#indiewebcamp 2014-01-20
2014-01-20 UTC
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barnabywalters aaronpk: okay, *maybe* the whole thing will work now
# barnabywalters try logging in and going to /notes/new
# barnabywalters you should see a little box saying success has happened
# barnabywalters if you do, try posting a note
# barnabywalters hm weird, looking into it now
# barnabywalters that would be because the client library returns false when discovering the micro pub endpoint
# barnabywalters I’ll just discover manually pending lib update
# barnabywalters you’re in?
# barnabywalters awesome
# barnabywalters so try /notes/new
# barnabywalters yeah there should be a little box welcoming you by domain name
# barnabywalters what does the blue callout box say?
# barnabywalters ah, okay, so something isn’t working
# barnabywalters I’ll add better logging then try again
# barnabywalters aaronpk: actually, easier, can you check what your cookies for waterpigs.co.uk are and send me the contents of indieauth_token if it exists?
# barnabywalters then I can decrypt it locally and take a look
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@jeena Thanks to #indieweb I finally cleaned up all the old code on my own website. I still had some rails 2 stuff in ... https://jeena.net/notes/9 (twitter.com/_/status/425059938806026240)
# barnabywalters aaronpk: oookay there was some faulty logic in the auth handler — try /notes/new again now
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@peakwinter @jeena I can't "webmention" you yet but just wanted to say that this looks really cool :) (twitter.com/_/status/425060697068675072)
# barnabywalters WOOOO
# barnabywalters huh weird URL
# barnabywalters with a space in
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# barnabywalters “kinda” — what else went wrong?
# barnabywalters oh great!
# barnabywalters so, proof of concept complete
# barnabywalters that is very awesome
# barnabywalters aaronpk: serious props for indieauth/client, it makes implementing this stuff super easy
# barnabywalters all the bugs were my fault :)
# barnabywalters did it not get syndicated due to lack of micropub syndicate param?
# barnabywalters ah okay
# barnabywalters haha your website thinks I’m you: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/01/19/1/indieweb-micropub
# barnabywalters because relative photo URLs
# barnabywalters that happened on benwerd’s site too, maybe there’s a problem in php-mf2
# barnabywalters ah, phew
# barnabywalters wow, half past midnight here now
# barnabywalters I’m off for the night. thanks aaronpk for help and library! this is an excellent building block
# barnabywalters goodnight all
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Jeena it looks like I am misunderstanding something with microformats, I do have author, dt-published and u-url on my page but nobody seems to be able to find them: http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flala.home.jeena.net%3A3000%2Fnotes%2F36
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aaronpk go to pin13.net and put the URL in there, like http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flala.home.jeena.net%3A3000%2Fnotes%2F35
# aaronpk !tell barnabywalters I fixed your photo here! Turns out I wasn't passing in the base URL to the mf2\Parse function! http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/01/19/1/indieweb-micropub
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# Jeena this is awkward, I am thinking about just using twitters oembed to get the data I need instead of trying to get it from the microformats from bridgy, because either I am too dumb to use https://github.com/G5/microformats2 or it is just broken
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KartikPrabhu ok so horribly stuck again. As per previous suggestion I moved auto-sending of webmentions from a post to a post_save hook. But it still seems that the target is unable to retrieve my source because it does not have a proper URL. The internet is too fast for my server?!! How are other folks doing auto-sending of mentions from post?
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snarfed i don't know django, but you can definitely look at other example code that sends mentions from posts. e.g. https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention
# KartikPrabhu I think post_save is supposed to be after saving to database, but it might be in some locked state! I might have to do some async things. sigh! thanks for the wordpress example link
# KartikPrabhu yeah. that is the direction I am leaning in... but first must take a break from staring at python code :P
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@snarfed_org Next Homebrew Website Club is Wed 1/29. Hope to see you there! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club #indieweb Background: http://tantek.com/2013/332/b1/homebrew-website-club-newsletter (twitter.com/_/status/425137234367369216)
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# KartikPrabhu ok so unfortunately Django's post_save is not really post_save. My posts do not seem to have a URL until post_save finished executing. Tried with a 1min delay in post_save to autosend webmentions, but with no luck!
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# KartikPrabhu aaronpk, tantek: do you auto-send webmentions on post publish? if so do you do it asynchronously?
