#indiewebcamp 2013-09-11

2013-09-11 UTC
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sparveri1s im working on a simple cms for personal use based off of django and it's going swimmingly
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sparveri1s maybe roll your own?
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Garbee Setup as in just their post management configuration.
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Garbee And their UI as a whole honestly.
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Garbee Wardrobe is so simple and I love it for that, but it doesn't work on my shared host (laravel thing probably.)
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Garbee I may just build my own little system.
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Garbee It isn't that hard to build a blog.
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tantek Garbee - that's the spirit!
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tantek most of us came to the same conclusion
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tantek hence the long list here: http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#experimental
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rknLA Garbee: what's your motivation of staying on a shared host?
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josephg shrugs
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josephg https://github.com/josephg/words
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josephg you're welcome to clone
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josephg ofc :)
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josephg I got it from nornagon/words, and I think we've diverged a bit
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josephg https://josephg.com/ <-- powers that.
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josephg ( Garbee: ^ )
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tantek josephg - selfdogfood. I like :)
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caseorganic.com edited /2013/UK/Photos (-15) "made page look kind of better" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2013/09/10/2/indiewebcamp-uk linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@eschnou I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377695069664731136)
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@adambrault RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377695992298344448)
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@julien51 RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377696909567479808)
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@angelasr23 RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377696962252132352)
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donpdonp drinks 8oz of camilstore koolaid
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@ralphm RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377698349539164160)
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tantek donpdonp - where is camlistore relative to your other itch(es) http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Donpark.org?
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@saghul RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377702234710351872)
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@hirojin RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377705691647315968)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 9/10 at 6:56am: I was able to reproduce the Twitter threading problem that we saw with a couple more tweets: https://twitter.com/t/status/377428740974080000 and https://twitter.com/t/status/377429934463266817 which points it out to BenWard (hoping he'll file a bug)
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barnabywalters morning #indiewebcamp
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hober yo
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tantek morning barnabywalters
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tantek let me know when you've had a chance to take a look at those tweets and let me know what you think
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barnabywalters tantek: good (bad?) to see that bug wasn’t a one off — thanks for reporting it
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barnabywalters I’ve got a basic version of Weave (the extension Aral and I were working on) expanding aaronpk’s tweets on twitter.com
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barnabywalters it also works with my tweets, but crashes safari ;) not sure why yet
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barnabywalters seems to send twitter.com into an infinite redirect loop
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tantek odd. I wonder if it's a JS interaction thing
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tantek how about my tweets?
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barnabywalters tantek: hmm, doesn’t seem to be working for your tweets
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barnabywalters probably the https:// thing again
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barnabywalters I need to implement redirect handling in all my original post discovery code
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barnabywalters which is now mainly written in both JS and PHP, making it potential #cassis material, right?
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@pedromelo RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377718176186114049)
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@aifesteves RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377718623369842688)
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tantek barnabywalters yes! if you can converge the JS and PHP versions, we can add it to #cassis.js
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tantek (just Loqi and me in there currently ;) )
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Loqi dude
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barnabywalters tantek: I’m super busy this week (I’m on “holiday”) but when I’m back in iceland I’ll have a closer look at cassis and get my head round some of the syntax
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neuro` Good morning.
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barnabywalters morning neuro`
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barnabywalters bnvk: just sent you an email RE indiewebify.me
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cweiske who made indiewebify.me?
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barnabywalters cweiske: bnvk
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cweiske I get JS errors, and can't press return in the form fields
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barnabywalters it’s a work in progress :)
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barnabywalters only a few days old
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barnabywalters cweiske: which JS errors, in what browser?
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cweiske in opera, directly on loading: Uncaught exception: TypeError: Cannot convert 'result' to object Event thread: readystatechange indiewebify.me/:284
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cweiske Uncaught exception: TypeError: Cannot convert 'result' to object Event thread: readystatechange indiewebify.me/:287
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cweiske in chrome: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'items' of null :284
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cweiske s/chrome/chromium/
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: in chromium: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'items' of null :284
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barnabywalters thanks, creating issues
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cweiske would be nice if the source code was linked
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barnabywalters cweiske: good call
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bnvk cweiske: which form fields?
