#indiewebcamp 2014-01-08
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caseorganic !tell barnaby: happy birthday!
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@tonnet The blog might be dying, but the web's about to fight back http://werd.io/view/52b4abdebed7de800c1e04c8 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/420737963677724672)
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@caseorganic Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://www.eventbrite.com/e/futuretalk-with-amber-case-tickets-10048193417?src=034106012014 (twitter.com/_/status/420738494273576961)
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@CodesLikeAGirl .@ownCloud 6 is super slick! http://owncloud.org/six/ Dropbox &/or Google Drive users, I highly recommend switching. #ownYourData (twitter.com/_/status/420740458453561348)
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@MadHatterish RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420742957788962816)
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@ScottRMcClure Check "@caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/Kzpx0olRRw" (twitter.com/_/status/420747783545430017)
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@darinrs RT @ScottRMcClure: Check "@caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/420752028483067905)
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@JohnMetta Aaand with that, I have a) Working IndieAuth delegation on my site b) An increased number of beers I owe @donpdonp (I think I'm up to 12) (twitter.com/_/status/420753545558626304)
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@turoczy RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420769796997644291)
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@Design_PDX RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420770139462586368)
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: webmention accpet-header situation fixed. bridgy should not have any trouble now
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@hertling RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420795545007841280)
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@LindaWestonpdx RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420801458959683584)
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@MattSayler RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420802267269177344)
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@kevinmarks @abrams quite a few: freenode, AntennaPod, bbedit, indieWebcamp, http://t.co/zvIU5eGXLR, SwiftKey, flowpast, eventbrite, Hipmunk, yaaic (twitter.com/_/status/420809233274109952)
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@r1z4t RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420818608889929728)
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 48 minutes ago: are you using WebFinger on your own website? If not, why do you care about it at all? I suggest looking at IndieAuth instead: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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@patrikmalmberg RT @kevinmarks: “It’s tempting to predict that 2014 will be the year the megaplatforms begin to falter.” http://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/the-year-the-platforms-ruled-the-internet #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/420868749303250944)
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jonnybarnes does aonyone here include location info in their notes?
# jonnybarnes would their be anything wrong with just marking up geo data with <wrap class="h-geo">...</>?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: if all you have is lat/long, h-geo works. if you have an address or a “place” then h-adr or h-card are more appropriate
# barnabywalters if publishing the location of a h-entry, you can use the p-location property too
# jonnybarnes I'm working out how to add location info to me notes, so initially via javascript you get lat/lng values
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# jonnybarnes then if I want to turn that into a "place" so my note can end withs something like "3 hours ago in Manchester, UK"
# jonnybarnes then how would I mark up manchester uk
# jonnybarnes and the other issue is reverse geocoding isnt the most reliable in terms of the format of the response given
# jonnybarnes at the moment I'm making a request to Google Map's reverse geocoding API, and taking all the different values of "formatted_address" and putting them as options in a select element in the new post UI so I can pick the most appropriate
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@ade_oshineye Angelus Novus As A (Decentralised Federated Standardised Open IndieWeb) Service (twitter.com/_/status/420938463635324928)
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: this is the code I use for using Nominatim to turn a lat/long into mf2 h-adr structure: https://gist.github.com/barnabywalters/8318401
# barnabywalters I’ll turn it into an actual package later on today, it’s been working well enough
# jonnybarnes what syntax is ?: null
# barnabywalters it’s a compact form of the ternary operator
# jonnybarnes is that ? acting as a ternary operator
# barnabywalters yep, except it returns the first argument if it’s truthy, falling back to the second
# jonnybarnes yup, makes sense now :)
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# jonnybarnes now my only other problem is I can't currently use nominatim :(
# barnabywalters see also http://indiewebcamp.com/Nominatim for a prose spec version of that
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: why not?
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# jonnybarnes well, atm moment I'm doing the reverse geo-coding client side
# jonnybarnes and my site is on HTTPS, so an XmlHttpRequest to nominatim gets blocked by mixed-content rules
# jonnybarnes becase there is no https://nominatim..
# barnabywalters ah, that’s irritating
# barnabywalters you could make a proxy endpoint
# jonnybarnes but I still want to do it client side to confirm its the right address before posting
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@Peasquared RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9… (twitter.com/_/status/420940367869906944)
# jonnybarnes yeah, my site is already on nginx so I was thinking of adding location /nominatim
{ } to the config# jonnybarnes anc putting the releavent proxy rules in there
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# jonnybarnes that should hopefully work
# barnabywalters oh yeah that could be an easy solution
# barnabywalters morning EHLOVader
# jonnybarnes then theres the other issue of counties being hopelessly wrong in OSM
# jonnybarnes like manchester addressing being in Merseyside
# jonnybarnes nooo
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EHLOVader it is an ansible playbook https://github.com/al3x/sovereign
