#indiewebcamp 2013-12-13

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@kwerb RT @kevinmarks: my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411284595116875776)
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@rrichard09 cc @anildash MT @kevinmarks my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411284793226043392)
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@indie69 RT @kevinmarks: my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411286650665582592)
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KevinMarks why is Loqi stripping the youtube URL?
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk i'm not sure
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aaronpk he un-shortens URLs, so google must be redirecting to youtube.com somehow
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KevinMarks I used the query param form, maybe it's got bad parsing in the loop somewhere
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Loqi tantek: KevinMarks left you a message 21 minutes ago: the talk is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve48PjgDAn0
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aaronpk KevinMarks: I've seen it happen with other google.com URLs too. I haven't tried following the whole path enough to track it down
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@dennisy RT @kevinmarks: my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411313823896051712)
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tantek KevinMarks - that TRON-like intro is hilarious
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tantek love that the slides are clearly in a browser and I can just barely make up kevinmarks.com in the domain :)
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tantek is watching the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve48PjgDAn0
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tantek oh wow Twitter broke blocking people: https://support.twitter.com/articles/117063-blocking-users-on-twitter
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tantek http://hypatia.ca/2013/12/12/changes-to-twitters-block-behavior-and-a-workaround/
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tantek !tell KevinMarks that TRON-like intro on the youtube of your talk is hilarious. And your talk is AWESOME! Well done.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek also re: Twitter blocking being broken: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/12/12/blocking-people-on-twitter-now-just-mutes-them/
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aaronpk interestingly, blocking is not really a concept with public indieweb sites
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tantek aaronpk - not yet, just like spam isn't
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tantek with any hope, we'll get there ;)
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aaronpk heh
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tantek aaronpk - Flickr has the best "block" design from a user perspective
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tantek they've had this right for YEARS
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aaronpk i've never used it, interesting
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tantek.com created /User:Kevinmarks.com (+74) "stub with an h-card ;)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+222) "/* 2013 */ add Kevin Marks Le Web talk: The Web We Found" (view diff)
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tantek and the TRON-like outro as well! goodness
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tantek (on the Youtube of Kevinmarks's talk)
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aaronpk oh yeah the LeWeb video intros/outros are always fun
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tantek seriously - it's like a direct TRON 1982 ripoff
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aaronpk last year was neat too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G0RuobWoDU
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tantek just need to get the video part and drop in a different soundtrack
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tantek aaronpk - that's more minority report / Lawnmower man
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tantek hilarious
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@t Wonderful @KevinMarks talk @LeWeb: "The Web We Found" http://www.youtube.com/ Slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html #indieweb (ttk.me t4TX2) (twitter.com/_/status/411323050362429440)
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tantek wow they've really hidden it in their new web ui
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tantek ah, found it - they even give you a URL to your block list: http://www.flickr.com/people/tantek/contacts/ignore/
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tantek I wonder if that is public LOL
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aaronpk nope :(
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tantek oh no it's not. you have to replace "/tantek/" with "/yourusername/"
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tantek to see your block list
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aaronpk huh i'm blocking 4 people apparently
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aaronpk look like spammrs
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tantek exactly
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tantek lots of notes here on blocking and other social site design inspirations: http://tantek.com/w/MyNextStartup#socialcontentwebsitedesign
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tantek including this gem: http://www.flickr.com/photos/leahculver/2247621551/
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@danielabarbosa RT @kevinmarks: my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411331193548705794)
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tantek alright folks, who knows about "Google Now"? all based on Google proprietary things: http://www.google.com/landing/now/#cards
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tantek time to figure out how to build this on open indieweb posts / formats
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tantek I think for most of these "cards" we already have microformats
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tantek but it would be useful to make a list
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tantek and see where the gaps are
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tantek aaronpk - in particular I see some overlaps with a lot of your work
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tantek e.g. Boarding Pass ~ Travel Flight Plans
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tantek Actitivity Summary ~ Steps / Pushups
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tantek Flights ~ Travel Flight Plans
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tantek each of the types of cards listed appears to be a kind of post
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tantek each representable by an existing microformat or something similar (or something we have to minimally propose?)
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tantek and so we can figure out minimal markup for each
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tantek and based on that markup, minimal styling to recreate the "cards" that are shown here: http://www.google.com/landing/now/#cards
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tantek and thus make IndieCards™ (jk on the ™ ;) )
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bret !tell KevinMarks, enjoying your talk :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret oops, hopefully the comma didnt screw that up
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tantek bret I think the comma is used to delimit multiple recipients
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tantek !tell bret, aaronpk I wonder why when you use only one comma Loqi replies with *three* " I'll tell them that when I see them next".
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek Like that ;)
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aaronpk !tell tantek also might be worth looking at the glass API, since it actually does use HTML to create the "cards" for Glass
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk also yeah wtf loqi with tripling up on the tells
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Loqi :)
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aaronpk also wow parsing "!tell bret, aaronpk message text" is surprisingly hard
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@marcoslangen RT @kevinmarks: my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411380493633216512)
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bear I wonder if a checkin can be related to a venue's webmention?
