#indiewebcamp 2014-03-13

2014-03-13 UTC
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iboxifoo
KartikPrabhu some serious SEO FUD there
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@smalljones
Looking forward to @dangillmor ’s book, Permission Taken, & article in @guardian after reading about IndieWeb Tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/
(twitter.com/_/status/443904399870799873)
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@hrheingold
RT @smalljones: Looking forward to @dangillmor ’s book, Permission Taken, & article in @guardian after reading about IndieWeb Tools http:/…
(twitter.com/_/status/443906668816891904)
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Loqi
skinny: tantek left you a message 56 minutes ago: can we try setting up the Vidyo connection for tonight's HWC meetup at ~18:00?
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tantek
I seem to have kicked over a rock with "architects": https://twitter.com/t/status/443890173047484416
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@t
Yesterday I tried again to find a good use for "URI" (vs "URL") and found a new reason for just "URL". #nerdproblems (ttk.me t4V12)
(twitter.com/_/status/443890173047484416)
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tantek
checks the wiki page for tonight's event
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tantek
skinny, could you add the PDX details (parallel to the SF details) to this page? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (I think I left some template text in page comments if you edit it)
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skinny
tantek: aye. can vidyo it at 1800
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skinny
can we make the session length longer? I was just logged in yesterday and now I have to go reauth.
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skinny
like... 30 days
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aaronpk
skinny: i'm not sure how to do that, cause the way mediawiki wants you to do it doesn't work with the indieauth plugin
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skinny
so it doesn't persist your session at all? as in, when the tab is closed you're done?
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aaronpk
it persists for some short amount of time, I forget hoe much
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skinny
if we are building an auth system, we should at least get the basics of the UX of auth right :D
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@t
Want to discuss URLs more? Come by tonight's Homebrew Website Club meetup 18:30 @MozSF @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4V18)
(twitter.com/_/status/443907904748675072)
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skinny
what does this mean " discuss URLs more" ?
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@indiewebcamp
RT @t: Want to discuss URLs more? Come by tonight's Homebrew Website Club meetup 18:30 @MozSF @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4V18)
(twitter.com/_/status/443908033161068544)
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skinny
what do we believe is compelling about urls?
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aaronpk
skinny: yeah that problem is with mediawiki, not indieauth
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skinny
totally. but it looks like it's us. and it's our wediawiki instance.
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aaronpk
yeah you're right
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aaronpk
i'll keep looking into it. i hit a dead end the other night when I was trying to figure it out
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aaronpk
can I replly to those ppl on twitter asking about tonight? it's at mozilla pdx right?
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skinny
YES!
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snarfed
tantek: that 'architect's web site is bizcoder.com
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snarfed
nuff said :P
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: why do some of your tweets have a permashortcitation and others a permalink?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu permashortlink = more content
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tantek
skinny, join vidyo room "IndieWebCamp"
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dariusdunlap
skinny: I'd like to be on that vidyo...
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: i see! cool...
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tantek
if Richard doesn't have it setup on @MozSF by 18:00, I'll be there by ~18:15 as backup
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skinny
tantek: now or at 1800?
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skinny
dariusdunlap: what?
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tantek
18:00 skinny
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tantek
dariusdunlap I'll share a URL for you - you're remote right? once we have the connection up.
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dariusdunlap
Yep. I'm at home down in Pescadero. Gorgeous day out here in the woods. Just got back from hiking with the hounds, er, I mean, "working out". ;-)
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aaronpk
"URI: Not to be confused with its two subclasses, uniform resource locator (URL) and uniform resource name (URN)."
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@kragen
RT @t: Want to discuss URLs more? Come by tonight's Homebrew Website Club meetup 18:30 @MozSF @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4V18)
(twitter.com/_/status/443911776842047488)
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barnabywalters
!tell tantek your notes are showing up out of order in http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed due to no timezones using <time> value-class pattern with only date and time components. unrelated: liking your thoughts on URL naming! such comment thread: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/?url=http://tantek.com/2014/071/t2/new-reason-just-url
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: wait wat... are you querying webmention.io for tantek's post and rendering the thread?!
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: yes…
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barnabywalters
pretty sure I already demoed that, but it was a while ago
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barnabywalters
it has caching now so isn’t horribly slow
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barnabywalters
URL vs URI is one of those distinctions I used to be pedantic about, but it got boring so I just say URL now
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basal
I was reading https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE, can anyone elaborate on what snowflake copying is? "notes (and article titles) are snowflake copied by the personal site server to Twitter with permashortlink citation"
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skinny
snarfed: done
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kylewm
basal: snowflake APIs are unique to a particular provider/not based on a standard indiewebcamp.com/snowflake
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kylewm
(I had the same question when I read that, it might be worth linking snowflake to the article about it)
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basal
kylewm, thank you
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kylewm
I think the alternative is something like activitystrea.ms
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kylewm
which Google Buzz used, and I think Status.net uses
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pauloppenheim
!tell tantek the OSI network model is still the thing people learn to pass networking certification exams even though OSI was thrown to the overengineered crap heap
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pauloppenheim
URI / URL / URN might live forever as a paddle to haze incoming IT journeyman with
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm.com
edited /POSSE (+4) "/* IndieWeb examples */ link snowflake"
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Loqi
tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 15 minutes ago: your notes are showing up out of order in http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed due to no timezones using <time> value-class pattern with only date and time components. unrelated: liking your thoughts on URL naming! such comment thread: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/?url=http://tantek.com/2014/071/t2/new-reason-just-url
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Loqi
tantek: pauloppenheim left you a message 6 minutes ago: the OSI network model is still the thing people learn to pass networking certification exams even though OSI was thrown to the overengineered crap heap
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pauloppenheim
URI / URL / URN might live forever as a paddle to haze incoming IT journeyman with
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pauloppenheim
evidently loqi chokes on semicolons
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tantek
and who cares about network certifications?