# jonnybarnes what does ansible mean?
# jonnybarnes looks interesting
# jonnybarnes atm im using owncloud but it doesnt work properly
# jonnybarnes it wont self-update, at all
# jonnybarnes yeah, it uses angualar js but somethings gone wrong on the update page
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# jonnybarnes so none of the buttons do anything
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: I’ve found being able to tweak my location on a map by hand *really* useful (example on http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new)
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# jonnybarnes not really, but i think that was doe to having several SSL vhosts on my vps, so occassionaly connections to https://cloud.jonnybarnes.net/ were getting the wrong SSL cert
# jonnybarnes so I moved it to its own droplet
# jonnybarnes yeah, I just use startssl certs
# jonnybarnes digitalocean.com
# jonnybarnes but it still doesnt really work properly
# jonnybarnes I only have three certs with them but they all work and were free
# EHLOVader $15/yr LEB from Crissic http://goo.gl/yFlsXr + Free (as in speech and beer) Sovereign http://goo.gl/KoxMDC + Free (as in beer) X.509 + SNI or $$$ wildcard X.509 https://www.startssl.com/ my formula for winning
# jonnybarnes www., cloud. ad piwik.
# EHLOVader I actually got this https://www.ssl2buy.com/alphassl-wildcard.php though, not a startssl
# jonnybarnes that looks pretty decent, it also does the root domain
# jonnybarnes when I was looking for wildcards they would never do the root domain as well
# jonnybarnes when it works :P
# jonnybarnes yeah, browsers always worked fine, but certain calendar software didnt
# jonnybarnes it was also because my nginx configs weren't optimal, at least not for multiple ssl vhosts
# jonnybarnes barnabywalters how do you get the marker to stay still?
# jonnybarnes my particular issue was getting PFS on my root domain by adding default to that vhost block
# jonnybarnes I think that may be the reason the cloud subdomain wasnt working
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: the code is in http://waterpigs.co.uk/js/app.js, line 237
# barnabywalters feel free to reuse/adapt
# jonnybarnes not sure about the sla
# EHLOVader these are the VPSes I have collected, all LEB deals, so far so good https://gist.github.com/EHLOVader/eb857b552670e21f8849
# jonnybarnes thanks barnabywalters
# jonnybarnes we came up with the same solution to giving LatLng values to leaflet :)
# jonnybarnes barnabywalters I dont think the popup box is all visible
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: yeah, I haven’t figured out why that is yet
# barnabywalters but it’s sufficiently visible to be usable
# jonnybarnes how about trying a taler height to see if the popup becomes more visible? changing the height in FF's inspector tools makes the map taller but the marker doesnt change position
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: well really it needs to have a solid background colour, but bizarrely I haven’t been able to give it one
# barnabywalters it looks completely different to the leaflet popup example styling
# barnabywalters despite all my stylesheets and js being up to date
# jonnybarnes making the map taller at least makes the text visible: http://imgur.com/YBlE4J9
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: indeed, but the popups should look like the demo ones on http://leafletjs.com/!
# barnabywalters which would solve the height problem by being wider and closer to the marker
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# jonnybarnes I just borked FF
# jonnybarnes by adding a popup that pushed the marker down, and setting a map move function to move the marker to the center.
# jonnybarnes well...
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: yep, I had that problem too. see http://waterpigs.co.uk/js/app.js line 232
# barnabywalters autoPan: false
# jonnybarnes thats partly why your missing some of the popup text. the js want to relocate the map to fit in the popup and your stopping it
# jonnybarnes i still down know why your popup isnt being styled thouhg
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aaronpk barnabywalters! I just saw your note posting interface http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new
# barnabywalters micro pub so you can use it to post on your site?
# barnabywalters oh cool
# barnabywalters I am actually moving towards a similar approach to p3k, with one endpoint for the creation of all new posts
# barnabywalters can I discover your micropub URL when you log in using indieauth?
# barnabywalters ooh I can indeed
# barnabywalters <link rel="micropub_endpoint" href="https://aaronparecki.com/api/post">
# barnabywalters ah, so I need to implement some sort of indieauth oauth thing
# aaronpk yep it's all here: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
# aaronpk for example, you build the authorization URL https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php#building-the-authorization-url
# barnabywalters hm is it really necessary to fetch the page multiple times for all the different endpoints
# barnabywalters ah, using static properties — I’m not used to using them, didn’t notice them there :)
# barnabywalters very cool indeed
# barnabywalters so now servers can make indieauth-authenticated + authorised requests on our behalf
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# barnabywalters so for all of this to work securely we all need to be using https for our sites, correct?
