#indiewebcamp 2013-12-15

2013-12-15 UTC
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@jsuttor .@davewiner re mysilo(dot)com, see @t's http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience and #indieweb for ideas (twitter.com/_/status/412052155332194304)
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@ShaneHudson RT @jsuttor: .@davewiner re mysilo(dot)com, see @t's http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience and #indieweb for ideas (twitter.com/_/status/412062067294625792)
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@BarnabyWalters Checked in to C is for Cookie, Reykjavik — working on my #indieweb checkin/note location UI, check i… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4T_GAu/ (twitter.com/_/status/412253446373638145)
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snarfed morning indiewebcamp!
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snarfed coffee in hand, purring cat in my lap, hacking likes and reposts into brid.gy…shaping up to be a good morning
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snarfed aaronpk: hmm, looks like indiewebcamp.com is down?
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 12/13 at 10:29am: always fun when someone I know discovers one of my random domains.
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barnabywalters aaronpk: Indiewebcamp.com is down once more :(
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snarfed yeah, i pinged him too :/
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message on 12/14 at 10:20am: you will probably be happy to know I finally now accept webmentions of my short URLs https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/27
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message on 12/14 at 2:26pm: hey, i'm thinking about p-like and p-repost as possible experimental properties on h-entry, as embedded likes/reposts of the parent h-entry. parallels the existing experimental p-comment property. thoughts? if so, mind giving User:Snarfed edit privileges on the mf wiki? thanks!
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tantek aaronpk - great!
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tantek tried a curl webmention to it (of that one post I linked to a short domain) and got a 202
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tantek it was this post of yours: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/03/28/1/shortlink-design-for-syndicating-to-twitter
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tantek but you're not showing comments on articles yet right? perhaps you can check to see if my webmention got processed ok for that article?
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tantek snarfed - you should already have edit permissions for the microformats wiki - it may just be a specific page that's been locked down a bit. which page were you trying to edit?
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snarfed either microformats2 or h-entry
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snarfed i'll look
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snarfed iirc it said i didn't have edit privs because i didn't have create privs, which sounded odd, but meh
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snarfed ah, yeah. h-entry has been locked
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snarfed not urgent
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tantek try now. btw - feel free to lurk in #microformats as well - wiki edits go there too
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tantek (for the microformats wiki naturally)
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snarfed aha, looking editable, thanks!
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snarfed will do
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snarfed and indiewebcamp.com is back up, yay
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tantek not sure about p-like and p-repost though
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tantek as using to point to things which themselves are likes and reposts is the inverse of how Sandeep is using u-like and u-repost
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tantek and technically the prefix is just a parsing directive
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tantek there is only one "like" property and one "repost" property
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tantek (the prefix p- or u-)
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tantek sandeep is using u-like to point to the URL that is being liked
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tantek similarly with u-repost - to point to a URL that is being reposted
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tantek I'd say for embedded "embedded likes/reposts of the parent h-entry" just keep using the existing p-comment property
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tantek because they are comments of a sort
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snarfed oh sure, i'm using that too
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tantek otherwise it parses as if *your* blog post is a like of the likes
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tantek make sense?
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snarfed i see
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snarfed so an embedded p-comment with a u-like would be interpreted as a like instead of a comment?
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tantek there's no parsing nor semantic difference between say <span class=u-like>http://...</span> and <span class=p-like>http://...</span>
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tantek no it would be interpreted as a like of the thing you're linking to
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snarfed my use case was being able to connect an h-card with the u-like
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snarfed to represent the liker
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snarfed but if i just reuse embedded p-comments, that works
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tantek sandeep is using u-like and u-repost to link to the thing being liked or the thing being reposted
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tantek whereas your use is the opposite
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snarfed yes, i get that
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snarfed yes
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snarfed i need both cases, whereas he only needs the one
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tantek well it sounds more like you're trying to indicate the *type* of the post rather than a relationship
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tantek the type of the nested p-comment h-entry
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snarfed yup, that was the idea
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tantek the "object-type" of the nested h-entry in AS terms
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tantek so for indicating object types, a few of us have been using h-as-* on the same element as the h-entry
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tantek e.g. class="h-entry h-as-note"
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snarfed right
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tantek or class="h-entry h-as-article"
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tantek so another approach could be to just keep extending that
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tantek class="h-entry h-as-like"
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snarfed ah, ok
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tantek which you can use *both* on likes that you post, and on likes that you embed as comments
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snarfed sure, sounds good
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tantek in the only thing is that it neither case does it indicate what you are liking
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tantek what the h-entry is a like of
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snarfed right now i'm using an embedded u-like for that
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snarfed just like comments have embedded u-in-reply-to
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tantek to link back to your original post?
