to embedding social in HTML. (twitter.com/_/status/365524442765459456)
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tommorris IBM, Atlassian "enterprise use cases"? RUN AWAY
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@t And now at #osfw3c: * @mixedpuppy (Mozilla) overview of Social API. * @dglazkov (Google) overview of Web Components. (ttk.me t4RR3) (twitter.com/_/status/365524508439879680)
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bret This sounds kinda cool
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@_pius Day 2 of W3C Social Standards Workshop #osfw3c (@ Tank 18 w/ @gkellogg) https://foursquare.com/_pius/checkin/5203d4f5498e201870f0e490?s=EvXtkQhloQavyFzWYA12XX1tEmo&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365524637754482688)
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@jasnell @billchristian Andy S. and I have been working on a model similar to the social api built around web components... #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365524753089445890)
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barnabywalters benwerd: IRT earlier mozapi note — yes, simple installation is a huge plus and (after browser inconsistencies) the biggest thing plaguing browser extensions right now
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Loqi Atlassian” (http://twtr.io/bGESaeB0G0)
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mixedpuppy tommorris: interestingly, facebook uses mqtt for their chat system and presence
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@appfusions "RT @eric_meeks: #osfw3c @tantek You can find all my presentations at http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks in our Slideshare gadget" (twitter.com/_/status/365524899818770432)
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@katmandelstein RT @vassko: Web Components by Dimitri Glazkov (Google) at #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-components-intro-20130606/ (twitter.com/_/status/365524944425197569)
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mixedpuppy or maybe not interestingly
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mixedpuppy either way
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shaners i'm just starting my day. did i miss anything good yet?
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Loqi [@appfusions] !!!!!!!!!! :) &gt
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Loqi RT @billchristian: #osfw3c future of open social: <app&gt
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Loqi (http://twtr.io/bGEaFFsMBV)
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@canuckistani RT @t: And now at #osfw3c: * @mixedpuppy (Mozilla) overview of Social API. * @dglazkov (Google) overview of Web Components. (ttk.me t4RR3) (twitter.com/_/status/365525819042447362)
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@lehawes Google's Web Components allow declaration of custom HTML elements. Only works with Firefox, Opera and Chrome browsers now. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365526335713591296)
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@_robroj @appfusions Thank you for arranging #osfw3c! (twitter.com/_/status/365526348195831812)
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@jasnell @billchristian likewise, browser-native social apis ought to replace most of the opensocial javascript apis #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365526642786959360)
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@billchristian #osfw3c Are OpenSocial and W3C Components intersecting, overlapping, or contradictory? (twitter.com/_/status/365526829332828160)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/annbass/status/365526175419871232
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@annbass @aaronpk @t Sorry, no avg person will create presentations by writing HTML. Plus, not enuf functionality. Non-starter for enterprise.
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@lehawes Google Web Components also enable creation of HTML templates that can be embedded in custom elements for more rapid element creation #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365527163178467328)
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@evanpro #osfw3c day 2: standardize harder (@ Tank 18 w/ @aaronpk @t) https://foursquare.com/evanpro/checkin/5203d754498e356274ede036?s=auXpEa9cX-H8CeP53XPd-KYv4Uk&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365527195990511616)
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@jasnell @billchristian Currently overlapping and intersecting... eventually hopefully converging... #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365527423275630593)
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@annbass @_robroj @appfusions +1 with special thanks to @ellenfeaheny who did heavy lifting. Great job! #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365527707469094912)
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benwerd barnabywalters: I completely changed the URL format for slides. Any chance you'd mind updating your URL and trying again?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: Hm, looks like annbass is misunderstanding dogfooding a little
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barnabywalters benwerd: Try sending the mention again?
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benwerd barnabywalters: I had to change the URL completely, so the link needs to be updated at the source
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benwerd to, uh
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benwerd http://werd.io/slides/520335d6bed7de2e1a648b51/view?full#6
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aaronpk barnabywalters: yea I want to reply to her but it would be very snarky
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bret aaronpk: about the slides?
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bret tantek what happened?
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benwerd aaronpk: I'll make a comment about HTML slides and functionality when I show mine
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barnabywalters benwerd: I’m getting target not found errors
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benwerd nice
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benwerd by which I mean @#$*&(@#$
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benwerd ok, sorry - will figure out what happened. thanks for updating
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@SeyZ_ RT @eschnou: Interviewed by @deciara of @FastCoLabs about my "PRISM Break" story. Talked about #indieweb, identity, etc.. https://t.co/DlDy… (twitter.com/_/status/365529553491329024)
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barnabywalters No problem :) I’m off now, have a good time and hope the demos all go well
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c workshop day 2 (@ Tank 18 w/ @evanpro @t) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/5203d9b3498e9e8e0a4357bf?s=PJvovdHCopDdspmfjtdCiEjinpM&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365529732722335745)
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benwerd have a good one. thanks for your help!
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tantek bret - I just got next/prev working with my remote with my permalinks
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tantek thanks to help from aaronpk
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tantek quickly discovering how the Shower HTML5/js slide framework does it
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bret !!!!
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tantek yeah updating Falcon code < 1hr before preso
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tantek and demo
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aaronpk seems safe
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bret Did that lady who did the iPhone app leave?
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tantek where's that mem?
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tantek s/mem/mem
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Loqi tantek meant to say: where's that mem?
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tantek LOL
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tantek s/mem/meme
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aaronpk don't worry, i'm only editing my nginx server config <1 hr before demo
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aaronpk AWESOME
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/_pius/status/365529972418412544
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@_pius @annbass @aaronpk @t True, the functionality in these Powerpoints so far is mind-blowing ... no way you could duplicate that in HTML.
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aaronpk pius++
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Loqi pius has 1 karma
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benwerd barnabywalters: fixed it
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benwerd thanks again
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aaronpk hm i am not sure what happens if someone sends a webmention to my actual slide HTML file
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aaronpk we're up next!
