#indiewebcamp 2014-01-04

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barnabywalters tantek: btw, today I discovered that my old-ish feature phone supports people-focused home screens with photos+names, and (!!!) web feeds for those people
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snarfed whoa
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barnabywalters haven’t been able to figure out exactly what “web feeds” does yet due to lack of data connection
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barnabywalters but presumably it pulls in stuff from an RSS feed
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tantek barnabywalters - WHOA that's awesome! please upload photos of screens if you get a chance
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barnabywalters making it possibly the most “indie” phone currently in existence ;)
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barnabywalters tantek: will do!
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tantek hahaha
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tantek feature phones had some strange and interesting innovations back in the day
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tantek which will all be lost as they transition away
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barnabywalters it’s this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_C5-00
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tantek tries to sign-up for brid.gy with Twitter and gets a 500
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tantek "500 Internal Server Error The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation."
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tantek snarfed ^^^
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snarfed :(
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snarfed yeah, i'm not seeing you on the front page
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snarfed looking
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tantek tries IG
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tantek and same error
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snarfed i did get the alert email that you signed up
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ShaneHudson Yeah there were some incredible innovations before the iphone :( Now everything is slowing down for the moment
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tantek and same error with G+
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snarfed wow, it's your name. either urllib2 or i suck at unicode
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snarfed that's awful. i'm sorry!
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tantek and for completion, FB too. same error.
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snarfed i'm guessing you've seen it once or twice before. still, though, really bad. i'll try to fix quickly.
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snarfed and that after all your compliments about UX! ironic :P
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tantek is used to being a UTF8 test case.
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snarfed yeah, i figured
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benwerd I think I just decided to reinstate my umlaut.
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tantek …müller ?
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benwerd yeah
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tantek (said like Beuler?)
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benwerd *just* like that, mostly ;)
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tantek snarfed - so here's my question about the 2nd degree favoriting showing up on your post - how come the tweet itself that linked to your post didn't show up as a mention?
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snarfed it ignores "original posts." it only sends replies, likes, and reshares of them
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tantek e.g. I'd expect that this tweet https://twitter.com/snarfed_org/status/419221273739149312 would show up as a mention on/around http://snarfed.org/2013-05-31_fighting-information-overload-and-beyond#comment-646377 (not unlike that pingback)
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Loqi https://twitter.com/snarfed_org :: @t hell yes...or at least more productive. my take: http://snarfed.org/2013-05-31_fighting-information-overload-and-beyond
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tantek but that tweet is not an "original post"
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snarfed true! but afaik there's not yet a great way to distinguish between a POSSE syndicated copy and a separate post that happens to include a link
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snarfed at least afaik. i'll be happy to implement an algorithm if we have one!
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snarfed (aaronpk and i discussed this a while ago)
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tantek ahem http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery
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snarfed ah yes, rel=syndication, good point
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tantek isn't it easy because either the original post links to the POSSE copy with rel=syndication or not?
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ShaneHudson I remember being told once that 'If you have an idea, somebody has already done it'...
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tantek yes
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snarfed i'd forgotten about that.
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ShaneHudson Should be changed to 'If you have an idea, Tantek has already done it' :P
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tantek ShaneHudson - that's just a particular school of thought ;)
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tantek ShaneHudson - not done it, maybe wikified it. And not "already" but likelier, as t->∞
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snarfed when i looked at that a while back in a survey of POSSE posts, adoption of it was lacking at best, and i didn't want people's first experience to be webmentions of their POSSE posts, so i went the more aggressive route
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tantek interesting
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snarfed but i could definitely reconsider in the future
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tantek why not use the information if you have it?
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tantek at least a few known examples: http://indiewebcamp.com/rel-syndication#IndieWeb_examples
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tantek and likely more - like you're using rel-syndication right? add snarfed.org to that list!
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snarfed definitely! it was just a big chunk of extra work, since i don't currently fetch or parse post pages at all
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tantek oh ok
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tantek snarfed - speaking of original post discovery - is there an original post on snarfed.org for https://twitter.com/snarfed_org/status/419221273739149312 or is the silo copy the only one?
