#indiewebcamp 2014-01-16

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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/423604747325964288/291363 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@DaleFurse Check out Curse, on sale now at eBook Deals http://www.ebooksoda.com/ebook-deals/curse-book-1-of-the-wexkia-trilogy-by-dale-furse @eBookSoda #amwriting #IndieAuth #ebook (twitter.com/_/status/423606361444741120)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/423604747325964288/423608413524742144 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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silencematters.com edited /2014/NYC (+28) (view diff)
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tantek Woot Jeremy in the house!
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aaronpk what hashtag are people using for homebrew website club?
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aaronpk #hwc?
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tantek oh I don't think we had one
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/01/15/1/homebrew-website-club linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/snarfed_org/423604747325964288/139199211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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bret aaronpk: I still plan on getting there early to help however/hack a little. A little after 5:30?
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aaronpk sounds good
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aaronpk i need to grab some food before I think
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bret Ill just give to a text/call
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bret when i'm outside
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aaronpk great
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tantek checks the hashtag
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tantek haha HotWaterCornbread
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tantek or Health & Wellness Center
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tantek or Hunt Wicked Close
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tantek or Heartland Worship Center
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aaronpk wow
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tantek HandleWithCarePlay
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tantek haahaha: Herd werking Canadian
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tantek ZOMS a hashtag for a hashtag: #herewecome
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tantek and The Highway Code
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tantek oh dear: HOE CRUSH WEDNESDAY
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tantek um what? Homeless World Cup
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rknLA Hashtag Writing Competition
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tantek boom
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tantek rknLA++
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Loqi rknLA has 1 karma
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aaronpk rknLA wins this round
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rknLA :)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/421100477854408704/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek aaronpk - from searching for Homebrew Website Club the predominant hashtag is #indieweb so we might as well just keep using that
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aaronpk heh ok
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aaronpk wfm
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aaronpk were you able to figure out how to send a video URL?
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bret not too many rsvps on the portland side of things, but i had at least two people express interest in coming today, and it looks like a few others are interested in coming next time
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tantek any RSVPs on the calagator?
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bret I dont think calagator does RSVPs
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bret we have gotten some just showing up each time though
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bret aaronpk: running a tad late, leaving now, be there in about 10 mins
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rknLA is #hwc really only expected to last an hour tonight?
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aaronpk they're supposed to be short :)
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@benwerd I'm making 50 pieces of art. Do you want one? #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/im-making-50-pieces-of-art-do-you-want-one (twitter.com/_/status/423634128890626048)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/im-making-50-pieces-of-art-do-you-want-one linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (pingback)
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tantek hey Aaronpk - FYI: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SF
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rknLA excellent. gives me time for gym afterwards :D
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@joshuajuran I'm at @mozilla SF with @t for #indiewebcamp. (twitter.com/_/status/423641829607628800)
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bear is waiting for air mozilla to start
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bret tantek: volume is turned down low, can't really hear atm and aaronpk is in the other room on the phone
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bear sees a logo/splash screen
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aaronpk it's a pretty nice logo though
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tantek bear - that's because we haven't started yet I think
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bear :) just checking
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benwerd Feel like I should have maybe brought a laptop..
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the_merlin man, I hoped to make it, but it is not to be. :(
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the_merlin how's it going over there?
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benwerd Karaoke is about to begin
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bear hears voices!
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bear yes, it's both videos showing
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aaronpk for those of you at home, we're live! https://air.mozilla.org/homebrew-website-club/
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npdoty is en route, on Bart.
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tantek @pius_
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tantek uses yeoman
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edrex ah iz at esri!
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tantek josh juran - has metamage.com
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tantek but moving personal things to jjuran.org
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tantek has a homebrew blogging system
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tantek where he writes in markdown
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tantek gets converted into a web template
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tantek benwerd on the mic
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tantek werd.io
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tantek got his Firefox Social API working!
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tantek primary way that he replies and posts now
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tantek lately he's been working a notification system
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bret i like the new avatar tantek :)
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tantek so that in part you can webmention his home page
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tantek and it will show up as a notification for him
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tantek after that really interested in privacy
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tantek kevin - rknLA
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tantek taking baby steps with his own site
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tantek this year planning to write a blog thing
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tantek experimenting with node and happyjs
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tantek hapi.js
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tantek iterating on some backend stuff
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bear hapi.js is amazing
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tantek using a geologger that aaronpk built
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tantek getting off the ground is his goal for 2014
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rknLA ++hapi
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tantek ryanb - snarfed.org
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tantek current project brid.gy
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tantek interest is connecting indieweb with the silos
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tantek if you post on your own site and POSSE to silos
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bret hapi is great! It powered @walmartlabs on black friday this year. Averaged less than 10% cpu load the whole time
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bear ah - so that is what snarfed looks like!
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benwerd brid.gy is super-awesome
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tantek bridgy will send comments, likes, faves, retweets back to your own site
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tantek pricing it at zero dollars
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KartikPrabhu bridgy++
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Loqi bridgy has 3 karma
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bret bridgy++
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Loqi bridgy has 4 karma
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tantek jernst
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tantek goals for 2014
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rknLA bret: yeah... i have slight conflicts about the walmart thing, but hey, getting them to subsidize open source software is an interesting idea.
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tantek one doable and one impossible
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tantek for his own family this is the year to take the data back home
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tantek took his home server and hooked it up to comcast etc.
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tantek local dns firewall etc.