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bret tantek: http://werd.io/view/5202ee95bed7de0c75188910
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Loqi [@t] Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGJSmHprhw)
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@t #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twitter.com/_/status/365536556611665920)
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bret Shane (from mozilla) are you in here?
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Loqi [@latrippi] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGJetETxWj)
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Loqi [@t] #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGJy2fZXaU)
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Loqi [@edd] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGKM6zRgUZ)
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@ozkanaltuner RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twitter.com/_/status/365538807694622722)
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tantek leaving IRC since I don't know how to turn off Growl in Colloquy and am about to go talk/demo
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tantek see you all in an hour or maybe less
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neuro` Good demo
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neuro` Have fun
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tantek thank neuro` :) #indiewebcamp got the slides live as I was posting them :)
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@latrippi RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twitter.com/_/status/365539189858631680)
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Loqi [@latrippi] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGKbvzNEg4)
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Loqi [@YannPdeM] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGKn2oFXGG)
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@YannPdeM RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twitter.com/_/status/365540111041040384)
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Loqi [@YannPdeM] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGKwfG_bSg)
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Loqi [@heathr] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGLaouWc54)
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Loqi [@Arty2] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGLdsNbyEQ)
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@benwerd Tantek presents #indieweb to #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365542818783035392/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365542818783035392)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c @t: all my slides are in HTML, and posted on my site http://tantek.com/2013/220/t4/indieweb-principles-ownyourdata-selfdogfood-posse (twitter.com/_/status/365542830220914689)
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Loqi [@vassko] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGLuL_cSy8)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c @t: Sef-dogfooding is a key #indieweb principle - build on your own API, on your own domain. Use your own code on your own site (twitter.com/_/status/365543312041582594)
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@lehawes Love that @t is walking the talk and using HTML pages instead of a proprietary presentation software for his #osfw3c session. (twitter.com/_/status/365543315711594498)
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c @t: all my slides are in HTML, and posted on my site http://tantek.com/2013/220/t4/indieweb-principles-ownyourdata-selfdogfood-posse (twitter.com/_/status/365543354924138497)
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@lehawes @t explaining #POSSE. Publish Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. Core #indieweb concept practiced most often by bloggers. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365544120900530178)
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@benwerd Aaron explains #indieauth to #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365544638892871680/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365544638892871680)
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@aaronpk Just logged in to my site using a Pebble! Demo for #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365545231720005632)
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Loqi [@rawn] #IndieAuth - identity/auth own your own site @aaronpk at #osfw3c #socbiz. #ownyourdata
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Loqi kinda like #VRM @dsearls https://indieauth.com/ (http://twtr.io/bGMmB2hGp5)
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@rawn RT @lehawes: Love that @t is walking the talk and using HTML pages instead of a proprietary presentation software for his #osfw3c session. (twitter.com/_/status/365545464860381186)
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@_pius Badass @aaronpk demo of #IndieAuth using Google Authenticator through his Pebble watch. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365545659778072577)
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neuro` tantek: already done? :)
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tantek neuro` yes! how did it go?
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@Gkellogg RT @_pius: Badass @aaronpk demo of #IndieAuth using Google Authenticator through his Pebble watch. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365546563445071872)
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tantek nicely done aaronpk!
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@billchristian RT @aaronpk: Just logged in to my site using a Pebble! Demo for #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c) (twitter.com/_/status/365546692453474304)
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@benwerd Bret demos his http://Bret.io #indieweb site #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365546841049296896/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365546841049296896)
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@lehawes Interesting demo from @aaronpk on #IndieAuth, a distributed web ID system. More info at https://indieauth.com/ #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365546915162632193)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Bret Comnes: I built an indieweb site hosted on github - edit with prose.io which will post to github for you (twitter.com/_/status/365546992430092289)
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tantek kevinmarks, why the "i" in iosfw3c?
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neuro` From a Twitter point of view, great. I'll probaly reuse your tweets and Kevin Marks live tweting as a support material whe we do an indie web camp Paris / when I do a talk about it
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@kategoodyear RT @lehawes: Interesting demo from @aaronpk on #IndieAuth, a distributed web ID system. More info at https://indieauth.com/ #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365547208680017922)
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@Gkellogg IndieAuth spec: http://t.co/ZdcAu78F5G. #osfw3c /via @aaronpk @t (twitter.com/_/status/365547243090083840)
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neuro` I wish I was in SF, from a Twitter POV, the conference looks interesting
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Loqi [@mastorna] Important thread “@t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4)” (http://twtr.io/bGNYf9H7ug)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Bret Comnes: I'm pinging @aaronpk's post to let him know I've commented on it on my site: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365547784973205505)
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@webtechman RT @lehawes: Interesting demo from @aaronpk on #IndieAuth, a distributed web ID system. More info at https://indieauth.com/ #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365548035670941696)
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@webtechman RT @appfusions: "RT @eric_meeks: #osfw3c @tantek You can find all my presentations at http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks in our Slideshare gadget" (twitter.com/_/status/365548501469368320)
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@benwerd A pleasure to see Evan explain pump.io. Such a cool system. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365549590491041793)
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@lehawes RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Streams in pump.io are ways to group activities together -eg actviities from one person, set of people, around image (twitter.com/_/status/365549934293958656)
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Loqi [@t] Thanks #osfw3c! Great #indieweb demos: * @aaronpk #indieauth &amp
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Loqi #p3k post * Bret.io @Github &amp
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Loqi Jekyll reply &amp
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Loqi #webmention (ttk.me t4RR8) (http://twtr.io/bGP_5CCt7E)
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@wseltzer #osfw3c Great to see "Running Code" for social applications presented live on the Web by @t @aaronpk bret.io and @evanpro (twitter.com/_/status/365550419579125761)
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@benwerd pump.io #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365551096766291968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365551096766291968)
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@jasnell @billchristian use application/stream+json for 1.0 #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365551222515699712)
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shaners aaronpk tantek bret: what was the reaction to your demos? any Q&A?
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@jasnell @billchristian use application/activity+json for 2.0. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365551417244655616)
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tantek shaners Q&A is held til the end of our block
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shaners tantek: is session still going?