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Loqi https://twitter.com/snarfed_org :: @t hell yes...or at least more productive. my take: http://snarfed.org/2013-05-31_fighting-information-overload-and-beyond
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snarfed silo copy is the only one. i don't yet POSSE silo replies
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tantek or tweets in general?
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snarfed original tweets yes, replies no
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tantek (I couldn't find your original tweets from your home page snarfed.org)
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snarfed i don't display syndicate links
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snarfed on a related note, one next big feature for bridgy is to accept webmentions against silo posts and post them into the silos (as comments, faves, etc) using the APIs
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barnabywalters tantek:
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barnabywalters http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/nokia-c5-person-first-ui.jpeg
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tantek fascinating!
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tantek please upload and embed in /icon (along with what steps you followed on your phone to make them appear)
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barnabywalters will see if I can borrow a sim with data and try the web feed feature
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tantek snarfed - I think I get it now - you are posting everything you post on snarfed.org to twitter, and no "original posts" directly to Twitter - you just don't post that often to snarfed.org!
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snarfed right
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tantek many more replies than original posts on @snarfed_org (and maybe more retweets too)
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snarfed it's bursty
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tantek clicking through from a tweet on @snarfed_org to the original on snarfed.org and then seeing comments from *Facebook* is a surreal experience.
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snarfed hah yes!
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tantek we're definitely starting to blur the lines here
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snarfed btw, apologies again for the bug! should be fixed now. expect rough edges, e.g. the welcome msg, but you should be able to sign up and use it at least
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tantek I think if I implemented (I mean *when*) I may switch back to always having a clickable permalink on my twitter POSSE'd posts - because there would be a very good chance that the permalink on my own site would include much more interaction (including FB comments) than the tweet.
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tantek s/implemented/implemented brid.gy on tantek.com
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I think if I implemented brid.gy on tantek.com (I mean *when*) I may switch back to always having a clickable permalink on my twitter POSSE'd posts - because there would be a very good chance that the permalink on my own site would include much more interaction (including FB comments) than the tweet.
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snarfed good point!
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tantek seriously amazing reading the time-intermingled comments / likes
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tantek e.g. http://snarfed.org/2013-11-24_property-management-records
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snarfed i know!
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snarfed love it
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snarfed i've had that for a couple years with the last version of brid.gy, but just for comments. likes etc are more common
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tantek heh: "Added Twitter: Tantek Çelik. Refresh to see what we've found!"
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snarfed yeah that message is ugly, and deleting won't work until i push this next fix, but otherwise hopefully it'll work. sigh, live debugging. thanks for finding it!
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tantek as you get more likes snarfed you may want to consider compressing them into "n people liked this" style presentation that FB does where it shows the most recent 5 or so mini icons
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snarfed definitely!
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snarfed i'm slower at hacking on my own site since i'm not as familiar with the stack
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tantek though there is a certain appeal of the Tumblr-style purely time sequence "so and so liked this"
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snarfed i should get more familiar
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Loqi I agree
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tantek I'm just saying they're both "valid" (as in time tested with numerous users)
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barnabywalters python and unicode are a nightmare
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ShaneHudson Is brid.gy able to be run on our own servers?
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tantek Tumblr's is nice because they compress the height of "likes" quite a bit so they stack well
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barnabywalters you could also compress adjacent likes/reposts horizontally
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tantek so that's kind a what FB does
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barnabywalters then break the chain whenever there’s a comment
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tantek I think it's worth documenting both aggregation styles
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tantek true!
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barnabywalters or maximise horizontal compression by having one line of likes per day/x other duration
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snarfed ShaneHudson: it's open source, so you can definitely run your own instance. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy
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snarfed it's app engine, though, so it's not quite as portable as other stacks, and it's definitely not designed to be a library
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snarfed happy to help though!
