#indiewebcamp 2013-10-15

2013-10-15 UTC
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acegiak has anyone got posse to tumblr working? I was gonna have a go getting it working but oauth is a bit beyond me
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hupili morning everyone
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hupili i
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hupili i've not shown up for a long time
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hupili so busy with some paper deadlines
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hupili just find that MyOpenID will stop the service..
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acegiak hupili, yeah, indieauth apparently can now work with openid so that's neat
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tilgovi if I start triggering webmentions does my source uri have to have anything beyond just the link to the target?
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tilgovi specs say just target, but the video demo on aaronpk blog seems to be scraping the content of the reply
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tilgovi the hEntry context of the target link?
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acegiak tilgovi: how elese would the person receiving the webmention get the content of the reply?
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tilgovi i had no other suggestion. that's the obvious answer.
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tilgovi but the specs don't specify anything
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tilgovi so I suppose it would be enough for a server to just link back, showing no content
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tilgovi if it finds the target uri
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tilgovi but better if it can parse the source
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tilgovi just wanted to check if hEntry was, in fact, the way it's being done
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acegiak tilgovi: it is
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak I think the point is the h-entry isn't a requirement for webmention specifically
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acegiak webmention could link to anything
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acegiak but for the indieweb reply stream hentry is being used
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hupili acegiak, does indieauth support openid2 delegation?
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hupili I just followed the instructions on http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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hupili it works with some sites
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hupili when I try PyPI, it prompts "Cannot establish OpenID session: need more than 1 value to unpack
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tilgovi acegiak: thanks. makes sense. i like that they're not bound together.
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acegiak hupili: yeah I've had some minor issues too I'm no expert in auth stuff I just remembered seeing a post about it
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acegiak http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/09/15/1/indieauth-now-supports-openid-delegation
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hupili thanks, I found the hackerthon notes, http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-09-15-pdx-indieauth-openid-hackathon
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hupili only openid1.1 is supported as the first step
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acegiak kk
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acegiak aaronpk: did you get a webmention from me just now on the live comments test post?
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Jihaisse Hello
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@ya_f @BiHi La plupart des nouvelles implémentations viennent de lá http://indiewebcamp.com/ :) (twitter.com/_/status/390040899452813312)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webactions (+642) "/* Delegate URLs */ expanded, added see-also, benefits, pushups example app" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webactions (+1) "/* = Apps which allow you to provide Delegate URLs to submit data to */ header fix" (view diff)
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@john_fisherman Own your data. Create and publish content on your own site, and syndicate to third-party silos. http://indiewebcamp.com via @adactio (twitter.com/_/status/390082284273299456)
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barnabywalters is anyone actively using remotestorage.io personally?
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tantek good morning IndieWebCamp!
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tantek had a good meeting yesterday at the New York Times - looks like we're going to be organizing an IndieWebCampNYC there in Spring 2014. Who here would be up for that?
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tommorris tantek: ooh. I love NYC. :)
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barnabywalters morning tantek
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barnabywalters , tommorris
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barnabywalters more IWC is always good :)
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Jihaisse good news
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Jihaisse I wonder if there will be enought people in france to organize a IWC in france...
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Jihaisse there is neuro`, xtof, gregoire, julien51
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Jihaisse I don't know if there is more frenchies here
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Jihaisse michel_v maybe
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michel_v o/
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michel_v I fear I won't have much to contribute though
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Jihaisse I just asking myself who is french here michel_v
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Jihaisse contributing is another step ahead ;)
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Jihaisse I'm not sure to have time to contribute
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tommorris Jihaisse: I could always find an excuse to hop on the Eurostar to Paris. ;)
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tommorris (I saw that Eurostar are going to start London to Amsterdam direct services in the next year or so. Which will be win.)
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barnabywalters how good is rail travel between central EU countries? might be more appealing than brighton for people in Germany, Belgium, etc
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Jihaisse tommorris: you are from amsterdam ?
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: I don't know, I use my car when I go in Germany or in Switzerland
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Jihaisse for going in Italy, it's a pain
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Jihaisse 8h for going from chambery to firenze
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Loqi !calc 8h for going from chambery to firenze
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Jihaisse 5h to go to milano
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Loqi !calc 5h to go to milano
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tommorris Jihaisse: No, but I like Amsterdam and NL and have visited repeatedly.