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tantek yes
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tantek next up: benwerd!
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shaners my bad. good luck, team!
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@_pius Nice quote from @benwerd: "One size never fits all." #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365552026349862912)
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@lehawes @benwerd demoing Idno, a social publishing platform. Ben was the co-creator of Elgg, an open source social networking engine. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365552127717801984)
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Loqi [@veganstraightedge] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGQFQJDMzW)
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@ciberch Nice job with OSS contributions @evanpro Activity Streams https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/pulse #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365552397914877952)
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@billchristian #osfw3c Dangers of building a platform: “Putting the technology cart before the usability horse”. Been there. (twitter.com/_/status/365552570695036929)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c @benwerd: #indieweb is a social network that works like the web - the only real requirement is HTML microformats (twitter.com/_/status/365552916905459713)
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@girl_onthego The IndieWeb as a minimally viable social web ecosystem http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html (twitter.com/_/status/365553163849302016)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c @benwerd: #indieweb means you can test federated social workflows or contents on your own infrastructure (twitter.com/_/status/365553181125640192)
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@veganstraightedge "The #IndieWeb as a minimally viable social web ecosystem" http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html /by @benwerd (twitter.com/_/status/365553645200216068)
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@billchristian RT @ciberch: Nice job with OSS contributions @evanpro Activity Streams https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/pulse #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365553667564249088)
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@jasnell RT @ciberch: Nice job with OSS contributions @evanpro Activity Streams https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/pulse #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365553806542512128)
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Loqi [@t] #osfw3c @evanpro rocks it as usual with his pump.io talk &amp
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Loqi demo with #ActivityStreams CRUD support and more. (ttk.me t4RR9) (http://twtr.io/bGQwS5Mj6Q)
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@katmandelstein RT @_pius: Nice quote from @benwerd: "One size never fits all." #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365554378297454593)
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@benwerd The crowd at #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365554467254464512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365554467254464512)
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@appfusions RT @wseltzer: #osfw3c Great to see "Running Code" for social applications presented live on the Web by @t @aaronpk bret.io and @evanpro (twitter.com/_/status/365555093715697664)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: Open Mustard Seed is a personal data store that runs in a personal VM on the cloud so it is secure and independent (twitter.com/_/status/365555351384363009)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: users can install applications from a Trusted Application Bundle that specifies what data it wants access to (twitter.com/_/status/365555543424770048)
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@mixedpuppy I think I have to install #idno by @benwerd, he's working on #firefox #socialapi support, cool! #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365555595669020672)
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aaronpk added kevinmarks' curious #iosfw3c hashtag to the search so we don't lose it
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: users have control over their trusted compute cell, set up by zero-knowledge scripts (twitter.com/_/status/365555714476879873)
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@appfusions "RT @benwerd: The crowd at #osfw3c http://t.co/0RZrm1guq9" (twitter.com/_/status/365555796379045889)
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@ellenfeaheny "RT @benwerd: The crowd at #osfw3c http://t.co/nUrL6Q8HMw" (twitter.com/_/status/365555800283955200)
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@benwerd If you're interested in Idno: http://idno.co Indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365555961265520641)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/view/5203f223bed7dea7195778c2 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: each user's cell had an OPeniD connect server, a data store and lets you set up multiple personas for yourself (twitter.com/_/status/365555977879171073)
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Loqi [@Supermighty] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGR_1FfuYY)
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@benwerd RT @mixedpuppy: I think I have to install #idno by @benwerd, he's working on #firefox #socialapi support, cool! #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365556090982776833)
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@t #osfw3c @benwerd's talk&amp;demo uses idno slide posting support written 2 days ago in 1.5 hrs, after he had a root canal! (ttk.me t4RRA) (twitter.com/_/status/365556144363671552)
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@dowens IndieAuth https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/365556149040332801)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: we have a Functional Access Control Transform model that configures policies on the data being shared (twitter.com/_/status/365556216128221184)
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@lehawes @kevinmarks Check your event hashtag. You're including a superfluous "i" at the beginning. :&gt;) #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365556483607371776)
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@kevinmarks #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: Open Mustard Seed is described here: http://idcubed.org/open-platform/platform/ (twitter.com/_/status/365556658832814081)
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@lehawes RT @benwerd: If you're interested in Idno: http://idno.co Indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365556706035503107)
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: If you're interested in Idno: http://idno.co Indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365556969941123072)
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@t #osfw3c @benwerd idno.co will support @Mozilla Social API to easily post federated replies like http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c (ttk.me t4RRB) (twitter.com/_/status/365556976433897472)
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Loqi [@IBBoard] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGS3JkXvej)
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@rikkles RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c @t: Owning your own data means owning your own domain. I've been 'tweeting' from my own site since Jan 2010 (twitter.com/_/status/365557944860934144)
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@eric_meeks I sense a drift between enterprise needs and consumer needs with next generation social standards that should be fun to hack out #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365558658400129024)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @aaronpl and @t are favoriting all my mis-hashtagged #iosfw3c tweets - wondering if they're using their #indieweb tools (twitter.com/_/status/365558982422700032)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Q: @evanpro: what happened to OStatus? @t: we're all standing on the shoulders of giants based for all these sites (twitter.com/_/status/365559265370443777)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: rel-me Auth and #indieauth were a replacement for using OpenID, as it was too big and complex (twitter.com/_/status/365559440721723392)
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@vassko RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Q: @evanpro: what happened to OStatus? @t: we're all standing on the shoulders of giants based for all these sites (twitter.com/_/status/365559519918571521)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: Activity Streams are great ideas, but it was too big, so we're using the minimum subset (twitter.com/_/status/365559616794394624)
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@_pius New standard for standards from @t: "Can we write the code for it in an hour and a half after a root canal?" #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365559735723900928)
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@nchenga RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c @t: POSSE means that even if your friends are in gilded silos, you can still keep in touch. My slides: https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/365559783681560576)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @evanpro: OStatus is a suite of protocols for distributed social networking: Atom Activity streams, PubSubHubbub, Salmon, Webfinger (twitter.com/_/status/365560040326840320)
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@lehawes #osfw3c #indieweb panel talking about viability of oStatus to them. Sounds like to much complexity for their preference for simplicity. (twitter.com/_/status/365560239610789888)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @evanpro: the OStatus protocol was published in 2010, there's a w3c community group, implemented by several systems, No client API (twitter.com/_/status/365560244547493888)
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neuro` tantek: I was wondering: how do you manage Twitter "in reply to" within falcon?