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dariusdunlap
tantek drops the mic and walks off stage.
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pauloppenheim
basically!
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acegiak
does anyone have xfn markup for in-laws?
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acegiak
also: should I buy acegiak.me or acegiak.net?
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dariusdunlap
Is the meeting started?
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skinny
who's making it for tonight at PDX? aaronpk?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: The Homebrew Website Club is based on the Homebrew Computer Club ideas - 20 minutes of broadcast first
(twitter.com/_/status/443924493493620736)
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kylewm_
dariusdunlap, were you able to video in to the mtg?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I'm tantek çelik co-founder of INdiewebcamp and my website is http://tantek.com
(twitter.com/_/status/443924653862817793)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @pauloppenheim: I'm at http://pauloppenheim.com - I'm implementing simplest possible webmention
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @iboxifoo: I was at indiewebcamp too - I managed to POSSE locally, but i need to deploy it
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: The Homebrew Website Club is based on the Homebrew Computer Club ideas - 20 minutes of broadcast first
(twitter.com/_/status/443925159381331968)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @skinny: I'm Crystal Beasley at http://crystalbeasley.com and I'm working on github deploying [@t also co-founded indiewebcamp]
(twitter.com/_/status/443925508225765376)
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KevinMarks
I missed the URL of the other person at portland than crystal
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we had a good turnout at indiewebcamp SF last weekend, and managed to get @dangillmor connected to indieweb using plugins
(twitter.com/_/status/443925958689824768)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I ran some stats on brid.gy: 155 users, 50% twitter 25% G+ 25% FB - sent 4500 sucesssfully received webmentions
(twitter.com/_/status/443926234075234305)
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dariusdunlap
Got that video link for me?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: NLNet support and sponsor open web work eg unhosted and sockethub - if you want support tell me
(twitter.com/_/status/443926364027375617)
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Loqi
[@dangillmor] I'm enthused MT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: good turnout at indiewebcamp SF
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Loqi
managed to get @dangillmor connected to indieweb using plugins (http://twtr.io/j31Pwaevwp)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: that URL is NLnet.nl - they're in the netherlands?
(twitter.com/_/status/443926487214075904)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I made a userscript called letstalk that displays comms icons in the browser
(twitter.com/_/status/443926593014996992)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we had a good turnout at indiewebcamp SF last weekend, and managed to get @dangillmor connected to indieweb u…
(twitter.com/_/status/443926795319259137)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I ran some stats on brid.gy: 155 users, 50% twitter 25% G+ 25% FB - sent 4500 sucesssfully received w…
(twitter.com/_/status/443926815674232834)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: also brid.gy got a POSSE outbound mode which you trigger jusy by marking up your site
(twitter.com/_/status/443926830828257280)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Strabd: I just got my site set up for indieweb at indiewebcamp this weekend http://strabd.com
(twitter.com/_/status/443927693768556544)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @pauloppenheim: having seen private messaging snap together at indiewebcamp this weekend, I'd like to get those plugged together
(twitter.com/_/status/443927827927556096)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @notenoughneon: I want to talk about images - I have a lot of images with text in - the image but also the text inside the image
(twitter.com/_/status/443928374252421120)
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tantek
discussing image + text right now
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dariusdunlap
No remote hookup?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @notenoughneon: I'd like to have a way to embed microfomats in images well [km SVG might help]
(twitter.com/_/status/443928766520520704)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @naomiyaki: when you put japanese text into word balloons everything gets flipped, so that makes it harder
(twitter.com/_/status/443928911026868225)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it that text mixed script or multiple translations?
(twitter.com/_/status/443928983672205313)
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@Strabd
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Strabd: I just got my site set up for indieweb at indiewebcamp this weekend http://strabd.com
(twitter.com/_/status/443929024608227328)
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skinny
nine slice scaling would be awesome to have in css http://asgamer.com/2009/using-9-slice-scaling-to-retain-shape-while-resizing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @naomiyaki: I've done both - mixed text and translations
(twitter.com/_/status/443929141055070208)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: @caseorganic was working on an indieweb comic to explain indieweb, not an indieweb-expressed comic
(twitter.com/_/status/443929289999020032)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we have some comic types expressed in indieweb and how to represent these - see http://indiewebcamp.com/comics
(twitter.com/_/status/443929423059091456)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: we're largely useless but we know people who are useful
(twitter.com/_/status/443929540013088768)
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@anselm
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we have some comic types expressed in indieweb and how to represent these - see http://indiewebcamp.com/comics
(twitter.com/_/status/443929588406571008)
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tantek
dariusdunlap one sec!