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tantek agreed with more IWC is always good :)
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tommorris I did overnight from Paris to Venice once. And as a kid, I did Calais to Bologna on the big sleeper you could take your car on
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acegiak pfefferle: did you get my email?
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pfefferle acegiak yes thanks but i am still thinking about it...
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acegiak pfefferle: cool, i just wanted to check i had the right address on file.
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pfefferle acegiak you have :)
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pfefferle I wanted to refactor the plugin and remove all mf2 so it implements only the spec
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acegiak atm i'm adding a second hyperlink to thr content that has the markup and the text is just a dot in brackets
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pfefferle …and move all the mf2 stuff to an extra plugin to implement all the semantic stuff
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acegiak pfefferle: so other plugins could call the webmention function or would the webmention plugin still scan the content for links?
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pfefferle both… it will scan the body and you can hook into all functions
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acegiak kk rad
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pfefferle thats the plan ;)
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acegiak im thinking about whether or not i can add mf2 stuff like hentry markup through plugins so that it can be template independant
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pfefferle i started working on a basic-plugin https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-uf2
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acegiak oh cool, ill check it out in the morning.
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acegiak its nearly midnight here and ive got to be up for work, but i saw you online and didnt want to miss you
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pfefferle :)
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neuro` Don't mention it, I have 2 months of branching frenzy to merge
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pfefferle let me know if you find some bugs or feel free to contibute
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acegiak i will, i assume you saw i forked sempress initially because the images in the blogroll were being weird for me
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pfefferle oh! never thought about the images and never tested them...
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pfefferle thank's for the tipp
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acegiak just before i hit the sack, do you know a good way for a plugin to create an oauth callback url? im thinking of writing a plugin to posse to tumblr but i need to get the authentication working first
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pfefferle oauth2 or oauth1?
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acegiak pfefferle, do i need to do anything to let you merge the change in github?
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pfefferle you can start a pull request
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pfefferle it's a button above the file list
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acegiak ok cool might do that in the morning
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acegiak what do you think of the context metadata display?
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acegiak oauth 1.0a for tumblr
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acegiak dang its officially wednesday, i need to sleep. ill try and catch you again soon
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: I'm using fb-anticlickjack
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Jihaisse It works great on feed
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Jihaisse but, in messages, no
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Jihaisse I got some http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FXw0Iq1e_zOk&h=OAQEZpUww
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: huh, interesting — I’ll have a look into it
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barnabywalters thanks for the bug report
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Jihaisse ;) no problem
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: do you want me to add it in the issue on github ?
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: that would be great, please do!
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Jihaisse ok, I'll do it
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Jihaisse my sentence was very ugly...
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barnabywalters if you can add the markup of the link that would be great too
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: not at all :)
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: ok, I'll add this
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: the html markup ?
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: yeah, if you can inspect the markup in-browser and copy the HTML that would be really useful
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barnabywalters don’t worry if not, I’ll test in some other way
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barnabywalters or you could send me a message with a link in — I don’t get many fb messages
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Jihaisse I've add the markup
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barnabywalters excellent, thanks
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Jihaisse I can send you a message too
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: done
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Jihaisse https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost
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barnabywalters my PR which added mf2 to casper (ghost’s default theme) was rejected :(
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barnabywalters https://github.com/TryGhost/Casper/pull/29
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tommorris I saw. That's sad.
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barnabywalters rationale is interesting “watching closely” and “not ready”
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barnabywalters too cutting edge? overprotective of classnames? on the fence about which semantic-data-in-HTML “solution” is going to “win”?
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barnabywalters </cynicism>
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tantek-ipod barnabywalters: Add it to an Issues section on our Ghost page indiewebcamp.com/Ghost
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barnabywalters good call
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tantek-ipod We should track both acceptance and rejection, successes and failures.
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Loqi definitely
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Ghost (+715) "Added issues section w/ rejected PR" (view diff)
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barnabywalters what’s the wikipedia tag/template they use when an article reads too much like an advert?
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tommorris barnabywalters: {{advert}}
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tommorris barnabywalters: http://enwp.org/WP:TC lists all of the main ones
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barnabywalters oh great, thanks
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tantek-ipod barnabywalters: Do we have any pages like that?