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@vassko #osfw3c open social #w3c at work @ Tank 18 http://instagram.com/p/cw7amUr_G5/ (twitter.com/_/status/365560427838578689)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @evanpro: OStatus doesn't have distribution control - it is a public-only model, doesn't fit business networks etc (twitter.com/_/status/365560430531317761)
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@lehawes Lack of client API and publisher distribution controls are specific obstacles to #indieweb adoption, per @evanpro. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365560479051030529)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: A lot of us have implemnted PubSubHubbub, but we're not sure who's using it. WebMention replaces Salmon PuSH much more simply (twitter.com/_/status/365560703676977152)
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Loqi [@serialseb] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGTKZSoJcs)
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aaronpk for thoroughness i'm going to hopefully pull all of kevinmarks' previous #iosfw3c tweets into here
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@kevinmarks @lehawes @evanpro that wasn't abut #indieweb, but about OStatus, which is the previous protocol stack #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365561045831516160)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c The webmention protocol used to cross federate comments by @t @aaronpk @benwerd et al is documented at http://webmention.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/365561994666979328)
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Loqi [@PhilippeAntoine] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGTiW2zNoY)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Q: can we make #indieweb work in a big company? - lunch discussion (twitter.com/_/status/365562267258994689)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c The webmention protocol used to cross federate comments by @t @aaronpk @benwerd et al is documented at http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/365562514894897153)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @evanpro: Why can't we federate social across enterprises? must we fall back to email? (twitter.com/_/status/365562874564841472)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @evanpro: Why can't we federate social across enterprises? must we fall back to email? (twitter.com/_/status/365563146750013442)
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@lehawes @kevinmarks @evanpro Thanks, Kevin. That's what I meant, but didn't word my tweet correctly. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365563281814986752)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: getting on the #indieweb how to- lunch session (twitter.com/_/status/365563573012926464)
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@lehawes RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c webmention protocol used to cross federate comments by @t @aaronpk @benwerd is documented at http://webmention.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/365563595305656320)
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@vassko Open discussions at Open Social later today #osfw3c #w3c https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365564099448430592/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365564099448430592)
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Loqi [@nyrosmith] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGUV1fGNkL)
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@_pius Put #indieweb into MBA terms and call it a low-end disruption of current standards. Enterprise IT will race to adopt it. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365564200224964609)
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aaronpk pius++
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Loqi pius has 2 karma
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barnabywalters lol
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barnabywalters does anyone here use cucumber/similar for testing?
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pius barnabywalters: used to
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Loqi [@fohlin] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi @Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGUdErudHb)
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@fohlin RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twitter.com/_/status/365564613837848576)
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@lehawes Getting down to business now at #osfw3c. Working lunch group discussions of specific areas to consider for possible standardization. (twitter.com/_/status/365564621895106560)
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Loqi [@fohlin] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGUdkHCX8p)
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neuro` barnabywalters: using rspec
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barnabywalters I’m interested in why we only use natural language + solvers for testing as opposed to writing applications too
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barnabywalters e.g. something like this https://gist.github.com/barnabywalters/6188240
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neuro` It looks like what we're doing with Publify.
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barnabywalters neuro`: really? cool — do you have a link to some example code?
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barnabywalters where should I look in the GH repo
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neuro` barnabywalters: if I understood what you were looking for, probably something like this https://github.com/fdv/publify/blob/master/spec/controllers/accounts_controller_spec.rb
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neuro` If I didn't, I'm sorry, my English is not 100% perfect
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neuro` And some other controller specs that also test the views
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@webtechman RT @_pius: Put #indieweb into MBA terms and call it a low-end disruption of current standards. Enterprise IT will race to adopt it. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365570232435212288)
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shaners barnabywalters: I've thought about this idea of writing apps in "natural language" before. But never really went anywhere with it.
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shaners barnabywalters: https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6188411
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barnabywalters neuro`: so that’s a test file, right? I’m talking about defining the actual business logic with that sort of format
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barnabywalters shaners: reading
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shaners barnabywalters: not exactly the same as your example. but similar in spirit.
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neuro` barnabywalters: oh, that. Sorry.
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barnabywalters shaners: interesting!
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barnabywalters neuro`: no problem :)
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shaners but like it says, just an idea sketch.
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shaners it came to me on a plane ride home from a work trip where i had read this oral history of Xerox PARC
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barnabywalters shaners: recently I’m becoming more and more disenchanted with programming == dumping tens of thousands of lines of weirdly formatted text in files
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shaners http://www.amazon.com/Dealers-Lightning-Xerox-PARC-Computer/dp/0887309895
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barnabywalters I have tonnes of ideas for visual programming environments, and how they can make debugging, testing, exploring real world applications so much better
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barnabywalters but I don’t have any idea how to make anything like that :)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: you should check out Max/MSP
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barnabywalters so I’m trying to come up with temporary alternatives
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aaronpk it's basically a visual programming environment, but is designed for music
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I’ve played around with puredata a little bit, it’s something I need to check out some more
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aaronpk yea PD is basically the same
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barnabywalters but open source :)
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shaners barnabywalters: i'm sorry to hear that. bc for the foreseeable future, that's the reality.
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aaronpk made by the same dude IIRC
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barnabywalters huh I didn’t know it was the same author!
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shaners barnabywalters: do you use ruby?
