#indiewebcamp 2014-01-09

2014-01-09 UTC
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benwerd I really need to fix my video implementation, so apologies for uploading to a silo, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYf7xhebOI
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KevinMarks you can upload to archive.org too, as long as you CC it
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benwerd good call
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tantek either way, POSSEing to YouTube is a good thing for enabling easy embedding and handling traffic
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aaronpk benwerd: doh! wonder why my comment didn't come in in realtime!
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aaronpk s/my/your
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: benwerd: doh! wonder why your comment didn't come in in realtime!
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KevinMarks agreed, but archive.org is a good place to host audio or video files too - they handle traffic and are much less likely to take you down if you use something PD that someone else claims as copyright
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aaronpk also awesome video!
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aaronpk benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 10 karma
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KevinMarks which reminds me, I need to check where all the audio files for tummelvision.tv ended up as they were hosted in various places
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benwerd aaronpk: awesome! thanks
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benwerd kevinmarks: uploading to archive.org right now
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tantek heads up - the OSCON Call for Participation (i.e. proposals for talks) closes on the 30th: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2014/public/cfp/308
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benwerd aaronpk: there's a short pause while I wait for the comment to show up, but I figured the basic indieweb reply functionality is still impressive
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benwerd tantek: ooh. good reminder.
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tantek in case anyone was thinking of giving a talk on some indieweb awesomeness they have built or invented recently ;)
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tantek (or both)
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tantek benwerd, exactly - had you in mind
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tantek as well as aaronpk (IndieAuth, micropub), snarfed (Bridgy), anybody else?
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jonnybarnes benwerd: what exactly is that your clicking to replay and rsvp. is it a firefox add-on?
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aaronpk benwerd: yes, still pretty good. but realtime would have been better (sniff)
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aaronpk oh yes I should definitely talk about indieauth+micropub! i suspect there will be many more implementations by june!
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tantek especially since everything you guys are doing is open source - this seems quite appropriate
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tantek OSCON 2014 is July 20-24
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benwerd jonnybarnes: it uses the Firefox Social API - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Social_API - they're actually mini-windows to my site, so not an add-on as such
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aaronpk "Topics we’re seeking for the 2014 program include:
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KevinMarks "Open web, open standards, open data, open, open, open!"
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aaronpk Open models for cloud computing and distributed services
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aaronpk Security and privacy in a world of flowing data
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tantek :)
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aaronpk excellent
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tantek aaronpk, please also pass along a reminder to caseorganic, I'd like to see her propose her IndieWeb talk as well for OSCON. That's certainly a crowd that needs to hear her story and her message.
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aaronpk good thinking!
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tantek (I'd even say it should be a keynote)
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aaronpk she's doing the talk on Monday in portland again!
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tantek awesome
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benwerd very cool
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tantek hopefully the extra material we added to the wiki will help
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aaronpk I wonder if we have enough connections to oscon people to get her to keynote
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KevinMarks would a variant of my LeWeb one work?
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tantek aaronpk - likely. Perhaps just ping Tim directly.
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aaronpk tantek: yes I believe it will. we're planning on going over the talk on sunday
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jonnybarnes has caseorganic got a blog post summarises her story?
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KevinMarks who's running OSCON this year? is it still Edd?
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aaronpk hm good thinking on pinging Tim. we're supposed to have dinner at his place next time we're in SF anyway.
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+169) "/* 2003 */ link to blog posts launching XFN" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - we've added a lot to http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline since her talk, but we could probably add more
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tantek if you come up with specific questions about which technology conceived / proposed / implemented when by who - please capture those questions so we can research and add to the timeline
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aaronpk ok will do
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+13) "split 2000-2001 into separate subheads" (view diff)
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benwerd Looks like spammers have found the indieweb comment thread. That's a shame.
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tantek well - it's up to eschnou to moderate it right?