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barnabywalters tantek-ipod: the Ghost page reads a little like it in places
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barnabywalters I knew there WP had a little box/term for it but couldn’t remember what it was
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tantek-ipod Odd as I thought I'd created that page.
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tommorris barnabywalters: if you log in and add "Twinkle" to your account, you get all the most frequently used tags in a JavaScript UI
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barnabywalters oooh shiny
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tantek-ipod Check history
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tantek-ipod Ah, ShaneHudson was excited about ghost
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tantek-ipod barnabywalters: How about just moving the Development section to the end and renaming it History with subsections Kickstarter and Switch from WordPress?
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tantek-ipod To the end *of the page
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barnabywalters tantek-ipod: working on it
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tantek-ipod Great
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tantek-ipod Better to fix the page than out a banner on it.
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barnabywalters indeed
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tommorris Yep. Fixing pages is better than "tagging" (to use Wikipedia terminology). But sometimes people take that to the ludicrous extreme of saying you should never tag, you should fix.
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tommorris Like, if I'm reading something I know nothing about but spot an error, I'm supposed to fix that rather than tag it? Fail.
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barnabywalters so tagging is appropriate when either your time is constrained, or you notice a bug you feel others could fix better
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barnabywalters makes sense
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tantek-ipod I can see tagging making sense when it's too much work to fix a page possibly about a subject you have no expertise or interest in.
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tantek-ipod barnabywalters: Perhaps ask ShaneHudson to see if he can help with getting your PR accepted.
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Ghost (+45) "reshuffled page around, made some minor copy edits and added citations" (view diff)
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tantek-ipod I think he know the ghost founders/devs
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tantek-ipod barnabywalters: Perhaps add a subhead for the specific issue Rejected microformats2 markup pull request
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Ghost (+43) "subhead (tantek: done)" (view diff)
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 10/13 at 7:25pm: - I think I found a bug in your checking for in-reply-to links in your webmention consuming code - appears you're only looking for them inside e-content whereas you should be looking just for a p-in-reply inside the h-entry. E.g. http://tantek.com/2013/286/t4/pcloud-indieweb-videos-posted
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 10/13 at 7:26pm: when I curled the webmention manually to your event link (attempting to leave that as a comment), I got: {"error":"no_link_found","error_text":"The source URI does not contain a link to the target URI."}
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 10/13 at 7:55pm: curl command I was using: curl -i -d "source=http://tantek.com/2013/286/t4/pcloud-indieweb-videos-posted&target=http://werd.io/event/52437f31bed7de860cb7d768/personal-clouds-community-gathering-5" http://werd.io/webmention/
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benwerd !tell tantek I saw your IM and IRC messages about my bug - will be checking it today. Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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benwerd Thanks, Loqi
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Loqi who, me?
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benwerd Yes, you. A tiny dinosaur or an Asgardian troublemaker? I'll never know. But thank you for being helpful.
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aaronpk new privacy settings on twitter, you can now allow DMs from anybody http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/10294441876_775ddcca93_o.png
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ShaneHudson Yeah, not impressed with that at all. They should have made it so you can receive replies from anyone that you have already DM'ed
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aaronpk that would make a lot more sense
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barnabywalters ShaneHudson: yeah, that’s also an excellent way of whitelisting comments
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barnabywalters if I’ve mentioned someone in a post, they should automatically be whitelisted to comment without moderation
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barnabywalters some thoughts on that at http://indiewebcamp.com/spam
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Loqi tantek: benwerd left you a message 1 hour, 54 minutes ago: I saw your IM and IRC messages about my bug - will be checking it today. Thanks!
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tantek ShaneHudson: You said you knew or were in touch with the Ghost folks? I think when we were chatting in Brighton.
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tantek.com edited /Ghost (+549) "cleanup History section with some subheadings for the different events, roughly order events by actual historical order as far as can be logically gleaned, add updated criticism section with lack of selfdogfooding" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Ghost (+32) "copy edit summary, clarify criticism founder is running WordPress on his personal domain instead of Ghost" (view diff)
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tantek Thanks benwerd
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tantek will hold off on manual webmentions to werd.io til I hear from you
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benwerd :)
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tantek and in the mean time working on code to send semi-automatic webmentions
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benwerd I'll check it out after work
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tantek is still walking baby steps behind you trailblazers.
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benwerd is sadly having to put all this in the cracks between other stuff, for now
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