#indiewebcamp 2013-09-09

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tantek aaronpk - good post on culture and startups: http://blog.prettylittlestatemachine.com/blog/2013/02/20/what-your-culture-really-says
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bret whew… catching up on all the IRC logs and either pads
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bret looks like you all had some fun
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tantek and follow-up: http://www.fastcolabs.com/3016238/why-your-startups-culture-is-secretly-awful
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tantek bret - indeed - it was awesome!
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aaronpk bret: YES WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN
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@t Great people ideas hacks @IndieWebCampUK. Lots of indie-indie connections #ctrlcmd #menubarapp #webactions #webmention (ttk.me t4Rw2) (twitter.com/_/status/376865988547194880)
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bret aaronpk: I was getting married lol
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aaronpk acceptable
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bret IRC logs get kind of sparse, time to check out the eitherpads
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aaronpk we were very much IRL today
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aaronpk the etherpads have good notes, we will be moving them into the wiki soon
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bret the second day is super overwhelming, iirc
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bret what is the popular way to share collections of photos into common pool?
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caseorganic embed ALL THE THINGS
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bret like, if you want folks to upload photos and then add them into a pool
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tantek embed all the photos on the wiki page for the event
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Loqi EMBED ALL THE THINGS http://loqi.me/7uF
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Loqi EMBED ALL THE PHOTOS http://loqi.me/7uG
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bret glad to see Leonardo made it :)
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aaronpk also http://tagboard.com/indiewebcampuk does a pretty good job of aggregating
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bret the IRC logs do a pretty sweet job of getting the twitter action
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bret also, caseorganic running p3k? gangster!
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caseorganic bret: YES
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caseorganic bret: such a relief not to have to use Twitter UI or site anymore
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bret sweet!
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caseorganic bret: yeah!
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bret aaronpk: get ready for the onslaught of GH issues ;p
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aaronpk :D
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aaronpk oh also I used you as a prime example of a static indieweb site the whole time
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bret sweet!
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bret i have quite a few more things to add when I get time
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bret web actions on my site + configuring prose to consume them'
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bret I also still need to try CORS for display contexts
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aaronpk returning the h-entry ontent is going to be a thing in webmention.io soon
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bret sweet
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bret that would be easiest, but it would be cool to use CORS as a fallback
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bret aaronpk: I'm super excited for that, should do the trick for a while
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bret still want to do pump.io stuff but getting that up and running has been a challenge for me
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bret evan won't respond to my GH issue on pump app fog deployment
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bret :(
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aaronpk aw
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aaronpk bedtime! super late here. flight in the morning!
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aaronpk see you in PDT soon!
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aaronpk oh also this is happening http://calagator.org/events/1250464804
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Loqi IndieAuth OpenID Hackathon on Sunday, Sep 15, 10:00am at Sisters Coffee
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bret caseorganic is your talk online?
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caseorganic bret: the dconstruct one? not yet
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bret ya
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bret way cool aaronpk, i might show up to root you on
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bret "dickheads" "tcdisrup" ? can anyone explain?
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bret did indiedata find common ground with indieweb over the last two days?