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barnabywalters shaners: no, mainly python at the moment
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barnabywalters at work at least, and a lot of PHP for personal stuff
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aaronpk barnabywalters: yep! Miller Puckette
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shaners ok. maybe python has something like this, but Tree Top is basically a DSL for writing DSLs
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shaners http://treetop.rubyforge.org
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shaners there's also kpeg for writing a grammar. https://github.com/evanphx/kpeg
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shaners me and @evanphx used it to implement my templating language: Dang
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shaners https://github.com/veganstraightedge/dang/
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barnabywalters woah, this is interesting: http://www.chmod777self.com/2013/08/now-that-you-mention-it.html
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barnabywalters HTTP LINK method for webmentions
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barnabywalters shaners: just checking out treetop
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shaners barnabywalters. so. python prolly has similar tools. but maybe you could write a thin dsl on top of whatever web framework you use to do that more Sinatra-like natural language programming
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barnabywalters shaners: yeah initially I’m thinking of basically copying cucumber’s way of doing things
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shaners you know about Sinatra, right?
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barnabywalters shaners: yep
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shaners good
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barnabywalters we use flask a bit a work, which is a python equivalent
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shaners your example is really two different changes: 1. natural language-y programming (like cucumber) and 2. mixing routes and code in the same place (like Sinatra)
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Loqi [@tabatkins] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGY0Ph65N8)
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shaners still. i think it's a clever idea.
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barnabywalters shaners: I’ll try putting together a minimal implementation of it this weekend
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shaners boom!
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barnabywalters I also need to write up a load of the visual programming/debugging/abstration/visualisation ideas in case someone else can actually make them
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@kevinmarks RT @_pius: Put #indieweb into MBA terms and call it a low-end disruption of current standards. Enterprise IT will race to adopt it. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365577424697700352)
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Loqi [@ckeithray] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGZJnN7T_R)
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donpdonp whats a good persona-enabled site to try this with?
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barnabywalters donpdonp: any openphoto site allows login via persona, e.g. http://photos.waterpigs.co.uk/
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donpdonp barnabywalters: thx
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donpdonp barnabywalters: speaking of self-hosted photos have you tried mediagoblin?
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barnabywalters donpdonp: nope, I haven’t. I don’t use openphoto much any more, it’s only really still there to keep a few hundred links alive
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donpdonp okay
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barnabywalters it’s pretty cool that mediagoblin supports video though
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barnabywalters aaronpk: did you PESOS some videos from vine at some point?
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barnabywalters as in, the files are actually stored on your server?
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barnabywalters tantek: huh? that didn’t exist already?
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@JohnFontana IndieAuth: Log-in using your domain name. Implementation of RelMeAuth, which links to #OAuth profiles https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/365580688331780096)
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tantek !tell barnabywalters we need a page on your "Own Your Comments" extension on the indiewebcamp wiki that explains how it works with the <action> tag
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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barnabywalters okay now I’m confused
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 16 seconds ago: we need a page on your "Own Your Comments" extension on the indiewebcamp wiki that explains how it works with the <action> tag
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barnabywalters I wrote a load of stuff on that page. where’d it go?
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tantek sorry - case-sensitive thing
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tantek ok, fixed :)
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barnabywalters tantek: the own your comments extension is a bit dead — webactions (esp. inline webactions) has pretty muche replaced it
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barnabywalters tantek: phew!
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barnabywalters thanks :)
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tantek but what browser extension supports webactions?
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tantek I can't find it anywhere on the webactions page or your page http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt
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@scaganoff RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: A lot of us have implemnted PubSubHubbub, but we're not sure who's using it. WebMention replaces Salmon PuSH m… (twitter.com/_/status/365581204323450880)
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barnabywalters huh, I should probably have mentioned it on the webactions page
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@dvdsmpsn @ellenfeaheny No problem. Hope all is well. Looks like a great venue. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365582655464542211)
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tantek drat
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tantek wanted to ask him where the endpoints are defined and how
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tantek !tell barnabywalters how does an indiewebsite define its own web action end points for the Web Action Hero Toolbelt extension to call through to?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@webtechman Great Social Enterprise software is components that can be arranged like musical notes to the melody of current work flows #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365587084720865282)
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@gfxman RT @vassko: Open discussions at Open Social later today #osfw3c #w3c https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365564099448430592/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/365587261141684224)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 9 minutes ago: how does an indiewebsite define its own web action end points for the Web Action Hero Toolbelt extension to call through to?
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tantek hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters Greetings
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tantek is web-action-hero-toolbelt using an extension framework?
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barnabywalters Yep, the kango framework
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tantek trying to figure out how to connect it to existing Mozilla Social API support
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barnabywalters Which allows it to work in several browsers
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tantek rather than having to configure the endpoint URLs in web-action-hero-toolbelt manually
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tantek right
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barnabywalters How does the moz social API do discovery?
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tantek Firefox 23 (shipped this week) supports Social API
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barnabywalters It might be fairly simple to hook it up
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barnabywalters oh great — last time I had to do loads of weird FF config stuff to get it working
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tantek that would be great
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barnabywalters Another project would be to use kango to shim the entire social API so any browser can support it
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tantek barnabywalters - mixedpuppy (Shane Caraveo) is your man
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tantek sure!
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barnabywalters waves to mixedpuppy
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tantek :)
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mixedpuppy hi!
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mixedpuppy :)
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barnabywalters hi! Currently reading through the social api docs
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: this is what the action tag could call (fx23+)
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mixedpuppy https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/social/MozSocialAPI.jsm#167
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bret barnabywalters: you are going to get a present from mozilla :)
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: you wont see the internal apis documented on mdn
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barnabywalters bret: ??
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bret action tag support!
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bret (for your reply buttons)
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barnabywalters Woah cool!
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mixedpuppy well, actually, the data for mozSocial.share is good, but from an addon, you'd call SocialShare.sharePage
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pius I also think a good approach to take with the shim would be to just use Javascript (no browser extension). Paul Irish did that to great success with http://code.google.com/p/html5shim/
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barnabywalters mixedpuppy: So what is the best place to learn about the APIs?