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bear hmm, not related
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bear could my checkin entry be a rel="visited" link to a venue
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aaronpk interesting
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bear it just bubbled into my head while reading the wiki's recentChanges list
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aaronparecki.com edited /short-domains (+256) "add note about updating .pk domains" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /short-domains (+110) "/* ro */" (view diff)
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aaronpk there, !tell should work better now
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters when did you start returning the list of comments in a property called "comment" and why? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwaterpigs.co.uk%2Fnotes%2F4TWADo%2F
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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skinny !tell tantek Seems like someone from our community could propose a indie web project for danah boyd's new thinktank http://www.datasociety.net/initiatives/fellows-program/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Jihaisse Hello
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Loqi jonnybarnes: tantek left you a message on 12/12 at 9:54am: to create the proxy text for Twitter to then figure out where to ellipsize, I use the tw_text_proxy($s) cassis function: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js#L1252 (it takes just a text string as a single parameter)
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 3 hours, 45 minutes ago: also might be worth looking at the glass API, since it actually does use HTML to create the "cards" for Glass
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Loqi tantek: skinny left you a message 1 hour, 33 minutes ago: Seems like someone from our community could propose a indie web project for danah boyd's new thinktank http://www.datasociety.net/initiatives/fellows-program/
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tantek indeed - I strongly encourage anyone working on the IndieWeb to apply for this fellowship: http://www.datasociety.net/initiatives/fellows-program/
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jonnybarnes anyone any good at regex?
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tantek you trying to create two problems where there is one? ;)
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jonnybarnes of course, why as an englishman, would I do things the easy way?
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tantek ah that explains everything!
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tantek you're in good company here
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Jihaisse as a French, if you want more problems, I can setup a strike
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tantek with adactio, benward, benwerd, hadleybeeman, and tommorris - all of whom live or originated in the UK (or maybe just spent many many years thre)
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 47 minutes ago: when did you start returning the list of comments in a property called "comment" and why? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwaterpigs.co.uk%2Fnotes%2F4TWADo%2F
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tantek oh and barnabywalters too
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barnabywalters uh, good morning?
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barnabywalters reads logs
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tantek :)
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tantek jonnybarnes - I apologize I didn't get the full extent of the Twitter POSSE questions you were asking
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barnabywalters ah yes I am from the UK
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tantek if you got my message from before - I'm using multiple cassis functions to do it
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tantek not ideal, but I wanted each function to be simple in itself to make using them more predictable
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barnabywalters tantek: maybe it would be a good idea to put your twitter POSSE preparation code in a note or a gist somewhere as an example of how to use all the cassis functions involved
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jonnybarnes yeah, so at the moment I can swap the url for a 22 char string and thus work out where to cut the string
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jonnybarnes now I'm trying to actually do that
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tantek jonnybarnes which part?
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jonnybarnes I think I've got it working now :)
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tantek woot!
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Loqi yay!
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jonnybarnes I know I need to now work out if I'm cutting in the middle of a word and act accordingly, but in terms of counting chars and counting URLs as 22 chars, would this get accepted by Twitter? https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/7942609
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: trying it on twitter.com gives me -1 chars left warning
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jonnybarnes I'm getting confused with numbers now. How long is a https tco link?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: 23 chars I think
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tantek yes 23
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tantek just fixed that on the Twitter page earlier today
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tantek oops typo :(
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+0) "/* POSSE abbr note to twitter */ 23 https" (view diff)
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tantek barnabywalters - yeah - I'm not too happy with the current Falcon code that calls tw_text_proxy and ellipsize_to_word
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barnabywalters tantek: well in that case publishing it serves two purposes — documenting how to use cassis and providing you extra incentive to make it better ;)
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tantek oh I've got plenty of incentive - just other things to work on / itches to scratch first
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barnabywalters I’ve actually been wanting to rewrite my twitter POSSE preparation code recently, using cassis functions instead of my bad rewrites of them
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barnabywalters and then making a dumb-as-possible PHP POSSE to twitter package which does top-quality POSSEing with one function call
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barnabywalters this is a thing which should be easy for people by now
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barnabywalters but it still requires messing with an oauth library, parsing in-reply-to URLs/mf structures for syndication links for POSSE replies, etc etc etc
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+660) "/* POSSE abbr note to twitter */ note CASSIS tw_text_proxy function for use with coming up with counts for tweets" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes will str_replace('ASCII text', 'Unicode text') work properly?
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jonnybarnes it should be fine anyway. just realised my regex to match URLs won't match those with non-ascii chars in anyway
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jonnybarnes why did I say anyway twice?
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barnabywalters yeah, php treats strings whether unicode or ASCII as arrays of bytes
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jonnybarnes it works, almost, much nicer than what I was doing before.
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jonnybarnes I'm sending the right length thing to twitter, no more than 140 chars accounting for URLs
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barnabywalters unicode problems only start happening when you start trying to count characters, chop up strings in the middle of characters or need to match entities against control character sequences
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: great!
