#indiewebcamp 2014-01-14

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bret that would be super great aaronpk!
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tommorris bnvk, tantek: thinking it might be fun to have a London homebrew website club/indieweb gathering
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bnvk tommorris: that could be rad! Have you ever done any speaking?
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tommorris bnvk: lots. BarCamps and other conferences
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bnvk tommorris: cool, any thinks anywhere?
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caseorganic bret: darn! it's ok! it's the talk i gave at keeping it realtime
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tommorris bnvk: can think of lots of places to host, but need more interest in people attending
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bnvk tommorris: dah, that's what happens when skype and IRC happen at the same time- s/thinks/links
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@schnarfed RT @snarfed_org: https://www.brid.gy/ now copies likes, retweets, etc. to your site as well as comments. Merry #IndieWeb Christmas! http:… (twitter.com/_/status/422902264018112512)
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tantek tommorris - a HWC meetup in London would be great!
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tantek I bet a bunch of people would show up if you planned it well in advance
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tantek e.g. maybe aim for the 29th?
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@brianjesse #Indiewebcamp presentation by @caseorganic (at @NewRelic PDX HQ w/ 5 others) [pic]: http:///login?continue=%2Fbrianjesse%2Fcheckin%2F52d49b88498ee3a629ebade5 (twitter.com/_/status/422912463966048256)
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@fightingmonk Listening to @caseorganic talk IndieWeb, APIs, and keeping things open. Thanks @newrelic for hosting. (twitter.com/_/status/422914165913575424)
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@brianjesse rss and atom "wars" coincided w rise of myspace and facebook - @caseorganic #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/422915893081825280)
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@brianjesse it became so easy to consume, that it led to the decline of creating blog articles - @caseorganic #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/422916840646381568)
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@brianjesse with microformats you can get events to show up correctly in search engines, and RSVP to them via #webmention - @caseorganic #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/422921857096880128)
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@robinsnewswire RT @brianjesse: with microformats you can get events to show up correctly in search engines, and RSVP to them via #webmention - @caseorgani… (twitter.com/_/status/422924701707804672)
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@schnarfed RT @snarfed_org: https://www.brid.gy/ copies comments on social networks back to your web site. Now with webmentions! http://t.co/F4f28jB… (twitter.com/_/status/422951049968635905)
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@jeffreyrbunch @aaronpk: It was great to see you again tonight & chat - keep up the great work at @Esri and on @indiewebcamp! (twitter.com/_/status/422952166483980288)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/newrelic/status/422953317027684353
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Loqi https://twitter.com/newrelic :: .@caseorganic giving her #FutureTalk "Why the web is broken and how to fix it" at our #PDX HQ: https://twitter.com/newrelic/status/422953317027684353/photo/1
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aaronpk room was packed!
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bret sweet pic of the talk!
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bret !tell caseorganic Did you (or aaronpk) tell everyone there about HWC this week? :D
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret I tried to do some recruting at pdxnode the other day but had to leave early
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aaronpk heh totally forgot
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk I was too busy fiddling with the cameras and audio recorder to remember
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bret Is it possible to come early to use the space for some indipendant hacking time?
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aaronpk how early?
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bret 30-60 mins or so
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bret not that early
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bret not a big deal if not
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aaronpk yeah sure
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aaronpk i'll be here
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bret I've been making headway on doing light cms in node/express. I have a model working of flat file storage system using front-matter headers, next is to buld an index
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aaronpk neat!
