#indiewebcamp 2014-01-13

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bear the hardest part of writing helper libs is knowing what intermediate data to bubble up to the caller's layer
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bear like for relme - does a caller need to be able to see how many redirects were found for each possible rel=me target found in the profile and also in the resource page
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bear is talking out loud for his own sanity
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Loqi [mention] http://www.lahtela.com/hueman-theme-google-authorship-hatom-wordpress/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-entry (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.lahtela.com/hueman-theme-google-authorship/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-entry (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.lahtela.com/hueman-theme-google-authorship/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-entry (pingback)
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@FiitriaS http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01 (twitter.com/_/status/422610868212207616)
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bear.im edited /rel-me (+295) "/* Implementations */" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /projects (+481) "adding Hakkan project" (view diff)
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bear.im created /Hakkan (+1176) "initial project page dump" (view diff)
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bear ok, relme working but I'm worried it might be too simple :/
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Jihaisse Hello
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bear hello Jihaisse
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@BobJonkman #POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/422664144920125440)
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@SwissGator Big Data + Big Pharma = Big Money http://ow.ly/sv9TN via @ProPublica EXACTLY why we need @SwissHealthBank #ownyourdata #rewardinghealth (twitter.com/_/status/422761046789873664)
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@nymnotinservice RT @bobjonkman #POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/422768995817648128)
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@nymnotinservice I'd claim this is what the "POSSE" in my #domainname means if I'd not already said it's plural for "possum": http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/422771519509377024)
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Loqi [mention] http://psdinhtml.com/launching-maker-party-2013/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013 (pingback)
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snarfed hah, funny. this tweet contains the text '(e.g. subtitle)', so bridgy interprets it as a permashortcitation and tries to send a webmention to http://e.g/subtitle
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snarfed https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/422803893031272448
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Loqi https://twitter.com/jkphl :: @NamelessCoder Is there any way of rendering fluidpages record values to the page backend module (e.g. subtitle) similar as /w fluidcontent?
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/#twitter-jkphl
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aaronpk snarfed: it shouldn't do that unless it's at the end, and should only match http://*
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snarfed hmm. i followed http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitations and e.g. tantek's examples, which don't use http://
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aaronpk oh sorry right
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snarfed but you're right about the end part
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aaronpk see: http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery
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aaronpk section under "The specific format of a parenthetical permashortlink citation is:"
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aaronpk e.g. shouldn't match a domain name regex cause it ends with a "."
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aaronpk "e.g" may match a domain regex though
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snarfed agreed
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aaronpk although actually there aren't any one-char TLDs, is that a thing?
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snarfed iirc either leading or trailing periods (or both?) actually may be valid in domains. not sure
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aaronpk what? how?
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snarfed no clue. just a vague memory
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snarfed i suspect single char tlds are valid in the spec, even if none actually exist
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snarfed regardless, i can definitely tighten up my handling. i haven't pushed hard on the permashortcitation handling, since so few people used it
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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snarfed morning!
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tantek aaronpk, x.com
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tantek or did you mean .x ?
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snarfed .x
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snarfed we've been laughing about this: https://www.brid.gy/#twitter-jkphl
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tantek snarfed - I don't understand that thread at all
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snarfed we're laughing that bridgy incorrectly interpred (e.g. subtitle) in a tweet as a permashortcitation
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tantek whoa this? "(e.g. subtitle)"
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tantek reads logs
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snarfed yup. entertaining :P
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tantek from http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitation:
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tantek "at the **end** of tweets or Facebook posts"
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tantek that should help
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snarfed yes. aaronpk pointed that out, i acknowledged
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tantek keeps reading logs ;)
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snarfed heh
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@timorich @CedrickMay Maybe something you'd be interested in? http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (twitter.com/_/status/422817331488632832)
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jonnybarnes what IRC bouncers do people here recommend?
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_6a68 jonnybarnes: fwiw, i actually do not use an IRC bouncer. I use IRC as office hours, people can email me if they need me otherwise.
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@leftieFriele adding personal URL shortener #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/422829778568507392)
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bear jonnybarnes - I use ZNC by way of IRCRelay.com - got tired of maintaining my own ZNC instance
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jonnybarnes thanks bear, will have a look at that
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jjuran A dot at the end of a domain name means it's absolute, whereas resolution of foo.bar might search under your default domain name.