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: me
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: or the firefox repository
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pius (et al)
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser-social.js
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mixedpuppy that would be the apis that an extension could call
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barnabywalters_ mixedpuppy: reading
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mixedpuppy though I warn you, we're refactoring for fx26
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barnabywalters_ this looks somewhat complex
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mixedpuppy barnabywatlers_: all you need to actually do is what I pointed you to earlier….call SocialShare.sharePage(undefined, dataObj) and firefox will provide the share ui
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mixedpuppy dataObj is the same as documented on MDN for mozSocial.share
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mixedpuppy so all the addon needs to do is handle the action tag itself, and call SocialShare.sharePage when the user clicks on the action tag
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tantek so it sounds like the social api has a notion of a "post" verb
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tantek called "share"
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barnabywalters_ okay, and FF handles registration of services? I have FF 26, what do I need to do to turn the social API on?
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barnabywalters_ social.enabled in about:config?
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mixedpuppy no, dont do prefs
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mixedpuppy hold on
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters_: there is a short list of providers on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Social_API
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tantek barnabywalters - this is what I was looking for: http://indiewebcamp.com/Web_Action_URL_APIs
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barnabywalters tantek: ah, yep — that’s where I’ve been documenting services which can be used with webactions
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: basically, go to one of those sites, and activate from there
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@louleporace Thanks to @ellenfeaheny and @appfsions for hosting the W3C open social forum in San Francisco. The groups are off to a great start. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365592760696307712)
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barnabywalters okay, working with fb, I think…
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barnabywalters I had to turn it off and on again for it to log me in, but it’s working now
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: is there an installable version of your addon somewhere?
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barnabywalters mixedpuppy: at the moment they’re just in the git repo here: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt/tree/master/output
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: fb introduced a bug into their sidebar the other day, so some things might not work entirely (but share should)
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Loqi [@_nat] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGe6UN39_x)
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barnabywalters I haven’t set up a proper deployment and auto-update workflow for them yet
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barnabywalters oh yep, I’ve got the share dialog opening correctly
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barnabywalters so fb are detecting that they’re in a socialapi popover and displaying different content?
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@eric_meeks let's not let cool be the enemy of practical now that it's time to do some real work 'at'Voltaire #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365594424945807361)
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: no, it's basicaly a url template that we load
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barnabywalters I did make a big iframe+postMessage way of doing this with inline webactions and responsive UIs
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barnabywalters it’s a little too complex for my liking but it works
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barnabywalters (my implementation, that is)
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barnabywalters the part of web action toolbelt I use more than any other is the select-to-quote UI
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mixedpuppy barnabywalters: the addon preferences are not working in firefox
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mixedpuppy hmm, it works from the toolbarbutton, but not from about:addons
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barnabywalters this is how far I got with inline webaction dialog boxes, on indienews: http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/inline-webaction-demo.gif
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barnabywalters just adding that example to /webactions
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barnabywalters (side note: imageoptim is *amazing* with gifs. That was 1.4MB, cut down by > 90% with minimal loss of quality)
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mixedpuppy listening to some of the summaries of the various groups
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@BarnabyWalters Taking distributed #indieweb actions on your own site, in context? Yes, webaction toolbelt does that: (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RRNLz/) (twitter.com/_/status/365598542473076737)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: that's awesome
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barnabywalters aaronpk: thanks :) just doing another of the select-to-quote bit
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barnabywalters fortunately there’s plenty of excellent material from the past two days to quote!
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aaronpk whoa awesome
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@Gkellogg ActivityStreams 2.0 could use JSON-LD with own mime type having default @context specified in spec #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365599680719110144)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: the next hard UX problem #indieweb has is that we have to copy and pasting of URLs instead of having a reply button. (twitter.com/_/status/365600266592059393)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: there is a browser extension that could be a web-wide #indieweb reply button: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt (twitter.com/_/status/365600311005552640)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: common use cases we're struggling with are states of activities - eg have they been read (twitter.com/_/status/365600342332817409)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: Activity Streams have a syntax for people that liked and event, but not 'have I liked it?' and actions for this. (twitter.com/_/status/365600375539109888)
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aaronpk tantek: oh this is what jasnell was talking about with the LINK action http://www.chmod777self.com/2013/08/now-that-you-mention-it.html
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @ciberch: why do we need JSON-LD for Activity Streams? Helps consumers who like JSON-LD, doesn't make it more complex (twitter.com/_/status/365600419860320257)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c "there are many existing ontologies for structuring profiles, we need to be able to sync and connect them across systems" (twitter.com/_/status/365600489016004608)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c "Look at existing standards, core sets of profile attributes, see if there are enough" (twitter.com/_/status/365600534478073856)
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tantek aaronpk - does it make sense to you? as someone who's implemented webmention
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@ciberch RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: why do we need JSON-LD for Activity Streams? Helps consumers who like JSON-LD, doesn't make it more compl… (twitter.com/_/status/365600785033199617)
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aaronpk it's true that it's simpler because it doesn't require discovery. that part I like. you just send the "mention" (or LINK) directly to the URL
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tantek so that is fewer steps?
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tantek one less step?
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barnabywalters would that make it harder to implement for people running static sites?
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aaronpk one less step, you don't need to find the webmention endpoint
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aaronpk yes, so the problem is it's way less likely to actually get adoption
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tantek but what about folks that might use a webmention proxy?
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tantek like for sending pingbacks?
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barnabywalters removing discovery would be great, it’d be a pity to lose support for static content though
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tantek er, receiving webmentions and passing the through as pingbacks
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aaronpk right, the discovery adds a layer of indirection which is nice because it lets us separate out the server that handles the webmention
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aaronpk so yes, discovery is an extra step, but at the same time it provides a lot of benefits
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tantek is it possible to capture this on the indiewebcamp.com/webmention wiki page as an alternative with contrasts? just copy/pasting from what you just said?
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@jasnell RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: why do we need JSON-LD for Activity Streams? Helps consumers who like JSON-LD, doesn't make it more compl… (twitter.com/_/status/365601258498826240)
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk under issues or faq?
