#indiewebcamp 2013-09-08

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@SmugLineBreak
RT @aral: Facebook and Google will offer you the Freeternet. Ask: why is it free? What’s is their business model? #indiedata
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@julien51
Any personal site/blog design that you really like these days? #indiewebcamp
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@aral
RT @andydavies: @aral You might find this interesting — http://netograph.com/ (given your interested in privacy etc) /cc #indiewebcamp
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@cataspanglish
CryptoParty Brighton coming soon #indiewebcamp #BDF2013 #indiedata
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@aral
Realtime privacy snapshots of the social web. http://netograph.com/ Via @andydavies /cc #indiewebcamp
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@elreiss
RT @aral: Realtime privacy snapshots of the social web. http://netograph.com/ Via @andydavies /cc #indiewebcamp
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@fohlin
RT @aral: Realtime privacy snapshots of the social web. http://netograph.com/ Via @andydavies /cc #indiewebcamp
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@makercms
@adactio: Up and hAtom for day two of Indie Web Camp UK.” http://indiewebcamp.com/
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@JayGreasley
@Floppy you should be at indiewebcamp this weekend. (so should I)
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@seb_ly
RT @cataspanglish: CryptoParty Brighton coming soon #indiewebcamp #BDF2013 #indiedata
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@indy_johar
RT @smarimc: There's something fascinating about the way the #IndieWebCamp people talk about the ethical implications of design. Need to un…
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@jontangerine
Wish I’d known about indie web camp this weekend. Wish I had a teleporter, too. Do great things, friends! http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/UK/Schedule (+165) "update day 2 schedule"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /2013/UK (+4) "/* Creators */ signed in Leonardo"
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@aral
Looking forward to playing with webmentions and webactions today :) #indiewebcamp
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@benward
@russss Perfect. I'm going to pop my bag in at IndieWeb. Give a shout when you're ready?
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@neilcford
Just too knackered to make it to #indiewebcamp today. Will watch the hashtag instead. Have a great time everyone there.
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@aaronpk
Running a #WebMention hack session for day 2 of #indiewebcampUK! Try to add a comment on this post by sending me a... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/09/08/1/webmention-indiewebcampuk
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barnabywalters
neuro`: we’re beginning to build stuff now, there are sessions on web actions and microformats+webmention
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barnabywalters
want to join a hangout
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@me_arno
More on webmentions protocol http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention on #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk
smus: your username is smus.com, so add <link rel="webmention" href="http://webmention.io/smus.com/webmention" />
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aaronpk
and there is hopefully enough javascript on webmention.io to get you going
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smus
looks like webmention.io has no provision for sending replies
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smus
right/
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aaronpk
correct. that's another thing I want to add to it, bret has talked about it a few times
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp : lots of people working out how the twitter actions work to replace them with Indie WebActions
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tantek
notes going into there
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@stefek99
#indiewebcamp @schneierblog: I understand that most of this is impossible for the typical internet user http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-how-to-remain-secure-surveillance
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@pine_apple123
#indiewebcamp : debugging the tweet button as a side effect of implementing our own version
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: people get angry when there is a link to my site from twitter that just has the same text as the tweet
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@kongroove
@t Best of luck for today's #indiewebcamp Iooking forward to watch the demos at 4pm.
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lionzan.me
edited /Getting_Started (+54) "/* Static hosted domain solutions */"
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@omnissystems
Lot's of fun for the family today: @IndieWebCampUK for me, @MakerFaireBTN for wife and kids then @brightonfood for all of us :-)
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tantek.com
edited /webactions (+156) "/* action do verbs */ add reply"
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@omnissystems
@edulix @smarimc Would an Open Source P2P VoIP with ZRTP and EC cryptography be any use to you? If so, I'll be at @IndieWebCampUK today.