# KartikPrabhu aah alright. I might have to investigate that then. post_save hook did not work as expected :(
# KartikPrabhu yeah the docs do say post_save is activated after adding to database but it doesn't seem to be working. In any case async sending seems more robust
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# KartikPrabhu i was just wondering how people have implemented it, since I am having quite the trouble
# KartikPrabhu tantek: I am using bear's ronkyuu but the problem is more with syncing it with the save method for posts
# KartikPrabhu cweiske: that sounds interesting
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cweiske KartikPrabhu, http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects#stapibas
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tantek here's the code I wrote so far for webmention endpoint discovery: https://github.com/indieweb/link-rel-parser-php/blob/master/src/IndieWeb/link_rel_parser.php I haven't made much progress past that.
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# KartikPrabhu thanks. good things to explore on MLK day holiday
# KartikPrabhu i am sort of sceptical using ATOM or RSS feeds to do that, since those are supposed to be old technologies anyway. Maybe using a h-feed page would be good
# KartikPrabhu bear: that is a good suggestion too
# KartikPrabhu hello Jihaisse
# KartikPrabhu bear: in fact I was planning to make a page that will accept a url from form input, parse it and send mentions all using ronkyuu. Maybe I should just use that on my own site :P
# KartikPrabhu the plan was to have auto-sending and this page working through the long weekend. Hopefully tomorrow
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@hackr_rss Quiz Pt. 88 (The Bad Good Idea Edition): endlich wieder einmal ein quiz: warum ist das Indieweb eine schl... http://hackr.de/2014/01/20/quiz-pt-88-the-bad-good-idea-edition (twitter.com/_/status/425213896836644864)
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@pfefferle RT @diplix: indieweb und reclaim social media - was ix so am wochende gemacht habe —http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7046/1/6/ (twitter.com/_/status/425225227963215872)
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@muhh "warum ist das Indieweb eine schlechte gute Idee?" http://hackr.de/2014/01/20/quiz-pt-88-the-bad-good-idea-edition #foodforthought /by: @hackr_rss (twitter.com/_/status/425226451257135104)
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 11 hours, 42 minutes ago: I fixed your photo here! Turns out I wasn't passing in the base URL to the mf2\Parse function! http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/01/19/1/indieweb-micropub
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@KathryneArnold @IndieAuth Thanks for your supportive and helpful retweets. I really appreciate all the shout outs. Take care! (twitter.com/_/status/425256261664251904)
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# @pfefferle Felix Schwenzel über IndieWeb und reclaim social media http://notizblog.org/2014/01/20/felix-schwenzel-ueber-indieweb-und-reclaim-social-media/ (twitter.com/_/status/425292532273012736)
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@aral RT @franatique: @flexewebs here is a jumpstart to get you started on the #indiedata stuff http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/425304540142137344)
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jonnybarnes when your tests are failing, in part because the expected result is wrong!
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: such are the perils of testing
# barnabywalters who tests the tests?
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# jonnybarnes yeah, testing some posse code and in my expected result I truncated one too many words before adding hashtags/premalink
# jonnybarnes that test is still failing mind
# jonnybarnes but that is good, because it will force me to add the next feature. work out if the truncated string ends in a punctuation character and strip that as well
# jonnybarnes barnabywalters: did you get your truncating code working again? I remember it was cutting notes in the middle of words.
# jonnybarnes "THE TRUNCANATOR" was it?
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: nope, I should actually work on that now
# barnabywalters yeah I need to rewrite it using tantek’s truncate_to_word function
# barnabywalters instead of duplicating the logic
# jonnybarnes is that in his cassis code?
# barnabywalters yep
# jonnybarnes is that in github anywhere?
# jonnybarnes *on
# barnabywalters actually I’m going to rewrite a bunch of my generic text processing functions as cassis functions instead of having yet another nasty helper library
# jonnybarnes does cassis actually mean anything then?
# barnabywalters er, client and server something or other
# jonnybarnes I don't really like cassis, or at least the way tantek writes it
# barnabywalters it’s a bit… hectic… in style
# barnabywalters and sure, I’d rather have everything in nice namespaces/modules
# barnabywalters but the ability to run seamlessly in two places makes up for it for me
# barnabywalters and it is generally very well written — auto_link is the best, most complete auto linking function I’ve ever come across