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KevinMarks
url for tristan?
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@Strabd
I've been at the @mozilla space in SF a few times (tonight it's for #indieweb's Homebrew Computer Club) and I love it every time.
(twitter.com/_/status/443930274661810176)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @nitot: I''m Tristan, here from Mozilla Paris and am interested in startign an indieweb event in paris
(twitter.com/_/status/443930426156277761)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: thank you @skinny for setting up the video link
(twitter.com/_/status/443930732533387264)
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tantek
naomi - feedback appreciated on the markup: http://tantek.com/2013/149/b1/bayesian
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skinny
how many we want?
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tantek
hundreds?
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tantek
I think we're gaining fans
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skinny
the black line is the die cut
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@soycamo
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we have some comic types expressed in indieweb and how to represent these - see http://indiewebcamp.com/comics
(twitter.com/_/status/443931054911397888)
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tantek
skinny - is that new logo type?
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tantek
we should update the logo on the site accordingly
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Strabd: I heard @caseorganic on a the InBeta podcast talking about Indieweb: http://5by5.tv/inbeta/90
(twitter.com/_/status/443931110557626369)
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Loqi
agreed.
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skinny
tantek: yep
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tantek
sweet
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skinny
the chunky bold is too clumsy
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tantek
agreed
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KevinMarks
looks like the kind of border-radius weirdness lea was showing today
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skinny
why are there three differnt formats for reply to?
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skinny
1) rel in reply to 2) u in reply to and 3) p in reply to
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acegiak
skinny: the first i think is old? the second two are becasue sometimes you just want to link to the thing you're replying to (u-reply-to) and sometimes you want to do other stuff like cite it (p-in-reply-to)
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KevinMarks
I think u+rel are the same (saying the URL) and p- is for the bit you cite
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acegiak
I think that those verbs like in-reply-to should be p by default
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acegiak
so p-like-of and p-in-reply-to and p-repost-of
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acegiak
because then they can all contain a u-url element or a p-content or both
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KevinMarks
you still need a URL tho'
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acegiak
yeah the child u-url element
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KevinMarks
ah, I see
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tantek
skinny - evolved from adapting to bloggers's existing markup & presentation
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tantek
the idea is however you're linking / replying to stuff today, there's a way to mark it up easily
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acegiak
^answers the question of why it exists
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acegiak
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 26 karma
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tantek
acegiak - perhaps we should add that to in-reply-to#FAQ
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tantek
skinny - sticker looks good
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skinny
i love veggie korma.
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tantek
I don't get the top right corner having more border radius but I figure that's just me not getting it as a graphic designer
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tantek
mmmm veggie korma! ok now getting hungry. definitely ending meeting at 19:30. ;)
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skinny
tantek: that radius is based on the circle form of the C
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acegiak
sure. I'm trying to work out whether I should change the markup in my likes and reposts to use h-like-of or p-like-of because they have child elements that include a u-url
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tantek
skinny - now that you've said that it totally makes sense
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tantek
ship it!
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skinny
500? $150
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skinny
does we have budget?
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KevinMarks
you can put both acegiak
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acegiak
KevinMarks: yeah that's what I'm doing for now
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tantek
skinny - Mozilla can sponsor them right?
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tantek
500 should last us for a while - ship half down here to SF?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Pierre: my site is at http://kerolic.net though it's not very interesting [he's being modest, it looks very fancy]
(twitter.com/_/status/443934371352158208)
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KevinMarks
acegiak: both is not ideal, but it gives flexibility for parsers
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skinny
tantek: don't know. send details of this voodoo
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acegiak
KevinMarks: yeah I'd rather be easily parsable
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Pierre: my site is at http://kerolic.net though it's not very interesting [he's being modest, it looks very f…
(twitter.com/_/status/443935084367069184)
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skinny
tantek: ordered ^.^
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tantek
woot!
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Loqi
woot
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KevinMarks
NISTIC event in mountain view april 1-3 deciding identity standards for govt: http://www.identitywoman.net/im-not-your-nstic-delegate-any-more-pls-get-involved
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@benatkin
wow...my tumblr post is the only record of it. #internethistory #ownyourdata
(twitter.com/_/status/443943391059918848)
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@naomiyaki
Longest distance photoshoot ever #indiewebcamp
(twitter.com/_/status/443955101044969472)
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@nitot
It was really cool stumbling on the #indieweb meetup in SF. Got to meet with @kevinmarks in person! https://twitter.com/nitot/status/443974845626204160/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/443974845626204160)
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bear
ooo - stickers - give me the info and I'll order a bunch and be the east coast distributor if you want/need
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@naomiyaki
Positioning (in FF) and encoding needs some work, but here's the demo we started tonight @skinny @notenoughneon http://naomiyaki.com/laboratory/indieweb/hisvg.html
(twitter.com/_/status/443977407595167745)
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basal
This may be a dumb but is there a way to do comments on a static site? Gonna try out Jekyll.
