#indiewebcamp 2013-10-28

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@bear RT @_crossdiver: I'm moving to the #indieweb: http://ike.io/2013/10/23/the-indieweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/394616329279660032)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk good evening!
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aaronpk tantek: i've been experimenting with marking up flights on my site
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aaronpk running into an issue with h-entry, because it only specifies "location" but there are two locations for a flight! the departure and arrival cities!
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aaronpk not sure if that's enough to warrant a new microformat or not...
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tantek aaronpk - a flight is not really a "post"
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tantek just like an event is not a post
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aaronpk no, but it's kind of an event
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aaronpk right now I have each leg of the flight inside an h-entry
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tantek yes it's an event with a start-location and end-location
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aaronpk is it worth adding "start-location" and "end-location" to h-entry then?
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tantek a flight is not an h-entry though
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tantek or did you mean to h-event?
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aaronpk er, h-event
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tantek maybe. though what you're describing is something conceptually more than an event - it's an instance of travel / transport
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tantek which has an event at the start and an event at the finish
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tantek would apply to anything where you start somewhere and end somewhere else
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tantek e.g. on a run for example
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aaronpk the way I was thinking about it was the whole trip was an h-entry (PDX -> DXB), and it has child h-events inside for each leg (PDX -> AMS, and AMS -> DXB)
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aaronpk each leg has a start and end time and start and end location
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tantek you keep saying h-entry when I don't think you mean h-entry
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aaronpk this time I did mean h-entry
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aaronpk unless an h-event can have child h-events
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tantek an h-entry is just a post of some content
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tantek everything about the h-entry applies to *posting* of that content
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tantek not to stuff inside the content
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tantek e.g. "location" on h-entry is about where you were when you *published* the entry
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tantek same thing about dt-published, dt-updated
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tantek this is the same problem as when we were trying to figure out h-event vs. h-entry
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aaronpk ok. here's an example in my UI http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2835/10528728813_8afc32cd64_o.png
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tantek and we decided on h-event being separate from an h-entry
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aaronpk so maybe this is something else entirely
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tantek right. it might be
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aaronpk h-trip or something
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tantek I'd say start with documenting publishing examples
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tantek I mean - do you mean for it to be specific to flights?
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tantek or would train rides also fit?
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tantek or driving? or biking? or even walking?
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aaronpk my initial use will be for travel, so train rides would also fit
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aaronpk but I suspect very quickly runs and biking, etc would use it
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tantek yeah - and then it starts to get into QS stuff
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aaronpk I already have a bunch of bike rides logged in Strava which I want to publish
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tantek so you likely have a lot of existing pages to examine for publishing examples
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tantek and documenting
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tantek Strava bike rides would make sense I guess too
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aaronpk you have a lot of nike+ runs already
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tantek I do
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tantek though those typically end up at the same place I started
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aaronpk ah interesting
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aaronpk here's a list of rides, and the comment links to a full view of a ride: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/10528575595/
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tantek oh cool
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tantek the other thing is - that's even more data since it has route data
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aaronpk yeah. and technically I have a lot of route data for flights too
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tantek maybe even velocity along that route
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tantek technically you don't *have* route data for flights - but it is somewhat discoverable
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aaronpk yes i do :D
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tantek uh - running your own GPS?
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aaronpk mayyyybe
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aaronpk http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/10468777876/
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk lots of data
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peat aaronpk: ... still recording location data? :)
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aaronpk of course!
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peat aaronpk: how many years, now? :)
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aaronpk a little over 5!
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peat fabulous.
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tantek aaronpk - I myself have been working on iterative improvements in what little posting UI I have
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aaronpk oh, great!
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tantek and some brainstorming too
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tantek I like the idea of having separate "save" and "publish" steps
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tantek (where my "save" is currently the scp step, and the "publish" step is one button push in my current Falcon UI)
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tantek publish is what actually does the PuSH notifications, POSSE to Twitter, and ...
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tantek when I also plan to send webmentions
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aaronpk that makes sense. I combined save/publish for my notes, but it's still separate for my articles, although "save" is really "save draft" because it's not publicly visible until it's published.
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tantek yeah - my "drafts" are publicly visible :)
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tantek I can see combining save/publish once I have a web UI working that supports undo.