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tantek with help of the indiebox code
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tantek has put a bunch of apps there for the family
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tantek first bookmarking
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tantek off delicious, using shaarlie for bookmarks
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tantek one command install for indiebox
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tantek next thing he did is owncloud
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tantek family calendar is using his own server
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tantek integrated with all the ipads and iphones in the family
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joshjuran == jjuran
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tantek this has actually changed behavior
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tantek people are now confident that they know what is happening to their data
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tantek people are using it more
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tantek doctors appointments
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tantek also lots more data for amily
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tantek family
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tantek shared documents
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bear shaarli - http://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=php:shaarli
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tantek better than a sheet of paper
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tantek next thing is going to be inhouse email
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tantek to send things to each other without going through an outside provider
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tantek then photos
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tantek one thing he is doing just for his family
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tantek all the stuff that is happening out there
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tantek wants the data at home (literally)
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tantek second goal
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tantek people in this room, people like us
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tantek we have an obligations
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tantek has a blog upon2020
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tantek was/is about what is happening in the year 2020
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tantek not sure what is going to happen in 2020 based on current trajectory
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tantek not so many people have the ability to bend the universe slightly
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tantek the people in this room have that ability somewhat
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tantek we have some obligation here to bend the universe slightly
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tantek let's find like minds
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tantek so we can take big guys out of the picture for ourselves
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tantek really really want to connect with you guys to do something
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tantek real goal is to get a billion households enabled.
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tantek let's do something here
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tantek question from rknla - do you have offsite backups
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tantek jernst: the catastrophe I have now is if google gets rid of all my email
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tantek more likely than my raid array going bad
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tantek what I'd like to see is incremental backup
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tantek to something like Amazon glacier
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tantek with a public key scheme
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tantek lots of tricky problems to solve
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KevinMarks wondering if tweeting this is useful
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aaronpk sure!
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aaronpk can you guys here ok?
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joshjuran Yes
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tantek aaronpk - can you take notes for PDX?
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aaronpk sure
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tantek KevinMarks yes!
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aaronpk bret.io - putting a scanning electron microscope to publish video on the web
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tantek KevinMarks just hashtag #indieweb so that it shows up here too interlaced
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aaronpk also writing a node.js backend for his website parsing markdown files for his website
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aaronpk learning node.js along the way
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@rknLA OH at #hwc "I'm working on putting a scanning electron microscope online using webrtc" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423648978287071232)
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aaronpk edrex:
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aaronpk been doing static sites for a few years. used ikiwiki first git-backed wiki
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pius.me edited /events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (+80) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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aaronpk working with couchapps, new client-side implementation of couchdb
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aaronpk eric.pdxhub.org
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tantek do you own pdxhub?
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aaronpk yes
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tantek sounds like a community site ;)
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aaronpk working with lauren on a collaborative creating writing platform (a silo, but uses couchdb and the whole app is replicatbale)
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rknLA "PDXHub is a volunteer-operated technology cooperative supporting Portland and Greater Cascadia."
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tantek.com created /falcon (+20) "r" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @edrex: Working on collaborative creative writing - currently a silo, but built on couchdb so can potentially sync (twitter.com/_/status/423649530878640130)
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aaronpk working on syncing data between installs
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aaronpk lauren - not a programmer, working on the content side of hte project
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aaronpk has been using wordpress
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KevinMarks notes that the twitter-handle centricity of noterlive is a problem in this context
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aaronpk pdxxcollective.com - lauren is one of the primary contributors
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aaronpk tom - mathpunk.net - "I have a website on the internet now"
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edrex pillowfork.com is the collaborative writing site, but there's no splash page until tomorrow
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aaronpk It's a VPS, so it's a comptuer that i've never met that thinks about a computer that I "own" but technically rent
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rknLA complete with h-card!
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rknLA (tom's website, i mean)
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@Johannes_Ernst @t's notes of what I just said at Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla SF: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-01-15#t1389840289 (twitter.com/_/status/423650042340048897)
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bret This is aaronpk
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bret WOrking on UI updates to http://aaronparecki.com/
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/11/28/1/github-repo-collections
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tantek spurred by bridgy
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tantek spewing things to his site
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bret in order to handle incoming webmentions form bridy
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tantek also been working on indieauth
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tantek has a couple of iphone apps that he uses
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tantek logged in via indieauth to his own site
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tantek no other parties involved
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tantek have been working on writing that up
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tantek and a library for it
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tantek so others can use it too
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I now have a couple of iPhone apps that login via IndieAuth that will post to my own site without third parties (twitter.com/_/status/423650331437051904)
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edrex pillowfork is an experiment in discoursive social interactions, using content addressable storage
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snarfed spew really is bridgy's forte!
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bret XD
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @edrex: pillowfork is an experiment in discoursive social interactions, using content addressable storage (twitter.com/_/status/423650467093413888)
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aaronpk Q: Of all the homebrew/indieweb things that happened in 2013, what is the most amazing thing you have seen?
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tantek benwerd
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tantek one of the big achievements was that comment thread
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tantek what started as a proof of concept
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tantek became a gateway
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rknLA link to comment thread?
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aaronpk https://eschnou.com/entry/the-first-federated-indieweb-comment-thread-62-24913.html
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tantek http://tantek.com/2013/113/b1/first-federated-indieweb-comment-thread
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aaronpk oops
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rknLA thanks
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the big achievement last year was the webcomment thread that became a gateway to connect people to the indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423650693124489217)
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tantek it really opened the flood gates
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tantek ryan (snarfed) totally agree with that
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tantek hashtags #indieweb and #ownyourdata seem to have spread
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Pius oh, here's the link to the Amazon Web Services provisioner I mentioned: http://pius.me/built/a-yeoman-generator-for-aws
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tantek tons of people have heard of these ideas
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tantek that alone is huge
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tantek brings in a lot of people
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tantek easily googleable
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tantek second what ben was saying
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tantek with replies and now bringing in backfeed from other places
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tantek a wonderful sloppy mess of lots of people in the real world
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tantek brings in
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tantek started small and manageable
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I now have a couple of iPhone apps that login via IndieAuth that will post to my own site without third… (twitter.com/_/status/423651017948160000)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @edrex: pillowfork is an experiment in discoursive social interactions, using content addressable storage (twitter.com/_/status/423651018631827456)
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tantek but now great to bring in unwashed masses
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tantek including eventually we'll have to handle spam
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @snarfed_org: this year lots of people have heard about IndieWeb, now we are connecting to non-coders and have to handle spam (twitter.com/_/status/423651121765548032)
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bret Her is the thread benwerd was referring to: https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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aaronpk thanks bret
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tantek joshjuran: in addition to new tech in 2013
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tantek another thing
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tantek that happened, not done by us
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tantek but people realizing that maybe they need to get off the big data silos
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: this thread of webcomments has become a gateway: https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html (twitter.com/_/status/423651361998135296)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: The number of questions being asked in this community encourage me - do we want unique sites or an indieweb install (twitter.com/_/status/423651540608761856)
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@bretolius RT @rknLA: OH at #hwc "I'm working on putting a scanning electron microscope online using webrtc" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423651702185529344)
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bear defined edges and defined APIs between them - then we can have as many implementations that we need/want and they can be collected as others UI folks deem
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] #indieweb @t: the question "how many implementations do we need?" stumped me. 1 is clearly too few
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Loqi Millions is clearly too many. Thousands! (http://twtr.io/h2JniPdxM4)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: when the building blocks are simple enough that we have thousands of implementations, we have the right building blocks (twitter.com/_/status/423651905920073728)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Thousands mean we have made things easy enough for anyone skilled in the craft to implement. You can't shut down thousands (twitter.com/_/status/423652056730456064)
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tantek bret - RSVPs, events microformats
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tantek (aaronpk?)