# jonnybarnes yeah, I'm sure the logic is superb, I just find it hard to read
# barnabywalters me too
# barnabywalters it’s a problem tantek’s aware of
# jonnybarnes in his ellipsize function tantek cuts the following from the end of the string: @$ -~*()_+[]{}|;,<>
# jonnybarnes why no full stop?
# jonnybarnes or is having " word.… #tag https://premali.nk/abc" ok?
# barnabywalters good point – easiest to ask him or raise an issue
# jonnybarnes whenever I type http thse days its a reflex reaction to add the s
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@taylorjessica92 RT @franatique: @flexewebs here is a jumpstart to get you started on the #indiedata stuff http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/425316489479335936)
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@rivva indieweb und reclaim social media – http://wirres.net http://rivva.de/211028583 (twitter.com/_/status/425317064862367744)
# jonnybarnes bear: I'm not using the cassis function itself, my code currently provides a truncated string to add the ellipsis too based on the space character. So I can have a truncated string that ends with a full stop
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@thursdayschild @corbie On that, and the sentence above, about owning our own data, outside of social networks. http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/425317496309047296)
# jonnybarnes I think if I have got a truncated string ending in a full stop, I should remove that before adding the ellipsis
# jonnybarnes would you guys agree?
# barnabywalters I would say that word.… looks messy
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# jonnybarnes woohoo, it works
# jonnybarnes all tests passing
# jonnybarnes though my code could probably do with a little refactoring
# jonnybarnes barnabywalters: did I read correctly off twitter, people who's sites support the microhub API can now use waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new to post new notes?
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: that is correct!
# jonnybarnes that is cool!
# barnabywalters indeed! waterpigs.co.uk itself doesn’t actually support micropub to create posts yet, but it can be used as a client app
# barnabywalters snarfed: thanks! it was pretty easy due to aaronpk’s client library
# barnabywalters oauth+indieweb discovery with URLs as identifiers works pretty seamlessly
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# jonnybarnes so this is whats currently preparing the notes on my site before I send them to twitter, is it awful? https://github.com/jonnybarnes/posse/blob/master/src/Jonnybarnes/Posse/NotePrep.php
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: looks okay to me — why a class instead of more easily reusable functions though?
# jonnybarnes I don't really see a difference between \namepsace\function() and \namepsace\class->function()
# jonnybarnes well you'd actually have $var = \namepsace\class()
# jonnybarnes then $var->function()
# jonnybarnes how do other languages handle namepsaces?
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: yep, instance methods force instanciation, which means more surface area to learn+remember
# barnabywalters instead of function name, parameter order, it’s classname, construction parameters, method name, method name parameters
# barnabywalters that’s 2x the number of LOC and at least 2x the surface area
# barnabywalters python uses . for almost everything
# jonnybarnes you know, I've never heard someone talk about surface area with regards to programming
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# barnabywalters pretty sure I didn’t make the term up :) I hear people talking about API surface area and attack surface area occasionally
# barnabywalters in this case it maps quite nicely to the conventional physical representation of code, as characters on screen
# rektide which does? (just joined channel)
# barnabywalters rektide: talking about code having surface area
# barnabywalters and more surface area being harder to learn+remember, e.g. functions vs classes (in some cases)
# barnabywalters is currently wrapping his original-post-discovery library up into a package
# rektide post discovery in what way? there's surface, then there's means to make surface exploration happen, which generally means you cannot see the code & examples in action as per a library.
# snarfed barnabywalters: looking fwd to it! i'll be interested to compare against https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/blob/master/source.py#L220
# barnabywalters snarfed: indeed! this is another place where cross-platform test cases would come in really handy
# barnabywalters actually it was in indieweb/rel-me
# jonnybarnes talking of tests, can anyone think of any additions to my noteprep test suite? https://github.com/jonnybarnes/posse/blob/master/tests/NotePrepTests.php
# barnabywalters that package has a basic HTML+mf2 test suite
# barnabywalters but I’m unhappy with it
# barnabywalters as it really needs arbitrary key-value pairs
# barnabywalters without being extremely domain specific like glennjones’s mf2 parser HTML+mf tests are
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# rektide surface discovery examples: http://apievangelist.com/2014/01/16/api-design-do-you-swagger-blueprint-or-raml/
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# barnabywalters pushed, now in use on my site: https://github.com/indieweb/php-original-post-discovery
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# barnabywalters bbiab
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@kevinmarks "@danmartell: Use your own product or die https://medium.com/binary-times/ba3e2d738a55?utm_content=bufferfcada&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #startuplife" #seldogfood #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/425391649783422976)
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@matthewlmcclure Nice collection of IndieWeb links. Promising too much to say it will provide surveillance prevention. http://aralbalkan.com/notes/2014-the-rise-of-indie-tech/ (twitter.com/_/status/425399132094623744)
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