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tantek that's pretty darn open ;)
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tantek snarfed, I just tried unfavoriting, refreshing, then favoriting https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/417783751070842880 and it didn't show up on http://werd.io/2013/heres-what-i-want-to-do-more-of-in-2014
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Loqi https://twitter.com/benwerd :: Here's what I want to do more of in 2014. http://werd.io/2013/heres-what-i-want-to-do-more-of-in-2014
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ShaneHudson Ah yes, fair enough. Might hook up to brid.gy at some point :)
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snarfed tantek: thanks, i'll look. good to know werd.io is accepting some of brid.gy's webmentions: http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to#comments
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waterpigs.co.uk uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:nokia-c5-person-first-ui.jpg]]""
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tantek snarfed - hmm - and that one I had not previously favorited. https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/414133899036327936 but now just did
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Loqi https://twitter.com/benwerd :: The blog might be dying, but the web's about to fight back #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to
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tantek and not seeing it upon reloading http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to#comments
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snarfed oh no, it's not a favorite. just other retweets of your tweets that linked to his post
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tantek wait what
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snarfed exactly :P
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snarfed it goes back to your syndicate vs non syndicate post, and the semantics of what should be propagate where
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tantek why would bridgy send webmentions of favorites to this post https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/417783751070842880 but not this one https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/414133899036327936
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Loqi https://twitter.com/benwerd :: Here's what I want to do more of in 2014. http://werd.io/2013/heres-what-i-want-to-do-more-of-in-2014
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snarfed bridgy is pretty robust, but it doesn't always follow the fine semantic details
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tantek both are syndications
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snarfed (some of which we may still need to nail down ourselves)
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tantek linked to via rel-syndication
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tantek from the originals on werd.io
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snarfed re the favorites, not sure. i'll look. the rel=syndication part currently won't matter.
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snarfed well, one answer is favorites don't backfill. it'll only see the ones that happened after you signed up
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tantek hmm - is inagist hosting a crawlable copy of Twitter?
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tantek results from inagist are showing up higher in Google than the originals from my site!
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tantek that's a copy 2 removed!
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waterpigs.co.uk uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:nokia-c5-person-selected.JPG]]""
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snarfed btw tantek, re the webmention failures on your ttk.me links, i have a bug filed against webmention.io: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/14
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tantek https://www.google.com/search?q="In+the+land+of+the+distracted"
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /icon (+487) "/* Browser Support */ documented Nokia C5 icon support" (view diff)
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tantek argh bad colloquy autolink
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tantek https://www.google.com/search?q=%22In+the+land+of+the+distracted%22
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /icon (+89) "/* Nokia C5-00 */ documented action buttons provided for contacts" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed - that's interesting, the "like" just showed up on http://werd.io/2013/heres-what-i-want-to-do-more-of-in-2014
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tantek now I'm wondering if benwerd has a semi-automatic webmention queue that he has to approve
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benwerd nope
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tantek then I'm wondering where the lag was
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benwerd wasn't with me - idno will display the webmention as soon as it gets it
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tantek ah - perhaps favorites come from the polling behavior of brid.gy
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snarfed investigating right now. tantek, bridgy has seen 4 favorites of yours since it started watching:
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tantek whereas retweets come from the streaming interface
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/like/twitter/t/413440723841601536/11628
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/like/twitter/t/417783751070842880/11628
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/like/twitter/t/417783751070842880/11628
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/like/twitter/t/414133899036327936/11628
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snarfed (the two middle ones on the same tweet)
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tantek interesting
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snarfed well, at least those. maybe more since
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tantek snarfed - ooh - first I've seen of backfeed of G+ interactions: http://snarfed.org/2013-12-17_burton-malkiel-talk (but I see duplicates of all the G+ comments)
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi night
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snarfed night!
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snarfed to close the loop, the first two of those i mentioned sent successful webmentions at 16:48:33. the last sent successfully at 16:50:23
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tantek funny that that post in particular didn't elicit any FB reactions
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snarfed i didn't post it on fb. :P i tend to only posse to a subset
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tantek how did you POSSE it to G+?
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snarfed re lag, one cause is probably that i throttle outgoing webmentions to roughly 1 per second, and when someone signs up, a bunch queue up
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snarfed i posse manually so i can more easily control the text, where to send, etc
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tantek ok that's fair
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snarfed not a pain point yet since i don't post often. would be if i possed replies.