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tantek (can't quite hear bret - need you to take notes)
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bret Ack, sorry
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tantek josh - I'm building a web alternative
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tantek jernst - hate it but we gotta do marketing
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joshjuran "The filesystem is the network."
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tantek rknLA - marketing is a good idea, but we still need more in the way of usability to hit the marketing well
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tantek more things like automatic, yeoman style instaserver things
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: If we're going to get to thousands, we are going to need marketing, much as I hate it (twitter.com/_/status/423652661985304576)
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tantek benwerd - strongly agree with rknLA - would add to that the usability of the social layer itself. none of us are typical users and there's a lot to be said for how ordinary people use facebook twitter etc.
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tantek have been kind of a village idiot posting chickens and such and want to keep doing that
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tantek dmose - short question - havent read any of the mailing list
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: The usability of the social layer itself that we are building is key: none of us are typical users. Indieweb needs memes (twitter.com/_/status/423652893787701248)
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rknLA i was just about to say..... THERE IS A MAILING LIST?!
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bret Restating what I wanted to say: I was really pleased at how easy it was to develop on top of the existing indieweb building blocks when helping out on RSVPs and Events
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tantek (there is no mailing list)
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rknLA ;)
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tantek still building a mental model of what the indieweb is about
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tantek if anyone here wants to summarize that
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bear who is speaking?
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tantek understand broad conceptual sense
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tantek but not the concrete goals
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tantek dmose speaking
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aaronpk bear: he's slightly off-screen to the left
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tantek ryan (snarfed)
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tantek indiewebcamp.com/why is the best ansewr
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tantek a few principles - see indiewebcamp.com/principles
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tantek ownyoudata, selfdogfood, rough consensus and running code
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tantek rknLA - looking forward to seeing selfdogfood on a billboard soon
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] #indieweb @snarfed_org: http://indiewebcamp.com/why is the best answer: own your data
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Loqi self dogfood
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Loqi rough consensus and running code (http://twtr.io/h2KJajbvFE)
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tantek just visited the why page and it's really long
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tantek all of this can be summarized in one word, and that's autonomy
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tantek (aaronpk - what's the URL for caseorganic's preso slide with FREEDOM?)
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tantek personal liberty, regaining control
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@Johannes_Ernst #indieweb is all about autonomy. Yes! (twitter.com/_/status/423653378061647872)
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tantek of all the metadata that is created just by living your life
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tantek how that's handled
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aaronpk http://caseorganic.com/presentations/2014/01/13/1/files/slides/?full#52
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tantek the reason I do the geologging on my phoen
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: The usability of the social layer itself that we are building is key: none of us are typical users. Ind… (twitter.com/_/status/423653471481757696)
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KevinMarks (see also http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html and the talk)
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tantek because AT&T already has that data - I don't have that data
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tantek personal freedom
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tantek dmose - the thing I still don't have
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tantek the what
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tantek they why I get
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tantek is this a set of building blocks?
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tantek or is it more than that
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tantek ryan - the single biggest what to start with is POSSE
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tantek social networks are the most obvious and biggest
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tantek have your own domain
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tantek domain is key
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aaronpk what to start with? have your own domain, then POSSE
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tantek can move to a separate website
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aaronpk when you own the domain, you choose who owns it, you can move it to another provider
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aaronpk without visitors needing to know
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @snarfed_org: Have your own domain is key - you can then move it. POSSE is next (twitter.com/_/status/423654021883498496)
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tantek scottbullard.com
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tantek new to this group
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bret Depends on the TLD though, it can become unstable if you choose a weird one
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tantek can bring some marketeer and just some newbie perspective
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tantek going to make an unflattering comparison
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KevinMarks can become unstable other ways
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tantek on the /why page - first several reasons were all fear based
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npd What do we think about shared domains within small groups, families or communities?
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tantek seems to conflict with broad scale billions of households
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aaronpk I would point him to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles which is much more positive
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tantek the groups that most resemble this would be survivalists or preppers
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tantek who are very niche groups
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npd Rather than asking each nontechnical friend of mine to keep up their own
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rknLA npd: sounds like a good idea.
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@_pius Homebrew Website Club #indieweb (@ Mozilla San Francisco - @mozsf w/ 4 others) http:///login?continue=%2F_pius%2Fcheckin%2F52d74e73498e8a04f802703a (twitter.com/_/status/423654322061443072)
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bret IndieSurvivalists :p
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tantek who are very concerned with things that might happen if systems breakdown
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tantek it seems like that's the main thing
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aaronpk also maybe we should move "Focusing on the Positive" up to the top of the /why page
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Scott: The indieweb Why page is mostly based on fear - you look like survivalists or a militia (twitter.com/_/status/423654461341712384)
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bear a slightly unfair comparison as most survivalists have not already had to deal with systems going out of business or closing or losing data
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aaronpk brett - blogged a set of positive reasons
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aaronpk http://www.onebigfluke.com/2012/07/focusing-on-positives-why-i-have-my-own.html
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aaronpk tantek: we've reached the level of maturity that it's time to fliup that. let's put the positives first.
