#indiewebcamp 2013-09-01

2013-09-01 UTC
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@DarkSoul4242 RT @fdevillamil: IndieAuth is so far what I consider the best solution for reliable, decentralized authentication, but I see at lea... http… (twitter.com/_/status/373982863605379072)
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tantek.com moved /web-sign-in to /Web_sign-in "move to canonical name"
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tantek.com edited /Web_sign-in (+901) "add Why, Implementations, and Articles sections" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Why_web_sign-in (+15) "/* Why web sign-in */ create web sign-in article and link to it as well as relmeauth" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Squarespace (+552) "stub with information to help with web sign-in discovery setup" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2929) "start drafting follow-ups to Aral's post based on IRC points" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+1276) "put user description, how-to first, move implementation details together afterwards, moved second issues section to a security issue section, add issue Need Simple Copy Paste How To" (view diff)
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acegiak /w/win 2
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tantek ?
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tantek.com edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+3607) "add a few more follow-ups" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2647) "add a few more follow-ups" (view diff)
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neuro` Good morning (ugt)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 56 minutes ago: Aral doesn't intend to be trollish or make you angry. He's genuinely trying to improve usability. His ideas may not necessarily have merit for doing so, however the motivation and method (fewer steps) are right on.
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barnabywalters yeah, I know. the first part is constructive and valid
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (-4) "Minor grammatical and typographical fixes" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+1415) "/* ... */ Added sections about well-known profile URLs and me.txt" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+23) "/* Well-known Photo URLs */ BQ" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+69) "/* Well-known URL profile text files */ BQ" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+82) "/* Well-known URL profile text files */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters tantek: okay, I added some more points: http://indiewebcamp.com/On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup#Well-known_Photo_URLs — I wasn’t sure how to best respond to “Solving the right problems”
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@aral Read: Thoughts on privacy by @dsearls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/08/31/thoughts-on-privacy/ Excellent. Also see: http://aralbalkan.com/notes/indie-data/ Via @CasparBowden #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374147451223289857)
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@depage_net RT @aral: Indie Data http://aralbalkan.com/notes/indie-data/ #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374150460477014017)
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@BarnabyWalters On Friday I made a bunch of @indiewebcamp badges in preparation for IWC UK — thanks @piratepartyis for letting me u… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RpCu2/ (twitter.com/_/status/374153173885542400)
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RpCu2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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@aral RT @CasparBowden: Privacy may be the next big thing https://medium.com/surveillance-state/ca083a5b6b7d by @vrypan I agree :) #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374157276111966208)
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@rjstrikers RT @aral: RT @CasparBowden: Privacy may be the next big thing https://medium.com/surveillance-state/ca083a5b6b7d by @vrypan I agree :) #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374158811331706880)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2013/UK (+0) "/* Guest List */ updated counts" (view diff)
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@AdamSanto RT @gaelehi: Disappearing in Plain Sight by Francis L. Guenette http://gaele.sweaterveststudio.com/?p=5243 @FrancisGuenette #goodread #contemporary #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/374172436688039938)
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aaronpk tantek: thanks for documenting a reply to Aral's indieauth post
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aaronpk I was AFK when he posted that
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@bethelightwrite "Nicely written and beautifully real." New #bookreview in for Riverbend! #indieauth I'm a happy girl! (twitter.com/_/status/374188125196521475)
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@PiratePartyIS RT @BarnabyWalters: On Friday I made a bunch of @indiewebcamp badges in preparation for IWC UK — thanks @piratepartyis for letting me u… ht… (twitter.com/_/status/374188710536830977)
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tantek good morning indiewebcamp
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tantek aaronpk - np, I thought it was the kind of thing that would be better documented on the wiki rather than a blog post - too many things Aral got wrong on a point by point basis.
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tantek but mixed in with just enough valid points / issues that those wore worthy of capturing too
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tantek that kind of mix makes for a very bad blog post response unfortunately - because there is no good summary
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tantek unlike your response post to trickle down tech - where *everything* Aral said was wrong, so a post debunking all of it makes sense.