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tantek I've manually POSSEd to G+ myself in the past
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tantek for particularly techy/nerdy posts (per who seems to be on G+)
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snarfed right
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snarfed also, re g+ backfeed, there are some older than that on snarfed, sent from the wordpress-only bridgy. i'll see if i can find an old example
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tantek but why the dupes of each G+ comment?
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snarfed g+ backfeed from dec 2011: http://snarfed.org/2011-12-02_thoughts_on_writing_my_first_android_app#comments
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tantek wow
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snarfed bridgy had a bug at new years with generating ids that duplicated a bunch of stuff. (lol) could have been that.
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snarfed i think i added some notes on this and rough dates to http://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed
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snarfed nm, history mostly just on http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy , and not enough example links
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snarfed sad that webmention.io isn't playing nicely with bridgy. aaronpk, happy to help debug whenever you have time!
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tantek aaronpk - coincidentally my webmention.io link for retrieving tantek.com webmentions is now giving me "502 Bad Gateway" :/
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snarfed looks like that's indieauth. i can't log into it, same 502 error
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benwerd Oh, I really like brid.gy. Can't believe I didn't sign up right at the beginning.
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why-fr (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/silo-fr (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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snarfed thanks benwerd! glad you like it!
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benwerd I *love* it.
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snarfed yay!
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Loqi giggles
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snarfed feel free to file bugs/feature requests in github.
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benwerd I may file something relating to retweets as reposts - will write something up.
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snarfed sure!
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aaronpk !tell snarfed I'm super into tracking down the bugs with webmention.io and bridgy. unfortunatley am traveling this week and will not likely have much time to poke at it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] http://maniaravings.com/status/2013/12/31/zeldman-on-taking-back-the-free-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (pingback)
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KartikPrabhu what is the latest on the predicted/expected site-deaths noted here: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 32 minutes ago: I'm super into tracking down the bugs with webmention.io and bridgy. unfortunatley am traveling this week and will not likely have much time to poke at it
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snarfed aaronpk: no worries! not at all urgent. have a good trip
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tantek KartikPrabhu - it's a wiki page, by definition it's the latest unless you want to investigate any of the items/links and update it with newer information!
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KartikPrabhu tantek: just curious. will investigate later. thanks
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tantek !tell snarfed I tried @-replying to your @-reply to see if that worked to add a comment to your post (just as favoriting your @-reply added a favorite) https://twitter.com/t/status/419376018303238144
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !snarfed - ah looks like @-replies get caught eventually by bridgy - very cool. certainly a bit surreal to have my POSSEd copy show up on your blog - but whatever works!
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tantek !tell snarfed - ah looks like @-replies get caught eventually by bridgy - very cool. certainly a bit surreal to have my POSSEd copy show up on your blog. Ideally bridgy could do original post discovery on @-replies and give you the original rather than the Twitter POSSE copy. :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell snarfed - also - is your blog deliberately showing UTC timestamps? any reasons to show those rather than local (to you or to the reader) timestamps?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [@t] 2013 #indieweb pieces: IndieAuth comments webmention events Bridgy
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Loqi 2014 together invincible. ♫ http://vimeo.com/40111334 (ttk.me t4Tu1) (http://twtr.io/gbzwJ627_Q)
sdboyer, HereticLocke, reidab, ozten, saurik, realzies, jacus_, pnorman, sparverius, bret, netweb, SRCR, amblin, mko, Phae, jancborchardt, lmjabreu_, JonathanNeal, tommorris, hugoroyd_, pdxleif, edsu, brianloveswords, etymancer, ryana|away, brixen, rknLA, hidgw, zaal, julio, icco, the_merlin, KartikPrabhu, pfenwick, a, dvirsky, heath, marjolein, tantek, benatkin, Nagah, Jeena, melvster, kylewm, acegiak, schalkneethling, squeakytoy2, inimino, bnvk_, anselm, mcepl, igalic, pdurbin, dietrich, aaronpk, nateabele and lukecyca joined the channel
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tantek first time posting a "jam" as a note on my own site: http://tantek.com/2014/004/t1/indieweb-pieces-together-invincible - POSSEd (manually) to thisismyjam: http://www.thisismyjam.com/t
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tantek permalinks for jams on thisismyjam.com coming this year - when they do I'll add the rel=syndication link to the original
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@franckpaul @elpep yup, et pis du trackback, du pingback, et du webmention tant que t'y es, c'est pour jouer avec DC ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/419408976762388480)