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npd Maybe we could focus on the possible advantages of groups like preppers, without that being the public face
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joshjuran There's a difference between "what if the electrical grid shuts off?" and "what if Google mines our data and gives it to NSA?"
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joshjuran The latter has already happened
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Bret Slatkin encouraged us to have positive reasons: http://indiewebcamp.com/2012/Positive_Arguments (twitter.com/_/status/423654722453917696)
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snarfed Brett Slatkin's post: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2012/07/focusing-on-positives-why-i-have-my-own.html
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KevinMarks the electricity grid has shut off in my house before now...
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bret Decentralization and protocols and federation as good architecture
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bret Distributed information is more resilient
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Bret Slatkin's original positive post: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2012/07/focusing-on-positives-why-i-have-my-own.html (twitter.com/_/status/423655083461865472)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Scott: The indieweb Why page is mostly based on fear - you look like survivalists or a militia (twitter.com/_/status/423655148385501184)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: Bret Slatkin encouraged us to have positive reasons: http://indiewebcamp.com/2012/Positive_Arguments (twitter.com/_/status/423655149660557312)
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tantek aaronpk - motivations - events - to connect people
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: my motivation is not survivalist, but connecting to other people (twitter.com/_/status/423655244464422912)
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bret I do it because its been a fun journey
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bret :)
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tantek jernst - POSSE to banks
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tantek would like some OSS that runs on his server
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: POSSE use case for banks - you send money on your own site between banks, and POSSEs to the financial world (twitter.com/_/status/423655446961209344)
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tantek like a virtual electronic mattress
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bret POSSE to online bank accounts. :D way cool. Maybe simplebank could do that?
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tantek aaronpk - notes?
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aaronpk i'd like my website to be at least as good as paper
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: POSSE banking is like personal electronic mattress. [did Johannes just invent POSSEcoin] (twitter.com/_/status/423655640897425408)
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aaronpk i get a lot of information about my state of mine by looking at my handwriting at the time
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aaronpk (mathpunk.net)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: POSSE use case for banks - you send money on your own site between banks, and POSSEs to the fina… (twitter.com/_/status/423655766344478721)
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aaronpk trivial example: a blog post is chromological. i don't know hwy i want everythong chronological
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aaronpk i'm more interested in writing around a topic
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rknLA re: architecture that the internet will eventually have, i think it's a waxing/waning thing, sort of like mainframes / personal computers / terminals... it was distributed for a while, then consolidated into AOL for a long time, became distributed again with the commoditization of high bandwidth connectivity, and has become consolidated again with facebook
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rknLA / twitter. we'll continue to wax and wane.
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@snarfed_org RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @snarfed_org: Have your own domain is key - you can then move it. POSSE is next (twitter.com/_/status/423655844727640064)
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aaronpk it'd be really great if i could interface with an atbiratry service in a wacky arbitrary way
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@Johannes_Ernst :-P “@kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: POSSE banking is like personal electronic mattress. [did Johannes just invent POSSEcoin]” (twitter.com/_/status/423655869058801665)
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npd indieweb can take advantage of idiosyncratic, sui generis services, rather than lowest common denominator
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @mathpunk: I want my website to be at least as useful as paper - I can tell my mood from handwriting and sketchiness (twitter.com/_/status/423655947572355072)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: my motivation is not survivalist, but connecting to other people (twitter.com/_/status/423655985845379072)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: POSSE use case for banks - you send money on your own site between banks, and POSSEs to the fina… (twitter.com/_/status/423655986877181952)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: POSSE banking is like personal electronic mattress. [did Johannes just invent POSSEcoin] (twitter.com/_/status/423655987841871872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @mathpunk: I don't want everything chronological, I want to make my own piles of information (twitter.com/_/status/423656106461003776)
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aaronpk people will take the tols you give them and use them in unexpected ways
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KartikPrabhu bear: should line 110 here https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu/blob/master/ronkyuu/webmention.py#L110 say discoverEndpoint instead of discoverWebmention ?
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rknLA "most people started using snapchat because they were concerned about persistence of data"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @snarfed_org: people were driven to snapchat by a pain - because they were scared of persistence of data (twitter.com/_/status/423656373164208128)
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rknLA (doesn't snapchat actually keep data anyways?)
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aaronpk "stop worrying about getting other people to stop using facebook. worry about what it would take you to get you to stop using facebook." - barnaby
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bear @KartikPrabhu yes! good bug find
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we're falling into the 'design for the masses' antipattern. Barnaby said build what it takes to stop you using facebook (twitter.com/_/status/423656542886707200)
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aaronpk tantek: "until you get it working for yourself, forget about the marketing"
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mathpunk rknLA: underdeveloped concept-- "provably ephemeral"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: until you have it working for yourself, forget marketing. Build it, do it, only then speak it. (twitter.com/_/status/423656661690384385)
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npd But part of what keeps me using Facebook is that my friends are reading over there
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rknLA is anyone actually doing anything banking-related?
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KartikPrabhu npd: hopefully more POSSE tools should come along. quite a few here working on that
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npd ... so convincing my friends to use some technology for reading is important for me
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rknLA i have a little cash tracking ios app, but i'm using dropbox as a backend for it right now.. :(
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bret rknLA: barnabywalters is doing stuff with bitcoin tip jars
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npd Kartik, yes, absolutely, that makes posse particularly important
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KartikPrabhu POSSE is on my todo-list for 2014
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ApolloLee Mine, too.