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@domenicoperri RT @t: Great people ideas hacks @IndieWebCampUK. Lots of indie-indie connections #ctrlcmd #menubarapp #webactions #webmention (ttk.me t4Rw2) (twitter.com/_/status/376937844276613120)
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@RubenVerborgh Find out who mentions your content on the Web: WebMention, a modern alternative to PingBack. http://webmention.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/376977411868721152)
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@ouvanous RT @RubenVerborgh: Find out who mentions your content on the Web: WebMention, a modern alternative to PingBack. http://webmention.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/376985209218281472)
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@joshr hacking at #indiewebcamp this weekend http://www.flickr.com/photo.gne?short=fMXGHo with @briansuda @t @JimPurbrick @adactio @glennjones @simonw and many others! (twitter.com/_/status/376987447047254016)
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@joshr and more #indiewebcamp hacking with @kevinmarks @blaine @paulrobertlloyd @hadleybeeman and tons of others http://www.flickr.com/photo.gne?short=fMF85T (twitter.com/_/status/376988128076386304)
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@Par30web خب دوست عزیزمون @adactio داره در خصوص Webmentionها آزمایش انجام میده که ببینیم چی میشه! http://adactio.com/journal/6469/ (twitter.com/_/status/376991403332493312)
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aaronpk wow check out how many replies adactio has already gotten on his "testing webmentions" post! http://adactio.com/journal/6469/
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Loqi [mention] http://minoanpenman.com/2013/09/09/silo-effect/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#Publishing_Flows (pingback)
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@aral Terms & Conditions May Apply Trailer: http://tacma.net Watch it @LighthouseArts on Sept 22nd: http://tacma-22-sept-2013.eventbrite.co.uk #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/377007100033236992)
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@aral Terms & Conditions May Apply Trailer: http://tacma.net Watch it at @LighthouseArts on Sept 22nd: http://tacma-22-sept-2013.eventbrite.co.uk #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/377007170262671360)
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@caseorganic @adactio Testing Webmention! Thanks so much for an incredible #dConstruct! http://caseorganic.com/replies/2013/09/09/1/ (twitter.com/_/status/377010337968439296)
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@aral @CullenHoback Would <3 to bring you over to Brighton for a screening + Q&A. How do we make this happen?+@DukeofYorks @honorharger #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/377020076341604352)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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neuro` Good morning tantek
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neuro` Are you back to the US?
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tantek still in Brighton
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tantek hey bnvk
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tantek did anyone see or meet Corey Pein this weekend?
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bnvk hey tantek: how goes it?
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tantek goes well - just checking off a few more that showed up
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bnvk tantek: what are you up today? I'm hangin out with Bjarni hackin on Mailpile stuff, but will be bouncing around later
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tantek resting and recovering from the weekend
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tantek though I think I'll go for a run soon (haven't gone since I got to the UK)
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tantek afternoon and evening are fairly open
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tantek might pop by the Clearleft office for a bit to do some travel planning
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bnvk Cool. Let's touch base a lil bit later and hopefully meetup :)
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tantek bnvk - that would be great! :)
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tantek did anyone at indiewebcampuk meet Mike Atkins or David Kendal?
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bnvk Not I
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tantek I think we only had *one* no show from the sign-up list and he may have caught the flu! https://twitter.com/coreypein/status/376658427373580288
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@coreypein Summer flu came late, too.
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bnvk aww
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tantek !tell barnabywalters did you remember meeting or seeing Corey Pein, Mike Atkins, or David Kendal? They're the only ones signedup or waitlisted that are not checked off!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek bnvk if my count is right, we had 38 people this weekend, including 5 apprentices. and that's not counting folks like k3r3n3 & nadav, or russ & jonty who just stopped by to hang out and chat with folks.
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bnvk that's super super awesome!
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bnvk Seeing this thing grow the way it has is super inspiring and neat!
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tantek bnvk - indeed. 2013 looks to be the year the IndieWeb tipped.
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bnvk Hooray for tipping points :)
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neuro` Been backlogging, seems to have been lots of interesting things
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neuro` tantek: ready for an IndieWeb dinner Paris?
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tantek neuro` maybe tomorrow night?
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tantek let me figure out my trains :)
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neuro` tantek: if the weather keeps being that crappy yes. I'm engaged in a tennis tournament and am supposed to play tomorrow night. But the weather is crappy so my match will probably be delayed.
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tantek adding a few more folks from photos
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tantek so counting Simon and Jim, we had at least 40 people
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neuro` That's awesome.
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tantek wow the guy that showed up and did the callme demo didn't even sign up!