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aaronpk so if I start collecting examples of publishing "trips" or whatever, should I put them on the indiewebcamp wiki or on the microformats wiki?
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tantek microformats, however step 1 is to see if anyone has started collecting such examples already!
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aaronpk heh http://microformats.org/wiki/dopplr-syntax
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aaronpk directions is close http://microformats.org/wiki/directions-examples
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tantek wow - forgot about the dopplr txt stuff!
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aaronpk i don't have permission to create new pages
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aaronpk can you make a stub so I can edit it?
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tantek wow I forgot about this: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-06-13-where-2-bof
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aaronpk "...Tim O'Reilly engaged Bill Gates in a discussion about microformats"
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk well crap. I was hoping to be able to get this sorted out and start documenting my upcoming flights.
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aaronpk should I just leave out microformats from the posts and start publishing anyway?
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tantek aaronpk - yes, just publish the human readable content
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tantek use a simple poshformat for them
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tantek but as separate things
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tantek rather than as an extension to entry or event
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aaronpk well right now I just have my css classes to style them visually
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tantek useful to keep those anyway - separate from microformats markup
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tantek at least from experience
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aaronpk definitely
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aaronpk i'm glad i've been doing it that way
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tantek aaronpk - so in my publishing flow, as I've been looking at webmention discovery/sending, I've realized it would be useful to do all the discovery *before* I click "publish"
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tantek even if just doing the HEAD request parts, as that way I have a "link check" function built in before I actually publish my posts.
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aaronpk clever!
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tantek s/function/feature
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Loqi tantek meant to say: even if just doing the HEAD request parts, as that way I have a "link check" feature built in before I actually publish my posts.
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aaronpk also means you can load up your UI with preview stuff
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tantek I do load it up with preview stuff currently
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aaronpk previewing reply contexts and such
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tantek but I'm thinking a list of links too, with head results
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tantek summaries thereof
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tantek so I can quickly see if I have any broken links in my post, *before* I publish
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aaronpk that makes a lot of sense
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tantek could even dynamically load the link checking / discovery results after loading the post-preview
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tantek and then when I click publish, the UI already has all the webmention endpoints it needs from HEAD and skip that step
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tantek I'd even indicate 3xx results with the destinations - as another I may want to fix before publishing
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tantek could also do original-post-discovery and rel-syndication discovery as part of that step too - and convert in-reply-to twitter URLs to original posts, while hanging onto the twitter URLs for POSSE @-reply purposes
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aaronpk yes I think that is a good pattern, do as much up front as possible so the actual "publish" step does as little "magic" as possible
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tantek right
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aaronpk tantek: do you have any of your old hypercard files? now you can run them in the browser! http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/
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aaronpk tantek: ok here are my next two upcoming flights! http://aaronparecki.com/flights
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aaronpk at some point I hope to import my whole history for the last couple years
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aaronpk but I am definitely not doing that much data entry tonight :)
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aaronpk oboy. now I want a permalink for an entire trip. it would contain: flight to the destination, one or more events at the destination, flight back home
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Loqi gives aaronpk a permalink for an entire trip
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aaronpk also could contain articles, notes and photos written during that trip
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aaronpk kind of like storify for my own content
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tantek yeah!
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tantek ok - a bit tired here - calling it a night.
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tantek good night.
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Loqi ciao
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aaronpk night!
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aaronpk hrm... I need a plural noun to refer to: flights, train rides, bus rides, cab rides, etc
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aaronpk transit / transportation
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aaronpk and I can't use "trips" because I'm going to use that for something else
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aaronpk maybe I don't need it to be a noun... maybe "travel" is ok
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/travel
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bret aaronpk: what about routes? travel is good too
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Jihaisse Hello
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pfefferle hello
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pdurbin aaronpk: .plan ;)
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aaronpk pdurbin: lol
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pdurbin ;)
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Loqi cweiske: tantek left you a message on 10/25 at 3:15pm: I'm seeing a 504 at http://cweiske.de/ - hope you get that sorted out soon!
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tantek cweiske - works now
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cweiske tantek, I didn't see anything in munin that explains the error
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tantek it was a short error - didn't see anything that gave any clues.
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tantek did you check your server logs?
