#indiewebcamp 2014-03-13

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KartikPrabhu hmm... weird: http://discover-your-customers.com/2013/09/09/should-i-build-my-own-website/
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@kevinmarks @dangillmor @pmarca @mterenzio @tomforemski @Jason @mathewi they should POSSE to Facebook. #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/443901129911320576)
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iboxifoo KartikPrabhu some serious SEO FUD there
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@dangillmor @kevinmarks my next Guardian column is about IndieWeb @pmarca @mterenzio @tomforemski @Jason @mathewi (twitter.com/_/status/443901942839115776)
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@kevinmarks @dangillmor @pmarca @mterenzio @tomforemski @Jason @mathewi are you coming tonight? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/443902172158111745)
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@dangillmor @pmarca preview: http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/443903215894282240)
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@smalljones Looking forward to @dangillmor ’s book, Permission Taken, & article in @guardian after reading about IndieWeb Tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/443904399870799873)
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: @dangillmor @pmarca @mterenzio @tomforemski @Jason @mathewi they should POSSE to Facebook. #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/443905232083648513)
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@hrheingold RT @smalljones: Looking forward to @dangillmor ’s book, Permission Taken, & article in @guardian after reading about IndieWeb Tools http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/443906668816891904)
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Loqi skinny: tantek left you a message 56 minutes ago: can we try setting up the Vidyo connection for tonight's HWC meetup at ~18:00?
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tantek I seem to have kicked over a rock with "architects": https://twitter.com/t/status/443890173047484416
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@t Yesterday I tried again to find a good use for "URI" (vs "URL") and found a new reason for just "URL". #nerdproblems (ttk.me t4V12) (twitter.com/_/status/443890173047484416)
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tantek checks the wiki page for tonight's event
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tantek skinny, could you add the PDX details (parallel to the SF details) to this page? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (I think I left some template text in page comments if you edit it)
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skinny tantek: aye. can vidyo it at 1800
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skinny can we make the session length longer? I was just logged in yesterday and now I have to go reauth.
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skinny like... 30 days
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aaronpk skinny: i'm not sure how to do that, cause the way mediawiki wants you to do it doesn't work with the indieauth plugin
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@sewrighter Go @dangillmor go: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/443907588367724544)
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skinny so it doesn't persist your session at all? as in, when the tab is closed you're done?
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aaronpk it persists for some short amount of time, I forget hoe much
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skinny if we are building an auth system, we should at least get the basics of the UX of auth right :D
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@t Want to discuss URLs more? Come by tonight's Homebrew Website Club meetup 18:30 @MozSF @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4V18) (twitter.com/_/status/443907904748675072)
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skinny what does this mean " discuss URLs more" ?
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: Want to discuss URLs more? Come by tonight's Homebrew Website Club meetup 18:30 @MozSF @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4V18) (twitter.com/_/status/443908033161068544)
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skinny what do we believe is compelling about urls?
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aaronpk skinny: yeah that problem is with mediawiki, not indieauth
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skinny totally. but it looks like it's us. and it's our wediawiki instance.
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aaronpk yeah you're right
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aaronpk i'll keep looking into it. i hit a dead end the other night when I was trying to figure it out
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aaronpk can I replly to those ppl on twitter asking about tonight? it's at mozilla pdx right?
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skinny YES!
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crystalbeasley.com edited /events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (-29) "/* Where */" (view diff)
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aaronpk cool
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snarfed tantek: that 'architect's web site is bizcoder.com
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snarfed nuff said :P
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KartikPrabhu tantek: why do some of your tweets have a permashortcitation and others a permalink?
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tantek KartikPrabhu permashortlink = more content
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tantek skinny, join vidyo room "IndieWebCamp"
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dariusdunlap skinny: I'd like to be on that vidyo...
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KartikPrabhu tantek: i see! cool...
