#indiewebcamp 2013-09-01

2013-09-01 UTC
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@DarkSoul4242
RT @fdevillamil: IndieAuth is so far what I consider the best solution for reliable, decentralized authentication, but I see at lea... http…
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tantek.com
moved /web-sign-in to /Web_sign-in "move to canonical name"
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tantek.com
edited /Web_sign-in (+901) "add Why, Implementations, and Articles sections"
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tantek.com
edited /Why_web_sign-in (+15) "/* Why web sign-in */ create web sign-in article and link to it as well as relmeauth"
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tantek.com
created /Squarespace (+552) "stub with information to help with web sign-in discovery setup"
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tantek.com
created /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2929) "start drafting follow-ups to Aral's post based on IRC points"
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tantek.com
edited /IndieAuth (+1276) "put user description, how-to first, move implementation details together afterwards, moved second issues section to a security issue section, add issue Need Simple Copy Paste How To"
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tantek.com
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+3607) "add a few more follow-ups"
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tantek.com
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2647) "add a few more follow-ups"
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neuro`
Good morning (ugt)
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 56 minutes ago: Aral doesn't intend to be trollish or make you angry. He's genuinely trying to improve usability. His ideas may not necessarily have merit for doing so, however the motivation and method (fewer steps) are right on.
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barnabywalters
yeah, I know. the first part is constructive and valid
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (-4) "Minor grammatical and typographical fixes"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+1415) "/* ... */ Added sections about well-known profile URLs and me.txt"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+23) "/* Well-known Photo URLs */ BQ"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+69) "/* Well-known URL profile text files */ BQ"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+82) "/* Well-known URL profile text files */"
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barnabywalters
tantek: okay, I added some more points: http://indiewebcamp.com/On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup#Well-known_Photo_URLs — I wasn’t sure how to best respond to “Solving the right problems”
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bre.klaki.net
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@BarnabyWalters
On Friday I made a bunch of @indiewebcamp badges in preparation for IWC UK — thanks @piratepartyis for letting me u… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RpCu2/
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smari.pagekite.me
edited /2013/UK (+428) "/* Creators */"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /2013/UK (+0) "/* Guest List */ updated counts"
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@AdamSanto
RT @gaelehi: Disappearing in Plain Sight by Francis L. Guenette http://gaele.sweaterveststudio.com/?p=5243 @FrancisGuenette #goodread #contemporary #IndieAuth…
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aaronpk
tantek: thanks for documenting a reply to Aral's indieauth post
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aaronpk
I was AFK when he posted that
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@bethelightwrite
"Nicely written and beautifully real." New #bookreview in for Riverbend! #indieauth I'm a happy girl!
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@PiratePartyIS
RT @BarnabyWalters: On Friday I made a bunch of @indiewebcamp badges in preparation for IWC UK — thanks @piratepartyis for letting me u… ht…
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tantek
good morning indiewebcamp
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tantek
aaronpk - np, I thought it was the kind of thing that would be better documented on the wiki rather than a blog post - too many things Aral got wrong on a point by point basis.
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tantek
but mixed in with just enough valid points / issues that those wore worthy of capturing too
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tantek
that kind of mix makes for a very bad blog post response unfortunately - because there is no good summary
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tantek
unlike your response post to trickle down tech - where *everything* Aral said was wrong, so a post debunking all of it makes sense.
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aaronpk
makes sense
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aaronpk
the wiki page looks good
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tantek
it's mostly done ;)
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lmjabreu.com
edited /2013/UK (+321) "/* Creators */"
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aaronpk
uh is klint finley really coming to IWCUK? or is that apprentice entry left over from copying from 2013 pdx?
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aaronpk
oh it says "example"...
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aaronpk
I'm going to replace his photo with a placeholder
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/UK (-11) "replace klint's photo with a placeholder"
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waterpigs.co.uk
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christopheducamp.com
edited /2013/UK (+801) "Just registered under [User:T37.net|Fred de Villamil]'s apprentice. Currently learning command line tools... Planning 2013 : "selfdogfood" and POSSE with french motorists. Jekyll's one click install via @hrefhef and/or Publify."
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barnabywalters
POSSE with French motorists? That sounds pretty interesting
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /2013/UK (+14) "/* Guest List */ counts"
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barnabywalters
Down to 4 places! This is getting exciting
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christopheducamp.com
edited /2013/UK (+1) "Updating Attending : 26 Spots available : 4"
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tantek
wait - xtof has his own domain name, and signed in with it as Christopheducamp.com - he doesn't need to anyone's apprentice!
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barnabywalters
Hm, that is odd
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tantek
I think he's being shy/humble/modest
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christopheducamp.com
edited /2013/UK (+12) "/* Apprentices */ typo"
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aaronpk
just added CSS so blockquotes look a little better now
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tantek.com
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+3932) "add more follow-ups and add to previous follow-ups"
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tantek
and I just added the rest of my comments/debunking from IRC
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tantek
merged in with some of barnabywalters's follow-ups
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aaronparecki.com
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+0) "/* IndieAuth builds on existing behavior */ typo"
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aaronpk
tantek: that's an interesting use case for only exposing cell phone/email address to the indieauth.com request
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tantek
aaronpk - I didn't know how/where to capture that use-case
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tantek
we should capture it somewhere other than that -Followups page
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tantek
(assuming you think its worth figuring out and implementing)
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barnabywalters
tantek: Thanks for the cleanups
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aaronpk
i'll add it to the IndieAuth page
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tantek.com
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2) "/* Signing as just you */ nors"
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tantek
barnabywalters - hope they made sense
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tantek
I tried to keep the order of blockquotes strictly to original post order
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aaronpk
should I remove things from the "issues" section on /IndieAuth if it's done?