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cweiske no
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cweiske nothing in the logs
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cweiske no 504 mentioned
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cweiske btw, I saw you are thinking about moving stapibas to a different section - my plan for stapibas is actually to make it understand all the microformats and deliver a threaded comments view html for blog posts. you can then decide if you want to load it via javascript (disqus-like) or embed it statically
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Loqi UNDERSTAND ALL THE MICROFORMATS http://loqi.me/89d
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tantek cweiske - cool! that sounds quite handy.
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cweiske you could use it for your statically hosted blog then
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tantek and yes there are different sections for primary content hosting/managing projects, and "helper" projects that assume you already have something else for your primary content.
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tantek cweiske - a lot of folks are going with statically hosted blogs these days, e.g. using Jekyll
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tantek I think bret's in particular is very static / minimal and uses github pages.
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cweiske mine is also static
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cweiske I write html which gets postprocessed to add the navigation
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cweiske via a git post-commit hook
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tantek do you have a name for your static hosting system?
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cweiske no
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cweiske calling it a system would be overrating it
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cweiske some 630 lines of php
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tantek small systems are good :)
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tantek is any of it open source?
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cweiske no
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neuro` Hello.
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tantek consider naming it and making even just a bit of it open source
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barnabywalters bnvk: nice work making reply contexts on your site!
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tantek URL?
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barnabywalters protip: use h-cite for reply contexts to avoid this happening: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4SmFdo/
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barnabywalters https://brennannovak.com/notes/338
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bnvk barnabywalters: thanks, i've started dablin and adding lil bit here and there :)
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bnvk interesting how the "title" of my original reply context is doubled on your site
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bnvk ooh, also it's linking back to a users "profile" page which doesn't actually exists
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barnabywalters you’re marking it up as p-name p-summary p-content
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barnabywalters so Taproot thinks it’s all of those things :)
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bnvk ah, gotcha
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bnvk must refine!
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barnabywalters but you should start by marking up the actual note as a h-entry — currently the reply context is a p-in-reply-to of nothing :)
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tantek bnvk: this is what parsers see from your post: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://brennannovak.com/notes/338
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barnabywalters this would be a good place to start building h-entry debugging/validation into indiewebify.me
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tantek barnabywalters - yeah I noticed that too the "p-in-reply-to" is not inside any "h-"
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bnvk noted!
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barnabywalters excellent stuff though — is it automatically generated?
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tantek is what automatic?
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barnabywalters the reply context — i.e. do you just give your posting UI a URL and it fetches the rest by itself
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aaronpk tantek: I wonder if I were to include some JSON data in a <script class="p-track"> element, could that be a way to embed GPS data from flights/runs/etc in a post?
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tantek why not display the data visibly like part of a chart or something?
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aaronpk it would be visible as a map
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aaronpk but that requires JS to render it
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aaronpk i'm not going to show a giant table of raw lat/lng data, that would be completely useless to viewers
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I’ve published some routes with GPS data as geoJSON
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aaronpk barnabywalters: links?
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barnabywalters the issue I’ve come across is that the geoJSON is huge
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barnabywalters e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RANSj/
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aaronpk oh wow in an attribute?
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barnabywalters here’s another one: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4R5LwB/
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tantek ozten - is innercircle what you run on your personal site?
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barnabywalters yeah, quick dirty hack
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ozten tantek: yes, one of the things
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tantek is it what you use for your primary blog/posts?
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aaronpk also you lose all the other attributes about each point like the timestamp by rendering it as a linestring
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ozten is guilty of too many tools
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ozten tantek: I use Wordpress for public blog posts
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barnabywalters aaronpk: indeed, altitude too — it’s suboptimal
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ozten which is Persona enabled, but not webmention, etc enabled
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tantek barnabywalters - seems like a reasonable use of data-* attributes
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aaronpk tantek: what's a reasonable max length for a data attribute?
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barnabywalters tantek: semantically I suppose, they’re just so long it bloats the HTML and takes a little while to parse
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tantek don't know - would have to check the HTML5 spec to see if there's any limitation
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barnabywalters just rendering it as an image, or saving the SVG somehow would be way more efficient
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tantek I doubt the SVG would be more efficient than the JSON
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barnabywalters tantek: Leaflet is parsing the JSON then rendering it as SVG, so just saving the SVG cuts out those steps
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barnabywalters but it might be tricky to save the SVG and then composite it over the map tiles
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aaronpk tantek: I end up with 200kb-500kb geojson easily. probably more like 1.5 megs for a flight.