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voxpelli Created a little WebMention test tool: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger
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voxpelli Would love if others would give me permission to include example markup of their webmention posts
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@voxpelli If you're building a WebMention receiver, then having mentions to test it with is handy. I made a tool for that: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger (twitter.com/_/status/419502359220203520)
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@voxpelli I'm using it to test my WebMention service, which of course one can also use instead of building ones own: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/419502672891215872)
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@voxpelli @aaronpk @t @BarnabyWalters @adactio Would it be okay to include example markup of your WebMentions in my test tool? https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger (twitter.com/_/status/419503414297387008)
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@wanleung HKOSC2013-M4004-02-The IndieWeb Movement and Related Open Source Projects by HU, Pili: http://www.youtube.com/ via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/419506440202485760)
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Loqi [@ShaneHudson] RT @t: 2013 #indieweb pieces: IndieAuth comments webmention events Bridgy
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Loqi 2014 together invincible. ♫ http://vimeo.com/40111334 (ttk.me t4Tu1) (http://twtr.io/gcem2BMGNQ)
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@dckc @Indie_Auth are twitter profiles still supported? Any idea why http://www.madmode.com/ isn't working? (twitter.com/_/status/419517969996062721)
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@aaronpk @dckc Your Twitter profile links to http://www.madmode.com/ but your website is http://www.madmode.com @Indie_Auth (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/01/04/1/indieauth) (twitter.com/_/status/419524100034265088)
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aaronpk lol loqi expanded the URLs in that
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Loqi woot!
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aaronpk was supposed to say "Your Twitter profile links to madmode.com but your website is www.madmode.com"
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aaronpk also that seems to be happening more often than I'd like
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barnabywalters http://indiewebify.waterpigs.co.uk now detects silo and blogging software usage, pointing people towards wiki pages and relevant help articles
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waterpigs.co.uk created /Idno (+18) "Redirected page to [[idno]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: awesome!
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barnabywalters evening aaronpk!
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aaronpk hello!
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barnabywalters liking your new more detailed mention/like/repost display
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aaronpk thanks!
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aaronpk still have some work to do on that, but thisi s an improvement!
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: indiewebify.waterpigs.co.uk h-entry validator should now show names for articles, e.g. http://indiewebify.waterpigs.co.uk/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwaterpigs.co.uk%2Fnotes%2F4Tk-twelve-days-of-show-of-hands-christmas%2F
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 25 minutes ago: I tried @-replying to your @-reply to see if that worked to add a comment to your post (just as favoriting your @-reply added a favorite) https://twitter.com/t/status/419376018303238144
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 1 minute ago: - ah looks like @-replies get caught eventually by bridgy - very cool. certainly a bit surreal to have my POSSEd copy show up on your blog. Ideally bridgy could do original post discovery on @-replies and give you the original rather than the Twitter POSSE copy. :)
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 59 minutes ago: - also - is your blog deliberately showing UTC timestamps? any reasons to show those rather than local (to you or to the reader) timestamps?
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@dckc @aaronpk @Indie_Auth I put http://www.madmode.com in the twitter profile form. profile display abbreviates to http://www.madmode.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/419558963005231105)
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@wanleung I added a video to a @YouTube playlist http://www.youtube.com/ HKOSC2013-M4004-02-The IndieWeb Movement and Related Open Source (twitter.com/_/status/419561063839854592)
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www.madmode.com edited /web_hosting (-1) "scriptinpg typo" (view diff)
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www.madmode.com created /User:Www.madmode.com (+74) "Created page with "[http://www.madmode.com/ Madmode] is Dan Connolly's tinkering lab notebook"" (view diff)
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@aaronpk @dckc In that case might be the sporadic Twitter SSL issue https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/40 (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/01/04/2/indieauth) (twitter.com/_/status/419568714774614016)
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@franckpaul @elpep tu nous rajouterais pas webmention dans Dotclear, dans la foulée ? steup' ? Merci bisou :-) (twitter.com/_/status/419584522557329408)
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aaronpk man there are some weird TLDs on the market now
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snarfed !tell tantek thanks for the ideas on @-replies, etc! i'll keep them in mind. feel free to file github issues too!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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snarfed !tell tantek and good catch on the UTC timestamps! i'll fix.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk snarfed: hello!