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ApolloLee And migration to hyde from WordPress on all of my myriad domains that I update twice a decade.
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rknLA hmm.. yeah, i'm kinda kicking myself for not getting into the whole bitcoin thing,
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KartikPrabhu bear: thanks! just looking through ronkyuu for some guidance for my own webmention module/package.
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bear who ever is adjusting the audio/video for MozSF *HUG*
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rknLA but i think most "typical users" aren't really paying attention to it either.
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ApolloLee Does using IFTTT violate the principles of POSSE?
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bear KartikPrabhu - if you find that changes to ronkyuu will make it useful for you, please do suggest/ask/do changes
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aaronpk mathpunk: throwing things in evernote and twitter favorite (pinboard picks it up it has a link)
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aaronpk planning for interfaces that don't exist yet
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npd ApolloLee, if it works, go for it!
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npd ... though I'd be worried it would be a little brittle
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KartikPrabhu bear: i will definitely. but I want to try my newly acquired (minimal) python skills on this :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want a crowd-sourced product to make this work for people (twitter.com/_/status/423657705040277504)
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bear KartikPrabhu - *nod* I completely get that!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the hard part is the integration, not the hacking. self-dogfood forces us to integrate these pieces (twitter.com/_/status/423657845197131777)
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ApolloLee npd: I was worried about that as well. I played with it for a while on Twitter with #fb and #tb tags for Tumblr & Twitter, but for some reason it doesn't work anymore.
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ApolloLee So, I sort of figured I'd have to code it up myself.
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ApolloLee So, watch out, because I was a music major.
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KartikPrabhu bewnwerd: I seem to have broken something here (http://werd.io/2014/im-making-50-pieces-of-art-do-you-want-one) with my webmention. or maybe it is my own bad implementation of h-entry
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npd ApolloLee, one factor that will matter is whether you're publishing on Twitter first, or going the other direction
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to build a product. I want to make an Altair for indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/423658452301651968)
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ApolloLee npd: with IFTTT, it was twitter first.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I want something for my family. I want to plug it into a wall and have it working. (twitter.com/_/status/423658577078001665)
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KartikPrabhu anyone know of a good python implementation/attempt thereof of a POSSE module?
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ApolloLee I'd like to eventually post on my site and have something update twitter with a short stub.
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ApolloLee I'm caring less and less about facebook, which seems to have purchased upworthy, viralnova, and buzzfeed.
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ApolloLee But, that's just me.
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ApolloLee (btw: anybody have a facebook script that hides anything that contains " {user} shared { whatever } "?)
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ApolloLee is old and cranky.
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club notes (incomplete as I was late) at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2014-01-15.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423659258404552704)
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KartikPrabhu bear++ for the nicely written doc strings in ronkyuu
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npdoty ApolloLee, Twitter had for a while prevented triggers in IFTTT to reacting to tweets
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npdoty ... but it looks like that's recently been re-opened, at least for reacting to your own tweets
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npdoty http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/21/nearly-a-year-later-twitter-triggers-return-to-ifttt-with-official-support/
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tantek aaronpk - please encourage portland folks to RSVP to the wiki page
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bear KartikPrabhu thanks - i find that I need some memory assist when coming back to my personal projects so good docs help
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ApolloLee I should keep my eye on SF Bay Meetups a little more closely.
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aaronpk mathpunk++
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Loqi mathpunk has 3 karma
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KartikPrabhu bear: I see that you donot conform to the pep8 naming conventions. any particular reason or just personal style?
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bear KartikPrabhu - old old personal habits
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bear once I find that the refactoring is happening less - I will normally run the code thru a pep8 validator and make adjustments
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KartikPrabhu how do you feel about having wrapper functions that correspond to pep8? just something I have been thinking
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bear but right now the code changes a lot
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bear I would rather use pep8 if it means more folks using/reading the code
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KartikPrabhu bear: got it. less talk more do... i should start following that i suppose ;)
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bear it's a hard mindset to reach
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bear I find that most of the fine tuning of a lib for publication can sometimes hinder the active development of it
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bear so my rule is anything before version 0.8 is going to be messy
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KevinMarks https://code.google.com/p/google-sgnodemapper/ is handy for caonicalisation
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npdoty https://github.com/ryangreenberg/redlog
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@kevinmarks #indieweb problems of caonicalising what you have read - see SG nodemapper https://code.google.com/p/google-sgnodemapper/ (twitter.com/_/status/423665188659679232)
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tantek SF waves bye to PDX
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aaronpk bye guys!
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@_crossdiver @caseorganic looks like those redecorators struck again... #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423666100421681153)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/snarfed_org/423653210642214914/139199211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (webmention)
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bear KartikPrabhu - I just pushed the bug fix you found and also switched to Pep8 for most of the lib (kept some bear'isms tho)
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KartikPrabhu bear: I never meant to say that you should use pep8. That was just a n00b wondering out loud
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KartikPrabhu i did get an email about the bug-fix. nice how github sends notifications!
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bear KartikPrabhu - :) - no worries, the fact you are looking at my code as a n00b kinda spurred me to switch to it
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@dealingwith @benwerd must we use a webmention to notify you? (twitter.com/_/status/423671900338786305)
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KartikPrabhu bear: forked ronkyuu to play around with changes to implement on my site. will see where it goes
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bear KartikPrabhu - cool! I welcome your thoughts and feedback.