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tantek perhaps we should have used u-like-of
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tantek and u-repost-of
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tantek to indicate that relationship like u-in-reply-to
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tantek rather than u-reply
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tantek which better communicates the relationship to the URL that is being linked to
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snarfed example: https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/blob/master/testdata/article_with_likes.mf2.json
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snarfed (still working on the html)
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snarfed maybe!
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tantek perhaps we can convince sandeep to switch to u-like-of and u-repost-of
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snarfed yeah, this is definitely making sense to me
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snarfed it seems like there are so few uses of u-like and u-repost in the wild that migrating wouldn't be hard
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tantek right
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snarfed idno, sandeep, barry frost…and then i start running out fast
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tantek yeah - and for all of them it's maybe one or two lines of code
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tantek.com edited /like (+699) "/* Experimental Markup */ counterproposal u-like-of" (view diff)
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snarfed thanks!
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tantek.com edited /repost (+713) "counterproposal u-repost-of" (view diff)
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tantek ok snarfed - at least we captured it
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tantek I'd say since there are so few implementations, feel free to implement the counterproposal, and then we can have a discussion about both methods
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Counterproposal
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Counterproposal+
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Counterproposal
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snarfed agreed!
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snarfed brid.gy should hopefully be sending them in a day or two
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tantek nice!
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@terrellrussell Yes, @aniol the future is POSSE -- http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #claimID (twitter.com/_/status/412283619747831809)
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@aniol RT @terrellrussell: Yes, @aniol the future is POSSE -- http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #claimID (twitter.com/_/status/412284130488233984)
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tantek 10 year anniversary of the launch of XFN: http://tantek.com/log/2003/12.html#L20031215 - some links in there on blog markup thoughts from over a decade ago too (for the markup historians out there)
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message on 12/12 at 6:12pm: that TRON-like intro on the youtube of your talk is hilarious. And your talk is AWESOME! Well done.
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Loqi KevinMarks: bret left you a message on 12/12 at 8:08pm: enjoying your talk :)
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KevinMarks thanks Bret
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KevinMarks !tell tantek - that was the intro branding for all of Le Web this year - nicely over the top producttion
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ShaneHudson !tell tantek - almost got lost in the archives of your site! So many hidden gems that I missed or forgot about! :)
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bnvk snarfed: good mornin :)
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bnvk Why on god's earth does Google+ STILL not have a status update write API?
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snarfed morning!
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snarfed answer #1: it does, it's called the Moments API
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bnvk aw, nice
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snarfed answer #2: it doesn't, because they're deathly afraid of spam, where spam is broadly defined as anything that degrades the timeline experience
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snarfed (moments API works but is a slightly second class citizen)
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snarfed answer #3: it does, and it's closed to "partners." whee!
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bnvk Ah, I see! Thanks.
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snarfed details: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google+
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bnvk Lol. Were you on the + team?
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snarfed no, but i have friends there
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bnvk Gotcha.
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KevinMarks moments API used to be the history API
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KevinMarks iirc moments API is effective archival - like the phot sync form android. You then need to manually decide whom to share it with
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KevinMarks there is a share on G+ button, so there is a JS API, but it's obfuscated
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snarfed i thought users could do that (share moments) per type though, as opposed to per post?
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snarfed ie so that it applied going forward
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snarfed (i've never used it personally)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Nominatim (+982) "added Nominatim -> microformats2 h-adr algorithm" (view diff)
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snarfed so…it looks facebook likes don't have permalinks. nor do instagram likes, twitter favorites, or g+ +1s
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snarfed does anyone know different?
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I think that is true. AFAIK, all these actions are not considered separate 'posts' but as actions on the parent post
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snarfed thanks KartikPrabhu
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@vijinh0 Stumbled across a thought-provoking article on independent digital identity and authentication http://aralbalkan.com/notes/on-evolving-indieauth/ via @iaincollins (twitter.com/_/status/412365362005426176)
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@iaincollins @vijinh0 I think @aral is really on to something with IndieAuth but I can't quite think how it should work. Like trying to remember a dream. (twitter.com/_/status/412366022536990720)
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