# barnabywalters do we have a wiki page about that?
# barnabywalters /https is empty
# barnabywalters /Apache doesn’t have anything about https on
# barnabywalters so /https should have overview, pros/cons, software-agnostic tips
# barnabywalters and then a “how to set up HTTPS on your site” section on each web server implementation page
# aaronpk and also a link to https://ssl.pin13.net/indiewebcamp/ for getting *.dev certs for testing locally
# barnabywalters so at this point I need to admit that I know absolutely nothing about https and defer to more knowledgable people
# barnabywalters I’ll be the newbie learning how to implement HTTPS *from* the wiki pages :)
# barnabywalters Zegnat: sounds like a good tip! care to add it to the stub page? http://indiewebcamp.com/https
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# barnabywalters aaronpk: so what’s the process for fixing that, ringing up apple, microsoft, mozilla and google and asking them to add your root cert?
# barnabywalters oh interesting — how?
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# jonnybarnes theres an article on konklone.com about ssl
# jonnybarnes that I found informative
# barnabywalters aaronpk: adding the link to your signing utility along with the explanation of why it’s useful would certainly be a good addition to /https though
# jonnybarnes yup, thats the one
# jonnybarnes I think in general startssl would be best to talk about o the wiki primarily because they're free
# jonnybarnes so its easier for people to try out
# jonnybarnes but the overall idea of ssl seems so old-fashioned to me. Why can't we have a WoT system for ssl certs? and thus bypassing root certificates
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aaronparecki.com edited /https (+1542) "links to places to get certs, and info about testing" (view diff)
# jonnybarnes have you guys seen howsmyssl.com?
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: that looks like a handy tool, maybe add it to /https
# jonnybarnes well, its tangentially related
# barnabywalters I wonder how tricky it would be to create a similar site but for testing an implementation
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: well, if your browser is vulnerable then you’re compromised regardless of how well set up your server is, so I’d say it’s fairly relecant
# barnabywalters s/relecant/relevant
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# jonnybarnes.net edited /https (+157) "how to make Firefox perform better in howsmyssl.com" (view diff)
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# snarfed late to the party, but just fyi all, globalsign offers free wildcard ssl certs for open source projects: https://www.globalsign.com/ssl/ssl-open-source/
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# jonnybarnes so does aaronpk post notes through an API?
# aaronpk but my pushups app uses it https://github.com/aaronpk/PushupCounter-iOS
# jonnybarnes interesting, and you were saying if before with barnabywalters, if we all used APIs we could post to our own sites off each others UIs?
# jonnybarnes wouldn't we all need to use the same API though?
# jonnybarnes wow, fascinating
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# jonnybarnes finally have a somewhat working version of location data on my notes :)
# jonnybarnes I just need to work out how to send that to Twitter. If you just send LatLng values to Twitter will they automatically change that into a place name or not?
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@offrayLC GalerÃas en @GetNikola unido al control de versiones: http://mutabit.com/mutabit/static/personas/offray/blog/output/galleries/objetos/grafiti/ #IndieWeb + #Python + #FossilScm (twitter.com/_/status/420999203054051328)
# jonnybarnes does Loqi have a rate-limit of how many tweets she'll post here?
# jonnybarnes lol
# aaronparecki.com edited /https (-15) "apparently github does redirect to non-ssl sites. must have been thinking of something else." (view diff)
# jonnybarnes talking of https, does anyone know if nginx will support spdy/3 anytime soon?
# jonnybarnes it supports spdy/2
# jonnybarnes but not spdy/3
# EHLOVader have you heard of http://www.whynopadlock.com/
# jonnybarnes.net edited /https (-462) "Lets keep the nginx instructions on the nginx page" (view diff)
# jonnybarnes bear, hows that. Ill add my php5-fpm note to the nginx page now :)
# EHLOVader do you all know of any linux packages that offer services like these? http://www.google.com/intl/en/about/products/
# jonnybarnes in fact, there's currently nothing about using PHP with nginx
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# jonnybarnes well this is almost an embarrassing read: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/101ccb2a-779f-11e3-807e-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fcomment%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct&siteedition=uk
# jonnybarnes as if appliances will bitch to each other in the future
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# KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: behind paywall?