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@sfhostel Learn about IndieWeb and how to create your own space for social networking, FREE meet-ups in San Francisco http://www.rockitcolabs.com/introduction-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423673555721535488)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Homebrew Website Club continued (near Kichi) (at @Westfield San Francisco Centre w/ 6 others) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F52d760fb498e8a04f802adc0 (twitter.com/_/status/423674221597048832)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Homebrew Website Club continued (near Kichi) (at @Westfield San Francisco Centre w/ 6 others) http://t.co/QIQh8qE… (twitter.com/_/status/423674957726756864)
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KevinMarks I was using #indieweb
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aaronpk KevinMarks++ for the amazing live tweeting
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Loqi KevinMarks has 5 karma
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aaronparecki.com edited /Events (+970) "add next homebrew website club" (view diff)
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aaronpk this page is getting ridiculous http://indiewebcamp.com/Events
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snarfed heh
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snarfed sigh, twitter is now 403ing bridgy's oauth requests for new user signup
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snarfed is hoping hard that they didn't shut it down
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@erinjo @benwerd Is this going to be like a postcard chain letter for the indieweb without the postcard? Or maybe you .. http://erinjo.is/2014/benwerd-is-this-going-to-be-like-a-postcard-chain (twitter.com/_/status/423685843572629504)
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bear snarfed - are you making occasional calls to the ratelimit endpoint to see how your doing
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snarfed i back off when i get 429s
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bear nods
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snarfed i'm not explicitly checking the ratelimit endpoint, but i figured that would be enough
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bear status page shows that userstream is having some issues
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bear https://dev.twitter.com/status
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snarfed they shut down another of my projects before for TOS violation, for syndicating tweets - http://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ - and this is similar, so i fear that
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bear ugh
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snarfed ah. this is user signup, not streaming API, but hopefuly tahat's it
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snarfed looks doubtful, rest api status seems ok. investigating more
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bear twitter can really suck for a 3rd party dev
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bret That went super well, had some good discussions after the video link and people are voicing an interested in a HWC hack session on the weekend
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bear wish there was some way to capture some of the after-video sessions
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bret s/an interested/interest
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Loqi bret meant to say: That went super well, had some good discussions after the video link and people are voicing interest in a HWC hack session on the weekend
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bret bear, I can try to capture some on the wiki
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bear nods
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bear it's not that urgent - just curious to get a feel for what are the topics and issues in general
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bret I think we forgot a group photo dang
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bret bear, i need to get them down before they leak out of my head
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snarfed wells fargo CA check routing #: [[redacted]]
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snarfed [[redacted]]
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snarfed account #s:
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snarfed personal checking: [[redacted]]
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snarfed personal savings: [[redacted]]
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bear pokes snarfed
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bear bad cut-n-paste ^^^
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bret ruh roh
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bear someone get the loqi logs edited
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Loqi who, me?
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bret yeah you, dorko
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snarfed hah, crap
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snarfed awful
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snarfed sorry all
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bear who runs loqi?
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bret aaronpk
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snarfed aaronpk
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Loqi lolz
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snarfed not a big deal, i'll freeze them for now
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bear aaronpk - can you do an emergency edit of the logs?
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aaronpk what hi
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aaronpk oh god
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snarfed i'm an idiot
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snarfed no worries, i'll freeze the accounts, no actual danger
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bear snarfed - still better to get them out of the logs IMO
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aaronpk i can delete that from the logs
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snarfed but still. apologies for being a dumbass
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snarfed oh of course
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snarfed thanks man
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aaronpk but that doesn't stop the fact that they were sent to the 69 people in this channel
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bear oh I think we've all done that in some form or another
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aaronpk and may be logged on their computers
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snarfed very true
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snarfed i'll handle that part
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snarfed if you can remove them from the web logs, that's more than enough. i'll do the rest
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bret i have posted passwords into irc on accident
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snarfed sorry for the trouble
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bret no worries
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snarfed heh, yeah
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snarfed thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk i'm gonna replace the line with [[redacted]] instead of actually delete the line
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snarfed sounds good, thanks
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snarfed bleh. apologies again, all. fun with computers!
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aaronpk numbers replaced, but text is retained for posterity's sake
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aaronpk :)
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snarfed heh sure. i'm dumb sometimes, no need to hide that!
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bret snarfed++
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bret :D
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snarfed heh thanks
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aaronpk for future reference, exactly what you did is a very effective way of getting a hold of me
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aaronpk (multiple IRC mentions in a row from different people)
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aaronpk I get push notifications of IRC mentions when I'm afk
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snarfed we figured. thank you for responding!!!
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aaronpk yw
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aaronpk first indieweb chain letter? http://werd.io/2014/im-making-50-pieces-of-art-do-you-want-one
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aaronpk <3
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aaronpk seriously considering setting up a calagator install at events.indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk the /events page is getting long and hard to maintain
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bret :D
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aaronpk then I would have a good excuse to build webmention RSVP into calagator
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bret it might also serve as a good proving ground for a webmention RSVP support PR eventually
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bret exactly
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aaronpk jinx
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aaronpk that sounds potentially more useful than adding better h-event support and rsvp to indienews
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bret aaronpk what irc client do you use again?
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bret i forget the name
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aaronpk weechat
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aaronpk i like it a little better than irssi
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bret yeah honestly looking over your shoulder it appears nicer than irssi
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aaronpk the sidebar with nicks makes a huge difference
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aaronpk also i don't have a very customized weechat setup, but you can go pretty crazy with the plugins
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bret i dont get the big deal with irssi, its really funky... I only like the persistance
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bret I forget the names of the other two people there :(
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bret Need to take better notes next time
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bret bear, put some links up from PDX
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bear \o/
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bear i'm really curious about camlistore
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bear it reminds me a lot about *DAV from the last iteration of the web
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snarfed camlistore is great! the leads are good friends of mine, they're good guys
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bear yea, i've been following their work for a while
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snarfed apologies and thanks again for the dumb move all (bear, bret, aaronpk). accounts frozen, no harm done. thank you for jumping on it!
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bret camlistore seems really awsome, like a more generalized git or something
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bret I really like the idea of separation of data awareness and data availability
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bret my devices should be able to identify what data it has, and where it is also stored, and assert that it no longer wants to store something, but remain aware of where it can retreive it from in the future
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bret git annex does this sort of too
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bear I like that they have made it a generic blob store that has some great sync and mutable features already in place
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bret IE, why doesn't my phone show me all the songs in my music library from home? and allow me to assert, next time you can talk to something that has this, grab a copy!