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tantek and show just how well he can update his wordpress to do so ;)
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@t First Homebrew Website Club meetup this year is in one week 2014-015 18:30 both @MozSF @EsriPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4Ty1) (twitter.com/_/status/421099696023941120)
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@benwerd Interested in owning your own space on the social web? You should come to Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/421100477854408704)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/interested-in-owning-your-own-space-on-the-social-web linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/421100477854408704/1845211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/421100477854408704/421113695427502080 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/421099696023941120/239157089 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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amy-mac.com created /User:Amy-mac.com (+49) "Created page with "==Amy MacKinnon== [http://amy-mac.com My Web Hub]"" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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www.jjuran.org edited /events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (+81) "/* RSVP */ add Josh Juran" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu I am having issue debugging my webmentions sending. At the moment I am testing it by attempting to send mentions to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention as Loqi picks it up immediately. Is there a better way to do it?
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Loqi :)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: you can use this post to test if you want http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/10/12/2/indieweb
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KartikPrabhu thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk !tell benwerd happy late birthday! is your and barnaby's birthday the same day?!?!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: if an incorrect webmention is sent to your test post what happens?
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aaronpk you won't see anything
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aaronpk I process everything asynchronously
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aaronpk everything except really obviousl failures returns "202 Accepted"
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aaronpk (obvious failures such as missing a "source" parameter)
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aaronpk I'm considering returning a URL you can use to check on the status of a webmention, but I don't think that's terribly useful for a production system, might just leave that for a debugging utility like webmention.io or indiewebify.me
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KartikPrabhu ok thanks.
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: any updates on the bridgy mention bug/issue with my site? I don't see any mentions from bridgy in by database
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snarfed hey KartikPrabhu! actually i don't think you're signed up right now
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snarfed i think i did see one go through though. i'll find it
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KartikPrabhu aah yes, I am not. I have to rework my webmentions thing. too many little issues
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snarfed :P i can commiserate
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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@cstanhope RT @t: First Homebrew Website Club meetup this year is in one week 2014-015 18:30 both @MozSF @EsriPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4Ty1) (twitter.com/_/status/421139884544253952)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/421099696023941120/421139884544253952 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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acegiak_ so I'm writing a blog about the start of my year and I want to link to Monarto Zoo so people can click on it for more information, do I link to their own website or their wikipedia page?
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@kaeff The IndieWeb, or how to redecentralize the web http://www.strehle.de/tim/weblog/archives/2013/08/21/1641 Nice overview and article collection (twitter.com/_/status/421191562224484352)
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Jeena Hm the whole webmention thing is still a bit strange, I send a webmention to http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/10/12/2/indieweb and it shows the <title> of my blog post page but doesn't link back so one could read the text.
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cweiske Jeena, it links on the date
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cweiske but it seems your webmention request is wrong
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cweiske both aaronparecki.com
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Jeena hm perhaps it is just a bug then because it links to its own domain but with my path
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cweiske can you show the POST data?
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Jeena yeah source=http://lala.home.jeena.net:3000/test2&target=http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/10/12/2/indieweb
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Jeena but I assume it tries to read the data from the h-card on my page which only has the name, no url, no photo, etc.
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cweiske maybe aaronpk has a bug there and doesn't like the port or so
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cweiske I mean the link contains the correct path
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cweiske just not the correct host
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cweiske and port
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Jeena yeah, I will test it later again from my real website
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Jeena or, hm my HTML looks like this: <a rel="author" class="p-author h-card" href="/">Jeena</a> perhaps he just takes the / for the author
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Jeena and the port could be the problem with the link back
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cweiske Jeena, your link is totally fine
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cweiske it's aaronpk's job to make it absolute
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Jeena oh ah, and my post url is in u-url too and it looks like <a href="/test2">...
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cweiske why do you put the url to the page itself in the html?