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barnabywalters probably easier to just cut down on the number of points
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tantek aaronpk - I suppose its the same problem as embedding a very high resolution image
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tantek s/its/it's
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk - I suppose it's the same problem as embedding a very high resolution image
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barnabywalters I wrote a little python script to take the moving average of geoJSON routes, should be simple to port to PHP
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aaronpk i feel like a data attribute is not a good place for 1.5 megs of data :/
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barnabywalters also, cutting down on the number of decimal points in the lat/longs will cut down on bytes
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tantek so same solution likely applies, render something lower resolution, and allow clicking through to see the higher resolution version
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aaronpk that seems reasonable. I also don't want to serve 1.5 megs every page request to my flight permalinks
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tantek right - the same bandwidth/presentation problems apply regardless of the media type (images or geo data etc.)
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aaronpk in that case I can save the geojson as a file on disk like I do images for posts
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barnabywalters aaronpk: flights can probably be simplified down to very few points, unless the pilot’s drunk
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barnabywalters unl
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aaronpk barnabywalters: but but data!
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barnabywalters in which case you have bigger problems
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barnabywalters aaronpk: well, save the big copy elsewhere :)
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aaronpk I wonder if there's already a thing that can simplify a GPS track down to some limited number of points
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aaronpk I wonder if there is some company that specializes in this sort of thing I could ask.... hmmMMMMmmmm
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tantek if you really want to show a more precise route - you could pre-render into a static image on the server
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tantek and then allow click through of that to a higher-resolution vector based dispaly
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aaronpk yeah, but similar problems rendering 1.5megs into a static image :) I'd need a simplified version
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tantek but you'd only have to do that rendering once and save it
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tantek and then server that static image to your main posts pages etc.
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aaronpk yeah, in any case it would be useful to have a static image version of the route, for inline embeds on facebook/twitter/other sites
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bret aaronpk: like this? http://bradfrostweb.com/blog/post/adaptive-maps/
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aaronpk no, more like http://www.topofusion.com/spline.php and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4480434/simplification-optimization-of-gps-track and http://neonstorm242.blogspot.com/2010/12/douglaspeucker-line-simplification.html
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aaronpk and http://dreadedmonkeygod.net/home/archive/2696
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aaronpk I may need to implement this algorithm
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aaronpk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramer%E2%80%93Douglas%E2%80%93Peucker_algorithm
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aaronpk oh look http://www.bdcc.co.uk/Gmaps/GDouglasPeuker.js
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barnabywalters oh wow, someone implemented it in XSLT http://idea.ed.ac.uk/data/kmz/
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aaronpk good lord
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aaronpk oh cool, an interactive one http://karthaus.nl/rdp/
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barnabywalters wonders if anyone’s built pacman in XSLT
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aaronpk wow this one is much shorter http://karthaus.nl/rdp/js/rdp.js
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aaronpk I bet I could rewrite that in PHP really quick
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@mxuribe @jbckmn That personal api concept is awesome! Wondering if microformats is not overkill? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#simple_microformats_2_examples See also @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/394876735428120576)
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tantek simplifications welcome :)
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snarfed hey brnvk, just to check, you're not accepting webmentions and/or rendering replies on brennannovak.com, right?
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snarfed just wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem on my end
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snarfed my reply attempt is http://snarfed.org/replies/google-midday-upgrades . others to other sites are working ok
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barnabywalters snarfed: that page gets parsed very strangely for mf2: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://snarfed.org/replies/google-midday-upgrades
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barnabywalters moving classic mf and mf2 classnames to the same element should fix it
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snarfed yup! it's wordpress with the uf2 plugin, so the markup is far from ideal, and not always easy to change
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aaronpk wordpress--
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Loqi wordpress has -1 karma
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snarfed but it's worked against few other sites, with different mf2 parsers
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barnabywalters we noticed this bug on a few sites recently, I think pfefferle updated the plugin to fix it
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snarfed yup, wordpress—, understood, but it's what i'm going with right now
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snarfed (the ecosystem outweighs the complexity for me)
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aaronpk luckily a lot of other people are also using wordpress, so youv'e got some help with the plugins!