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cweiske or marked up with a rel=vcs-git link
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cweiske bnvk, all
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cweiske I manually have to click the buttons with the mouse
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barnabywalters cweiske: ooh, nice, hadn’t come across that one before
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barnabywalters (rel link)
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cweiske http://joeyh.name/rfc/rel-vcs/
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cweiske gitorious.org uses it
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cweiske and my git-based pastebin also
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bnvk mmm... the first three work if you have valid markup on your site- I haven't implement else feedback for if the results are empty
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cweiske this way you can fork remote repositories by simply pasting their website url
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barnabywalters cweiske: cool, reminds me a little of the meta values built into Go
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bnvk cweiske: and yes, they're not actually <form> at the moment- just input + submit, like barnabywalters said, it's a work in progress
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cweiske barnabywalters, http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/phorkie-0.3.1.htm#federation
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Garbee rknLA, Well, it really isn't 'motivation' as much as it is not wanting to put it on the VPS with my dads ecommerce site. Just in case I screw up security.
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Garbee If I had a VPS for myself, it wouldn't be on a shared host.
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Garbee Oh wait, I can do what I wanted originally.
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Garbee *facepalm*
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Garbee I'm going to use github and Jekyll.
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Garbee I thought removing the MX record for the jonathan subdomain would remove my email for the primary domain. ofc it won't.
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barnabywalters cweiske: RE phorkie: woah that is cool. there’s potential for a new web action there too — sites with <action do="fork">
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barnabywalters which then redirects to your vcs interface of choice and forks the code
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tommorris how was indiewebcamp UK, IRC denizens? :)
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barnabywalters tommorris: BEST WEEKEND EVER
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webactions (+261) "/* Real-World Candidates for Web Actions */ added phorkie federated forks" (view diff)
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tommorris barnabywalters: glad to hear it.
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cweiske barnabywalters, I already thought about that
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cweiske it's the same as the generic reply button
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cweiske my idea was to use a custom protocol
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cweiske web+fork://url/of/this/page
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barnabywalters cweiske: web actions allows you to handle actions using whatever URLs you want, so custom protocols would totally work
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barnabywalters is the phorkie forking UI pre-fillable using URL parameters?
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cweiske no
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cweiske but that's an idea
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barnabywalters i.e. phorkie.example.com/fork?url=whatever
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barnabywalters that’s all that would be required for a fork web action to start working
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barnabywalters I’ll try to set up a phorkie instance later on this week, maybe send you a pull request
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cweiske https://sourceforge.net/p/phorkie/tickets/42/
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cweiske sounds fun
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@aral ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo (twitter.com/_/status/377746983504846849)
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@sqlovesround RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo (twitter.com/_/status/377747128262488064)
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@Freerange_Inc RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo (twitter.com/_/status/377747466088890368)
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cweiske bnvk, I thought that my blog has proper hEntries, but the hentry validation on indiewebify.me fails
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bnvk cweiske: hmm, your blog very well might- I've haven't implemented nearly enough error / difference handling on indiewebify.me yet
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bnvk tantek: hey, sorry we missed each other on monday- when / how long you back in Brighton this weekend for?
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@IQAndreas RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo (twitter.com/_/status/377749232385400832)
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cweiske barnabywalters et al - last sentence before examples in http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webhook-payload-formats.htm#form - do you see that as a problem for webmention?
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cweiske that I can't re-use one script to handle both normal form posts and webmentions, because I'd have to look at the data to decide which data I received?
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cweiske using a custom content-type header makes that easy
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barnabywalters cweiske: what’s your use case for using the same endpoint for both?