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@smarimc
@omnissystems @edulix I'm on my way over to @IndieWebCampUK myself, as soon as @HerraBRE gets up. :-)
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@lionzan
RT @t: Demonstrating @Falcon @IndieWebCampUK by editing in a text editor. (ttk.me t4Rv1)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp verbs for WebActions we should not add straghtaway: delete http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/w/page/23541872/Delet
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp is Repost better than Reshare? probably - old evidence from Activity Streams: http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/w/page/26918482/Reshare
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@BarnabyWalters
@t demonstrating replying to a note directly from your site :) #indiewebcamp (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RwBWU/)
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@paulrobertlloyd
Wishing @bastianallgeier was here at #indiewebcampuk.
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adactio
s/webhook/webmention
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Loqi
adactio meant to say: Minimum viable webmention: https://gist.github.com/adactio/6484118
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barnabywalters
adactio: nice!
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adactio
barnabywalters: it doesn't actually *do* anything but it's a start.
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barnabywalters
adactio: these sort of minimal, no-dependency boilerplates are super-useful to have
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adactio
barnabywalters: agreed. The existing code I found on github had a lot of dependencies that scared me off.
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@LennartHennigs
RT @aral: Now learning about SubToMe (http://www.subtome.com) from Julien (http://Ouvre-boite.com) #indiewebcamp
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@nd_kane
Genuinely excited by the work of @MailpileTeam last night, had the chance to pick @smarimc and co’s brains on their software. #indieweb
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neuro`
barnabywalters: that's very nice of yours, but I've been noticed that it would be a good idea that I disconnect a little bit today except for work things.
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barnabywalters
neuro`: okay, no problem
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href
hi barnabywalters :)
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@badgermind
@IndieWebCampUK slipped out to greet friend cycling to Brighton for Friends of the Earth - back later
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barnabywalters
href: I see you in the remote participants list
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barnabywalters
want me to set up a hangout?
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barnabywalters
we’re mainly hacking on stuff now
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barnabywalters
so not so much group discussions
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neuro`
Hi href
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href
yeah i'm in the remote participants but i'm having loads of work this week-end
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href
ping me for the hangout when you'll have some discussions :)
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neuro`
href: you too? :)
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href
hey neuro` :)
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href
sadly yeah :(
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barnabywalters
neuro`: we’re probably going to do a wrap-up session with demos of stuff we built, if we do I’ll set up a hangout then
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neuro`
barnabywalters: would be great if I'm still online, this week-end is not going as planned at all
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barnabywalters
neuro`: :( I’ll let you know when we start
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neuro`
Thank you
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href
barnabywalters: let me know too
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@omnissystems
#indiewebcamp ETA14:30
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: I dropped a bunch of initial tests in the UrlTest file
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aaronpk
yeah! sweet
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barnabywalters
tbh a lot of the ./ ../ stuff seems stupid. why does the web even have that?
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aaronpk
filesystem
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caseorganic
barnabywalters++
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caseorganic
aaronpk++
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Loqi
barnabywalters has 14 karma
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Loqi
aaronpk has 223 karma
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: LOL at your comment
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aaronpk
"seriously, please update to PHP 5.4 so I can use nice array syntax ;)"
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aaronpk
I did on my laptop finally, but not on my server
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barnabywalters
ah, sure :)
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aaronpk
lol at dynamically generating test methods from this array
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barnabywalters
all the tests are the same, no point in copying+pasting more and more functions
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barnabywalters
does make it slightly more tricky to selectively run tests
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aaronpk
oh i have a plan :D
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barnabywalters
a cunning plan?
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aaronpk
indeed
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neuro`
aaronpk: switch to plan B, you know plan A never work (that's the reason why there are plan Bs)
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tantek
barnabywalters - nicely done!
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tantek
barnabywalters - what was that minimum viable webmention sending thing you said aaronpk shipped?
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barnabywalters
two lines ;)
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barnabywalters
I think there’s a ruby one too
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barnabywalters
aaronpk I’m assuming p3k uses your mention client?