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bret learning async has been hard, but its cool once I started getting it
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@kevinmarks RT @brianjesse: with microformats you can get events to show up correctly in search engines, and RSVP to them via #webmention - @caseorgani… (twitter.com/_/status/422958157199966208)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/snarfed_org/422067845573259264/422955184512192512 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/https (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/snarfed_org/422067845573259264/422955184512192512 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-01-08/line/1389195655 (webmention)
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@erik_paulson RT @brianjesse: with microformats you can get events to show up correctly in search engines, and RSVP to them via #webmention - @caseorgani… (twitter.com/_/status/422961294611054592)
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Loqi caseorganic: bret left you a message 28 minutes ago: Did you (or aaronpk) tell everyone there about HWC this week? :D
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@JimTyhurst Enjoyed @caseorganic #FutureTalk "Why the web is broken and how to fix it". I like #IndieWeb dev principles. http://caseorganic.com/content/presentations/2014/01/13-1/slides/ (twitter.com/_/status/422964994783719424)
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@kevinmarks @WIRED such bollocks. Note that @rabois refused a long now bet. Apps are just browsers that only work for one web site. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/422994753890680832)
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@ArthurSmid RT @AndySylvester99: Test tweet to see if the URL will be shortened by Social. My source for learning about the IndyWeb: #indieweb http://t… (twitter.com/_/status/423002001534775296)
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@ArthurSmid Web creators building and sharing open web technologies http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/423002312672440321)
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@ArthurSmid Currently not everyone wants to run their own website, partially because it's not clear why http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ (twitter.com/_/status/423002864231788545)
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@ArthurSmid . . . and partially because there's no one-click-install for the IndieWeb. We're solving both of those problems http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ (twitter.com/_/status/423002990383861762)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/423002312672440321/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/423002864231788545/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/423002990383861762/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ (webmention)
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Jihaisse Hello
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@etymancer @caseorganic Thanks for the talk tonight and chat after! Helped me much to gel my last few years' thinks about the web. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423010563392696320)
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@etymancer @indiewebcamp Curious: given the primacy of "one's own domain", what to do about decentralizing DNS? (twitter.com/_/status/423011862813212672)
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hadleybeeman Tantek/tommorris/KevinMarks/bvnk Hello! You rang?
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hadleybeeman I am indeed in London for a few days… though I'm off on Friday again til Feb. But in the meantime, is there anything I can help with? :)
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tommorris hadleybeeman: we were mooting a possible homebrew website club for London at some point
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hadleybeeman Oh, fun! I'd be up for that.
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tommorris Hmm. Idea: Hummus Bros in Holborn.
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tommorris We’ve used it in the past for meetups. And it caters for vegetarian/vegan/a fair few allergies.
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hadleybeeman As a meet-up venue? It never struck me as a "settle in" kind of venue. But if they're supportive… why not!
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@remiforall #Alire Comment "se libérer" de Google ? 30 Ways To Leave Google Apps Behind #ownyourdata http://www.fastcolabs.com/3024813/30-ways-to-leave-google-apps-behind (twitter.com/_/status/423045147660525568)
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@c8r10s1t3s #Alire Comment "se libérer" de Google ? 30 Ways To Leave Google Apps Behind #ownyourdata http://www.fastcolabs.com/3024813/30-ways-to-leave-google-apps-behind http://c8r10s1t3s.fr/?p=9018 (twitter.com/_/status/423046619060125696)
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@STuFFk Cc @gigigan RT @remiforall #Alire Comment "se libérer" de Google ? 30 Ways To Leave Google Apps Behind #ownyourdata http://www.fastcolabs.com/3024813/30-ways-to-leave-google-apps-behind (twitter.com/_/status/423052494353481728)
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barnabywalters good afternoon indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters anyone interested in making a bitcoin/dogecoin post tipping thing?
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barnabywalters think “likes” but with internet dollars attached
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voxpelli barnabywalters: Like Flattr but with bitcoin? ;)
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barnabywalters voxpelli: something like that!
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barnabywalters the UI of exchanging BTC/DOGE is generally pretty horrible, with the exception of tipbots
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barnabywalters which are all focused around a particular silo e.g. twitter or reddit
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voxpelli barnabywalters: yeah, a silo-less tipping mechanism would be nice
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barnabywalters in theory an indieweb version would be the same, but our own sites would be the tipbots
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barnabywalters I’m thinking bitcoin: addresses in u-payment or rel-payment links would allow basic URL -> address discovery
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barnabywalters problem with bitcoin: addresses is that if you don’t have a client installed they’re confusing when clicked
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voxpelli we used relpayment at Flattr and I patched it into Gittip as well, documented it on http://relpayment.com/
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barnabywalters voxpelli: oh cool, did not know that — reading
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voxpelli the Flattr browser extensions partly use the rel-payment links to expose tipping possibility within the browser UI
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voxpelli been thinking about making a generic such addon based on the Flattr one
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barnabywalters hm, so you recommend linking to a HTML page — that’s much better than bitcoin: addresses for humans but how would automatic address discovery be done?
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barnabywalters unless we used currency-specific properties/rels, e.g. u-bitcoin-payment, rel="bitcoin"
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barnabywalters or even p-bitcoin-payment
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voxpelli perhaps one could use a standard URL query param?