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pauloppenheim
basal: depends what you mean by comment and by static
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pauloppenheim
there's always disqus, http://www.disqus.com/ but that doesn't interoperate w indieweb techniques AFAIK
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pauloppenheim
basal: marking up posts to be commented on works with static sites
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pauloppenheim
basal: you can receive webmentions on another domain, if you don't want to run the code to receive them on your own domain
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pauloppenheim
basal: as far as something javascript-y to draw the webmentions stored on the dynamic webmention server, i'm not sure if that exists yet
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basal
pauloppenheim, maybe write receive webmentions when the site is "built"
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pauloppenheim
basal: there are also other solutions out on the web that i'm not familiar with, like this: http://theshed.hezmatt.org/jekyll-static-comments/
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pauloppenheim
indiewebcamp.com appears to be down
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pauloppenheim
aaronpk: ^
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basal
was going to say that too
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pauloppenheim
(are there admins other than aaronpk?)
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kylewm
basal: webmention.io is not open to the public, but I think it could do exactly that
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kylewm
allows you to receive webmentions, and then query them via javascript
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snarfed
pauloppenheim, basal, kylewm: also check out https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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pauloppenheim
i was going to mention webmention.io, but went looking for wiki link and now here we are :)
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pauloppenheim
i did not know about that heroku app!
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basal
hotness
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kylewm
me neither, that's awesome
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pauloppenheim
oh, this is the voxpelli one
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basal
I like how the "Why this?" is exactly the usecase I asked about
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basal
now I just need to make the website :x
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pauloppenheim
basal: but at least you can do it statically on your local computer and just dump it somewhere :)
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pauloppenheim
good luck!
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basal
thanks
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acegiak
it occurs to me that you could use a custom tumblr theme and webmention.io to get most indieweb funtionality within the tumblr silo :S
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KartikPrabhu
yup down here too!
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caseorganic
!tell aaronpk indiewebcamp is down again (reported 22:54) by dariusdunlap and KartikPrabhu
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pauloppenheim
oh, tell works when people are idle too? that's cool.
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caseorganic
pauloppenheim: aaronpk is asleep so it will be at least 8 hours before wiki is back
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pauloppenheim
that's legit
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pauloppenheim
is he the only admin?
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KartikPrabhu
I think aaronpk handles the wiki
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KartikPrabhu
wikiserver
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KartikPrabhu
tantek also is owner/mod on the irc
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basal
acegiak, tumblr already has it's silo version so you'd get two sets of notes
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acegiak
basal: oh yes. I was just thinking about ways of doing things that are indieweb compatibile that are super low entry barrier
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acegiak
but then it's silo owned which sucks
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caseorganic
pauloppenheim: yes, the wiki is on one of aaron's servers. he hasn't changed it over yet due to external workload
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snarfed
acegiak, basal: incremental steps are ok
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snarfed
first step is your own domain
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pauloppenheim
that's also legit
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acegiak
interestingly I've got a couple of friends who have their own sites with their own domains properly seperately hosted
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pauloppenheim
it just means i have to stare at other things while i wait for Microsoft Azure to do whatever it is that it does when you press the "deploy" button
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acegiak
but those websites are for their professional identities so they have no desire to implement indieweb stuff because their personal content rather than their professional content goes in silos
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acegiak
oh my god I'm so thick. I've been watching the conversation about the wiki server and then went to look up whose project bridgy is on the wiki and got confused when it wouldn't load
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pauloppenheim
acegiak: snarfed wrote it
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acegiak
pauloppenheim: ta. Just thinking I can probably add tumblr support to it
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tommorris
I’ll nudge aaronpk via twitter
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KartikPrabhu
apparently aaronpk is sleeping and so wiki is down for another 8 hours or so
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pauloppenheim
cweiske tommorris - caseorganic mentioned that he is asleep, and it will be 8 hours
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dariusdunlap
Well, I got a few more things cleaned up and both https://dunlaps.net and https://dunlaps.net/darius have made progress... but now it's time to call it a night. G'nite all.
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tommorris
I’ve nudged him anyway. ;)
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@kevinmarks
“… the centralized, controlled platforms of today will be challenged by a new generation of innovators… ” #indieweb http://www.wordyard.com/2013/09/02/new-bridge-old-book-the-shape-of-software-progress/
(twitter.com/_/status/444010250648035328)
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aaronpk
wiki is rebooting
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Loqi
aaronpk: caseorganic left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: indiewebcamp is down again (reported 22:54) by dariusdunlap and KartikPrabhu
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aaronpk
i have the new serer almost ready, just need to finish setting upt he IRC logs on it
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@MogulAzam
RT @kevinmarks: “… the centralized, controlled platforms of today will be challenged by a new generation of innovators… ” #indieweb http://…
(twitter.com/_/status/444011280571977728)
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Loqi
aaronpk has 392 karma
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aaronpk
hopefully it stays up the rest of the night
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aaronpk
oh i have an idea
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cweiske
aaronpk, aaron.pk: Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.geoloqi.com/1/share/last?geoloqi_token=D5SxYre): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error in /web/sites/badg/badgs/BadgFeed.php on line 91
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aaronpk
oh great
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aaronpk
unrelated, but thanks
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aaronpk
ok that's fixed
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acegiak
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 393 karma
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acegiak
you're like hte wiki batman
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Loqi
is done
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@kevinmarks
“I just got back from hosting an amazing IndieWebCamp in San Francisco.” -@caseorganic #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014
(twitter.com/_/status/444016146597957632)
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: “I just got back from hosting an amazing IndieWebCamp in San Francisco.” -@caseorganic #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014
(twitter.com/_/status/444016452899983360)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: “I just got back from hosting an amazing IndieWebCamp in San Francisco.” -@caseorganic #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014
(twitter.com/_/status/444016667363131392)
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KevinMarks
we need to sing the batman song but with "wiki" instead of "nana"
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caseorganic
wiki wiki wiki wiki BATMAN, BATMAN
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caseorganic
so really aaronpk is a faster version of batman
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acegiak
Ok so I purchased aceigak.net, acegiak.me and acegiak.com now I have to add them to my bind9 setup
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acegiak
fun times!