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: it does
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aaronpk
as well as the php-mf2 parser
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barnabywalters
#selfdogfooding ftw
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tantek.com
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tantek
barnabywalters - that mention-client, in _findWebmentionEndpoint, needs to add support for rel=webmention
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aaronpk
ah did I not add that yet?
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tantek
opens issue
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tantek.com
edited /webmention (+157) "/* Sending */ add link to sample code and library and current rel webmention issue"
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tantek.com
edited /webmention (+0) "/* Implementations */ sending is easier than handling, do that first"
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aaronpk
irc-mention?
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: should ['http://example.com',''] resolve to 'http://example.com/'?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: probably, yeah
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barnabywalters
ooh yes I forgot to add root-relative tests
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: I think that’s more correct, yep
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aaronpk
i'm going to catch that case first then, always add trailing slash if there is no path
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aaronpk
progress
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caseorganic
tantek: in 5 min i'm heading to cyberdog before it closes
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tantek
thank you for the heads-up case organic. I will go with you.
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tantek.com
uploaded /File:tantek-com-demo-note-2013-251.png "screenshot of a Tantek.com demo note with web actions buttons."
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tantek.com
edited /webactions (+373) "/* Action tag examples in the wild */ move to subsections, add screenshot"
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@adactio
Rushing away from an excellent @indiewebcamp to fly to Freiburg for @smashingconf but I managed to write some code: http://adactio.com/journal/6469/
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joshrussell.com
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@hail2u_
http://webmention.org/ Trackback(Pingback)のモダン焼き。
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@Naii
Testing WebMention 0.1 with @adactio - A simple test of WebMention (a pingback alternative) to the post by... http://naii.de/post/60655983504/testing-webmention-0-1-with-adactio#_=_
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@t
#indieweb @zeldman you can now Reply (and Favorite and Retweet) on notes on my site. No backbutton needed. ... http://tantek.com/2013/251/t1/indieweb-reply-favorite-retweet-notes
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@joshr
leaving #indiewebcamp just before demos, good stuff happened this weekend :) (@ Brighton Railway Station (BTN)) https://foursquare.com/joshr/checkin/522c9a3311d2094ecb4cc25a?s=UA9nPBAfVkUkePlJPOUMdTp6mJg&ref=tw
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@heavenshell
ふむ。”A modern alternative to Pingback." / “WebMention 0.1 by converspace” http://webmention.org/
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@cstanhope
RT @t: #indieweb @zeldman you can now Reply (and Favorite and Retweet) on notes on my site. No backbutton needed. ... http://tantek.com/2013/251/t1/indieweb-reply-favorite-retweet-notes
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aaronpk
mime: can you send me the URL that you were trying to mention?
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mime
heya guys, i got webmention working on http://nightlight.ws - try making a post!
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mime
heh good timing :P
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@IndieWebCampUK
RT @t: #indieweb @zeldman you can now Reply (and Favorite and Retweet) on notes on my site. No backbutton needed. ... http://tantek.com/2013/251/t1/indieweb-reply-favorite-retweet-notes
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mime
aaronpk: here's the 2nd one (b/c i sent it twice): http://nightlight.ws/mime/diary/untitled-371
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp t: I got web actions working on my site - you can retweet a long post and it tweets the short version.
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@SolPied
Acknowledging a tension: we're using Twitter to rant about corporations. No easy answer, but the #indieweb movement has some hints.