# jonnybarnes oh, I though people got 8 free articles a month
# KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: oh sorry. Only sign-up required
# KartikPrabhu is this supposed to be satire? If not, its is pretty mindless article
# jonnybarnes I have no idea, the FT don't normally do satire
# jonnybarnes they're normally quite serious about things
# jonnybarnes I think the author, in story form, is expressing his uneasiness about everything being networked
# jonnybarnes but its not the networking itself thats the problem, its all the data it produces
# jonnybarnes we've already seen this past year people like the NSA love data!
# jonnybarnes tantek, do you think we could ever have an internet of things?
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# marcthiele tantek, we met briefly in Brooklyn and I was asking Jeremy how to contact you the best way. He said best is IRC. So here I am for the first time after using my C64
# marcthiele I started telling you about Bastian and that he wants to run an Indie Web Camp around beyond tellerrand in May.
# marcthiele not usin my C64 at the moment. But still have it build up right behind me. 2400 baud are way too slow I have to admit.
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# marcthiele Bastian Allgeier.
# marcthiele (and http://thenittygritty.co/the-future-of-the-web-a-draft before this one above)
# EHLOVader I bet the C64 could handle irssi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7YPwls1m9Q sort of
# KartikPrabhu about internet of things: here is a good short fiction exploring the idea http://optional.is/required/2013/12/11/spimes-a-happy-birthday-story/
# KartikPrabhu overlook the few typos that still exist
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tantek is the http://thenittygritty.co/ a magazine site?
# marcthiele His own site is http://bastianallgeier.com/, but I thought the blog posts are more relevant for you.
# tantek anyone, step 0, get him to join the channel, per http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started and then folks here can help get on the indieweb.
# marcthiele True, but to let more people know about it, I think it is also important to run the camps, isn't it?
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# EHLOVader reminds me of this tantek http://carl.flax.ie/dothingstellpeople.html
# tantek marcthiele - so let's start with this - add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
# KartikPrabhu EHLOVader: nice link on 'doing'...
# marcthiele Great. Thanks for a starting point. Have to take care of the kids and get them to bed now, but back later (and after I added myself and todl basti to do so).
# marcthiele be sure!
# EHLOVader Ze Frank :: brain crack http://youtu.be/0sHCQWjTrJ8 < explicit | PG >http://youtu.be/rDHb3vC9OmE
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# jonnybarnes yup
# jonnybarnes how much does that cost aaronpk?
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KevinMarks realised he wasn't in IRC-people
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# marcthiele.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:marcthiele.jpg]]""
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# marcthiele.com created /User:Marcthiele.com (+448) "Created page with "[[Image:marcthiele.jpg|right|200px|Marc Thiele]] = Marc Thiele = beyond tellerrand founder * http://marcthiele.com (relaunch in progress) * http://beyondtellerrand.com * [http:..."" (view diff)
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# marcthiele The desctiption for registering a nick on http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC is slightly wrong. It also needs "email" as a parameter to register your nick
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# marcthiele done
# tantek reminder: one week until the next Homebrew Website Club meeting! next Wednesday in both SF and PDX: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club
# peat.org created /User:Peat.org (+101) "Created page with "Nerd about town. Startup aficionado. Usually located in or around Portland, Oregon. http://peat.org/"" (view diff)
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# marcthiele also done adding myself. Proofed again that I am so bad at writing about myself.
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# KevinMarks hm. https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2014/1/8/json_schema_for_heroku_platform_api has a JSON scema for the API that isn't readable by a browser.
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# KevinMarks not quite XMDP
# KevinMarks I should get JSONtoXOXO back up
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# KevinMarks I had both ways working before, yes.
# KevinMarks I found the jsontoXOXO handy for reading arbitrary JSON APIs
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# KevinMarks massive UX fail du jour: if you lcik on the 'save' button on https://code.google.com/apis/ajax/playground/?type=visualization when not logged in, it logs you in and deletes your edits
# KevinMarks google reduces rel="author" SERPs by 15% http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/google-authorship-nj?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
# KevinMarks "The emphasis doesn’t seem to be on the authors themselves, but rather on the authority of the sites they’re writing for"
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@benwerd Brid.gy is an awesome tool that links the IndieWeb with silo networks https://www.brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/421063912574840832)
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@erik_paulson RT @benwerd: Brid.gy is an awesome tool that links the IndieWeb with silo networks https://www.brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/421065111223025664)
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@snarfed_org RT @benwerd: Brid.gy is an awesome tool that links the IndieWeb with silo networks https://www.brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/421066511457865728)