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cweiske having to implement a callback endpoint for several APIs, one of them being webmention
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barnabywalters I don’t see that as a problem personally
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cweiske ok
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barnabywalters in fact, it makes it really easy for people to add forms to their websites so people can submit webmentions manually
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barnabywalters I think adactio did that
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barnabywalters yep, here: http://adactio.com/journal/6469/
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@BarnabyWalters Really liking the way @adactio adds a webmention sending form to his journal entries — makes it super easy for p… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RzBAg/ (twitter.com/_/status/377751047668006912)
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@xtof_fr #mood:94 (Étude usages #webactions en #quantifiedself : Pas, humeur, poids ...) #ownyourdata #thyself #UX #UI http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-254 (twitter.com/_/status/377751107771981824)
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@_Ereputation RT @xtof_fr: #mood:94 (Étude usages #webactions en #quantifiedself : Pas, humeur, poids ...) #ownyourdata #thyself #UX #UI http://t.co/PRN… (twitter.com/_/status/377751810406383617)
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@FarshadNayeri RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo (twitter.com/_/status/377752512067289088)
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tantek bnvk - I'll be back in Brighton sat sun
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bnvk Ok, cool!
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neuro` tantek: how's your French trip going?
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tantek it's good. I haven't been sleeping much so tired.
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neuro` I hope French taxi drivers are not too assholes
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tommorris is doing exciting development for a certain blue silo at work.
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@alecperkins RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo (twitter.com/_/status/377764689486544897)
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tantek neuro` - so far no taxi. just walking and metro.
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@roundtrip RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo (twitter.com/_/status/377774340705882112)
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pfefferle I released a first indieauth plugin for wordpress if someone is interested https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieauth
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pfefferle this version supports only logins… no registration yet
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cweiske pfefferle, you should urlencode the POST identifier
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cweiske dito with $token
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pfefferle oh yes, thanks
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cweiske also, array_key_exists will throw a warning when the json response is no json
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cweiske pfefferle, do you have it in use somewhere?
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pfefferle not yet
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pfefferle will install it on notizblog.org later
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cweiske pfefferle, not urldecode
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cweiske encode
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pfefferle yes is already updated
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pfefferle :)
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cweiske s/hickup/hiccup/
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cweiske you need to encode all url parameters
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cweiske the redirect url and the token parameter, too
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pfefferle fixed
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pfefferle thanks
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aaronpk pfefferle: that's awesome!
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pfefferle thanks :)
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@jameschurchman RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377809264863346689)
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@sodrupal @hedley_smith @aral @drupal #indiedata websites would be an Archipelago / user accounts linkable across sites,distr soc nwk take on facebook (twitter.com/_/status/377830898160250880)
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@aral @sodrupal @hedley_smith @drupal Check out what the @indiewebcamp folks are doing — they’ve already got a lot of it working :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/377832125565009920)
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@hedley_smith @aral @sodrupal @drupal @indiewebcamp looks great, an indie social network to compete with FB is needed (twitter.com/_/status/377834737651712000)
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@aaronpk @naveen Totally! As soon as there's an API in iOS I'm going to make a TouchID plugin for http://t.co/djpjs1Bvsy! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/09/11/1/touchid-indieauth) (twitter.com/_/status/377891286441009153)
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barnabywalters !tell tantek original post discovery endpoint now supports redirect resolution of both POSSE links and syndication links, e.g: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/original-post?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ft%2Fstatus%2F377834886692098048
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk barnabywalters: hello!
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barnabywalters good evening aaronpk, are you back in portland now?
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aaronpk yep!
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barnabywalters cool
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aaronpk and no jetlag!
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barnabywalters brilliant to finally meet you+caseorganic over the weekend :)
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barnabywalters YAY
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aaronpk agreed!
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barnabywalters I had some more thoughts about the graph trust cash thing
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aaronpk oh cool
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barnabywalters so, the way trust is built between people who don’t know each other is when the graph is cleared and actual money changes hands
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barnabywalters as in your original experiments
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barnabywalters I’m still not sure how to handle people who don’t pay up though
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aaronpk ah, interesting idea
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barnabywalters so, sticking with our original example
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barnabywalters you owe me and I owe amber
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barnabywalters when we get to graph clearing time and money changes hands, I tell you to pay amber and amber that you’ll pay her
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barnabywalters then the transaction hopefully happens and we all communicate that to each other
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barnabywalters and now we all trust each other to make transactions more
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barnabywalters whereas if the transaction didn’t happen
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barnabywalters then we just carry out the less simplified version of the transaction
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barnabywalters would that resolve the problem?