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aaronpk
mime: thanks. I definitely messed something up
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mime
:P no worries, hehe
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@voxpelli
RT @t: #indieweb @zeldman you can now Reply (and Favorite and Retweet) on notes on my site. No backbutton needed. ... http://tantek.com/2013/251/t1/indieweb-reply-favorite-retweet-notes
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @BarnabyWalters: looking at Tantek's site, with webactions toolbelt set up, and it replaces the reply button with one for me
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: so we have indieweb to indieweb reply working between me and @barnabywalters
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@voxpelli
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @t: so we have indieweb to indieweb reply working between me and @barnabywalters
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aaronpk
seb_: you can continue to test that with this curl command: `curl -i -d source=http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/09/08/2/ -d target=http://webmention.sebastien.lt/ http://webmention.sebastien.lt/post.php`
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@vrypan
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @t: so we have indieweb to indieweb reply working between me and @barnabywalters
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp : by using the referrer URL you can mimic(clone) the UI of the platform you are using Note=tweet and Article=blogpost
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp : if you're syndicating to multiple platforms ( like @benwerd does you) should have a dropdown and clone the platform UI
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @aral: people looking through a twitter feed don't see full indieweb posts - a browser extension can replace the twitter cards
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@kongroove
RT @t: #indieweb @zeldman you can now Reply (and Favorite and Retweet) on notes on my site. No backbutton needed. ... http://tantek.com/2013/251/t1/indieweb-reply-favorite-retweet-notes
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @caseorganic: I have p3k framework on my domain, so I login with indieauth, note and syndicate to twitter
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @caseorganic: don't ever get a romanian domain, they'll yell at you about wire transfers
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @caseorganic: If the note is too long for twitter I have a full note posting interface that will just send the link to twitter
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@k3r3n3
@caseorganic @aaronpk hey you guys, keep on rocking in the free world! #indiewebcampuk hugs from #TLV
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @borismus: I have a menubar attachment on my mac that will let me post to my site from the front window
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @borismus: I use the title and the direct link for twitter and the body for google plus
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @voxpelli: I have an endpoint that gets webmentions, if I curl it, it will check and add a webmention to a list
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @voxpelli: the goal is to present webmentions like Disqus is used today on websites
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@borismus
IndieWebCamp was pretty fun! Woohoo. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK
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@kongroove
.@BarnabyWalters showing his web actions demo with @t to #indiewebcampuk participants.
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @cuv82: I have a follow bookmarklet to follow people. I can reply to @aaronpk's post in my reader [@aaronpk I received it]
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @stefek99: my demo is #commandcontrol - I have too many websites. I want to promote different ones each day
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@kongroove
.@stefek99 is enthusiastically showing his demo after a day of hacking #indiewebcampUK #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/kongroove/status/376744790865747968/photo/1
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@stefek99
#indiewebcamp #indiewebcampUK → #CommandControl slides → https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uD-jP3t03JVQsv06JoFQvWAcJ92JTx1KrdExmDoKFHk/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000 (own URL shortener coming next)
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@Qhayiya_01472
RT @t: #indieweb @zeldman you can now Reply (and Favorite and Retweet) on notes on my site. No backbutton needed. ... http://tantek.com/2013/251/t1/indieweb-reply-favorite-retweet-notes
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @brennannovak: I have a local version of indiewebifyme - finding rel="me" on their sites to check indieauth
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@stefek99
RT @kongroove: .@stefek99 is enthusiastically showing his demo after a day of hacking #indiewebcampUK #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/kongroove/status/376744790865747968/photo/1
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @brennannovak: the next one validates hCard, and the third will check Webmention - this is a validator for indieness
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @aaronpk: when people implemented webmentions they wanted to parse out microformats. My PHP parser depended on a library
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @aaronpk: This will simplify the PHP microformats2 parser to only be in a single file
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@jgarber
Between @dconstruct and @IndieWebCampUK, my brain is full. What a great weekend!