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snarfed hey aaronpk! i was about to try an experiment
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snarfed i wonder if that webmention.io problem happens with other https sources, not just brid.gy
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aaronpk ah that would be good to figure out
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aaronpk i can probably try simulating that from here
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aaronpk since I was able to reproduce the problem fairly easily
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snarfed sure. i'll also try a different bridgy endpoint with a different ssl cert
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aaronpk no problem making https requests to github.com
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snarfed huh. it worked against https://brid-gy.appspot.com/ , which is the same server but different ssl cert
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snarfed curl -v -d 'source=https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/109182513536739786206/z12detsbpu2egrgfg223hzqw3xiuwlazj04/116247173913852395530&target=http://tantek.com/2011/220/b1/web-actions-a-new-building-block' webmention.io/tantek.com/webmention
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aaronpk well it always works the first time
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snarfed ah right
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snarfed yeah, a second one against that endpoint also failed
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aaronpk but yeah i'm testing it manually and it doesn't seem to have a problem with that one
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snarfed this one fails:
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snarfed curl -v -d 'source=https://www.brid.gy/comment/facebook/214611/10100895437243383/10100895437243383_7665356&target=http://ttk.me/t4Ts3' webmention.io/tantek.com/webmention
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snarfed oops, nm, old endpoint. trying again
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aaronpk yeah every time I test with www.brid.gy it fails with the weird openssl error
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snarfed it's the first time i've generated and set up an ssl cert, i may well have broken something
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aaronpk aha
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aaronpk are you on a mac? try this: openssl s_client -connect www.brid.gy:443 vs openssl s_client -connect brid-gy.appspot.com:443
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@nodenpm webmention-testpinger (0.2.0): https://npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention mark... (twitter.com/_/status/419588040223633409)
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@npm_tweets webmention-testpinger 0.2.0 https://npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twitter.com/_/status/419588178861768704)
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snarfed oh yeah, s_client should work anywhere openssl runs
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aaronpk not sure why openssl doesn't find the SSL cert, but that's probably related to this problem
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aaronpk maybe you need to add the whole cert chain?
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snarfed huh. just looked at https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=brid.gy , seems mostly happy. i'll look more
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snarfed yup, that test shows the chain problem too. could be it. i'll work on that.
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aaronpk cool
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snarfed thanks for the sleuthing!
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aaronpk np!
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/15
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@npm_tweets webmention-testpinger 0.2.2 https://npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twitter.com/_/status/419589436502855681)
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@voxpelli The WebMention test pinger I created today can now be installed through npm: https://npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger (twitter.com/_/status/419591025221332992)
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voxpelli Loqi sure catches every indie step one makes online
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aaronpk :)
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voxpelli aaronpk: Okay to include an example of your site in that tool as well?
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aaronpk you just want to use my HTML as an example of an h-entry?
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aaronpk (it's not going to result in a bunch of people sending test pings to my site, right?)
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voxpelli aaronpk: exactly
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voxpelli aaronpk: the code won't be available outside of peoples local boxes and the pings will be towards peoples local webmention receivers - tricking them into accepting a faked mention from you so that they can ensure that their code can handle such a mention if it were to be real one day
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aaronpk sure thing, did you have an example post in mind?
