#indiewebcamp 2014-02-14

2014-02-14 UTC
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@INVISPIDE IndieAuth - Sign in with your domain name https://indieauth.com/?utm_content=buffer106ac&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/434159546505117696)
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@michielbdejong RT @t: Two wonderful talks on #privacy #ownyourdata #indieweb by @caseorganic: http://www.youtube.com/ http://vimeo.com/86329113 (ttk.me t4UZ1) (twitter.com/_/status/434185456133996544)
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aaronpk !tell tantek your home page h-card seems to be missing a photo?
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michielbdejong caseorganic: i just watched both your talks back to back, very inspiring! a lot of stuff in there i didn't know about the history of blogging -> fedsocweb -> indieweb
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michielbdejong also explains the ideas behind the indieweb approach very well, it definitely motivated me to go build my own website now and participate :)
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pdurbin michielbdejong: which talks?
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michielbdejong so is pingback always automatic through just mentioning a link and webmention always through a button click?
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michielbdejong pdurbin: sorry, these: https://twitter.com/t/status/433768955006976000
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aaronpk or rather, http://tantek.com/2014/043/t1/wonderful-talks-privacy-ownyourdata-indieweb
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aaronpk :D
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pdurbin thanks
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michielbdejong right, sorry :) i was trying to get the ttk link to work
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aaronpk noted
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michielbdejong yeah, got it now
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michielbdejong fwiw, i clicked 'retweet' from tantek.com, not from twitter.com :)
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aaronpk LOQI COME BACK
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk !tell tantek your home page h-card seems to be missing a photo?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters you're right it was a stupid error on my part. also thanks for php-mf-cleaner, that solved my problem! :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk !tell tantek when displaying a list of h-entrys in a feed, how do I know if I should display the name, name+content, or just content?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronparecki.com edited /feed_reader (+77) "add selfoss" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell benwerd I think your list of posts on your home page is missing the "u-url" property! http://werd.io/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak is it ok to have h-cite nested within another h-cite?
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caseorganic michielbdejong: thanks for the kind words! really glad you got to watch them. can't wait until you build your own website!
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@aaronpk A few improvements to the #microformats parsing in #selfoss tonight, and it's looking really good... #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/02/13/3/microformats-selfoss-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/434220387228872705)
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michielbdejong caseorganic: i'm on it! but will shut up until i can show it working :)
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Jihaisse Hello
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caseorganic michielbdejong: :)
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 25 minutes ago: your home page h-card seems to be missing a photo?
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 19 minutes ago: when displaying a list of h-entrys in a feed, how do I know if I should display the name, name+content, or just content?
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michielbdejong hm, 500 internal server error on indieauth.com if you don't set a text/html Content-Type on your main page. that'll teach me, i guess :)
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caseorganic.com edited /projects (+570) "/* Indie Web Projects */ Added Aaron Parecki's IndieReader" (view diff)
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caseorganic yeah!! so many awesome things happened today! #indiereader see you all tomorrow!
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michielbdejong.com edited /projects (+43) "/* Unhosted */" (view diff)
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 4 hours, 18 minutes ago: you're right it was a stupid error on my part. also thanks for php-mf-cleaner, that solved my problem! :)
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@glennjones Feedreader that works with microformats http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/02/13/1/indiereader-subscribe-to-people-from-your-own-site #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/434284520146477056)
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@bear RT @caseorganic: Tonight's Homebrew Website Meetup was awesome! Notes are here: http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/02/12/3/homebrew-website-club-newsletter-volume-2-issue-3---portland-edition #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/13/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/434288702060503040)
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@bear RT @ablwr: yay MT @caseorganic: My talk on Designing for Privacy in Mobile+Web Apps @ixdconf is up! #privacy #location #indieweb http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/434288767810412544)
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@SimonCoopey This may be my first successful webmention-enabled post since @jeena introduced me to the concept: https://jeena.net/notes/22 (twitter.com/_/status/434301253041274880)
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acegiak.machinespirit.net edited /reader (+176) "algorithmic filtering can lead to filter bubble effect" (view diff)
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acegiak.machinespirit.net edited /reader (+58) "attribution" (view diff)
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@SwissGator #HealthIT not keeping pace w/ #bigdata http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/health-it-not-keeping-pace-big-data @HITNewsTweet Game changer @SwissHealthBank platform #ownyourdata #innovation (twitter.com/_/status/434341659116335104)
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acegiak pfefferle: hallo!