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tantek maybe a new section? == Alternatives ==
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@lehawes RT @kevinmarks #osfw3c "there are many existing ontologies for structuring profiles, we need to be able to sync/connect them across systems" (twitter.com/_/status/365601701543165952)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @harryhalpin: we have 4 things to consider: Activity Streams 2.0, Profile Interop, Opensocial.next() and [er, I forgot what he said] (twitter.com/_/status/365601732518096896)
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@lehawes RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c "Look at existing standards, core sets of profile attributes, see if there are enough" (twitter.com/_/status/365601746598363137)
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tantek is done
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @harryhalpin: there were concerns raised yesterday about http://schema.org licensing - guha is here. (twitter.com/_/status/365601963674583040)
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@lehawes @kevinmarks 4). Property Graphs #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365602060617531393)
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@eric_meeks @kevinmarks I believe/hope that JSON-LD would allow activity streams content to be more flexible, as the data is self described #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365602100136255488)
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@BarnabyWalters The webaction toolbelt can also do select-to-quote: Previously: Quoting UI #indieweb #webactions (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RRNfk/) (twitter.com/_/status/365603517139918848)
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@vassko ibm, @jivesoftware, tibco oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ (twitter.com/_/status/365603629597589504)
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@vassko @ibm, @jivesoftware, @tibco oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ (twitter.com/_/status/365604271791673345)
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@Sociability ★ There is a browser extension that could be a web-wide #indieweb reply button: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt (via @kevinmarks) (twitter.com/_/status/365604634418622465)
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi don't let the bed bugs bite
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tantek indieweb folks - I have to leave by 16:15
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benwerd Odds of me leaving a Ben-sized hole in the wall and going to go see Pacific Rim or something: increasing as the hour goes on
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tantek not Elysium?
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benwerd oh, is that out?
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tantek soon?
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tantek maybe tomorrow?
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benwerd I think maybe tomorrow
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benwerd I definitely want to see it.
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benwerd (Going to see Godzilla at the Paramount in Oakland tomorrow though.)
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bret I saw pac rim already, but I might be down to see a movie
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@gfxman RT @vassko: @ibm, @jivesoftware, @tibco oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ (twitter.com/_/status/365610462282391552)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @harryhalpin: Activity Streams are in the IETF @ciberch: no, it's in OWF 2.0 may go to IETF (twitter.com/_/status/365610516166610944)
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bret tantek: you in on any of these groups? Will IW is an already existing group. can the w3c endorse that
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bret ?
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@socialmediaclub Like...alot! RT @vassko: @IBM, @JiveSoftware, @TIBCO oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ #socialbiz (twitter.com/_/status/365610633141563392)
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tantek bret it seem like a lot of the groups being proposed are enterprise specific
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tantek I think the best we can do is help make indieweb as awesome an re-usable as possible
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@katmandelstein Like...alot! RT @vassko: @IBM, @JiveSoftware, @TIBCO oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ #socialbiz (twitter.com/_/status/365610905892945921)
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benwerd ^ this
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benwerd er, not Jive and IBM working together.
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benwerd but making excellent things.
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benwerd Documentation, multiple off-the-shelf-ish projects, libraries.
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bret I'm still baffled how IBM got wrapped up with second life
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bret I wonder if they still do that
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bret (second life meetings0
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bret )
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benwerd Oh god I did that when I worked in education
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bret XD
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benwerd awful
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benwerd on the other hand, literally the only corporate meeting type likely to be interrupted by projectile phalluses
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aaronpk i like how everybody assums they will talk loudly enough and that they are somehow special and don't need a mic
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benwerd I'm zoned out enough that there is no mic loud enough right now. Pretty wiped.
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shaners wycats_: I'm always seeing you in the room, but never be talking. you too, @brixen.
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bret im spechow
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bret :p
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bret tantek: you here?
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tantek yeah - in the back, fading :/
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bret wake up!
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tantek hoping that KevinMarks can help it
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bret Someone tweet that guy make sure he's awake
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aaronpk for the record, google would like as many people as possible to both produce and consume the data
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aaronpk schema.org data*
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: I heard there is a problem with licensing http://schema.org - we want people to consume as well as produce it (twitter.com/_/status/365612677655052288)
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aaronpk whether you are able to consume the data is between you and that site
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aaronpk for example, you are some site and you want to consume yelp.com's schema.org data
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aaronpk that is between you and yelp
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bret (aaronpk is summarizing what is being said)
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tantek huh - none of that has anything to do with the patent licensing problem on schema-org's TOS
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tantek this is completely missing the point and I lack the energy to argue that
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bret Should we read it to him?
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tantek I'm hoping KevinMarks will
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@benwerd "The licensing terms of http://schema.org encourages everyone to produce and consume data." Wording doesn't suggest that? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365612989895811072)
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tantek benwerd - exactly
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aaronpk benwerd: you're closest to the extra mic
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tantek the words on the TOS don't agree with what he's saying
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bret here we go
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aaronpk kevinmarks is on it
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tantek so they need to update it - we can't just take Guha's word for it
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aaronpk "i'm sorry, that license was written by lawyers to allow this to happen"
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tantek then use a standard license
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aaronpk so the resolution is he will go add info to the FAQ to explicitly describe what he is talking about here
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@billchristian RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Guha: I heard there is a problem with licensing http://schema.org - we want people to consume as well as produ… (twitter.com/_/status/365613931680636928)
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aaronpk and will bring it up with the google lawyers that people are confused
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: google will defend you from patent trolls who threaten you for publishing http://schema.org markup (twitter.com/_/status/365613978241605632)
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@benwerd "Sorry, that license was written by lawyers." http://Schema.org seems to be directing us to disregard the license terms. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365614006846763009)
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aaronpk huh, http://www.guha.com/
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aaronpk http://www.guha.com/cv.html instead
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aaronpk over 4,000,000 sites publish schema.org
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: there are over 4 million sites using http://schema.org it's in our interest - the major search vendors - to let this grow (twitter.com/_/status/365614603708805121)
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tantek bret - they use cc-by-* something I think
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tantek they need to use a liberal patent license like OWFa
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Q: why not use CC0? Guha: it's more liberal than CC0 [it says Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (version 3.0). ] (twitter.com/_/status/365614899679854593)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: http://schema.org is not just 4 companies coming up with things in smoky rooms - we have other companies involved too (twitter.com/_/status/365615123932516353)
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brixen shaners: what's up, buddy?
