#indiewebcamp 2013-09-05

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@kevinmarks @metadaddy hmm, @aaronpk has @github working with IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/375410251127746561)
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@TrsstProject Yep, if you have a web server that can respond to a handful of rest calls and serve RSS, you've got a #trsst server. @mellofone #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/375414617398198272)
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@lightcoin RT @Johannes_Ernst: Got quoted on the Bitcoin channel "Personal Clouds: Disrupting the disruptors" http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com/archives/22383 #pcloud #indieweb… (twitter.com/_/status/375450193413820416)
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@katmandelstein @the_turtle #IndieWeb #opensocial startup started at Stanford. So yes not very "old school". Personally, I like "new school." (twitter.com/_/status/375457113457188864)
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Loqi [@metadaddy] @kevinmarks Yeah, but that doesn't mean that @github does OpenID Connect
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Loqi IndieAuth probably just does OAuth then reads the profile (http://twtr.io/cFYvxkprhw)
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@sitiaaja "@DigitalBrighton: Latest #BDF2013 event: #indiewebcamp 2013! http://t.co/ebDOK8zUr4"jgghhfggggh (twitter.com/_/status/375510403138076672)
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@programmableweb Webmention.io API just added. http://www.programmableweb.com/api/webmention.io Webmention and pingback tracking service Date Updated: 2013-09-04 Tags: internet, li... (twitter.com/_/status/375513918627909632)
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@thierrymarianne @paulgreg @a_thieriot arkos.io offers lovely perspectives to whoever would like to weave an #indieweb! Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/375522544390270976)
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neuro` Good morning
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@ShaneHudson @tristanbailey This weekend, I’m going to http://indiewebcamp.com/ :) I will have a look for middle street on google, thanks (twitter.com/_/status/375533853529882624)
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tantek made it to LHR, going to jump a bunch of trains to Brighton
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tantek will be trying to make it to Taylor Street Baristas for lunch noonish
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ShaneHudson I've booked a room at the Ibis. £200 but close to the Lighthouse and have late checkins so I can arrive on time! :)
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@Endukugga @aral The people from @MailpileTeam will be at @IndieWebCampUK in Brighton this weekend, in case you’re interested. (twitter.com/_/status/375568641955078144)
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@aral @Endukugga @MailpileTeam @IndieWebCampUK Very, very interested — looking forward to meeting you :) Also sign up for https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/event/5655728436 (twitter.com/_/status/375569819208540160)
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@OGGD J'aimerais bien prendre le bateau jusqu'á Brighton avec @agence50A & @MyDataLabs http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/le-bateau #indieweb #lebateau #socialnetwork (twitter.com/_/status/375585906817654784)
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@xtof_fr Commutation @dConstruct #indiewebcamp Téléphone / répondeur sur #off jusqu'á lundi. Bonne fin de semaine. http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-09-05 (twitter.com/_/status/375587671592030208)
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@t Hello Brighton, I am in you. Here for @dConstruct and @IndieWebCampUK! (ttk.me t4Rt1) (twitter.com/_/status/375589477156397056)
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@MailpileTeam @matteoc checkout the #IndieWeb we're going to be at http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK this weekend if you're in England :) (twitter.com/_/status/375591801891332097)
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tantek wow this timing is amazing: http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2292493/Facebook-to-Users-You-Have-Exactly-7-Days-Until-We-Own-You?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=1423311
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tantek sorry about the long tracking URL
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tantek here: searchenginewatch.com/article/2292493/Facebook-to-Users-You-Have-Exactly-7-Days-Until-We-Own-You
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tantek and once more with http (now really annoyed at how copy/paste works from URL bars) http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2292493/Facebook-to-Users-You-Have-Exactly-7-Days-Until-We-Own-You
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tommorris so tempted to close my FB account
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tommorris all the silos are turning so evil these days.
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tantek I wonder if there is any way to syndicate personal adsense into Facebook
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neuro` Hi tantek
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tantek hello neuro`
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neuro` tantek: landed in Brighton?
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tommorris tantek: it's making me look closely at building private posts on my own site.
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tommorris just build up an access control list using domains (plus social media accounts)
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tommorris let people log in using a variety of methods and use that to control access
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tantek tommorris - domains + twitter should be enough. anyone on FB should just go get a Twitter.
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tantek should be *good enough
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tommorris I've got lots of old school/university friends who do FB but not Twitter
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tantek people can create a private twitter just for sign-in
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tommorris plus I have a friend list on both sites I can import to seed the ACL
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tommorris my primary use for Facebook is posting stuff I want to share with my friends privately
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tantek and: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/190442/myopenid-no-longer-supported-add-alternative-login-method-to-your-account
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ShaneHudson I think open source projects need an 'exit strategy' like businesses do
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tantek why?