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KevinMarks
nominates caseorganic for catwoman
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aaronpk
ok guys, please do not abuse this new power, but allow me to demonstrate:
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aaronpk
Loqi: reboot the wiki
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Loqi
Ok! I'm working on it...
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aaronpk
Loqi: reboot the wiki
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Loqi
Ok! I'm working on it...
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bear
hugs aaronpk
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aaronpk
yep it worked
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aaronpk
yeah, do that if you need to
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aaronpk
unfortunately if the wiki is down the IRC logs will also be down, so you won't be able to refer to this chat log for reference
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aaronpk
so uh, write it down or something
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bear
nods
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cweiske
.. or keep local chatlogs
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cweiske
.. or post this command on your website
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aaronpk
no please don't post this command on your website lol
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cweiske
security by obscurity, yay!
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Loqi
yay!
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caseorganic
Yes! Keep it in your brainlocker!
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aaronpk
ok now that I have taught Loqi a new trick I can go to sleep
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aaronpk
i can't wait to get rid of this poor server
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acegiak
aaronpk: does anyone have any experience configuring bind9?
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cweiske
I have
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aaronpk
acegiak: I have, but really what that means is I set up a bunch of scripts that reads config data from mysql long long ago and have never looked back
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aaronpk
does not recommend being your own DNS server
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cweiske
I recommend it
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cweiske
because it gives you power
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aaronpk
and responsibility
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cweiske
and self-hosted dyndyns capabilities
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bear
I moved on to orgs like DNSimple a long time ago
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cweiske
at work we use bind9, at home I use tinydns
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cweiske
resp. djbdns
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aaronpk
runs a bind server and points the linode DNS servers at it, so my DNS is served publicly from Linode but everything is configured on my own machine.
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aaronpk
anyway it's late, goodnight
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Loqi
buenas noches
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bear
good night aaronpk
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caseorganic
also going to sleep
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caseorganic
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 394 karma
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bear
good night caseorganic
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@dkmj
RT @kevinmarks: “… the centralized, controlled platforms of today will be challenged by a new generation of innovators… ” #indieweb http://…
(twitter.com/_/status/444021986361372672)
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cweiske
++Loqi
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caseorganic
cweiske: if aaronpk gets power and responsibility he'll turn from wiki batman to wiki spiderman!
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acegiak
cweiske: would you reccomend tinydns? I moved to my doing my own dns so I could have wildcard subdomains
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@justincoup
RT @nitot: It was really cool stumbling on the #indieweb meetup in SF. Got to meet with @kevinmarks in person! https://twitter.com/nitot/status/443974845626204160/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/444025263501111296)
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pauloppenheim
aaronpk: that is a smart way to run, i had not thought of that
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cweiske
acegiak, yes, I can recommend tinydns
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cweiske
no idea about wildcards, though
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cweiske
don't use them anymore
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acegiak
cweiske: yeah my need for them is rapidly disappearing
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acegiak
ok so now my new domains are pointing at my server
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@minimalistway
POSSE: Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE انشر في موقعك ووزع المحتويات في مواقع أخرى
(twitter.com/_/status/444036484534763520)
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acegiak
I LIVE!
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acegiak
acegiak.net exists!
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chrisroos.co.uk
edited /Events (+991) "Add London HWC to events list"
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tommorris
site seems to be back up again.
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cweiske
aaronpk gave us a restart-the-wiki-vserver loqi command
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Loqi
who, me?
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tommorris
restart all the things
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barryfrost.com
edited /events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (+86) "/* RSVP */ Added Barry Frost to list of attendees"
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barryfrost.com
created /User:Barryfrost.com (+35) "Adding quick link back to my site."
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tommorris
whee another attendee
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@minimalistway
هناك منتجو ألعاب مستقلين والآن هناك مصطلح indieweb، منتجي مواقع مستقلين ولا يعتمدون على خدمات الشركات
(twitter.com/_/status/444106944253399040)
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Jihaisse
There are independent producers of games and now there is a term indieweb, producers of independent sites and do not rely on corporate services
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Jihaisse
thank you google trad
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barnabywalters
good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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barnabywalters
I added a bunch of new people publishing microformats2 data to http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Examples_in_the_wild — if you’re not there, or know of someone not there, add them!