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bear nods
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aaronpk interestingly you basically described how spotify works :)
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bret except, my own music that spotify doesnt nessisarily have
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aaronpk yes except that
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bret iTunes/iPod is a monoculture, and its bumming me out
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bear I just view it as a better personal data store
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bear what really tickled me was the blob signing
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bear and that it's chunked already - so the implementation across devices is already resource friendly
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snarfed yeah, they tend to work bottom up, so the UX/product parts are often rough, but the foundation is really solid
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bret I would love to read a beginner introduction and tour article about camlistore
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bret gnight all
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cweiske we used the official installer
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Loqi [mention] http://upon2020.com/blog/2014/01/thank-you-indieweb-guys/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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@nomadcoop Own your data http://indiewebcamp.com/ ^RS (twitter.com/_/status/423735818415378432)
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pfenwick After not having a personal website for a couple of years after a server crash, I'm very glad that http://pjf.id.au/ has been re-born. And the best thing about having an open website is that I've already received pull requests to fix things and add content. :)
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voxpelli pfenwick: that's the way it should be!
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@nxD4n POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #reclaim /@diplix @saschalobo (twitter.com/_/status/423757432989294592)
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@benatkin I realized it's irrelevant whether I subscribe to some arguments for #htmldrm. @netflix's influence is bad for the #openweb. #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/423777795114684416)
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@benatkin @benatkin I don't think I've ever been un-RTed three times in a minute before. @StudyNotesApp isn't your soapbox? #sry #openweb #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/423783355507675136)
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@voxpelli @snarfed_org Got an example of the microformated posts that Bridgy uses? Can I add it to my test? https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger (twitter.com/_/status/423787512503353344)
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Zegnat Open question. When shortening URLs for display, should the middle or last part be cut out? E.g. example.com/…/my-post vs example.com/posts/…
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cweiske depends on the url
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Zegnat True cweiske, but when you want the CMS to handle it that makes for a slightly more complicated choice
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U6Fro/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (webmention)
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barnabywalters ha ha ha that note links to itself so when I used aaronpk’s mention client to resend it’s mentions it became it’s own comment!
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barnabywalters !tell benwerd loving the art for indiecomments idea! apparently idno isn’t resolving relative author photo URLs on http://werd.io/2014/im-making-50-pieces-of-art-do-you-want-one — is this my fault or are you using an older version of php-mf2?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U6Fro/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U6Fro/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U6Fro/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (webmention)
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jonnybarnes hey barnabywalters you there?
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barnabywalters greetings jonnybarnes
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jonnybarnes so random question about your site, why is it I can see your note posting UI? or in particular how does the site know to let you post, but not me?
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jonnybarnes hang on, someones at the door
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aaronpk barnabywalters: did you implement IndieAuth for that?
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barnabywalters yep, basically anyone can see /notes/new, if you’re not me (i.e. don’t have a domain of waterpigs.co.uk) you can’t post and it shows you the welcome guest banner
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barnabywalters if you are me (but only I am me) it lets you (me) post
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barnabywalters yep, I log in using indieauth
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barnabywalters currently delegating to indieauth.com, hopefully soon I’ll clone it in PHP and use that as part of my site
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aaronpk barnabywalters: we should get on a video call soon so I can walk you through the new indieauth stuff
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aaronpk indieauth+micropub
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aaronpk cause I really want to see people be able to use your note posting interface to post to their own site
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barnabywalters aaronpk: that’d be cool, I’ve been watching from a distance but not implementing anything yet
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aaronpk i think you'll pick up on it quick, just need to step through it
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barnabywalters yep, that would be awesome. log in to WaterPigs.co.uk and have everything discovered seamlessly
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jonnybarnes hi guys, back
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jonnybarnes ah yes, I see the indieauth login at the top of the page
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tantek homework assignment for next Homebrew Website Club meeting: bring a noobie - someone who's never been to a Homebrew Website Club meeting before
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barnabywalters I’m planning on taking the indieauth authentication code and remember-me cookie setting and turning them into stackPHP middlewares
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jonnybarnes that'd be super cool
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tantek hey snarfed - I just gave out a homework assignment for the next meeting
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tantek everyone: bring a noobie - someone who's never been to a Homebrew Website Club meeting before
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: what is the name field in your new note field for?
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jonnybarnes note form even
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barnabywalters for notes which I want to give names to, but don’t want in /articles, e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4U4-a-confusing-signifier-corrected-nutrition-information/
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barnabywalters mainly for styling reasons
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barnabywalters there are a small subset of things I write which I want styled like things in /articles, but most of the rest of the time I just want blog posts to look like notes with names
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tantek.com edited /Events () "(-2823) archive 2011-2012 events to their own pages. keep 2013 for context / recency." (view diff)
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jonnybarnes ah, ok
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snarfed tantek: great homework assignment!
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snarfed not as easy as it sounds, but worthwhile
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tantek snarfed - exactly. and bringing just one noobie would do a lot. I think everyone who came last night had been before (in SF at least)
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tantek snarfed - and for you - could you add the venue to the Upcoming event? http://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming
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aaronpk we had 3 newbies in pdx :)
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snarfed there may have been one or two SF newbs last night, scott and another red haired guy, but in generaly you're right
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tantek aaronpk - well done!!
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snarfed sure! i'll add the venue and create event pages soon
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tantek I think Scott has been before
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tantek snarfed awesome - yeah we have a link to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club but it's not there yet
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tantek aaronpk - it's a small step, but I archived the 2011-2012 events to separate pages to shorten the events page a bit
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tantek 2013 was obviously a big year
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aaronpk oh weird I got disconnected
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aaronpk tantek: what do you think about a calagator install on events.indiewebcamp.com soon? (calagator has microformats 2 now thanks to reid merging my pull request!)
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tantek aaronpk - that's great that calagator has uf2 support now!
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tantek does it accept webmentions?
