#indiewebcamp 2013-12-14

2013-12-14 UTC
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julian` is it a good idea to have a separate version of a site for mobile devices etc with media queries
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julian` or is that not good practice
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_doge hi
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_doge cryptocoins are awesome, they get people running non-app-store software on their own computer :)
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@BDPA RT @t: Wonderful @KevinMarks talk @LeWeb: "The Web We Found" http://www.youtube.com/ Slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html #indieweb (ttk.me t4TX2) (twitter.com/_/status/411865119610519553)
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Loqi [@benwerd] "The decentralized web"
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Loqi a meme that's spreading fast. Pleased about that. http://www.freepress.net/blog/2013/12/11/decentralized-web #indieweb (http://twtr.io/fsEhN4yWKj)
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@carcoco9999 RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411884843459702784)
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Loqi [@nchenga] “@benwerd: "The decentralized web"
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Loqi a meme that's spreading fast. Pleased about that. http://www.freepress.net/blog/2013/12/11/decentralized-web #indieweb” (http://twtr.io/fsFXX0ZJnU)
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@imouthes RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411887969612865536)
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Loqi [mention] http://emergenceweb.com/blog/2013/12/leweb13-ou-en-sera-le-web-dans-10-ans-enfin-vous-allez-savoir/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/own-your-data (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://emergenceweb.com/blog/2013/12/leweb13-ou-en-sera-le-web-dans-10-ans-enfin-vous-allez-savoir/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/DRY (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://emergenceweb.com/blog/2013/12/leweb13-ou-en-sera-le-web-dans-10-ans-enfin-vous-allez-savoir/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://emergenceweb.com/blog/2013/12/leweb13-ou-en-sera-le-web-dans-10-ans-enfin-vous-allez-savoir/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/dogfood (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://emergenceweb.com/blog/2013/12/leweb13-ou-en-sera-le-web-dans-10-ans-enfin-vous-allez-savoir/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/design (pingback)
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aaronpk snarfed: ok I just fixed accepting webmentions to my short URLs, so I think I can try bridgy again!
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/27
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snarfed woot!
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk i'm a little scared to turn it on since I still have a few other glitches I need to handle with webmention processing
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snarfed heh, i know how you feel
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aaronpk like I'm pretty sure i'm gonna get double comments from people like barnaby and benwerd, both their own comment and the twitter posse version
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snarfed the agony and ecstasy of launching something that already has lots of prod traffic
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snarfed yeah, i remember that discussion
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snarfed eh, ship it and see what the actual problems are
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aaronpk heh yep
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aaronpk I can't wait to get instagram working too
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snarfed you'll be happy to know i'm working on likes/favorites right now
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aaronpk oh sweet
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aaronpk that means I need to step that up on my list
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snarfed heh
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snarfed yeah there's not enough prior art for those, so i'll be glad to see more
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aaronpk oh I don't even have an issue for that yet
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Loqi [mention] http://www.brid.gy/comment/twitter/aaronpk/409123216083271680/409135640014360578 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.brid.gy/comment/twitter/aaronpk/409123216083271680/409123669294972928 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (webmention)
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snarfed hah
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aaronpk !
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aaronpk ok this one's weird http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/12/12/3/
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aaronpk how did my own twitter reply end up there?
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snarfed it walks the reply chain
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snarfed for twitter specifically
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aaronpk oh? interesting
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aaronpk I don't think that's technically correct
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snarfed true, but in practice imho it's what you want
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aaronpk although this page does actually link to my first reply, heh https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/411318907790573568
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@aaronpk @Monica_Drake That's crazy! Hope you made it off the bridge ok! I managed to escape thx to a maneuverable car2go! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/12/12/4/)
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snarfed the twitter reply chain is a conversation about the original tweet just like the list of comment on another site
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snarfed but still, yeah, it was a judgment call
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aaronpk hm interesting
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aaronpk I was going with the assumption that my rendering of a conversation is not good enough yet
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aaronpk so I only show direct replies to posts in the section below my posts
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snarfed right
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aaronpk and that at some point I would improve that
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snarfed you could technically do it by having webmentions fan out
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snarfed ie if you get a wm for a reply of your own, you send a matching one to the post you replied to
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aaronpk kind of yeah
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aaronpk but don't think of a webmention as a special kind of message
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aaronpk what youv'e done with this is exactly how I would have expected it to work: https://www.brid.gy/comment/twitter/aaronpk/411316207187275776/411318907790573568
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snarfed glad to hear it!