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barnabywalters
!tell aaronpk, caseorganic headsup: an esri PDX blog post linked to from mf2 examples in the wild has 404ed: http://pdx.esri.com/blog/2013/10/17/introducting-mapattack/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 28 minutes ago: headsup: an esri PDX blog post linked to from mf2 examples in the wild has 404ed: http://pdx.esri.com/blog/2013/10/17/introducting-mapattack/
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aaronpk
Is that really linked from the wiki? There's a typo in the slug
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aaronpk
"introducting"
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: ah, that would explain it :)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: thanks! not sure if we had the slug misspelled first or if I added it to the mf wiki spelled wrong
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aaronpk
Loqi: restart the wiki
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Loqi
Ok! I'm working on it...
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Loqi
The reboot request was sent! Wait a few minutes and the wiki should be back online
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aaronpk
ridiculous
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@kevinmarks
RT @freerange: We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/l…
(twitter.com/_/status/444132571740254208)
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aaronpk
i think it's ready!
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aaronpk
switching DNS for the wiki now
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aaronpk
ok in an hour or so it should be all switched over!
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barnabywalters
thanks aaronpk!
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snarfed
man, big milestone
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snarfed
end of an era for that server, sounds like
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snarfed
thanks for all your hard work on that migration!
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aaronpk
Yeah! *whew*
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aaronpk
There's a couple more things I need to get off the server then it will be turned off forever
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aaronpk
Ironically, this server migration took so long that the server that was supposed to replace it is now 2 years out of date
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indie-visitor
Hello, total newbie here. I'm trying to reach the organizers for IndieWebCampNYC 2014. Possible to do so here?
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indie-visitor
Interested in volunteering.
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barnabywalters
greetings indie-visitor!
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barnabywalters
welcome to #indiewebcamp — use /nick yournamehere to set your IRC nickname
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kylewm
out of curiosity, how does tantek see mentions on his site? they don't seem to be displayed anywhere
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jonnybarnes
kylewm: from what I remember being said, he simply stores webmentions, he hasn't implemented public displaying of them yet
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snarfed
yup. he uses webmention.io, and he checks it manually
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KartikPrabhu
why is irc log giving a 404?
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barnabywalters
KartikPrabhu: aaronpk’s doing some server migrations at the moment, that might be the cause
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KartikPrabhu
aah ok. I guess i missed that during offline time
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aaronpk
Oh no is it down again?
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aaronpk
I'm walking to the convention center and can look them
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barnabywalters
up for me — KartikPrabhu where are you seeing 404s? URL?
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aaronpk
About 20 minutes til I get there
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barnabywalters
KartikPrabhu: it’s up for me, perhaps the new DNS has not propagated to you yet
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KartikPrabhu
ok i'll try again in a bit and report. the homepage is not opening as well
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tantek
I'm seeing the 404 for all indiewebcamp.com URLs. cc: aaronpk
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snarfed
tantek: may be uneven dns propagation. it's working for me.
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tantek
nameserver propagation foo
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tantek
ok I'll go do other stuff for a bit :)
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aaronpk
oh forgot to set all the rules for the https server too
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tantek
heads-up! OSBridge call for proposals: http://opensourcebridge.org/call-for-proposals/
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aaronpk
oK! i think the wiki is fixed
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aaronpk
had to do some minor patches to mediawiki to make it work with the new php version
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tantek
heh. easier than upgrading the mediawiki version?
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aaronpk
way easier
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aaronpk
cause upgrading core means making sure all the extensions work
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aaronpk
and this is out of date enough that it's unlikely any of them are compatible still
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tantek
interesting. they break extensions that often huh.
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aaronpk
not sure, but would tkae me longer than this to find out :)
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aaronpk
longer and more brain power
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aaronpk
man our IRC logs get crawled a TON by search engines
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tantek
I guess that's good right?
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aaronpk
i guess!
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aaronpk
i need to make sure they are caching better I think
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: thanks for the python3 shims!
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu, thanks for merging them! :)
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KartikPrabhu
btw i was wondering if that helps fix this: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/10
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KartikPrabhu
basically in python < 3 some strings were str and other unicode in mf2py. I should check it with your updates
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aaronpk
good lord. just turned on file caching for the IRC logs and there's already 1mb of HTML
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kylewm
!tell KartikPrabhu ohh, it's worth checking, but I don't think that my changes would've helped (re: the unicode strings issue)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
that's not gonna work long term
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: kylewm left you a message 2 minutes ago: ohh, it's worth checking, but I don't think that my changes would've helped (re: the unicode strings issue)
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: Cool. Maybe i'll tackle that next. After I fix another bug snarfed issued
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kylewm
does anyone know if there is a trick to getting selfoss to work? I'm using it with MySQL, I run /update and the log says it inserts some things without errors, but the 'items' table remains empty cc: aaronpk
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aaronpk
that may just mean it couldn't find anything in the feed
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aaronpk
it hides errors pretty thoroughly
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kylewm
hrm, I added a handful of people that definitely have stuff from the last day or two http://reader.kylewm.com/
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aaronpk
not sure if the permalink works
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aaronpk
but go to the little configuration page
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aaronpk
some of the sources are red
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kylewm
mmm, you're right
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kylewm
maybe it doesn't handle atom feeds?