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pfefferle acegiak hello hello
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acegiak I'm doing the right thing here to send a webmention aren't I? do_action('send_webmention', get_permalink($postid), urldecode($ftarget));
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pfefferle yes
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acegiak hmm. do sent webmentions get logged anywhere?
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pfefferle oh, perhaps there is a small bug...
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pfefferle hmmmm
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acegiak pfefferle: I accidentally lost my changes that make whisperfollow send webmentions so I'm redoing it now
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pfefferle i fixed it...
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acegiak oh?
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pfefferle i am currently uploading it to the directory
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acegiak cool cool
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acegiak what was the bug?
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pfefferle I forgot to tell the hook how many params the function has
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acegiak hahaha
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Loqi ahahahaha
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acegiak oh god, I need to sleep >.<
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pfefferle :)
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acegiak tell us when it's uploaded
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pfefferle you can also use send_webmention($source, $target);
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pfefferle this will also work
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pfefferle it's uploaded
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acegiak I'd rather use the action so as to avoid having webmention be a requirement
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pfefferle (y)
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acegiak pfefferle: did you see I got whisperfollow to aggregate mf2?
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pfefferle oh nice!
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acegiak I'm just having trouble getting it to add the reply-context to the content display
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acegiak I really need to clean it up sometime
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acegiak but I'm working on too many things :P
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pfefferle Yes, should do that for most of my plugins too!
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acegiak I'm trying to see if I can separate the wordpress bits of whisperfollow from the core aggregating parts so people can use the aggregating bits themselves
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acegiak but it's tricky
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tantek Jeena, re: "didn't have to click a link to read every tweet" - there's a browser extension people can install that replaces the tweet POSSE copy with the original complete post text, even when browsing twitter.com!
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tantek I can't remember the name of it but barnabywalters wrote it during IndieWebCampUK2013, maybe aaronpk remembers?
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tantek re: https://jeena.net/notes/22
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aaronpk https://github.com/barnabywalters/weave
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@liochan @thibaultj c'est pas moi qui t'aurais fait le remarque ;) Sinon pour les comments pourquoi pas webmention ? (twitter.com/_/status/434406274084511745)
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snarfed ok, yeah, weave is pretty damn cool
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aaronpk there were a few bugs last time I used it, so I had to uninstall it :( but it's pretty cool!
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snarfed we keep taking little steps toward using the silos as (very good) infrastructure - DBs, friend graphs, pubsub routers, etc - and less like actual products
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snarfed making our own sites the product/UX instead
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snarfed works for me, especially for the pieces that are harder to decentralize, like friend graphs, and that the sillos currently do well
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aaronpk that's a great way to frame it
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@SimonCoopey @jeena It was my side (http://simoncoopey.net/p/?id=98) - the little PHP snippet to supposedly send a webmention didn’t find the link! #StillLearning (twitter.com/_/status/434411804492836864)
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gRegor` If APIs were implemented via business letters: https://gist.github.com/DanaDanger/8987422
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jjuran I just retweeted that :-)
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caseorganic That's fantastic.
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caseorganic gRegor`++
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gRegor` Me too, jjuran :)
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caseorganic I like how it shows up on my site when I POSSE: http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/14/2/
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gRegor` That's awesome
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gRegor` Twitter has custom timelines now. I did not know that. https://twitter.com/allidryer/timelines/434458400764612608
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caseorganic gRegor`: oh, right! it was just launched to enable a more "facebook-like" experience
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gRegor` Guess they want to keep people from using Storify and other aggregators.
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gRegor` Must keep it all in their silo!
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gRegor` I saw a screenshot on Mashable (didn't read the article) about the more-FB-like profile. Ugh. Bad idea, IMO.