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voxpelli that's partly what Google did as a fallback for rel-author
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barnabywalters voxpelli: query params inside the link URLs? what would that look like?
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voxpelli Like: http://example.com/cool/path?bitcoin=abc123
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barnabywalters rel="payment" href="http://blockchain.info/address/XXXXXX?address=XXXXXX"
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voxpelli yeah
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voxpelli Somewhat like what Google decided to do: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2539557?hl=en
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barnabywalters it’s a possibility, makes consuming a little more tricky
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barnabywalters looks for a microformats wiki page on payment research
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voxpelli We parsed the query parameters when we consumed the Flattr links
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bnvk voxpelli: are you part of the Flattr team?
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voxpelli bnvk: I was part of the team that built it
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bnvk cool
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barnabywalters hm the payment section on the mf wiki is a little neglected.
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barnabywalters I’ll add a bunch of BTC research and examples to it at hakkavelin
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bnvk barnabywalters: you might wanna checkout Kyles http://www.coinpunk.org
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barnabywalters bnvk: cool, will do — does it doge?
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bnvk nope
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bnvk but for BTC
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voxpelli barnabywalters: there's some interesting payment work at http://www.opentransact.org/ as well
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barnabywalters voxpelli: thanks, reading
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@fightingmonk Apropos to @caseorganic 's talk about #indiewebcamp, this on user annexation. "Buyouts don't win hearts and minds." http://www.exquisitetweets.com/collection/blech/2894 (twitter.com/_/status/423108950293106688)
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@glennjones Finally got #indieweb POSSE for twitter working again on my blog. http://t.co/RlKMusTFRT. Also built tool to inport my full twitter history (twitter.com/_/status/423124416147779584)
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tantek well done glennjones!
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tantek re: http://glennjones.net/notes/2014-1-14
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tantek except perhaps consider zero padding the month for proper ISO? 2014-01-14
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tantek and what happens if you post a second note on that day?
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glennjones Good point about the date, it counts up 2014-1-14-2
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tantek aha
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barnabywalters glennjones: lovely visual design and URLs! nice work
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barnabywalters especially cool that you’ve got some <action> elements in there too!
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tantek yeah! I was going to say. Glennjones, add your post as an example to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#Action_tag_examples_in_the_wild
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@BarnabyWalters @glennjones great stuff! Replying seamlessly via your action element :) #webactions #indieweb (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U4GVb/) (twitter.com/_/status/423129788883402752)
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barnabywalters hm my reply context for that note is looking a little weird http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U4GVb/
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tantek yeah was just going to say!
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barnabywalters especially when it has an author property and everything. going to have to look into that
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tantek but check out that favoriting :D
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Loqi [mention] http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2013/08/23/web-design-conferences-and-events/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2013/08/23/web-design-conferences-and-events/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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tantek again?
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tantek wonder what they changed in that old post
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barnabywalters tantek: thanks! I need to add some icons for the different mention types, and better handle how plain mentions are handled, but overall I’m pleased with the current layout
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tantek I wonder if via rel=me discovery you can determine my actual site rather than my Twitter
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barnabywalters next step is to extend it to include virtual currency tipping (see also: earlier logs)
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tantek yes - saw that earlier in the logs
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tantek or should I say loges
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barnabywalters tantek: shouldn’t be too tricky
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barnabywalters tantek: such dogespeak
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glennjones Yes a few things went wrong with the reply, need to change the url to my domain, not sure about the formating
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barnabywalters oh huh the weird reply context is probably some bug on my end, as it’s using the content of the post as the author name!
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tantek glennjones, regardless, well done with the <action> element also - definitely add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#Action_tag_examples_in_the_wild
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tantek welcome indiewebcamp-vis! use /name yourname here to set your alias
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indiewebcamp-vis @tantek thanks!
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benjaminchait Curious: I’m having trouble authenticating on indiewebcamp.com via my domain. My supported provider (Twitter) is having an error. Can someone point me toward troubleshooting steps?
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tantek what's the error you're seeing? (cc aaronpk)
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benjaminchait twitter.com/benjaminchait There was an error verifying this provider. Confirm you have a rel="me" link on this site pointing to your website.
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benjaminchait I’ve got a link to my domain on my Twitter profile, but haven’t a clue where the rel=“me” comes into play.