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jonnybarnes now all I need to do is not put my ellipsis in the middle of a word :)
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@aral Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411472478209585152)
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@owzim which is hell to install, for me anyways. RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411472862302990336)
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jonnybarnes some of this CASSIS code is really weird
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@gembarrett RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411475828598657024)
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@juanfernandes RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411476123894415360)
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jonnybarnes from ellipsize_to_word: // do not break at %`'"&.!?^ - reasons why to be documented
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jonnybarnes anyone documented that yet?
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@joshuajuran RT @kevinmarks: my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411479781469728768)
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@silent785 RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411483094521507840)
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@pixeljer RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411485918110167041)
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@CocoaKevin RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411497275471712257)
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jonnybarnes is #indieweb the only tag that Loqi looks out for?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: #ownyourdata and #indieauth, perhaps #webmention too
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@saumya RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411498797227724800)
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@KCornwallis RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411498825573224448)
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@leeotzu RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411517157185306624)
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@etymancer RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411517739191128064)
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jonnybarnes 115~ chars really isnt that much for syndicating notes
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mcepl why GitLab and not Gitorious?
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mcepl but whatever ...
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mcepl I am afraid the point of GitHub is not in the software itself, but in the community collected around it, and that cannot be reproduced easily (see gitorious.org ... and I am it more or less happy user)
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@Raz0r RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411521812262961152)
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barnabywalters !tell tantek is this yours? http://glidergun.com/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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jonnybarnes as I asked before, why does CASSIS:ellipsize_to_word say `// do not break at %`'"&.!?^ - reasons why to be documented`?
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jonnybarnes anyone any idea?
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@craigpatik RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411533052729237504)
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bret aaronpk and anyone else in PDX: bnvk and I are going to barista for a while. Your welcome to come
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message on 12/12 at 8:09pm: aaronpk I wonder why when you use only one comma Loqi replies with *three* " I'll tell them that when I see them next".
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 2 hours, 40 minutes ago: is this yours? http://glidergun.com/
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tantek !tell barnabywalters always fun when someone I know discovers one of my random domains.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: hey, just fyi, i fixed a bug in brid.gy that prevented your account from getting google+ refresh tokens. to take advantage of it, you'll need to go through the google+ auth flow again. sorry for the trouble!
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: thanks for the heads up. I've temporarily revoked brid.gy while I fix my webmention receiving code.
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tantek !tell jonnybarnes re: "do not break at %`'"&.!?^" because for each of those frequently thier uses are contextually relevant and breaking at them (or removing them) changes the meaning of the text too much - could produce misleading text for the reader.
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tantek Loqi?
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Loqi :)
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tantek !tell jonnybarnes re: "do not break at %`'"&.!?^" because for each of those frequently thier uses are contextually relevant and breaking at them (or removing them) changes the meaning of the text too much - could produce misleading text for the reader.
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: sounds good. you can now delete yourself in brid.gy too, if you want. adding back later will work fine.
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@t last Homebrew Website Club meeting of the year: Wednesday 2013-12-18 18:30 @MozSF & @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-12-18-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4TY1) (twitter.com/_/status/411570432769523712)
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@snarfed_org RT @t: last Homebrew Website Club meeting of the year: Wednesday 2013-12-18 18:30 @MozSF & @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-12-18-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4TY1) (twitter.com/_/status/411572378162847744)
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@joshuajuran RT @t: last Homebrew Website Club meeting of the year: Wednesday 2013-12-18 18:30 @MozSF & @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-12-18-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4TY1) (twitter.com/_/status/411573629709586432)
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aaronpk oh no what have I done, I broke !tell last night
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aaronpk well, fixed one part of it, broke another
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@thierrymarianne RT @t: last Homebrew Website Club meeting of the year: Wednesday 2013-12-18 18:30 @MozSF & @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-12-18-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4TY1) (twitter.com/_/status/411574118237368320)
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aaronpk oic
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aaronpk fixed I think
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@JESS3 RT @kevinmarks: my #leweb talk "The Web We Found" is up as video: http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/411580828251344896)
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@rhawbert RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/411583067430846464)
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tantek let's try !tell again
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tantek !tell jonnybarnes re: "do not break at %`'"&.!?^" because for each of those frequently thier uses are contextually relevant and breaking at them (or removing them) changes the meaning of the text too much - could produce misleading text for the reader.
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aaronpk well I think it actually worked, just didn't get confirmation
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aaronpk we'll see what happens when he comes back
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/b/2013-12-12/mise-a-jour-jetpack-2-7-possez-vos-contenus-wordpress-sur-google-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-12-11/line/1386801509 (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/b/2013-12-12/mise-a-jour-jetpack-2-7-possez-vos-contenus-wordpress-sur-google-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress-fr (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/b/2013-12-12/mise-a-jour-jetpack-2-7-possez-vos-contenus-wordpress-sur-google-indieweb/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE-fr (pingback)
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@Emergent007 My last post on #leweb #LeWeb13 coming tomorrow. Don't miss it to read about #IndieWeb & Cyborgs ! (twitter.com/_/status/411642835335512064)