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Jeena cweiske, 1. it has always been done that the <h1> with the title in a blog post was a <a> with the url to itself and 2. I thought this is that u-url was for I thought
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Jeena What am I supposed to do so like aarons page would show the title and also my teaser instead of just the title? I already added <meta name="Description" content="Some new teaser"> but it didn't get posted on aarons website
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Jeena and I also have <aside class="p-summary">Some new teaser</aside>
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cweiske I guess aaronpk has to debug this
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Jeena Ok, my website now also can send and receive webmentions
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@jeena Ok, my website https://jeena.net now also should be able to send and receive webmentions #indieweb http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/421235109837422592)
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@Daviddeweerdt @Asher_Wolf An institutional replacement seems unlikely now. But watch those associated with #IndieWeb. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/indie-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/421277356083265536)
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jonnybarnes hey everyone
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jonnybarnes woo, I can send location data to Twitter
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jonnybarnes though I dislike how they format place names for the UK
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jonnybarnes I do not live in "Salford, Salford"
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: oh cool, you might just be the first person to have successfully POSSEd location data to twitter
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barnabywalters I don’t think anyone’s bothered doing that before. you should note that you’re doing so (preferably with an example) and perhaps the formatting complaints on /POSSE
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barnabywalters add yourself under http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#IndieWeb_examples
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/snarfed_org/421235109837422592/139199211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/421235109837422592/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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tantek wow
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tantek hey chloeweil! have you been lurking in here in IRC often?
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chloeweil tantek, just since yesterday. Need to have IRC open for other reasons so I figured I'd just hang out
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aaronpk cweiske: Jeena: yes looks like a bug with my rendering code
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aaronpk I suspect I don't have the latest version of the mf2 parser that handles resolving absolute URLs
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aaronpk although Jeena my site displays the p-name of a post if it has a title, otherwise it assumes it's a short note/reply and displays the actual content
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aaronparecki.com edited /Events (+434) "/* Upcoming */" (view diff)
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Jeena I see, hm so no summary, I see. Right now I am only saving the title of the website but, I will change it soon and will get everything else too
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@allenbgi RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/421336054356905984)
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+253) "note conflicts April 5-6 and 9-10, thus leaving 4/26-27 as best April option" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.50a.fr/non-classe/internet-des-objets-comment-y-aller-33 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-01-08/line/1389211230 (pingback)
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tantek oh boy, blog posts are starting to cite this IRC channel ;)
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tantek brianloveswords - well it looks like we're down to one good weekend in April for IndieWebCampNYC so shall we start those balls rolling?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/NYC
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tantek April 26-27
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tantek I don't see Jeremy Zilar in IRC but can perhaps ping him on Twitter or email.
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@newrelic RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/421343041358557184)
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@snarfed_org RT @t: First Homebrew Website Club meetup this year is in one week 2014-015 18:30 both @MozSF @EsriPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4Ty1) (twitter.com/_/status/421348883852050432)
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snarfed.org edited /events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (+84) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/421099696023941120/421348883852050432 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@kwugirl RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/421356975142604800)
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@imelven RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/421372558131224576)
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KevinMarks indie post-web? http://torrentfreak.com/how-the-pirate-bay-plans-to-beat-censorship-for-good-140105/
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jjuran KevinMarks: "it will use its own fake DNS system that will link the site’s name to a unique and verified public key."
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jjuran Identity verification instead of address-based routing
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tantek not holding my breath
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tantek and now that I connected my G+ to Bridgy, so much for cross-posting there without consequence!
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tantek snarfed - I really like how Bridgy is kind of a gentle introduction to the (potential and oncoming) spam problem (for all kinds of interactions)
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@foliosus RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/421416888099274753)
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acegiak_ do people have recommendations for hosting services that are relatively cheap/easy for people to set up and get started building a page to get onto the indieweb?
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snarfed sure! http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting is probably a good start
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snarfed the first question i'd ask them is how technical they are and how much code they want to write: some, none, lots?
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snarfed that helps orient on a spectrum from e.g. wordpress.com/dropbox/github pages at the bottom up to a VPS or PaaS at the top
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tantek snarfed - that might be a good question to add to that page in a "Considerations" section
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snarfed sure!
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