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aaronpk
it's complaining about my atom feed for example. which is kind of annoying and I don't reallyt want to fix it at this point
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aaronpk
i want an h-atom to atom service so I never have to think about making an xml file again
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Loqi
gives aaronpk an h
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kylewm
when you were working with it, you were adding support for reading microformats directly?
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aaronpk
my fork of it has a microformats plugin
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kylewm
gotcha, that would be much nicer :)
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aaronpk
i plan to submit a pull request but it still needs a lot of work
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aaronpk
ok. now individual line permalinks are cached at the data source level,so i'm storing 1k on disk per line of IRC instead of 5k for the finished HTML
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aaronpk
already at 250k of cache data though from all the crawlers
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aaronpk
luckily this server has like 100gb so it'll last a while :)
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kylewm
alas, back to tt-rss
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aaronpk
i'm getting really tempted to hack up the wordpress ios app to be a reader and micropub client
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aaronpk
had an interesting use case just now. I wanted to create a twitter list for a couple accounts I want to follow for esri stuff, but 1) I don't want the accounts to know I added them to this list, and 2) I couldn't find how to create the list from the twitter app
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kylewm
micropub opens some really interesting doors, excited to see where you go with it
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snarfed
aaronpk, re 1), i *think* if you make the list private, it won't notify the people on it
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snarfed
at least i hope so
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aaronpk
I *think* that is true as well, but I don't trust it enough to create a private list called "trolls"
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snarfed
heh, true. workaround: call it something else :P
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KartikPrabhu
like elves?
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aaronpk
fairies
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snarfed
"totally nice reasonable people"
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: too much sarcasm in that one
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aaronpk
that's better than the "level 2 leads" that @eviltantek was added to :P
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aaronpk
by that seo guy
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KartikPrabhu
interesting mf2 parsing bug/issue/concern by snarfed: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/20 cc: aaronpk any thoughts?
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aaronpk
oh weird, yeah it's coming from the implied url
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KartikPrabhu
yup. the parsing is conformant with the implied url algo
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snarfed
specifically the very bottom line, before the "Parse a hyperlink element…" section header, right?
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snarfed
that line seems totally wrong. if i'm reading it right, it basically says, take the first link you see inside this element, that's the implied url of this object!
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KartikPrabhu
yup unless it is h-*
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KartikPrabhu
should the rule say unless it is h-* or u-* ?
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snarfed
and you almost always link to *other* things, not yourself, so that seems totally wrong
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snarfed
even if it's not h-* or u-*, it probably points to something else that shouldn't be the implied url
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snarfed
anyway. we could take this to #microformats, if mf2 people tend to hang out there
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snarfed
(i'm really not an mf2 person though :P)
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KartikPrabhu
do mf2 people hangout there?
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snarfed
no clue
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aaronpk
tantek is the one to ask
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KartikPrabhu
he's been tagged in the github issue. I'll wait for more input on this
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KartikPrabhu
it seems that usage of mf2 has sort of surpassed what people expected while setting parsing rules...
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@kevinmarks
"So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/444204681569374208)
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu, you don't have a web accessible mf2py anywhere, do you?
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snarfed
ie a text box i can throw raw markup or a url into
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KartikPrabhu
not yet. I have been planning to do that.
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snarfed
np. would be trivial with app engine. i might if i get bored.
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KartikPrabhu
sure thing!
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KevinMarks
I have unmung.com which would make more sense for that than what it's doing at the moment
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: correction to the interpretation implied url - the last line actually says grab the non (h-) link which is the only direct child of the element.
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@obrien
RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/444206421433798656)
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snarfed
i thought it through more and this all actually seems fine. details: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/20#issuecomment-37581559
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snarfed
conclusion: i'm ignorant, ignore me :P
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KartikPrabhu
so you mean to say that in your example the u-in-reply-to should have been inside the e-content?
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KevinMarks
more that there should have been a permalink for it
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: you mean an explicit u-url?
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KevinMarks
shouldn't the h-entry have a permalink?
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KevinMarks
"an Entry should have an Entry Permalink" http://microformats.org/wiki/hentry
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KevinMarks
hm, but "if the Entry Permalink is missing, use the URI of the page;"
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KartikPrabhu
the first example does not have a permalink
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KevinMarks
oh, I'm reading the old one
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KartikPrabhu
the whole point of the implied parsing rules is as a fallback in case u-url is not actually declared
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KartikPrabhu
so i think snarfed's example is valid
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KevinMarks
right, but the old 'use the document URL as permalink' fallback got lost
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snarfed
KevinMarks++
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 7 karma
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KartikPrabhu
but that would come as a last resort in which case the u-in-reply-to will still get picked up
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KevinMarks
so safer to markup a u-url, but there is a behaviour change here from previous version, so should check with tantek if that was intended
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KartikPrabhu
true! marking up u-url is always safer.