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tantek if Richard doesn't have it setup on @MozSF by 18:00, I'll be there by ~18:15 as backup
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skinny tantek: now or at 1800?
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skinny dariusdunlap: what?
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tantek 18:00 skinny
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tantek dariusdunlap I'll share a URL for you - you're remote right? once we have the connection up.
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/443907904748675072/235193328 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/443907904748675072/443908033161068544 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@aaronpk @naomiyaki @notenoughneon Yes! Homebrew website club is on tonight, despite @caseorganic and I being out of town... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/12/1/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/443909074644512768)
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dariusdunlap Yep. I'm at home down in Pescadero. Gorgeous day out here in the woods. Just got back from hiking with the hounds, er, I mean, "working out". ;-)
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aaronpk "URI: Not to be confused with its two subclasses, uniform resource locator (URL) and uniform resource name (URN)."
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@kragen RT @t: Want to discuss URLs more? Come by tonight's Homebrew Website Club meetup 18:30 @MozSF @MozPDX http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4V18) (twitter.com/_/status/443911776842047488)
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aaronpk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:URI_Euler_Diagram_no_lone_URIs.svg
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barnabywalters !tell tantek your notes are showing up out of order in http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed due to no timezones using <time> value-class pattern with only date and time components. unrelated: liking your thoughts on URL naming! such comment thread: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/?url=http://tantek.com/2014/071/t2/new-reason-just-url
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk barnabywalters: wait wat... are you querying webmention.io for tantek's post and rendering the thread?!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yes…
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk is now reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_identifier
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barnabywalters pretty sure I already demoed that, but it was a while ago
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barnabywalters it has caching now so isn’t horribly slow
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barnabywalters URL vs URI is one of those distinctions I used to be pedantic about, but it got boring so I just say URL now
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basal I was reading https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE, can anyone elaborate on what snowflake copying is? "notes (and article titles) are snowflake copied by the personal site server to Twitter with permashortlink citation"
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snarfed skinny: feel free to "vote" for https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/7
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skinny snarfed: done
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kylewm basal: snowflake APIs are unique to a particular provider/not based on a standard indiewebcamp.com/snowflake
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/443907904748675072/443911776842047488 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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kylewm (I had the same question when I read that, it might be worth linking snowflake to the article about it)
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basal kylewm, thank you
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kylewm I think the alternative is something like activitystrea.ms
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kylewm which Google Buzz used, and I think Status.net uses
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pauloppenheim !tell tantek the OSI network model is still the thing people learn to pass networking certification exams even though OSI was thrown to the overengineered crap heap
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pauloppenheim URI / URL / URN might live forever as a paddle to haze incoming IT journeyman with
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm.com edited /POSSE (+4) "/* IndieWeb examples */ link snowflake" (view diff)
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 15 minutes ago: your notes are showing up out of order in http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed due to no timezones using <time> value-class pattern with only date and time components. unrelated: liking your thoughts on URL naming! such comment thread: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/?url=http://tantek.com/2014/071/t2/new-reason-just-url
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Loqi tantek: pauloppenheim left you a message 6 minutes ago: the OSI network model is still the thing people learn to pass networking certification exams even though OSI was thrown to the overengineered crap heap
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pauloppenheim
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pauloppenheim URI / URL / URN might live forever as a paddle to haze incoming IT journeyman with
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pauloppenheim evidently loqi chokes on semicolons
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tantek and who cares about network certifications?
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dariusdunlap tantek drops the mic and walks off stage.
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dariusdunlap ;-)
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pauloppenheim basically!
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acegiak does anyone have xfn markup for in-laws?
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acegiak also: should I buy acegiak.me or acegiak.net?
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dariusdunlap Is the meeting started?
