#indiewebcamp 2013-10-08

2013-10-08 UTC
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@matthew_meadows rango's #mothership indieweb radio hq very burgery http://www.audioburger.com/ http://www.audioburger.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/387378137392103424)
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shaners IndieWEbCamp Hollywood is on Nov 3-4. Currently there are only 10 attendees on the wiki. Is anyone else interested in coming?
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@veganstraightedge #IndieWebCamp: Hollywood is on Nov 3-4. Currently there are only 10 attendees on the wiki. Is anyone else coming? http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/hollywood (twitter.com/_/status/387380126649831424)
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shaners Loqi!
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Loqi is done
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jernst shaners: schedule isn't working out for me.
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shaners jernst: dang
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@pjf Are there any regular, language-agnostic (or #IndieWebCamp focused) hack-nights that happen in Melbourne? I know there's one on meet-up... (twitter.com/_/status/387435640242982912)
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Loqi [mention] http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/10/the-real-problem-that-the-percloud-wants-to-solve-and-why-its-still-necessary/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects (pingback)
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@mfioretti_en IMHO #percloud http://doku.php will prepare average Internet users to enjoy what @indiewebcamp is building (twitter.com/_/status/387494189337804800)
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@bethelightwrite It's LIVE, It's LIVE! #NewRelease #ebook on #Kindle! Riverbend: The Collection! http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381179158&sr=8-2&keywords=riverbend+the+collection&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_campaign=hootsuite #grief #hope #love #NA #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/387518115724398592)
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@bethelightwrite Have you downloaded your copy? #NewRelease #indieauth #ebook #romanticsuspense #BYNR http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381179158&sr=8-2&keywords=riverbend+the+collection&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_campaign=hootsuite (twitter.com/_/status/387548432673832960)
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@danamason06 RT @bethelightwrite: Have you downloaded your copy? #NewRelease #indieauth #ebook #romanticsuspense #BYNR http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381179158&sr=8-2&keywords=riverbend+the+collection&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_campaign=hootsuite (twitter.com/_/status/387549166207250432)
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@177IT RT @bethelightwrite: Have you downloaded your copy? #NewRelease #indieauth #ebook #romanticsuspense #BYNR http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381179158&sr=8-2&keywords=riverbend+the+collection&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_campaign=hootsuite (twitter.com/_/status/387549297543487488)
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@Catherinemkirby RT @bethelightwrite: Have you downloaded your copy? #NewRelease #indieauth #ebook #romanticsuspense #BYNR http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381179158&sr=8-2&keywords=riverbend+the+collection&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_campaign=hootsuite (twitter.com/_/status/387612374372737024)
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@nikkortumblr Photo: (via why - IndieWebCamp) http://nikkor.tumblr.com/post/63475048339/via-why-indiewebcamp#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/387619186576748544)
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barnabywalters mafternoon aaronpk
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aaronpk hello
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barnabywalters I think I’ve arrived at functions which return useful debugging info for the relmeauth algiorithms
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aaronpk oo
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barnabywalters http://microformats.org/wiki/relmeauth-algorithms
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barnabywalters specifically the “outcomes” bit
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barnabywalters I haven’t finished tidying up the algorithms to make sure they actually produce those results
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aaronpk awesome. I can't look now, but definiteiyl will
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barnabywalters okay, cool
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barnabywalters this evening at hakkavelin I’ll try to get my PHP implementation passing all tests, then start condensing those tests into HTML+microformats
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aaronpk sweet
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aaronpk how do you properly embed HTML documents inside an HTML document?
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aaronpk source code in a <code> tag?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: was wondering about that. probably just fragments inside <pre><code>
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aaronpk it's almost like we need to be able to do <iframe href="http://example.com"><html><head>....</iframe>
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aaronpk cause then we can specify the URL of the document inside
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barnabywalters it’s another potential use case for <iframe class="e-content" srcdoc="…">
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barnabywalters problem is, srcdoc is ugly
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barnabywalters as you have to html-encode everything
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barnabywalters SVG does this really nicely, where you just add another <svg> element as a child
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aaronpk would a microformats parser work correctly with an HTML tree inside an iframe? not html-encoded?