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KevinMarks
if you do <a href="#" class ="u-url">#</a> does that work? If you don't know the url at posting time?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Pierre: my site is at http://kerolic.net though it's not very interesting [he's being modest, it looks very fancy]
(twitter.com/_/status/444209658841276417)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors
(twitter.com/_/status/444209761136177152)
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KartikPrabhu
!tell KevinMarks: yes. <a href="#" class ="u-url">#</a> does work! checked in php-mf2 http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
KevinMarks: KartikPrabhu left you a message 13 seconds ago: yes. <a href="#" class ="u-url">#</a> does work! checked in php-mf2 http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/?
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KevinMarks
oops. Quit my browser to fix sound, forgot irc is a browser app
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KartikPrabhu
also the u-url is normalised to absolute so href="#" will pick up the absolute one
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KevinMarks
heh. I need to fix that 'noterlive reposts last tweet when browser restarts' thing
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KevinMarks
or learn to close tabs
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KevinMarks
right, I was hoping absolute would work
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KevinMarks
I need a favicon for noterlive
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KevinMarks
so we've lost the "multiple posts on page with id's" bit of hentry I think
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KevinMarks
"if the Entry Permalink is missing, use the URI of the page
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KevinMarks
if the Entry has an "id" attribute, add that as a fragment to the page URI to distinguish individual entries"
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KevinMarks
which is old practice from Blogger at least
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KartikPrabhu
not really. one could post each h-entry with explicit u-urls and that would be fine. the problem is in implied rules when u-url is not actually given
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KartikPrabhu
also why is noterlive showing some hover thign with a bird?
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KevinMarks
(they still work
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KevinMarks
but now the posts have actual permalinks too)
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KevinMarks
hm, but my markup has <a name=""> instead of id
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KartikPrabhu
isn't name on of those funny old html attributes?
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KartikPrabhu
now used only on forms
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KartikPrabhu
gtg now. will catchup with this discussion later
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KevinMarks
it used to be the way to do fragments, before id
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@scaganoff
RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/444212809488814080)
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KevinMarks
nice of Zuck to give indieweb supporting quotes
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@AAinslie
RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/444214505749639169)
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@LloydDavis
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors
(twitter.com/_/status/444217879681314817)
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barnabywalters
this looks like a modern Indian version of Technorati: www.indiblogger.in/
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@ricmac
After my post yesterday about Indie Web, I see there is an #indieweb. @t, @caseorganic, @kevinmarks & others involved: 140 char overview?
(twitter.com/_/status/444224967375212544)
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kylewm
^ awesome
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@ShaneHudson
@ricmac Own your own data. Create your own tools. Share them. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles #indieweb
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Loqi
caseorganic: barnabywalters left you a message 7 hours, 34 minutes ago: headsup: an esri PDX blog post linked to from mf2 examples in the wild has 404ed: http://pdx.esri.com/blog/2013/10/17/introducting-mapattack/
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aaronpk
oh, fixed it already
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barnabywalters
caseorganic: ^^^ resolved now :)
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caseorganic
barnabywalters: thanks! :)
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@ricmac
RT @ShaneHudson: @ricmac Own your own data. Create your own tools. Share them. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles #indieweb
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@starrjulie
RT @ShaneHudson: @ricmac Own your own data. Create your own tools. Share them. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles #indieweb
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@schnarfed
@ricmac self hosted wordpress yes: pfefferle's IndieWeb plugin + http://t.co/N1iyhooRZC. wp dot com, not that i know of, sadly.
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@kevinmarks
@ricmac @t @caseorganic Your content is yours. You are better connected. You are in control. http://indiewebcamp.com/
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kylewm
aaronpk: re the h-atom to atom thing you mentioned this morning, your site looks really nice piped through barnaby's http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=afc5568b4e8643bfb05436b1caaf91bc
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@ricmac
RT @kevinmarks: @ricmac @t @caseorganic Your content is yours. You are better connected. You are in control. http://indiewebcamp.com/
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KevinMarks
weird, indiewebify.me can't see ricmac's domain
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed1: just as a headsup. I almost have a web front end for mf2py working. Should be online by tonight
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snarfed1
awesome!
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snarfed1
excited
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KartikPrabhu
should make testing so much easier...
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed1: do you know a good way to convert a dict to some html?
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snarfed1
the pprint module
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snarfed1
or json.dumps(…, indent=2)
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KartikPrabhu
aaha thanks will look those up! :)
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jonnybarnes
whats up with having snarfed and snarfed1 as usernames?
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snarfed
i expect it's due to unclean disconnects
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snarfed
when i reconnect and freenode still thinks snarfed is on, my client uses snarfed1
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snarfed
made that up but it sounds possible
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: in your changes to mf2py you inserted "from mf2py" in the import statements, which seems reasonable. but now I am getting an import errors on them. Any idea how to fix?
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu, oh no, is this with 2.7.6?
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KartikPrabhu
i don't understand why this is a problem!
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kylewm
darn, I was under the impression that absolute imports were always OK
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KartikPrabhu
that's what i though too
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KartikPrabhu
does it work on your system?
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kylewm
where do you see a problem? I only ran nosetests under 2, which mostly fail, but they fail consistently between 2 and 3
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kylewm
now that I am saying that, it feels like poor justification
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KartikPrabhu
i am just importing the parser in the python shell
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@ServiceSphere
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: have to rush somewhere. will hack this later
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu, OK sorry I just tried it now in the console and it seems to work, sorry!