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snarfed thanks jjuran!
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aaronpk oh wow, TIL
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aaronpk now I understand why I have to enter a trailing dot in my bind config
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tantek jjuran which spec is that from?
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jjuran I don't remember, but I'll look for it.
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bret Does anyone know of a mobile browser friendly code editor library
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tantek.com created /events/2014-01 (+134) "stub due to a link from twitter" (view diff)
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bear jjuran tantek - page 7 of rfc1034 describes it - http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1034
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-01 (+17) (view diff)
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jjuran thanks
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bear yw
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tantek fascinating
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tantek does this mean that all the ".com" links on pages can be hijacked by an intranet that hosts its own local domain and a "com" subdomain on that local domain?
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tantek or s/intranet/DHCProutercaptiveportal
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aaronpk that seems likely
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aaronpk i've had that happen on a local network before
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bear that can be done just by running your own dns resolver and having dhcp enforce it
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aaronpk oh yeah even easier
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aaronpk well that's basically how wifi captive portals work anyway
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bear and with some work, you can even just have your edge router forward all dns to a server and it just spoofs whatever dns server you *thought* you were working with
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bear nods
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tantek does that mean wifi captive portals won't intercept links to domains ending with a "."?
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aaronpk they can just do that by giving their own DNS response
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tantek e.g. if I link to tantek.com./
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tantek ohok
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bear depends on how well they read the spec :)
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tantek heh
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tantek will have to now try this on various captive portals to see what happens
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bear nods
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tantek needs a coffee from starbucks soon anyway ;)
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bear hahaha
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aaronpk wow these URLs look really weird http://indiewebcamp.com./why
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tantek yup
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vrypan As mentioned already, a malicious DNS server can resolve anything to anything it wants.
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vrypan The only problem would be that defining an alternative authority for .com for example would just break so many services for your users.
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squeakytoy So, i just did some calculations and apprently, I have to ask for 55195.54 US Dollar for a kickstarter project
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EHLOVader your project? or to donate/purchase from a project?
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neuro` squeakytoy: what's your project?
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EHLOVader I didn't see any past talk on it
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squeakytoy I am getting old, and YOLO right? Game community
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neuro` YOLO and not for long, they saiy
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squeakytoy It will fail miserable
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squeakytoy y*
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squeakytoy But I owe it to myself to try
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bret Get started on what you can without the money so that it has a chance of not failing
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EHLOVader Even if it sucks you will have more experience than the other person who was waiting to implement thier's perfectly squeakytoy
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squeakytoy bret, thats an interesting topic tho. Indiegogo has a flexible mode too. Meaning, even if you dont get the full ammount (55200 USD for me) you still can get whatever you got
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squeakytoy bret, i havent decided if thats good or bad
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bret squeakytoy also take into account thinks like this: https://static.pinboard.in/prosperity_cloud.htm https://blog.pinboard.in/2012/12/the_pinboard_co_prosperity_cloud/
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squeakytoy so, 55200 USD.. if to support the project would cost 10 USD... then I need to find 5520 people. Tahts maybe not so far fetched, hm, hm
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bret s/thinks/things
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Loqi bret meant to say: squeakytoy also take into account things like this: https://static.pinboard.in/prosperity_cloud.htm https://blog.pinboard.in/2012/12/the_pinboard_co_prosperity_cloud/
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bret "In 2012, Internet thought leader Maciej CegÅ‚owski rocked the startup community with his provocative slogan ‘Barely Succeed’, challenging prospective entrepreneurs to reject the lottery culture of Silicon Valley in favor of small, sustainable projects that could give them a more realistic shot at financial independence."
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squeakytoy uhu
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squeakytoy uh hu
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squeakytoy uh huh*
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_6a68 nothing worse than being called an "internet thought leader", heh
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bret yeah, that was a little weird, but the idea seems like an apt response the feeling of 'you need how much to do what on a computer?'
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bret I had an idea for crowd funding open source projects when sitting around today. Modest financial goals, that when met, unlock newer versions of the project.