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aaronpk
specifically the <link> support
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barnabywalters
Very much so
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tantek
that seems fine. in microformats.org we moved them to a *-issues-closed page
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tantek
(or resolved if it's been figured out but not yet deployed/updated)
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tantek
(just so we didn't lose the easily visible history of reporting them, what things people seem to care about etc.)
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aaronpk
I can make an IndieAuth-issues-closed page
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tantek
(could be useful for additional Web sign-in / RelMeAuth implementations to see what IndieAuth resolved and why)
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tantek.com
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+2) "/* Well-known Photo URLs */ roots"
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edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+3) "/* HTML is the new literacy */ g"
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aaronparecki.com
created /IndieAuth-issues-closed (+1318) "create new page for collecting closed issues with IndieAuth"
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edited /IndieAuth () "(-1228) moved <link> issue to [[IndieAuth-issues-closed]]"
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tantek
awesome
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aaronparecki.com
edited /IndieAuth (+202) "/* Issues */ clarify issues section"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /On_Evolving_IndieAuth_Followup (+52) "/* UI instead of code for rel-me */ added indieweb example"
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@BooksReaderPDG
RT @bethelightwrite: "Nicely written and beautifully real." New #bookreview in for Riverbend! #indieauth I'm a happy girl!
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tantek
clearly we need to tweet more about indieauth to stake that hashtag ;)
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tantek
(and why are 2 letters too much to ask for - they should use # indieauthor)
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aaronpk
at least the #indieauth... ones are being filtered out now
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tantek
thank you
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barnabywalters
tantek: Yep, looks comprehensive to me
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aaronparecki.com
edited /IndieAuth (+336) "/* Issues */ token security"
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aaronpk
oh, in the mean time I put my cell phone number in a <link> tag so I can still use it with indieauth
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tantek
was that point about token re-use wrong?
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aaronpk
no, it was right, but has since been fixed
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tantek
oh ok cool
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aaronpk
on the serfver
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barnabywalters
Woah nice provider status box aaronpk!
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aaronpk
rather than requiring clients to do something
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tantek
do you think the "phone number in link tag" is a reasonable work-around for not easily visibly exposing your phone number?
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: I think tantek made that? it's super manual right now anyway, heh. I should add a few things to it
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barnabywalters
Cool, I hadn’t seen it before
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tantek
I wonder if there are phone-spam crawling bots
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aaronpk
it's a workaround, not super reasonable though
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aaronpk
anybody can still view source
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tantek
worth documenting?
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tantek
right
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tantek
but few do
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aaronpk
I can add it to this new section
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tantek
and fewer still expect to find a phone number there!
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aaronpk
I put a fax number in there for good measure too :P
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tantek.com
edited /IndieAuth (+289) "added some notes to the second level links crawling"
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tantek
aaronpk - good note about second level links. I added some details to narrow the problem scope (I hope)
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tantek
is going to take a break and get a snack.
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tantek
is still monitoring logs on web. :)
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aaronpk
web logs are fun to read when i'm out and about
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barnabywalters
waves to web-tantek
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neuro`
Just read the whole thing, great work
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edited /IndieAuth (+2653) "/* Issues */ hiding your phone number"
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edited /2013/UK (+291) "/* Creators */ Added self to list of Creators."
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barnabywalters
3 spots remaining, and I pinged briansuda about adding himself
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aaronpk
oh yea he should probably get on the list :)
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suda.co.uk
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aaronpk
yes, yes I did
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aaronpk
perhaps I can consolidate those into a single message
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@julien51
UK friends, I'll be in your sweet Brighton next saturday for #indiewebcamp Will you be there too?
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bret.io
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bret.io
edited /Jekyll (+172) "Linked jekyll article back to projects page"
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bret
I think it would be helpful to add a link to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC to the the Resources sidebar
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aaronpk
good thinking
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bret.io
edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+5946) "/* What is the IndieWeb? */"
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bret
am I able to edit that sidebar?
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aaronpk
not sure
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aaronpk
might be restirected to some user level
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bret
ah ok
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bret
aaronpk, is it "the indie web" or "the indieweb
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bret
making some minor front page tweaks in my draft version
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aaronpk
I've been referring to it as "the Indie Web" if talking about it as a noun
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aaronpk
but "IndieWebCamp" the event is one word
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aaronpk
and "indieweb" as an adjective is also one word
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aaronpk
hmm, need a /style-guide page?
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bret
heh yeah, prob. I dont want to worry about it too much. i agree with how you use it, but for front page edits it might be worth being consistent about it
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bret
Ill make then in accordance to those criteria
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bret
those edits*
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bret
I'll stub out that page
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aaronpk
cool thanks
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created /style-guide (+233) "Added a style guide page."
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bret.io
edited /style-guide (+4) "/* The Indie Web */"
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edited /style-guide (+167) "Rephrased topic paragraph a little."
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