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barnabywalters snarfed: it’s because php-mf2 parses classic microformats by default now, which is throwing various interesting problems to light
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aaronpk oh wow, really good JS implementation with links to ports in a bunch of other languages! https://github.com/mourner/simplify-js
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snarfed looks like pfefferle does more work on SemPress than the uf2 plugin. many of the recent uf2 changes are actually from me
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barnabywalters documented some here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#mixture_of_microformats2_and_classic_microformats_classnames_on_different_elements
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snarfed barnabywalters, thanks. i'll look into cleaning it up
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barnabywalters snarfed: cool — and nice work getting replies working!
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snarfed do people have a preference btw mf2 and uf2 as the abbreviation?
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mikeal brianloveswords: i want to announce JSFest IndieWebCamp today, with the details still TBA
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snarfed (i can take followup to #microformats if needed)
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mikeal so, it won't not venue or dates, just have a "register to be notified" when they are decided
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barnabywalters snarfed: I use mf2 unless I’m in unicode hipster mode, in which case µf2
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snarfed ok
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@jlsuttles I am going to the very first Indie Web Camp in Hollywood, CA! Own your data. November 3-4. You should too <3 http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood (twitter.com/_/status/394880792758722560)
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@jlsuttles I am going to the very first Indie Web Camp in Hollywood, CA! You should too! Own your data. November 3-4. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood (twitter.com/_/status/394880944126951424)
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aaronpk barnabywalters++
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aaronpk lol
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Loqi barnabywalters has 17 karma
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barnabywalters jschweinsberg: your reply contexts have loads of data in! you should consider marking them up using p-in-reply-to h-cite as documented here http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Markup
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jschweinsberg barnabywalters: I have added the "p-in-reply-to" class to the h-cite. :)
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tantek aaronpk, does Loqi save logs from every channel he is in?
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aaronpk tantek: yes he does, i just don't have them all exposed as web pages
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tantek those should be lowercase right?
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barnabywalters they should indeed
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tantek not proper nouns right?
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aaronpk saves a step to create them capitalized then move to the lowercase :)
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tantek but /tags already exists
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tantek ahem, barnabywalters
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barnabywalters oh wow, I missed that
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barnabywalters thanks tantek
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tantek right - why did you look for capitalized "Tags" first?
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barnabywalters I made a [[Tags]] link and clicked it
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tantek why a [[Tags]] link instead of a [[tags]] link?
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Tags (-295) "made redirect" (view diff)
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barnabywalters consistency: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Footer_sections
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waterpigs.co.uk created /navigation (+374) "moved from Navigation" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Navigation (-350) "made redirect" (view diff)
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aaronpk well there goes the step saved ;)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: there's a 'move page' button
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aaronpk creates the redirect for you
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barnabywalters MAGIC
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tantek barnabywalters, no one has an explicit "Tags" section I've seen. Closest is your posts with "Tagged with"
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tantek barnabywalters - the only reason those list item headings were capitalized is that they were taken from actual publishing practices
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barnabywalters tantek: http://notizblog.org/2013/08/15/open-app-net/
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barnabywalters Tags: activitystreams, Microformats, Open Web, pubsubhubbub
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tantek also - it's not good a11y practice to have a bunch of links all named the same thing like "example"
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tantek in that case, better to just have Example: [http://...][http://...][http://...] etc. and let MW turn those into [1][2][3] links
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tantek also shorter
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barnabywalters indeed
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tantek thanks for starting the navigation page - a bit surprised we didn't have that already
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /posts (+28) "/* Footer sections */ added/improved examples" (view diff)
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tantek (since we did already have it indiemark explicitly!)