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aaronpk i'll have to think about that. I hadn't considered *actually* making money change hands as part of this system yet!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: it seems like the fact that money actually changed hands in your original experiments was a key point
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barnabywalters although it would be great to come up with a system which removes the need althogther
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barnabywalters s/althogther/altogether
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: although it would be great to come up with a system which removes the need altogether
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aaronpk yes now that you mention it I think that was the thing that reinforced the trust within the group
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aaronpk because it forced everyone to cough up cash and show that their debt is actually backed by something
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barnabywalters sure
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aaronpk at our office we're using a cash-less system that doesn't rely on exchanging money
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aaronpk it's been working pretty well so far
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barnabywalters aaronpk: documented anywhere?
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aaronpk only in screenshots
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aaronpk http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/9727944860/ -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/9727953264/
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barnabywalters heh — if our memories are our identities, when we share our memories do our identities become eroded?
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barnabywalters oh wow that looks cool
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aaronpk has a mobile "app" too http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/8725152908/
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barnabywalters so it’s all based around coffee? or is coffee just a unit of currency?
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aaronpk it started as coffee, but now coffee has turned into currency
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aaronpk one coffee ~= $3
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aaronpk so lunch is 2-3 coffees
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barnabywalters fascinating — does it fluctuate much?
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aaronpk well, += $0.50 I suppose, but only because of rounding and ease of documentation
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barnabywalters so this works well because there’s an inherent trust between all the people involved
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aaronpk like, a $5 lunch will be 2 coffees because there's no way to document a partial coffee and it's close enough
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barnabywalters and because there’s a central tool and authority presiding over it
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aaronpk yea, this works because there is a closed group of people using it
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barnabywalters is the code open source?
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aaronpk not yet. we need to add a login mechanism first and then we're going to
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aaronpk but yea, this is not really decentralized at all
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barnabywalters still pretty cool
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barnabywalters and lovely UI work
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aaronpk they did a great job!
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi sleep tight!
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@BarnabyWalters IndieWebCamp UK group photo: /by @aaronpk (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RzMRM/) (twitter.com/_/status/377905732269899776)
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stefek99 just very briefly --> I want to thank you all for a blissful weekend in Brighton - #IndiewebcampUK --> still cannot believe how lucky I am to be here... (thanks)
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 58 minutes ago: original post discovery endpoint now supports redirect resolution of both POSSE links and syndication links, e.g: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/original-post?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ft%2Fstatus%2F377834886692098048
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tantek !tell barnabywalters excellent! nicely done with the improved original-post-discovery code and service!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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stefek99 quickly looked at IRC history from yesterday and I was wondering if I can reiterate my question --> browser plugin that will encrypt (clientside) my GoogleDocs and other notes created in any 3rd party app --> nothing groundbreaking in terms of cryptography, just a simple deterrent for opportunistic cases, or a prevention if a service is compromised --> is there anything like this at the moment, any ideas
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@sandeepshetty Friending as a simple solution for spam? ... http://www.sandeep.io/135 #indieweb #webmention (twitter.com/_/status/377919004460847104)
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tantek good to see Sandeep is following along with IRC/discussions and thinking on these issues
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@sandeepshetty "accepting #webmention on my domain ... sorta maps directly with #pumpio's outbox and inbox" http://www.sandeep.io/136 #indieweb /cc @evanpro (twitter.com/_/status/377928274535411713)
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@jalbertbowdenii @tbranyen @facebook zuckerberg and facebook are the unremarkable antichrists of the open web. more opportunities for indieweb missionaries (twitter.com/_/status/377935840301023232)
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