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@kongroove
Scientists & makers of the web collaborating for an independent web. #indiewebcampuk fruits: web actions web mentions https://twitter.com/kongroove/status/376755074187685888/photo/1
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@glennjones
Had a great time at #indiewebcamp, blog post will follow, once I have fixed all the damage I have done to my blog - too much hacking :)
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@kongroove
A day for ideas & concepts, a day for building working prototypes. That's how innovative future services & products made #indiewebcampuk
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@schalkneethling
Webmentions: A modern alternative to Pingback ~ http://webmention.org/
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@kongroove
Web citizens, own your data - take action socialise from your own domain #indiewebcampuk brainstormed/built for an independent web in 2 days
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@kongroove
Superfast innovation in 2 days w hard working participants from all over the world @t & makers of the web produced great ideas for #indieweb
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@kongroove
Doing something good w enthusiasm bring everyone to a common ground for making things #indiewebcampuk was no different from this humane idea
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@obra
Getting really excited about the state of #indieweb stuff.
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@obra
@harper on my phone right now. Have a look at @benwerd's idno.co @aaronpk's stuff, @t's stuff and the indiewebcamp wiki.
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@benwerd
@kevinmarks I'm not going to be cloning anyone else's UI - it's my site, not theirs! But dropdown / options are a good idea. #indiewebcamp
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@aaronpk
@barnabywalters You owe me £2 for dinner at Bill's. Don't forget! ;) #indiewebcamp #indiecash (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/09/08/2/indiewebcamp-indiecash)
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@aaronpk
@glennjones the group has been dwindling after each stop, a few of us are now at the myhotel bar! #indiewebcampuk (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/09/08/3/indiewebcampuk)
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bret.io
edited /news (+18) "Emboldened primary news sources"
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@aral
So @aaronpk’s p3k (pronounced ‘peek’) looks like the state of the art on plug”and”play Indie Web. Some great stuff. http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
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@aral
http://webmention.io — open source hosted service created to easily handle webmentions (and legacy pingbacks) on any web page. #indieweb
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@IndieWebCampUK
@glennjones there's a small group at the myHotel bar.
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@benjaminparry
RT @aral: http://webmention.io — open source hosted service created to easily handle webmentions (and legacy pingbacks) on any web page. …
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@UXCodeLine
RT @aral: http://webmention.io — open source hosted service created to easily handle webmentions (and legacy pingbacks) on any web page. …
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@paddyforan
RT @aral: http://webmention.io — open source hosted service created to easily handle webmentions (and legacy pingbacks) on any web page. …
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@benrmatthews
RT @aral: http://webmention.io — open source hosted service created to easily handle webmentions (and legacy pingbacks) on any web page. …
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@Matengor
Webmention.io: Open source toolkit/service to handle webmentions from any source on any web page via @aral
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@mindcrash
@aral Planning on writing a blogpost with all the awesomeness you've discovered at indieweb after the event is over? (For sharing et al? :))
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@kevinmarks
RT @aral: http://webmention.io — open source hosted service created to easily handle webmentions (and legacy pingbacks) on any web page. …
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@DimitrisTzouris
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@kevinmarks
While dickheads were turning the #tcdisrupt hackathon into a tackathon, #indiewebcamp UK was hacking Web Action interop
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@ecspike
RT @kevinmarks: While dickheads were turning the #tcdisrupt hackathon into a tackathon, #indiewebcamp UK was hacking Web Action interop
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@pelavarre
See here a recap hinting at a taxonomy of famous social media bots gone insensitive and evil. ~~~ via @CaseOrganic http://indiewebcamp.com/why
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@timmmmyboy
RT @aral: http://webmention.io — open source hosted service created to easily handle webmentions (and legacy pingbacks) on any web page. …
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@kongroove
Fruits of today's hacking session for an independent web - @aaronpk showing his demo at #indiewebcampuk https://twitter.com/kongroove/status/376831050728869888/photo/1
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@kongroove
Wrapping up #indiewebcampuk w the awesome @MakerFaireBTN hack. A remote controlled #Dalek in the streets of #Brighton https://twitter.com/kongroove/status/376832981266341888/photo/1
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@Brighton_RT
RT @kongroove: Wrapping up #indiewebcampuk w the awesome @MakerFaireBTN hack. A remote controlled #Dalek in the streets of #Brighton http:/…
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