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tantek I believe the open source license *is* the exit strategy
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neuro` +1
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neuro` If maintainers stop maintaining, someone can take over the project (that's what I did on Publify)
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ShaneHudson Oh definitely but, like we were saying yesterday, so much of it is built to require maintaining. And there will not always be people to take over
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tantek neuro` that's what Mullenweg did with forking the abandoned B2 and starting WordPress
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ShaneHudson True
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neuro` tantek: I know, ask michel_v about it :)
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neuro` tantek: michel_v is B2 creator
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tantek ah ok
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tantek and he's here in the channel too!
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neuro` Yeah, reason why I was mentionning
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aaronpk neuro`: on board to what?
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neuro` aaronpk: didn't you have issues to onboard on a plane, or was it someone else on this channel
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aaronpk landed in Brighton and checked in to the hotel! it's sweet here!
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aaronpk neuro`: ah yes, couldn't check in electronically because I clicked the "i have dangerous items in my bag" on accident
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neuro` yup, that one
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aaronpk sorry, didn't understand "onboard" in that context
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tantek hey aaronpk!
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aaronpk it's just "board" for a plane
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aaronpk tantek: hello!
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neuro` I wish I was in Brighton
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tommorris curses at the term "onboard" ;)
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aaronpk will be hanging out at the coffee shop at the myhotel for a couple hours
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aaronpk attempting to stay awake
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tommorris just planning my last full day in NYC
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tommorris gutted that I'm missing IWCUK
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aaronpk so sad!
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tommorris perhaps I should record a video demo of Ferocity and fling it over to you guys
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@agence50A http://blog.50a.fr/architecturesociale/le-bateau @nicolas2fr, @sfanals et @xtof_fr sont en route pour Brighton et son #IndieWebCamp !! Bon vent á vous 3 ! :) (twitter.com/_/status/375621494506000384)
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barnabywalters How's the weather in Brighton?
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neuro` BTW, we released a major (beta) version this morning https://github.com/fdv/publify/releases/tag/release_7_0_0-beta1
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barnabywalters neuro`: Congratulations on the release! Looks like there’s lots of good stuff in there
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neuro` barnabywalters: thank you. We're now focusing on webmention and new posses
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tantek barnabywalters - warm & sunny today, rainy tomorrow
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tantek here's another one: http://mobile.slate.com/articles/technology/data_mine_1/2013/09/facebook_privacy_and_kids_don_t_post_photos_of_your_kids_online.html
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tantek aaronpk - cool. might stop by there after swinging by Cyberdog.
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barnabywalters Tantek: excellent! It’s actually scorching (relatively speaking) here — flight in an hour
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barnabywalters tommorris: RE private content, why not just use persona login?
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barnabywalters As you already have it
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tommorris Yep, but then I'd have to build up an ACL of people who I trust
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tommorris I already have an existing list of people I trust, mostly on Facebook and Twitter
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barnabywalters tommorris: You can export your address book as a vCard file, right?
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tommorris letting them login with their existing credentials to see private posts seems the most friction-free way of doing so
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barnabywalters Oops, got to go board.
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tommorris and I use Omniauth, a Rails plugin that lets you mix together social auth systems
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tommorris have fun, barnabywalters
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aaronpk just realized I hit the 24-hour mark. didn't sleep on the plane at all!
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: A > 24hr day? Woah
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@domenicoperri #ID #indiewebcampuk 2013/ #UK - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (twitter.com/_/status/375641759378051074)
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@INVISPIDE #usermedia - / IndieWebCamp UK 2013 #indiewebcampuk Lighthouse http://www.lighthouse.org.uk/programme/indiewebcamp-uk-2013 via @LighthouseArts (twitter.com/_/status/375643674035503104)
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@agusblacks RT @t: Hello Brighton, I am in you. Here for @dConstruct and @IndieWebCampUK! (ttk.me t4Rt1) (twitter.com/_/status/375644831516618752)
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hadleybeeman Welcome to the UK, #indiewebcamp folk :)
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@cryptocoinage RT @Johannes_Ernst: Got quoted on the Bitcoin channel "Personal Clouds: Disrupting the disruptors" http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com/archives/22383 #pcloud #indieweb… (twitter.com/_/status/375652230679904257)
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tantek thanks hadleybeeman! :)
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tantek so I just asked adactio if he understood what indiedata was actually about from talking with Aral, and he too is confused.
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tantek is having a go at http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK#To-do
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tantek does it make sense to have a /Sessions page this close to the event? (I mean, can we skip it?)