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voxpelli I was thinking a simple one like http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/09/08/1/indiewebcampuk-webmention
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aaronpk that one's appropriate :)
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voxpelli cool, I'll add that one then, thank you :)
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@npm_tweets webmention-testpinger 0.2.3 https://npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twitter.com/_/status/419595728831275008)
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@npm_tweets webmention-testpinger 0.2.4 https://npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twitter.com/_/status/419596988611436544)
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snarfed aaronpk: i suspect the problem may be SNI. it was cheaper than a VIP, so i went with it, but it requires that you pass the hostname when you connect. browsers do, but it looks like openssl doesn't by default
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snarfed e.g. this works: openssl s_client -servername www.brid.gy -connect www.brid.gy:443
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snarfed simple fix is probably just for me to serve sources from the appspot.com host
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snarfed aha, just saw your comment. nm!
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aaronpk the thing that's stumping me is why the ruby http client fetches it just fine the first time
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aaronpk and fails every time after that
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snarfed yeah good question
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snarfed if you're curious enough, you could see if you can pass the hostname down and see if that fixes it
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snarfed don't bother unless you're really bored though :P
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aaronpk I'm assuming it does that already
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snarfed i actually suspect it doesn't
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snarfed but maybe
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aaronpk but it works once!
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snarfed and you're right, it seems like it'd fail the first time then
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snarfed exactly
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snarfed computers!@
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aaronpk also I'm using SNI on most of my domains i've been testing with
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aaronpk e.g. aaronparecki.com
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snarfed oh! if it works with those as sources, then yeah, that's an existence proof
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snarfed the other possibility is that the cert includes the CA root cert, which it doesn't need to, and which s_client and qualys lightly complain about
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aaronpk also interestingly, it only seems to be an issue when making requests from my web server, not my mac
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snarfed really? browser or s_client on your mac?
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snarfed might be different openssl versions with different/missing sni support
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aaronpk ok here is the test case https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/8262019
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aaronpk when I do that from a ruby console on my server, it fails consistently starting with the second request to www.brid.gy
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aaronpk however when I do that from my mac, it works just fine all the time
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snarfed huh. that's a test case at least.
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snarfed it'd be good to know the openssl versions ruby is using in each place
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aaronpk looks like system openssl version is 1.0.0e on the server and 1.0.1e on my mac
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aaronpk i assume ruby is linked against those
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sparverius Limit Login Attempts
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sparverius THANKS PUTTY
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aaronpk fails on a different server with 1.0.0d as well
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snarfed interesting
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aaronpk fails on an ubuntu server with 1.0.1
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aaronpk (the other servers were fedora)
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snarfed i replaced the cert just now with one that has chained intermediate certs from the CA. it looks like the earlier one didn't have them. could have sworn i uploaded the one that did, but maybe not
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snarfed but that was before your latest failure, so clearly it didn't help
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aaronpk oh this is interesting, the stacktrace shows it's using a "net-http-persistent" gem
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aaronpk I wonder if I can force it to not use persistent connections
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aaronpk cause it always works the first time
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snarfed huh. good idea. no clue why that would make it fail after the first time, but can't hurt to try
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aaronpk argh
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aaronpk ok so... I upgraded to the latest version of the mechanize gem, and now everything works fine
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snarfed oh man
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aaronpk i hate that. now i'll never know what was wrong
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snarfed i just hit the button to deploy the change to brid-gy.appspot.com urls :P
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aaronpk doh
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snarfed do you still have a server that's unchanged? the ubuntu one?
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snarfed np, it's easy to switch back if we want
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aaronpk i'm upgrading all the gems, will restart webmention.io when done, then everything should work like magic
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/110163252080892327158 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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snarfed want me to switch back to www.brid.gy urls first?
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis.1371792840968533 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis.1372189930993331 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/116216939076611740563 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/100313086520534185887 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/109182513536739786206 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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snarfed i can always do that later.
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/107572871207229463900 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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snarfed hah, nice
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/105037104815911535953 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/102307008290001893965 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/googleplus/106119964731604142156/z124vfwy2zb3xfbwc04cjf4w0xy5hxj4pis/114044223936446378312 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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snarfed alright then!
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aaronpk yeah the brid.gy URLs are nicer I think
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snarfed although this is all due to my change. whee
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aaronpk heh
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snarfed i'll probably stick with it, for compatibility
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snarfed bbi a bit
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