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tantek https://twitter.com/sammachin
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tantek http://sammachin.com/callme/ - call his phone via WebRTC
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tantek some indiewebcampuk2013 photos showing up on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=indiewebcampuk2013&m=tags&ss=2&ct=6&mt=all&adv=1
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tantek need to go through the demo notes/tweets and see who else showed up and got stuff done that wasn't signed up! (and add them retroactively to the wiki)
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@brennannovak @sammachin your CallMe WebRTC thing sounds awesome- bummed I missed the demo at #IndieWebCamp do you have the code anywhere? (twitter.com/_/status/377071105027997697)
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bnvk !tell barnabywalters can you email or SMS me the name of that hostel you stayed at in Brighton?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@ThatEmil Speaking of comments, need to get Webmention rolling on my blog: http://t.co/qzChWigtTu, http://webmention.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/377076445215875072)
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tantek !tell bnvk heading to central Brighton, ETA ~17:30. Let me know if you want to grab dinner (and any other #indiewebcamp'ers still around).
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi bnvk: tantek left you a message 49 minutes ago: heading to central Brighton, ETA ~17:30. Let me know if you want to grab dinner (and any other #indiewebcamp'ers still around).
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tantek !tell bnvk hanging out at Clearleft with Jason Garber. Where are you at?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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shaners Good morning*, Indie Web Campers!
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shaners So now that IWC:UK is come and gone, let's focus on the next event. Just a couple months away.
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shaners http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/hollywood
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shaners November 3–4 in Hollywood, CA
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shaners In a backyard of a 1903 farmhouse underneath a 110 year old avocado tree!
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shaners If you're gonna attend, please add yourself to the page on the wiki.
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@cryptoRadio RT @cataspanglish: #CryptoParty Brighton coming soon #indiewebcamp #BDF2013 (twitter.com/_/status/377128227736543234)
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tantek shaners - awesome!
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tantek I'm still catching up on documenting everything from IWCUK2013
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tantek so it's not quite over yet for some of us :)
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shaners :D
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tantek gotta get all the etherpads onto the wiki
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tantek gotta embed/hotlink all the awesome photos people took and posted on their own sites, Flickr, Instagram, Twitter
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tantek lots of photos this time
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shaners you know, mumble mumble momentum
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shaners totally
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tantek MOMENTUM++
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Loqi MOMENTUM has 1 karma
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tantek !tell bnvk a few of us (Jason Garber, Paul) are heading to The Basketmakers Arms for dinner.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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shaners tantek: will *you* be at IWC:H2013?
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tantek shaners - working on making it happen
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shaners righteous
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tantek you'll know when you see me added to the wiki :D
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tantek out to dinner
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tantek laters!
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@hyper_linda @ClareSutcliffe #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/377140802608447488)
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: Great people ideas hacks @IndieWebCampUK. Lots of indie-indie connections #ctrlcmd #menubarapp #webactions #webmention (ttk.me t4Rw2) (twitter.com/_/status/377140956341870593)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 39 minutes ago: did you remember meeting or seeing Corey Pein, Mike Atkins, or David Kendal? They're the only ones signedup or waitlisted that are not checked off!
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Loqi barnabywalters: bnvk left you a message 6 hours, 12 minutes ago: can you email or SMS me the name of that hostel you stayed at in Brighton?
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dpk !tell tantek "did you remember meeting or seeing Corey Pein, Mike Atkins, or David Kendal?" — i was not there, sad to say, as i mentioned. Sunday turned out not to be possible either for family reasons. sad i missed it, maybe next year!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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barnabywalters dpk: sorry you couldn’t some, hopefully see you next year :)
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dpk yeah, hope so
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barnabywalters woo g+ does another innovation: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RxLV5/
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barnabywalters now you can advertise g+ even more easily on your own site
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barnabywalters not only is the announcement a selfdogfood fail, they didn’t even embed a post in the announcement
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josephg etherpad?
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barnabywalters josephg: indeed, this one (amongst others): https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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josephg hehe nice
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josephg I worked with the original etherpad team on wave
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josephg ... and I met the guys who made etherpad lite at an etherpad event a few months ago
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dpk hahah, nice
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dpk i've been trying to work out how Wave worked recently
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dpk pretty cool stuff internally
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josephg yeah I'm ... uh, pretty familiar with that :)
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barnabywalters oh cool!
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dpk collaborative editing of structured documents (in the sense of having markup) is a hard problem, as i've found out
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josephg some of wave's internals are really awesome, and some of it is horrifying.