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bret Patch 1.x will release when $100 have been donated by the community
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aaronpk that sounds like blackmail haha
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bret Some kind of timeout period could also be used
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bret IE after a week it just drops
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bret you could carry over excess funds to the next patch
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bret it assumes some amount of popularity to the project though
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upon2020.com edited /events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (+87) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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jernst Tried to log into indiewebcamp.com. Had difficulties. Manually fixing the redirect URL to use https instead of http for Twitter worked. Perhaps there's a regex somewhere that can add a s? #isthisthebugfixdepartment
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tantek jernst - it's a security feature
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jernst tantek - the http or the https?
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tantek https
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tantek being required
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aaronpk which means that error needs to be surfaced better in the UI
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tantek aaronpk - this should at least be an FAQ on the wiki
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tantek it comes up frequently enough
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth#FAQ
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jernst I'm not understanding. On my page, I specify https://twitter... but somehow it showed up without the s in the URL?
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aaronpk that would be easier yes
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tantek aaronpk - an FAQ is a good start :)
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aaronpk it certainly is FA
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benwerd bret: I'm pretty sure that open source crowdfunding site actually existed! Struggling to remember its name
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+331) "/* FAQ */ Why is Twitter not working" (view diff)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Why_is_Twitter_not_working
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jernst tantek: that does not seem to match my problem: http://upon2020.com only has a rel=me to https://twitter.com/Johannes_Ernst, but as soon as I get to https://indieauth.com/auth?..., the https has turned into a http in the URL
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tantek oh that's odd jernst - aaronpk might have a better answer to that
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aaronpk hmm, unsure exactly. could you add more info in an issue here? https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues
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brianloveswords tantek: I saw you mentioned me the other day but my bouncer did a bad job of keeping track of what you said!
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jernst aaronpk: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/45
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tantek brianloveswords - IndieWebCampNYC!
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/NYC
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brianloveswords tantek: Ah yes!!
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tantek looks like we have narrowed down to a preferred date
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tantek 04-26..27
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Loqi !calc 04-26..27
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tantek now we need to coordinate with Jeremy at NYT for space
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tantek and you said you could help with sponsorship for food etc from the Moz side right?
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brianloveswords tantek: yep, I'll try to get in contact with the right people for that. 4/26–27 works for me, but we could potentially get a bigger crowd if we did 5/3 & 5/4 – EmpireJS is 5/5 & 5/6
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brianloveswords I don't know if you want to push it into May, though.
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tantek hmm
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tantek well I can't make it myself
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tantek have tentative plans to speak at a different conf 5/1-5/2
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tantek and usually for indiewebcamps it's good for organizers to be there *at least* the day before
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brianloveswords Ahh that'd be a bummer if you couldn't make it. I think we can probably stick with 4/26 & 27, then. I think we can get a good enough crew of locals & semi-locals.
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tantek I think we'll likely get a pretty big crowd with them anyway
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tantek plus some folks might even come over from Europe - since NYC is easier (than PST) to reach from EU
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brianloveswords True, that'd be great!
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brianloveswords tantek: filling out the sponsorship form, do you have a ballpark number of attendees based on past experience?
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tantek we should do that based on capacity
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tantek I bet we will fill it up
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Loqi agreed.
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tantek lol
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tantek (I think our capacity for the venue is somewhere between 50-100 - need to confirm with Jeremy)
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brianloveswords Okay! I'll give that range, should be fine.
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tantek cool!
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KevinMarks reads scrollback
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bnvk Who are the most active London IndieWebbers out there?
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tantek tommorris
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tantek hadleybeeman is active here time to time too
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bnvk cool, I figured tom, but forgot about hadley- thanks ;)
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KevinMarks is in London sometimes (3x between july and dec)
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bnvk KevinMarks: so not in the middle of March, noted!
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KevinMarks I meant last year. I will probably make a few trips this year too, though nothign like Hadley's travel patterns
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bnvk hehe
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bret caseorganic, I can't make it to the talk tonight :( Have some issues with where I am living and have to go to an unfortunately scheduled hoa meeting
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bret im super bummed about it
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aaronpk oh noes!
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aaronpk well I am recording it so will try to post the video somewhere shortly after!