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tantek I'd almost rather go the path of people posting events to their own sites that can receive webmentions
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aaronpk it doens't, but I'm tempted to make it accept webmentions
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tantek I'd say that should be a prerequisite for installing on indiewebcamp.com
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tantek because we'd talked about that at IWC2013
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aaronpk well the wiki doesn't accept webmentions either ;)
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aaronpk but yeah I could add webmention support to calagator
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tantek right, it has to be an improvement
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tantek otherwise it's not worth the switching cost
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aaronpk the improvement would be being able to add events easier!
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tantek but limited in ability
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aaronpk but the wiki already doesn't accept webmentions
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tantek the wiki pages for events work well because we can add notes photos MUCH easier
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tantek which is FAR more important than the act of creating events
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aaronpk we could still make a wiki page for each event to collect notes andp hotos
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tantek always be sure you're optimizing for the right ease of use
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tantek I see it the other way around
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tantek we could make a separate RSVP page to collect RSVPs
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aaronpk ah
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tantek as in, the events.indiewebcamp "pages" would just be RSVP pages
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tantek the wiki page for the event is far more useful for *everything* after the creationg/rsvp steps
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tantek for notes, photos, and also for *reference*
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tantek in the future, we (including search engines) reference the event page WAY MORE than time spent creating/rsvping
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tantek more frequently etc.
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aaronpk so really the event wiki page should point to a webmention endpoint that understands RSVPs so that it's totally seamless
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tantek so that's the dominant use case
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tantek that would be ideal!
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aaronpk and there wouldn't even be a different HTML representation of the event
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tantek even better
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aaronpk which means I should add RSVP parsing to webmention.io
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aaronpk the question would then be how to display RSVPs on the wiki pages. would a javascript widget be ok?
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aaronpk the RSVPs wouldn't end up in the HTML, but maybe that's ok
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tantek let's at least start with that
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aaronpk shorter path to success at least
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/423650042340048897/11628 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-01-15#t1389840289 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/423653210642214914/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/423654722453917696/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2012/Positive_Arguments (webmention)
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@_KarlFisher RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @mathpunk: I want my website to be at least as useful as paper - I can tell my mood from handwriting and sketchin… (twitter.com/_/status/423892029710827520)
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@npm_tweets webmention-testpinger 0.2.5 https://npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twitter.com/_/status/423893469896007680)
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@kevinmarks » @Marthalanefox: Here is the speech i just made opening the debate on www in @UKHouseofLords http://marthalanefoxblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/25th-anniversary-of-the-world-wide-web/ « #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/423894092523638784)
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snarfed tantek, ask and ye shall receive :P
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snarfed i don't think that's comprehensive, btw, but probably enough for now
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@_MartinShawn RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @mathpunk: I want my website to be at least as useful as paper - I can tell my mood from handwriting and sketchin… (twitter.com/_/status/423903323415392256)
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters http://aaronparecki.com/messages/2014/01/19/1/indieauth-walkthrough
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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j12t Changing my handle from jernst to j12t ... occasional namespace conflict on freenode has become too annoying.
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snarfed i like it!
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@MaryFletcherr RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @snarfed_org: people were driven to snapchat by a pain - because they were scared of persistence of data (twitter.com/_/status/423924306155151360)
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jonnybarnes anyone here heard of bitcloud? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vd2r1/we_want_to_replace_youtube_dropbox_facebook/
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@MaryFletcherr RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Scott: The indieweb Why page is mostly based on fear - you look like survivalists or a militia (twitter.com/_/status/423931076537769984)
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@Mattt_Richards RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: Thousands mean we have made things easy enough for anyone skilled in the craft to implement. You can't shut d… (twitter.com/_/status/423932782394769408)
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j12t Following up on last night: will there be more IndieWeb code bases than Linux distros or less?
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@_OliviaJenkins RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: If we're going to get to thousands, we are going to need marketing, much as I hate it (twitter.com/_/status/423934307259133953)
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bear more IMO
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@Mattt_Richards RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: Bret Slatkin's original positive post: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2012/07/focusing-on-positives-why-i-have-my-own.html (twitter.com/_/status/423945054437507072)
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@_OliviaJenkins RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb problems of caonicalising what you have read - see SG nodemapper https://code.google.com/p/google-sgnodemapper/ (twitter.com/_/status/423951019585052672)
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@_NeilBanks_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @mathpunk: I want my website to be at least as useful as paper - I can tell my mood from handwriting and sketchin… (twitter.com/_/status/423952134795984896)
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@Marion_Jensen RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: If we're going to get to thousands, we are going to need marketing, much as I hate it (twitter.com/_/status/423955301508063233)
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acegiak well the sms verification thing for indieauth is just about the coolest thing
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snarfed cool! i haven't looked at it yet. is it 2-factor? or just another auth provider?
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aaronpk just another auth provider
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aaronpk you put your SMS number on your website, then you get an SMS with a code you enter into indieauth.com when logging in
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acegiak it's still super cool
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aaronpk i'm glad you like it :)
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aaronpk great for signing in to stuff from computers that are not your own
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tantek snarfed - awesome examples!
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snarfed glad to help!
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aaronpk j12t: bear: yes, many more, because the barrier to entry to getting on the indieweb is far lower than creating an operating system
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tantek adding subheads for each person
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snarfed aaronpk: exactly
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tantek agreed.
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snarfed to be fair, making a linux distro is itself way less work than actually *writing* an OS, but still, agreed
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tantek thousands
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tantek have we ever seen Barry Frost in here? or is he just off independently doing his own awesome thing
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snarfed good question!
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snarfed his site was the first i found (organically) that explicitly claimed to support u-like and u-repost webmentions
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snarfed (i *think* it was him and not sandeep.)
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tantek yeah I think he just found sandeep's post, then the indiewebcamp site, and then started coding
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tantek he's doing great work
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snarfed btw tantek, bridgy has fragments for each account that auto-open their recent responses, e.g. https://www.brid.gy/#twitter-t , feel free to link to those
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snarfed or i can :P