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josephg hah yeah
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josephg well, editing things with markup is different from things with rich text
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dpk yeah, rich text is what i mean
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josephg in my experience, the hardest part of all is doing it in a browser with contenteditable
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dpk internally it has markup, of course, and managing that is what makes it hard
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josephg yeah :)
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dpk yeah, contenteditable sucks
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josephg the OT part is pretty easy though actually, if you know what you're doing
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dpk doesn't know what he's doing
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josephg a couple weekends ago I got about 1/3rd of the way through a rich text implementation for sharejs
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josephg the algorithms seem fancy because most of us havn't come across them before
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dpk (http://mlkshk.com/r/97VP)
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barnabywalters there was an IWCUK session on collaborative editing, I’m not sure if anyone logged it
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josephg but they're actually kinda simple
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josephg oh yeah?
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josephg heh...
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josephg well, yeah - thats kind of my thing
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dpk barnabywalters, blastisement, now i *really* wish i could have gone
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dpk i've been looking hard at this lately
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barnabywalters yeah, apparently the mailpile guys have had some requests for collaborative email writing
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dpk oh, that would be cool
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dpk |o/ COLLABORATIVE _ALL_ THE EDITORS!
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josephg heh - I chimed in on a bug they had going
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barnabywalters but it was one of the first sessions and we forgot to stress how important it was to log session notes at the beginning of the day
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josephg yeah, the dream is to have the glorious messaging bus in the sky
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josephg made out of OT :p
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dpk josephg: yeah, iscoole
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josephg anyway, I wasn't there in the UK (its faar)
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barnabywalters josephg: where are you based?
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josephg SF
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barnabywalters have you been to the portland IWCs before?
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josephg I've never been to portland
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barnabywalters there’s also one in LA coming up
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josephg only moved to the US in feb
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josephg yeah I saw that...
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dpk etherpad's approach ("easysync") is nice and simple. i'm guessing wave uses a variant of that? i tried to look at the source but it's a lot of Java in a lot of different files
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dpk i couldn't work out how to get it to apply to anything other than plain text with basic styles (bold, italic), though
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josephg hah - yeah its simple, but they have a really stupidly complicated wire protocol to shave off a few bytes
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josephg I haven't looked into it that much - its a variant on what wave used
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josephg there's a few talks floating around the web from the etherpad meetup in (march?)
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josephg .. one of which includes david greenspan talking through the OT algorithm
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dpk yeah, i noticed that. the only documentation of the actual algorithm is the draft of an academic paper about it which was hacked into something resembling documentation
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josephg sounds about right :)
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dpk namely, https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/blob/develop/doc/easysync/easysync-full-description.pdf
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josephg um, so one of the really nice things about OT is that you can separate out the actual operation format & transform code from how the operations are managed
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josephg I would recommend learning them separately
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dpk right
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josephg one of the nice things about that fact is that you can learn OT using a really stupid data model
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josephg then just change your operations to easysync's ops or whatever and the rest of your code / understanding will translate straight across
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josephg once you understand how easysync (or whatever) works
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dpk nods
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josephg sharejs now has https://github.com/share/ottypes for the various data types
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josephg - easysync works slightly differently too
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josephg (does it use version vectors?)
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josephg anyway, whatever. I lurk here if you're curious about stuff.
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josephg ... ping me
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dpk cool, thanks
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barnabywalters that’s enough wiki for this evening. goodnight #indiewebcamp
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Loqi gute nacht!
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Loqi tantek: dpk left you a message 1 hour, 13 minutes ago: "did you remember meeting or seeing Corey Pein, Mike Atkins, or David Kendal?" — i was not there, sad to say, as i mentioned. Sunday turned out not to be possible either for family reasons. sad i missed it, maybe next year!
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Loqi bnvk: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 26 minutes ago: hanging out at Clearleft with Jason Garber. Where are you at?
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Loqi bnvk: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 3 minutes ago: a few of us (Jason Garber, Paul) are heading to The Basketmakers Arms for dinner.
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tantek hey bnvk sorry to miss you tonight
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bnvk tantek: heya, shucks. I wasn't sure how to connect earlier when I got your msg at 5:00 and ended up returning to London
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