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aaronpk makes sense
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aaronpk the wiki page looks good
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tantek it's mostly done ;)
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@CAugustin_de RT @aral: Indie Data http://aralbalkan.com/notes/indie-data/ #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374190204900605952)
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lmjabreu.com edited /2013/UK (+321) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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aaronpk uh is klint finley really coming to IWCUK? or is that apprentice entry left over from copying from 2013 pdx?
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aaronpk oh it says "example"...
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aaronpk I'm going to replace his photo with a placeholder
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/UK (-11) "replace klint's photo with a placeholder" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2013/UK (+0) "/* Guest List */ counts" (view diff)
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christopheducamp.com edited /2013/UK (+801) "Just registered under [User:T37.net|Fred de Villamil]'s apprentice. Currently learning command line tools... Planning 2013 : "selfdogfood" and POSSE with french motorists. Jekyll's one click install via @hrefhef and/or Publify." (view diff)
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barnabywalters POSSE with French motorists? That sounds pretty interesting
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2013/UK (+14) "/* Guest List */ counts" (view diff)
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barnabywalters Down to 4 places! This is getting exciting
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christopheducamp.com edited /2013/UK (+1) "Updating Attending : 26 Spots available : 4" (view diff)
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aaronpk whoa!
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tantek wait - xtof has his own domain name, and signed in with it as Christopheducamp.com - he doesn't need to anyone's apprentice!
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barnabywalters Hm, that is odd
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tantek I think he's being shy/humble/modest
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christopheducamp.com edited /2013/UK (+12) "/* Apprentices */ typo" (view diff)
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aaronpk just added CSS so blockquotes look a little better now
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tantek.com edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+3932) "add more follow-ups and add to previous follow-ups" (view diff)
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tantek and I just added the rest of my comments/debunking from IRC
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tantek merged in with some of barnabywalters's follow-ups
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barnabywalters reads
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aaronparecki.com edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+0) "/* IndieAuth builds on existing behavior */ typo" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: that's an interesting use case for only exposing cell phone/email address to the indieauth.com request
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tantek aaronpk - I didn't know how/where to capture that use-case
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tantek we should capture it somewhere other than that -Followups page
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tantek (assuming you think its worth figuring out and implementing)
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barnabywalters tantek: Thanks for the cleanups
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aaronpk i'll add it to the IndieAuth page
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tantek.com edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2) "/* Signing as just you */ nors" (view diff)
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tantek barnabywalters - hope they made sense
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tantek I tried to keep the order of blockquotes strictly to original post order
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aaronpk should I remove things from the "issues" section on /IndieAuth if it's done?
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aaronpk specifically the <link> support
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barnabywalters Very much so
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tantek that seems fine. in microformats.org we moved them to a *-issues-closed page
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tantek (or resolved if it's been figured out but not yet deployed/updated)
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tantek (just so we didn't lose the easily visible history of reporting them, what things people seem to care about etc.)
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aaronpk I can make an IndieAuth-issues-closed page
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tantek (could be useful for additional Web sign-in / RelMeAuth implementations to see what IndieAuth resolved and why)
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tantek.com edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2) "/* Well-known Photo URLs */ roots" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+3) "/* HTML is the new literacy */ g" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /IndieAuth-issues-closed (+1318) "create new page for collecting closed issues with IndieAuth" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth () "(-1228) moved <link> issue to [[IndieAuth-issues-closed]]" (view diff)
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tantek awesome
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tantek ok I think I'm done with http://indiewebcamp.com/On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth (+202) "/* Issues */ clarify issues section" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+52) "/* UI instead of code for rel-me */ added indieweb example" (view diff)
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@BooksReaderPDG RT @bethelightwrite: "Nicely written and beautifully real." New #bookreview in for Riverbend! #indieauth I'm a happy girl! (twitter.com/_/status/374201479026196480)
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tantek clearly we need to tweet more about indieauth to stake that hashtag ;)
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tantek (and why are 2 letters too much to ask for - they should use # indieauthor)
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aaronpk at least the #indieauth... ones are being filtered out now
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tantek thank you
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barnabywalters tantek: Yep, looks comprehensive to me
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth-issues-closed (+463) "security" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth (+336) "/* Issues */ token security" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh, in the mean time I put my cell phone number in a <link> tag so I can still use it with indieauth
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tantek was that point about token re-use wrong?