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aaronpk benjaminchait: I believe the server is having trouble reading twitter.com getting an SSL error from them
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tantek looks like you have the right code: <a href="https://twitter.com/benjaminchait" rel="me">
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tantek on your home page
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Zegnat Twitter wasn’t working for me either, so could very well be server related
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aaronpk I still don't know what is causing the SSL error
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benjaminchait Gotcha! I’ll sneak another supported provider into place for now.
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aaronpk "SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read finished A: unexpected message" when reading https://twitter.com
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tantek benjaminchait - beautiful photos on your site
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benjaminchait tantek thanks!
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tantek and a very nice clean design. perfect example of how much nicer an indieweb site can look & feel compared to a silo profile.
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@perival Good talk from @caseorganic last night in Portland about @IndieWebCamp, owning your data, freedom to create! (twitter.com/_/status/423140534178181120)
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aaronpk benjaminchait: are you planning on coming to homebrew website club tomorrow? http://calagator.org/events/1250465433
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Jan 15, 6:30pm at Esri R&D Center (aka Geoloqi HQ)
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benjaminchait Hrm — G+ is also having the same error. Maybe an SSL challenge on the authenticator site?
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aaronpk G+ shouldn't be having that issue... might be a different (fixable) one
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Zegnat GitHub worked for me not 10 minutes ago, if you have an account there, benjaminchait
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benjaminchait tantek - genuinely appreciated! I’ve long admired your work (esp Microformats). just moved to PDX, went to Amber’s Future Talk @ New Relic last night and thought I’d explore some more.
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aaronpk benjaminchait: ah your g+ profile needs to have your website under your "other profile" section instead of "contributor to" or "links"
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aaronpk g+ only adds rel=me for the "other profiles"
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benjaminchait zegnat - hurrah, that worked!
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benjaminchait aaronpk - gotcha, changed that on my end — also authenticated via github!
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aaronpk great!
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benjaminchait aaronpk - any objection to adding myself to the 2014 guest list? (looks like it’s just Tantek, Amber and you at the moment—not sure if it’s an “open” invite or whatnot.)
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tantek benjaminchait - awesome! go ahead and add yourself to /irc-people
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aaronpk please do!
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aaronpk we haven't talked much about the 2014 event yet which is why it's just us on there right now
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aaronpk it's an open invite assuming you add yourself by signing in to the wiki :)
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benjaminchait you have dates and a location (“portland”) which is good enough for me!
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tantek speaking of which - any plans for OSCON 2014 proposals?
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tantek I mean OSBridge 2014 of course
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aaronpk I was considering one about OAuth + IndieAuth
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tantek adjacent to IWC2014
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aaronpk for osbridge definitely, but was thinking about trying oscon again. it's been a couple years since I last spoke there
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tantek aaronpk - I leave punctuation off of headings because it uglifies permalinks
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tantek e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#What_is_IndieAuth.3F
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aaronpk oh!
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tantek the .3F makes it a less human readable URL
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek or it looks like "cruft" in the URL which always makes a URL seem less trustworthy
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tantek I'll often repeat the question in the prose immediately following, with punctuation, and perhaps more expressively (since it helps to shorten headings)
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tantek anyway - just a thought/preference - feel free to edit accordingly if you agree
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aaronpk yeah makes sense
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aaronpk alternately could rephrase the header into a statement, such as "Issues with Twitter"
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tantek that sounds more declarative - like something that's a general problem with Twitter, and not specific to the user
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aaronpk hmm
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tantek the question format sounds more inviting to folks that may be having a specific problem / troubleshooting
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aaronpk "Troubleshooting Twitter logins"
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tantek whereas "Twitter issues" - sounds like a problem twitter has to fix
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aaronpk in that case, should add an entry called "Facebook issues" so that they fix their stupid js-only profile permalinks
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tantek yes!
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@DeMadak Ce soir, premiére diffusion en livestream d'un podcast au studio IndieWeb ! #indieweblive (twitter.com/_/status/423175637797335040)
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benjaminchait aaronpk - realize I never responded to your message about homebrew website club. would love to join your next one, but I’m going to be traveling east tomorrow for the remainder of this week.
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aaronpk ah cool. well they are every 2 weeks so there will be another soon!
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jonnybarnes what's meant by a homebrew website?