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jernst Next Personal Cloud gathering is on Sept 25th hosted by Rackspace in SF. I'm co-organizer. Would love to have somebody talk about IndieWeb for 5 min (all talks are really short).
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shaners jernst: i'd suggest talking to tantek or benwerd. both are out of channel right now. but both live in SF.
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shaners http://tantek.com and http://werd.io
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jernst Yes, I know them both.
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shaners great.
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sparverius when i get home im going to set up auth
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sparverius just switched my hosting over to a VPS
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sparverius so gotta set up nginx first
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sparverius anyways, are there any known "gotchas"? everything seems super straight forward
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@brennannovak Danke schöne Berlin, youve been good to me #IndieWebCamp UK here I come! (twitter.com/_/status/375679741002805249)
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tpinto hey guys. do anyone know about the expected no-show rate? i'm third in queue and would like to know the probablity of being able to get in?
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tpinto just because i should book the train trip and accomodation for the weekend
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tommorris tpinto: the people who could answer that probably aren't available at the moment. tantek, adactio, aral, barnaby etc.
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@veganstraightedge @instapaper Maybe throw in some .h-entry for good measure? http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry #indiewebcamp and #microformats IRC channels can help. (twitter.com/_/status/375684286403182592)
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shaners sparverius: known gotchas about what?
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ozten jernst: http://mediagoblin.org/news/mediagoblin-0.5.0-goblin-force looks interesting for the list of candidate apps
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jernst ozten: yes. want to work on it? :-)
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ozten jernst: it's on my list to play with (sadly a very long list). What, concretely does that mean?
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ozten I've been dusting off a dreamplug and I installed a NAS, to try to get ready to play
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jernst that's cool!
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sparverius shaners: setting up indieauth
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sparverius any stumbling points people hit? i can't imagine there would be...
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shaners ooh. yeah. that's aaronpk territory.
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shaners i think he's running the only instance so far
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neuro` Good evening
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: Hello Brighton, I am in you. Here for @dConstruct and @IndieWebCampUK! (ttk.me t4Rt1) (twitter.com/_/status/375707297499975680)
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@trieloff On Silos vs an Open Social Web [#indieweb] - Tantek http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web?utm_content=bufferdbf1c&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=appdotnet&utm_campaign=Buffer (twitter.com/_/status/375707537385213952)
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@Johannes_Ernst The internet has been pwned. Now what? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying #pcloud #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/375714140972527616)
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@tdotrob RT @Johannes_Ernst: The internet has been pwned. Now what? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying #pcloud #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/375715063010566144)
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@jgraham909 RE last tweet we need to take our data back. Large corporations unsurprisingly are awful stewards. Related http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/375721036508958720)
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aaronpk sparveri1s: setting up indieauth as in running the server, or setting up your own domain to log in with it?
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aaronpk is going to sleep now. 31 hours straight is not bad!
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josephg geez this is just getting better and better http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet-encryption.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&
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josephg I want to be able to communicate securely.
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josephg .... in a federated way
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josephg it shouldn't be hard.
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josephg https://josephg.com/blog/secure-email <-- that would do it
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josephg and there's heaps of other ways security can be implemented
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josephg </rant>
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aaronpk i'm not really concerned with the security/privacy aspect of this stuff right now. I'm focusing on the more positive data ownership and identity ownership aspects at the moment.
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@FrancisGuenette RT @gaelehi: Disappearing in Plain Sight by Francis L. Guenette http://gaele.sweaterveststudio.com/?p=5243 @FrancisGuenette #goodread #contemporary #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/375735108394692609)
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aaronpk hey I thought I blocked those
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josephg aaronpk: I know
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josephg thats fine.
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poppy josephg: your proposal for secure email is not actually secure, it is vulnerable to traffic analysis.
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poppy "even if the NSA snooped on both endpoints, they wouldn't be able to match the messages together - They would just know that Alice sent an email and Bob received one"
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poppy that is precisely how traffic analysis works - with enough data, they can say with bounded certainty that Alice mailed Bob
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aaronpk also email != web, so I'd be curious how you think those techniques could apply to web-based messaging
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aaronpk josephg: http://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb-messaging
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aaronpk sleeps
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josephg poppy: interesting. I wonder if there's ways around that
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josephg like, adding junk messages that can be recognised as junk at either end
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josephg certainly, it would be better than we have now.
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sparveri1s aaronpk: both
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jernst tantek: how would you like to come to the next Personal Clouds community gathering (at Rackspace SF) on Sept 25th and give a 5-min lightning talk on indieweb?
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tantek jernst - tenatively yes. I will have just gotten back on the 23rd from 19 days of travel, 5 conference, 4 timezones and likely quite exhausted.