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aaronpk no, it was right, but has since been fixed
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tantek oh ok cool
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aaronpk on the serfver
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barnabywalters Woah nice provider status box aaronpk!
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aaronpk rather than requiring clients to do something
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tantek do you think the "phone number in link tag" is a reasonable work-around for not easily visibly exposing your phone number?
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aaronpk barnabywalters: I think tantek made that? it's super manual right now anyway, heh. I should add a few things to it
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barnabywalters Cool, I hadn’t seen it before
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tantek I wonder if there are phone-spam crawling bots
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aaronpk it's a workaround, not super reasonable though
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aaronpk anybody can still view source
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tantek worth documenting?
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tantek right
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tantek but few do
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aaronpk I can add it to this new section
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tantek and fewer still expect to find a phone number there!
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tantek ok
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aaronpk I put a fax number in there for good measure too :P
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+289) "added some notes to the second level links crawling" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - good note about second level links. I added some details to narrow the problem scope (I hope)
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tantek is going to take a break and get a snack.
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tantek is still monitoring logs on web. :)
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aaronpk web logs are fun to read when i'm out and about
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barnabywalters waves to web-tantek
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neuro` Just read the whole thing, great work
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth (+2653) "/* Issues */ hiding your phone number" (view diff)
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sixtwothree.org edited /2013/UK (+291) "/* Creators */ Added self to list of Creators." (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2013/UK (+0) "/* Guest List */ counts" (view diff)
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@jgarber is signed up for IndieWebCampUK: http://t.co/811ZxAe1Hs. (twitter.com/_/status/374209755616935936)
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barnabywalters 3 spots remaining, and I pinged briansuda about adding himself
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aaronpk oh yea he should probably get on the list :)
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@Rick_Truell RT @aral: RT @CasparBowden: Privacy may be the next big thing https://medium.com/surveillance-state/ca083a5b6b7d by @vrypan I agree :) #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374215133892861953)
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suda.co.uk edited /2013/UK (+149) "Added myself, brian suda to the list" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/08/31/1/on-trickle-down-technology linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/08/31/1/on-trickle-down-technology linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/08/31/1/on-trickle-down-technology linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/08/31/1/on-trickle-down-technology linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/08/31/1/on-trickle-down-technology linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/08/31/1/on-trickle-down-technology linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/building-blocks (webmention)
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aaronpk yes, yes I did
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aaronpk perhaps I can consolidate those into a single message
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@julien51 UK friends, I'll be in your sweet Brighton next saturday for #indiewebcamp Will you be there too? (twitter.com/_/status/374250243183116289)
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bret.io edited /Jekyll (+172) "Linked jekyll article back to projects page" (view diff)
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bret I think it would be helpful to add a link to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC to the the Resources sidebar
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aaronpk good thinking
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aaronparecki.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+16) "add IRC to sidebar" (view diff)
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bret am I able to edit that sidebar?
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aaronpk not sure
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aaronpk might be restirected to some user level
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bret ah ok
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bret aaronpk, is it "the indie web" or "the indieweb
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bret ?
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bret making some minor front page tweaks in my draft version
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aaronpk I've been referring to it as "the Indie Web" if talking about it as a noun
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aaronpk but "IndieWebCamp" the event is one word
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aaronpk and "indieweb" as an adjective is also one word
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aaronpk hmm, need a /style-guide page?
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bret heh yeah, prob. I dont want to worry about it too much. i agree with how you use it, but for front page edits it might be worth being consistent about it
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bret Ill make then in accordance to those criteria
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bret those edits*
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bret I'll stub out that page
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aaronpk cool thanks
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bret.io edited /style-guide (+4) "/* The Indie Web */" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /style-guide (+167) "Rephrased topic paragraph a little." (view diff)
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