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aaronpk see: http://tantek.com/2013/322/b1/homebrew-computer-club-reunion-inspiration
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jonnybarnes thanks for the link aaronpk
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Zegnat aaronpk, how is micropub’s “syndicate” supposed to work? Should it both take names to syndicate to and URLs to places the object already exists at?
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aaronpk Zegnat: i'm not totally sure on that yet. i haven't actually implemented that part myself yet, so it's just my guess as to what it should be
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aaronpk but the idea with the parameter is to indicate which silos to syndicate to
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aaronpk so the object wouldn't already exist on the silo
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Zegnat Understood. I was thinking to add some thoughts to the wiki but could run them by you here too.
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aaronpk go for it
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Zegnat First: wouldn’t it make sense for syndicate to take domains (twitter.com) rather than names (twitter)?
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aaronpk probably yes, did that not already get updated?
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Zegnat All examples just use twitter
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aaronpk go ahead and update the page if not
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Zegnat Second: should the server let the client know if syndication succeeded? e.g. by providing the URLs?
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aaronpk i think that's a great idea
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Zegnat Link: <https://twitter.com/xxxxxx>
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Zegnat rel="syndication">
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Zegnat comes to mind
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Zegnat per http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-syndication
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aaronpk that's great
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aaronpk I don't want to require the response body to be in any particular format, so I like putting that in the headers
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Zegnat I agree. This would also be hard to put into the response body, as it concerns external services
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Zegnat I’ll try to get these thoughts on the wiki page soonish, before heading for bed
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Zegnat BTW, it is the foursquare URL here that got me confused as to the purpose of syndication: http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Nested_Microformat_Objects
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aaronpk you're right, that is confusing
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aaronpk so looks like that line was in the very first revision of the page, so chances are I just never got around to updating it later
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aaronpk also the parameter in that example is called syndication rather than syndicate like it is everywhere else
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aaronpk so, disregard that I suppose
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Zegnat ah, I didn’t even notice it used a different parameter! my bad
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aaronpk well, my bad, technically
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Zegnat It is an interesting problem though. Should such a parameter be supported by micropub? E.g. for PESOS implementations where content has already been syndicated elsewhere?
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aaronpk maybe that was my thinking :)
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Zegnat How do you quickly sign a timestamped comment on the wiki? Just write ~~~?
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barnabywalters Zegnat: there’s a signature button in the editing UI which inserts it for you
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Zegnat Thanks barnabywalters, always wondered what that specific button was for
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barnabywalters Zegnat: :)
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Zegnat aaronpk: I think that covers it. Obviously in need of tuning.
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aaronpk awesome, thanks!
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Zegnat I left syndication in (vs syndicate) and chose to document it as a property instead
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Zegnat And with that, I leave for bed. Goodnight all.
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Loqi see you in the morning!
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barnabywalters goodnight Zegnat
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bear hmm, i'm getting an Internal Server error trying to auth using Persona
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aaronpk uhoes
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barnabywalters I started documenting a bunch of tipping and payment UIs over on the mf wiki — feel free to add any other interesting ones I’ve missed: http://microformats.org/wiki/payment-examples
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aaronpk that's not spelled right... "uhohes"
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aaronpk bear: I don't see a recent 500 error for you, can you do it again so it's in the logs?
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bear i'm not even getting to the IW side
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bear persona is giving me an internal error validating my email
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aaronpk oh, if you're getting an error from persona there's not much I can do about that :)
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bear yea, sorry - I was going to follow up with "is anyone else?" and then got distracted by 2 pings and a direct-message
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bear and … now it works - *sigh*
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aaronpk yay internet
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bear I'm reading the micropub page and had a few questions - simple stuf
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bear.im edited /micropub (+225) "/* HTML Head */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /micropub (+32) "/* HTML Head */" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /micropub (+313) "/* Create */" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /micropub (+92) "/* HTML Head */" (view diff)
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bear aaronpk sorry for the odd edit - I realized I was using the signature thingy wrong so changed mine and also adjusted yours
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aaronpk ah cool
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aaronpk ok, this is the time to set the rel value
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aaronpk should I remove the discussion section on it?
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aaronpk i'd like tantek's opinion first. rel="micropub" vs rel="micropub_endpoint" (the former matching the conventions of most other rel values, the latter matching the conventions of the OAuth 2 rel values)
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bear yes, it's confusing otherwise
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bear if you said IndieAuth conventions then I may care, but OAuth… *shrug*
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aaronpk hah. well the whole indieauth thing kind of sits on top of OAuth 2 now
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bear doh!