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snarfed it is interesting to think about the two models. reply to replies vs all reply to the post. this works for now though
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aaronpk notice you didn't need to tell me to change my webmention processing for my own reply to show up
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snarfed hmm yeah
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snarfed on an unrelated note, this also shows that i should replace t.co links with the actual urls, since twitter provides them
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snarfed taking a note
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aaronpk couldn't hurt to at least find what the t.co version links to, hard-coded for twitter
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aaronpk rather than resolving all redirects on all URLs
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snarfed fortunately twitter gives you the original url
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snarfed in their API response
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk even easier
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aaronpk hm so now my timestamp is linking to the brid.gy URL, rather than the URL brid.gy says is canonical
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snarfed yeah i figured that would trip up some code
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aaronpk I remember implementing that and wondering whcih URL I should link to
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snarfed since in almost all of our own cases, the fetched url is the same as the internal u-url
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aaronpk a) the actual source URL from the webmention request, or b) the URL that the parsed h-entry refers to
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snarfed yup, proxies like this are one argument for using the actual data rather than the metadata source url
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snarfed there may be counterarguments, but meh
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aaronpk I think I actually started by using the URL from the h-entry, but that was causing problems when it couldn't find peopels' URLs or something
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aaronpk I should proabbly switch back to that and fix up error handling
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snarfed ah right. so you want fallback
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Loqi I agree
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snarfed loqi you so crazy
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aaronpk wow it's so crazy to see twitter replies on my site
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aaronpk hah there is a whole code block commented out for this
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snarfed oh man, you predicted it
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snarfed yeah, it's an interesting feeling. we've had such a small, curated community, everything has been so pristine and controlled
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snarfed and this opens the floodgates
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aaronpk hah true
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aaronpk I think it's already prompted people to go improve handling of things, given that most people disabled bridgy immediately after receiving a few mentions
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snarfed i did notice that
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snarfed hopefully they come back!
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aaronpk i'm sure they will! this is a good impetus to improve things!
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snarfed glad to hear it!
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aaronpk finally un-shortened twitter profile URLs on my reply contexts e.g. http://aaron.pk/r4Sx1
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aaronpk no more t.co on my site I hope
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snarfed ah good for you
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snarfed beat me to it
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aaronpk lol just found this gem from bret http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-07-03/line/1372835081
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aaronpk *whew* managed to finally find one of sandeep's "like" posts of an article of mine
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aaronpk http://www.sandeep.io/34
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aaronpk !tell tantek you will probably be happy to know I finally now accept webmentions of my short URLs https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/27
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snarfed ah, thanks for the like example
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snarfed i've been collecting others and notes in the bridgy readme
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy
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aaronpk oh great
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aaronpk also feel free to add to here as well http://indiewebcamp.com/like
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aaronpk is sandeep.io the only one sending actual u-likes right now?
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snarfed true, that's the permanent one
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snarfed um…
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snarfed i think ben might author thm
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snarfed but not sure about sending webmentions
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snarfed barry frost claims to accept them: http://barryfrost.com/how-to-comment
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aaronpk ah wow
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aaronpk that's a really good page too
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snarfed k, i'm off for now. thanks for signing up, glad you're on board!
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aaronpk totally! me not accepting webmentions for short uRLs was the only thing stopping me!
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aaronpk will be fun to see how this goes
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snarfed definitely!
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aaronpk heh I need another term for bridge since you already called yours brid.gy
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aaronparecki.com edited /micropub (+530) "/* Response */ add note about returning short URLs when creating posts" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /micropub (+31) "/* Create */ this isn't markdown" (view diff)
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@xusy2k RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411973166370918400)
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snarfed !tell tantek hey, i'm thinking about p-like and p-repost as possible experimental properties on h-entry, as embedded likes/reposts of the parent h-entry. parallels the existing experimental p-comment property. thoughts? if so, mind giving User:Snarfed edit privileges on the mf wiki? thanks!
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