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brixen shaners: not talking cus I'm busy building shit :)
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shaners just a voyeur, huh? brixen
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shaners ;)
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@billchristian #osfw3c does Activity Streams need an api to help define a model for performing subscriptions, retrieving a social graph, etc. (twitter.com/_/status/365615552800104448)
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brixen lol sure I love watching
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@appfusions RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Guha: there are over 4 million sites using http://schema.org it's in our interest - the major search vendors -… (twitter.com/_/status/365615629836886016)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: Activity Streams doesn't have traction on the web [Is he saying G doesn't have traction?] (twitter.com/_/status/365615647255834624)
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shaners IRC: A Spectator Sport™
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benwerd "In addition, if the Sponsors have patent claims that are necessarily infringed by including markup of structured data in a webpage, where the markup is based on and strictly complies with the Schema, they grant an option to receive a license under reasonable and non-discriminatory terms without royalty, solely for the purpose of including markup of structured data in a webpage, where the markup is based on and strictly complies w
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benwerd ith the Schema."
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aaronpk "this thing is working on 300,000 android phones today, we aren't going to break that just to conform to activity streams"
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benwerd just for reference.
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@ellenfeaheny RT @katmandelstein: Like...alot! RT @vassko: @IBM, @JiveSoftware, @TIBCO oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ #social… (twitter.com/_/status/365616002274295808)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: you have no idea how many of our choices have been based on the vocabularies mailing list [because you don't document them] (twitter.com/_/status/365616358802718720)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: we need a strong driving application to get people to publish markup - there is a value proposition there (twitter.com/_/status/365616611463413762)
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@aaronpk The last day of #osfw3c is wrapping up with the creator of http://schema.org to address the patent concerns... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/3/osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365616659257499648)
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@ellenfeaheny Awesome discussion/debate/discussion/debate around legals etc. wrt Google's http://schema.org (with Google's Guha) #osfw3c #goodVetting (twitter.com/_/status/365616955991932928)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: it has to be usable by webmasters - it will be on the http://schema.org website, not many namespace declarations (twitter.com/_/status/365617062258806784)
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brixen shaners: please to help convince terence of my :engine_version proposal
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: we're not a standards body, we're not even a legal entity (twitter.com/_/status/365617160913039360)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c q: it sounds like there is a bit of an impasse - what is the governance process? Guha: made by 4 member companies. It's not open. (twitter.com/_/status/365617535321780224)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c q: http://schema.org is not a legal entity, there's 4 companies and no-one else gets a say? Guha: Yes, thats how it works. (twitter.com/_/status/365617829115985922)
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aaronpk that sounded personal
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @t: I'll believe the updated ToS when I see it. (twitter.com/_/status/365618517070348288)
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shaners aaronpk: is he speaking to the license issue at all?
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aaronpk shaners: yea that was at teh very beginning
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@benwerd Watching tech democracy at work. It's amazing to see different interests (heatedly) debate with each other in a room. #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365618670078140419)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c Guha: We need for every activity type to be a class. We have a model which will not change. (twitter.com/_/status/365618711475929088)
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bret tantek: this guy is unbelievably arrogant about these valid points of criticism….
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @wendyg as a lawyer, I will see if can clarify what the questions are on http://schema.org licence and get this sorted out (twitter.com/_/status/365619303170572288)
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@gfxman Lively and at times a little testy conversation going on about http://t.co/mObXVX64VY. * grabs popcorn * #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365619400625229824)
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bret i know its tough to be under scrutiny, but if you are alienating all these different groups so that you can have a "strong" vocabulary, you are doing something wrong
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bret pop he needs the last word
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @wseltzer: as a lawyer, I will see if can clarify what the questions are on http://schema.org licence and get this sorted out (twitter.com/_/status/365619702631895040)
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@lehawes RT @gfxman: Lively and at times a little testy conversation going on about http://t.co/h1GbOXyEgs. * grabs popcorn * #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365619705060392961)
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bret yes Mein Führer
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bret well that was better
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@eric_meeks When standards get in my way, truly get in my way, I drop them as well. That's how and why standards evolve #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365619808877821954)
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bret at least we got that, that was the right thing to close with
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@ciberch @google sent a rep to #osfw3c to say we can use http://schema.org regardless of its TOS and sorry ASMS has no adoption so they ignored (twitter.com/_/status/365620166224117760)
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@lehawes RT @eric_meeks: When standards get in my way, truly get in my way, I drop them as well. That's how and why standards evolve #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365620856069693440)
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@webtechman RT @billchristian: #osfw3c does Activity Streams need an api to help define a model for performing subscriptions, retrieving a social graph… (twitter.com/_/status/365620982905454594)
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@jasnell Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twitter.com/_/status/365621021665001474)
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@kevinmarks #osfw3c @harryhalpin: sign up for the http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/ mailing list to continue discussions (twitter.com/_/status/365621397558538240)
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@lehawes RT @jasnell: Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twitter.com/_/status/365621472871460865)
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@jasnell Specs like Activity Streams ought to be viewed simply as ideas written down, tools anyone can use. #osfw3c @lehawes @eric_meeks (twitter.com/_/status/365621717047066624)
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@lehawes @jasnell @eric_meeks So we need to standardize the definition of 'standard'? ;&gt;) #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365621900799508482)
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Loqi [@webtechman] @J_R_T @billchristian Thanks for the RT &amp
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Loqi sharing thoughts about #osfw3c #socbiz ;) (http://twtr.io/bGp6Hg8s7V)
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@jasnell A spec doesn't become a standard until it's adopted at scale. One person publishing a spec doesn't count #osfw3c @lehawes @eric_meeks (twitter.com/_/status/365621941937250304)
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@kevinmarks RT @jasnell: Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twitter.com/_/status/365623070049832960)