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Jeena Hm what is that example a timeline for? I don't understand it
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gRegor` Jeena: Basically it's a curated list of tweets. Not necessarily chronological.
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gRegor` @darth was tweeting funny photoshopped candy hearts today and someone made that curated (custom) timeline of them.
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Jeena curated be whom Twitter or you?
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caseorganic gRegor`: Jeena: the data density isn't very good. a copy is not the same as designing from the ground up
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gRegor` The user. That one was curated by @alidryer
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caseorganic gRegor`: auto curated? auto curation isn't good without lots of granular data
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Jeena ah I see
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gRegor` Not auto, from what I can tell.
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gRegor` https://dev.twitter.com/docs/custom-timelines
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gRegor` Weird that you have to use Tweetdeck (or the API?) to manage them.
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gRegor` I'd forgotten about Tweetdeck. I know Twitter bought them
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gRegor` just assumed they shut 'em down.
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caseorganic Looks like a Storify-functionality (create custom story, embed on site)
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caseorganic but "Create and manage timelines from within TweetDeck"
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caseorganic having to do this through tweetdeck is strange
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caseorganic or the API
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caseorganic vs. just buying storify. if twitter is attempting to become a media platform they need less dev tools and more click, drag, sort and publish tools
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Jeena The very cool thing with Storify is that you knew just from the name alone what it would do.
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caseorganic Jeena: correct
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caseorganic custom timeline seems like it's allowing you to change what your timeline looks like, not curate a story out of the tweets
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caseorganic Celebrities are on Twitter. Giving them a simple curate tool without needing to go through Tweetdeck or the API would make for lots and lots of custom content, each with a URL that can be shared or embedded. Would be better for the service overall if the vision is to create a media platform.
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caseorganic And at the bottom: programming custom timelines with the timeline api? I'd rather have a hand-curated story or set of tweets than a machine-generated one.
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aaronpk is anybody currently POSSEing photos to twitter? like using twitter's photo feature so that it shows up better on twitter.com?
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caseorganic https://twitter.com/allidryer/timelines/434458400764612608 this is interesting as it shows a collection of content from a single hashtag
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caseorganic aaronpk: woah, interesting
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gRegor` caseorganic: Not sure what you mean. The description of custom lists sounds like curation to me. You decide what tweets to add to the list.
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Jeena not yet aaronpk but it is on my todo list
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aaronpk e.g. this one http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/02/13/3/microformats-selfoss-indieweb would be cool if that had uploaded the screenshot to twitter so that it looks better there
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Jeena but it shouldn't be that hard
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caseorganic aaronpk: oh, yeah
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Jeena I always wondered why bridgy only shows G+ and Instagram Avatars, but now I see that this is the exact same problem I am having with those on my website. Firefox throws an exception on https sites if you link to a https-twitter/facebook avatar within <img>
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acegiak I'm awake!
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aaronpk acegiak: hello!
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acegiak morning!
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gRegor` Morning, acegiak
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acegiak I was up way too late trying to work out why whisperfollow wasn't sending webmentions
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tantek Jeena - did you try the Weave browser extension?
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tantek per above
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acegiak ended up being an issue with the webmention plugin instead :P
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Jeena no, not yet but I will, but most of the people use the desktop app I think (but I don't know and it is worth the shot perhaps :) )
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caseorganic acegiak: moarning!
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Jeena Hm it doesn't seem to work for me https://twitter.com/jeena/status/431946336607666176 still is truncated
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acegiak does anyone else posse to tumblr?
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acegiak hmm. I need to fix the one-click follow so it accepts sites that have microformats but no rss
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snarfed Jeena: just saw your https img message
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snarfed mind explaining a bit more? i'm curious now
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Jeena There is not much to explain, Firefox just doesn't show the pictures because of some ssl weirdness
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snarfed i guess i didn't fully understand the situation
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Jeena but as far as I know it is a firefox bug
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snarfed on an https page, if you have img src="https://…", those images sometimes don't appear?
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Jeena yes but weirdly only those from Twitter and Facebook
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Jeena G
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snarfed for facebook and twitter profile pictures specifically?
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snarfed huh. i think they work ok for me
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Jeena exactly
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snarfed looking