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barnabywalters tantek: me too, considering it’s on indiemark
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barnabywalters jinx
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barnabywalters switching locations
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+43) "link up navigation and tags a bit" (view diff)
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@t Updated: How To Export Your Data From Dopplr http://tantek.com/2013/294/b1/export-your-data-from-dopplr @dopplr shutdown in 4 days. #ownyourdata #indieweb (ttk.me t4Sm1) (twitter.com/_/status/394909671943073792)
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@fdevillamil RT @t: Updated: How To Export Your Data From Dopplr http://tantek.com/2013/294/b1/export-your-data-from-dopplr @dopplr shutdown in 4 days. #ownyourdata #indieweb (ttk.me t4Sm1) (twitter.com/_/status/394909885378613248)
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@webjay RT @t: Updated: How To Export Your Data From Dopplr http://tantek.com/2013/294/b1/export-your-data-from-dopplr @dopplr shutdown in 4 days. #ownyourdata #indieweb (ttk.me t4Sm1) (twitter.com/_/status/394910142124527617)
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tantek aaronpk - in looking at the logs, minor microformat bug
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tantek this: <a href="https://twitter.com/t" class="author p-author h-card p-url">@<span class="p-name p-nickname">t</span></a>
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tantek should just be:
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tantek <a href="https://twitter.com/t" class="author p-author h-card">@<span class="p-name p-nickname">t</span></a>
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tantek without the p-url
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aaronpk url is implied?
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tantek well - it's not clear what you're even trying to do with that p-url property. which object is it intending to add a URL for?
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@pxlape RT @t: Updated: How To Export Your Data From Dopplr http://tantek.com/2013/294/b1/export-your-data-from-dopplr @dopplr shutdown in 4 days. #ownyourdata #indieweb (ttk.me t4Sm1) (twitter.com/_/status/394912512518684672)
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aaronpk oh I see...
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aaronpk it's supposed to be the url of the author
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tantek so that doesn't work to put a property class name on the same element as the root class name it's supposed to apply to
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tantek properties on a class attribute always apply to the microformat in the parent (or next ancestor up that has a microformat root class name)
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tantek when you put a property class name and root class name on the same class attribute, it adds that root class as an embedded object of that property class, e.g. p-author h-card
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tantek (note that the class attribute is a set, and order doesn't matter)
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aaronpk yeah, I see, not sure how I missed that
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caseorganic.com edited /2013/Hollywood (-408) "/* Sunday ONLY RSVP */ Removed self from RSVP page - will not be attending" (view diff)
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tantek :(
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caseorga_ Also if anyone needs a FarmHouseConf ticket they can go in my place.
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@aslakr RT @t: Updated: How To Export Your Data From Dopplr http://tantek.com/2013/294/b1/export-your-data-from-dopplr @dopplr shutdown in 4 days. #ownyourdata #indieweb (ttk.me t4Sm1) (twitter.com/_/status/394917600733720576)
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@mhmli RT @t: Updated: How To Export Your Data From Dopplr http://tantek.com/2013/294/b1/export-your-data-from-dopplr @dopplr shutdown in 4 days. #ownyourdata #indieweb (ttk.me t4Sm1) (twitter.com/_/status/394920107396583425)
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mikeal caseorga_: i'm interested
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caseorga_ mikeal: great!
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mikeal is the address somewhere? i'm trying to plan out travel to see the costs
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tantek mikeal - right there on the page: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood
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mikeal thanks :)
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bret.io edited /2013/Hollywood (+0) "I can't make it this year :(" (view diff)
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bret Ill do remote though!
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caseorga_ mikeal: great - do you want to paypal me the ticket price? i can get you switched over for the ticket. if it's too late you can take my badge, cross it out and write your name on it
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@yatil RT @t: Updated: How To Export Your Data From Dopplr http://tantek.com/2013/294/b1/export-your-data-from-dopplr @dopplr shutdown in 4 days. #ownyourdata #indieweb (ttk.me t4Sm1) (twitter.com/_/status/394944580875210755)
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barnabywalters I niceified the h-card validator on indiewebify.me, better styling+property listing+prompts to add missing info: http://indiewebify.waterpigs.co.uk/validate-h-card/?url=waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters cc bnvk
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JonathanNeal Indie Web Camp in SoCal?
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JonathanNeal Awesome.
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JonathanNeal Not too far from Canter's Deli either.
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mikeal caseorga_: I'm still figuring out the cost and logistics, i won't know if i can make it till tomorrow
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caseorga_ mikeal: no problem! just leave me a !tell in here when you figure it out
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mikeal cool
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tantek JonathanNeal you should totally sign-up and come by! http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood
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JonathanNeal If I can get someone to help run the tour, sure. http://otpa.org/tour
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shaners Another site death: attachments.me http://blog.attachments.me/attachments-me-is-shutting-down/
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