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aaronpk why reinvent all the wheels?
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bear yet another yak shaving project oh my!
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bear (sorry, was being silly)
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aaronpk ?
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bear agree, if the patterns of OAuth had any exposure or reason to "leak" into this spec I would agree
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jonnybarnes should the micropub spec talk about conflicting info for checkins? i.e. where it talks about using two POSTs. What if I then attempted a checkin but I provided a different telephone number
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bear but since IndieAuth (aka OAuth) is a tool that is orthogonal to micropub (IMO) then it makes more sense to use the patterns that are more appropriate
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bear that technically should be an UPDATE then
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bear if you do two POSTs you should get two articles
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aaronpk the two posts come into play only if you need to first create the venue then check into it referencing the venue URL
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jonnybarnes so does the micropub spec allow for searching already created venues?
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aaronpk not yet. currently it only describes creating things
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jonnybarnes presumably then searching for created places in the pipeline?
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aaronpk possibly
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aaronpk indieweb principle #3: "Build tools for yourself"
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barnabywalters has anyone actually implemented self-hosted venues? i.e. venues with a URL on your domain
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aaronpk so far I have two ios apps that create posts using micropub
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barnabywalters any discussion of APIs to create or search for them is not very meaningful until they exist
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aaronpk my next implementation using micropub will likely be creating photos (PESOS from instagram)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: exactly
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barnabywalters they’ve been on my list for a while but low priority compared to a bunch of other stuff
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aaronpk until I get to the point of building a full checkin backend I don't actually need to search for any existing objects
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jonnybarnes indeed
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barnabywalters notes with maps and addresses via nominatim are good enough for my current casual checkin usage
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aaronpk I'm still fighting whether I should PESOS or POSSE checkins to foursquare. the latest foursquare update that lets your friends check you in means I need to at least be able to PESOS those checkins.
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jonnybarnes that reminds me, I need to look at making a proxy for nominatim
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bear isn't each post a unique url because it is by definition a post?
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aaronpk bear: yes, in what context are you asking?
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bear sorry, the above about identifying/searching
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aaronpk I think he was talking about searching your website for a list of venue URLs so you can provide a venue to check in to
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bear hmm, no … ok, I need to implement more before commenting
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aaronpk :)
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jonnybarnes in the actual checkin you provide a location=http://example.org/venue/ID
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bear yea - was just reaching that question also in my head
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jonnybarnes and aaronpk has already answered
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bear relurks
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jonnybarnes lol
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jonnybarnes random question, which email providers do people use here? I’m currently using FastMail
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bear mailroute
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jonnybarnes though I can’t work out how to implement PGP with them
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aaronpk I use a combination of my own postfix server plus gmail
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bear I use mailroute to handle the sending/receiving and then point it to my postfix install
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bear that lets them handle all the messy internet facing bits
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jonnybarnes either of you use PGP with those set ups?
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bear for sending mail - yes, inside of thunderbird
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barnabywalters I use GPGTools inside mac mail, and my old web host one.com for mail server
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi gute nacht!
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bret bear: are you in the portland area?
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bear bret - no, i'm near Philadelphia
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bear my company is near Portland tho
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bret trying to get more people to come to HWC portland :)
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bear ah
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bear if it wasn't in the evening, I would be going to the NY one
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hallettj A note for those running their own email servers: I think it is very helpful to know about DKIM and SPF. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/180707?hl=en
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hallettj Those are two DNS-based strategies that work together to eliminate from: spoofing.
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aaronpk also check out greylisting
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aaronpk I had the most success with greylisting, eliminating like 90% of the spam I was getting
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hallettj aaronpk: Thanks!
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hallettj Actually this stuff is important for anyone with email on their own domain - even if you don't run the server yourself.
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aaronpk hallettj: want to add that to indiewebcamp.com/email ?
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pdurbin hallettj: but... you can only do so much if someone else hosts your email, right? (on your domain)
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hallettj aaronpk: That seems like a good idea. I will do so.
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aaronpk some of the things are done at the domain level, some are at the SMTP server
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hallettj pdurbin: DKIM and SPF only require control over your DNS records.
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pdurbin hallettj: gotcha
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hallettj pdurbin: Wait, that is not right. You also need to get the server to do the actual signing for DKIM.
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aaronpk SPF is DNS only I believe