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barnabywalters needs to build a way of sharing wpc/php-mf2 workspaces
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barnabywalters php-mf2 happily accepts it, but browsers wouldn’t do anything useful with it
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barnabywalters making it pretty useless
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aaronpk hmm
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barnabywalters as IMO the significant thing about mf2 for test suites is that documentation becomes tests
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aaronpk yeah
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barnabywalters I’ll probably take the test suite we made for your relative URL resolution function and turn that into a mf+HTML suite too
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aaronpk cool, yeah that's a pretty comprehensive test suite
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aaronpk also there were a couple tests in the webignition library that were apparently wrong :/
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barnabywalters heh
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barnabywalters it’d be fun to write simple test harnesses for a few different languages with URL resolution functions built in
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barnabywalters e.g. python, go
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barnabywalters and see if they pass the tests too
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aaronpk heh good idea
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barnabywalters it’d be awesome to demo microformats being used to turn documentation of an open standard into cross-language test suites
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aaronpk +1
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barnabywalters okay, heading off. bbiab
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tantek barnabywalters: Yes that would be cool!
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barnabywalters good evening tantek
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barnabywalters so I did a bunch of test suite brainstorming around this topic: http://microformats.org/wiki/test-suite-brainstorming
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@BookYrNextRead RT @bethelightwrite: Have you downloaded your copy? #NewRelease #indieauth #ebook #romanticsuspense #BYNR http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381179158&sr=8-2&keywords=riverbend+the+collection&utm_source=hootsuite&utm_campaign=hootsuite (twitter.com/_/status/387669403284025344)
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barnabywalters computer kernel panicked for the first time in months, on the same day I go to a compsec conference — should I be worried? ;)
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tantek Yeah that would worry me.
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tommorris hey indiewebsters. am going to a hack day this weekend. might actually be able to work on indieweb stuff for the first time in months
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barnabywalters hi tommorris — sounds good
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@olleolleolle @oivvio IndieWeb, då? Relaterat, liksom. (twitter.com/_/status/387675270024818688)
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barnabywalters FINALLY
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barnabywalters I got rel-me validation working
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barnabywalters http://indiewebify.waterpigs.co.uk/validate-rel-me/?url=waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters with *some* useful error messages, and a framework in place for many more
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barnabywalters that was surprisingly complex
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barnabywalters code is here if anyone wants to browse: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/blob/master/src/RelMe.php
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barnabywalters hmm, still getting some false positives
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barnabywalters huh, the positive I thought was false (soundcloud) is actually true!
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barnabywalters turns out soundcloud only sends nasty JS-only code to browsers
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barnabywalters fetching the URL from cURL returns a rather nicely marked up HTML page, with rel=me
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barnabywalters initial implementation of mf+HTML test suite works: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/blob/master/tests/rel-me-test.html
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barnabywalters run with https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/blob/master/tests/html-test-runner.php
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aaronpk whoa
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barnabywalters it’s very hacky at the moment — nowhere near being a usable vocab
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bret awsome barnabywalters!
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barnabywalters but I consider the concept proven :)
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aaronpk that's awesome
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aaronpk why are there two expected results sometimes?
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.github.com%2Findieweb%2Findiewebify-me%2Fmaster%2Ftests%2Frel-me-test.html
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barnabywalters aaronpk: because the function returns two results, a URL and whether or not the redirect chain was secure
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aaronpk oh!
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aaronpk neat
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barnabywalters I’m making heavy use of multiple redirects in my relmeauth implementation to make providing helpful debug messages easier
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barnabywalters not sure how to do array parameters yet
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aaronpk multiple redirects?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah, so far I’ve just been using the first x-parameter value as the me URL, and the rest as the redirect chain to mock
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barnabywalters but that’s a bit fragile
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barnabywalters it needs to be based on actual authoring practises
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk this looks nice though https://rawgithub.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/master/tests/rel-me-test.html
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barnabywalters oooh, didn’t know about rawgithub.com
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barnabywalters that’s nifty
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barnabywalters and, of course, the next step after just using the HTML file to derive the test suite is to run the tests IN the HTML file
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barnabywalters so the spec comes to life
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aaronpk with javascript???
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah
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aaronpk haha
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