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tantek maybe a 1-2 minute talk with 3 min Q&A? :)
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jernst you think you'll manage 1-2 minutes but 5 minutes is too strenuous? :-)
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jernst It's usually 5 min talk, and Q&A for as long as it takes the next presenter to set up
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tantek jernst ok I'll see what I can do
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tantek can you a quick date/time/link to the event here? http://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming
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poppy josephg: yes, among several techniques. See also: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/Chaffing.txt
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jernst Will do, you have been added to http://personalclouds5.eventbrite.com/
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tantek awesome thanks! the other person who I think would be great to have demo in the SF area is benwerd
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tantek wonders if benprew is an alias or a new person
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benprew tantek: an alias for what? Am I showing up multiple times?
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tantek benprew I take a new person then - you're not benwerd are you?
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benprew tantek: oh... no, Ben Prew is my name :)
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tantek ah, in that case, Welcome benprew!
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tantek :)
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benprew thanks!
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tantek (I read the "prew" as an odd reflective/mirror image of "werd")
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benprew I read an article about indiewebcamp and it looked pretty cool and all the more relevant with the revelations of govt. spying
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tantek It is interesting how we're getting some side-traffic from the govt / prism stuff
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tantek !tell benwerd check out http://personalclouds5.eventbrite.com/ and ping jernst about doing a lightning talk at it. I recommend to him that you do. :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benprew hehe, that would've been a cool reflection, although maybe the alias would've been prewneq
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jernst tantek: benwerd has already done so at a previous event
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tantek oh? which one? permalink?
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tantek benprew - add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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jernst tantek: http://personalcloud3.eventbrite.com/
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tantek jernst - nice - I see several IndieWebCamp 2013 participants there
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tantek LOL: "A Personal Cloud is similar to a personal computer that runs in my butt."
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jernst tantek: The communities are very close. This one has more of the hackers.
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tantek is waiting for someone to come up with a cloud-related backronym for FART.
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tantek is also waiting for when benward, benwerd, benprew are simultaneously in the channel and having a conversation. That won't be confusing at all.
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poppy tantek: if it makes you feel any better, it took me a while before i realized benwerd wasn't benward
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poppy tantek: further, there's neuro` in here, and neuro in another channel I frequent, both in europe
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poppy ._.
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tantek whoa - just with/without the ` ?
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tantek and different people?!?
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poppy yeah
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poppy neuro is a scottish sysadmin i worked with at linden
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tantek p.s. welcome poppy - you're normally quite quiet ;)
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tantek poppy, you should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people also :)
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poppy i'm normally working ;)
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poppy i'm also not public about my nick, as trivial as it is
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poppy i mean, you know who i am ;)
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poppy and i am barely indieweb yet, still working on infrastructure like reliable machine bringup in the few spare moments i get
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poppy even my statusnet instance has been broken for a few months now :(
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tantek it's ok not be "public" about your nick - you can choose any indieweb identity (domain) you wish :)
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poppy yeah, i need to work on that too
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tantek you can call yourself by whatever domain you wish on the web, no "real names" policy here
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tantek in fact, would be great to have an example of someone doing that
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poppy i have a spare identity that i have been meaning to fire up, but it awaits some isolated hosting
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tantek do you have some sort of poppy.me domain or something similar?
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poppy nope
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poppy i have one that's moderately disconnected to me
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tantek just to tie your IRC nick/identity to *a* site identity?
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tantek no need to tie your "poppy" identity to any other identity per se, just have a web expression of it
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poppy hmm, interesting
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poppy MAN, this is a call for geocities if i ever heard one
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tantek poppy - precisely, except without the "vulnerable silo" nature of being something.geocities.com
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tantek which https://neocities.org/ is replicating
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tantek notices that https://neocities.org/ has an implied convention for "me.jpg"
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jernst what's the closest open-source web app to geocities?
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poppy oh man, poppy.ws is available
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poppy i can host WS-deathstar
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tantek nice
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tantek which country is that?
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poppy Samoa
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poppy because fuck them i guess
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tantek mmm, I like the cookies
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poppy ahh, western samoa
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poppy not just "here, these letters are left over"
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tantek hahahahaha: http://deathstar.ws/
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tantek NeoCities is kind of amazing. Nice post: https://neocities.org/blog/making-the-web-fun-again (cc: aaronpk)
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dpk tantek, aaronpk: i (David Kendal) will unfortunately not be able to attend IndieWebCamp UK on the Saturday and maybe not on the Sunday either. should i still attempt to come on the Sunday alone or just cross myself off entirely? i'm aware there is a waiting list of eager participants