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skinny who's making it for tonight at PDX? aaronpk?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: The Homebrew Website Club is based on the Homebrew Computer Club ideas - 20 minutes of broadcast first (twitter.com/_/status/443924493493620736)
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kylewm_ dariusdunlap, were you able to video in to the mtg?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I'm tantek çelik co-founder of INdiewebcamp and my website is http://tantek.com (twitter.com/_/status/443924653862817793)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I'm at http://pauloppenheim.com - I'm implementing simplest possible webmention (twitter.com/_/status/443924942913290240)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @iboxifoo: I was at indiewebcamp too - I managed to POSSE locally, but i need to deploy it (twitter.com/_/status/443925084009668608)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I'm at http://snarfed.org and known for brid,gy (twitter.com/_/status/443925138728583168)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: The Homebrew Website Club is based on the Homebrew Computer Club ideas - 20 minutes of broadcast first (twitter.com/_/status/443925159381331968)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @skinny: I'm Crystal Beasley at http://crystalbeasley.com and I'm working on github deploying [@t also co-founded indiewebcamp] (twitter.com/_/status/443925508225765376)
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KevinMarks I missed the URL of the other person at portland than crystal
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I'm at http://snarfed.org and known for brid,gy (twitter.com/_/status/443925953270804480)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we had a good turnout at indiewebcamp SF last weekend, and managed to get @dangillmor connected to indieweb using plugins (twitter.com/_/status/443925958689824768)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I ran some stats on brid.gy: 155 users, 50% twitter 25% G+ 25% FB - sent 4500 sucesssfully received webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/443926234075234305)
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dariusdunlap Got that video link for me?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: NLNet support and sponsor open web work eg unhosted and sockethub - if you want support tell me (twitter.com/_/status/443926364027375617)
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Loqi [@dangillmor] I'm enthused MT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: good turnout at indiewebcamp SF
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Loqi managed to get @dangillmor connected to indieweb using plugins (http://twtr.io/j31Pwaevwp)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: that URL is NLnet.nl - they're in the netherlands? (twitter.com/_/status/443926487214075904)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I made a userscript called letstalk that displays comms icons in the browser (twitter.com/_/status/443926593014996992)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we had a good turnout at indiewebcamp SF last weekend, and managed to get @dangillmor connected to indieweb u… (twitter.com/_/status/443926795319259137)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I ran some stats on brid.gy: 155 users, 50% twitter 25% G+ 25% FB - sent 4500 sucesssfully received w… (twitter.com/_/status/443926815674232834)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: also brid.gy got a POSSE outbound mode which you trigger jusy by marking up your site (twitter.com/_/status/443926830828257280)
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pauloppenheim http://www.naomiyaki.com/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @naomiyaki: My domain is http://www.naomiyaki.com (twitter.com/_/status/443927161108701184)
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pauloppenheim http://notenoughneon.com/
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pauloppenheim http://strabd.com/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @notenoughneon: My site is http://notenoughneon.com (twitter.com/_/status/443927456832315392)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Strabd: I just got my site set up for indieweb at indiewebcamp this weekend http://strabd.com (twitter.com/_/status/443927693768556544)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @pauloppenheim: having seen private messaging snap together at indiewebcamp this weekend, I'd like to get those plugged together (twitter.com/_/status/443927827927556096)
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tantek http://notenoughneon.com/p/201403062000-query-microformats-like-xpath
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: something @notenoughneon poseted this week was querying microformats like xpath: http://notenoughneon.com/p/201403062000-query-microformats-like-xpath (twitter.com/_/status/443928199932956672)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @notenoughneon: I want to talk about images - I have a lot of images with text in - the image but also the text inside the image (twitter.com/_/status/443928374252421120)
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tantek discussing image + text right now
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dariusdunlap No remote hookup?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @notenoughneon: I'd like to have a way to embed microfomats in images well [km SVG might help] (twitter.com/_/status/443928766520520704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @naomiyaki: when you put japanese text into word balloons everything gets flipped, so that makes it harder (twitter.com/_/status/443928911026868225)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: it that text mixed script or multiple translations? (twitter.com/_/status/443928983672205313)
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@Strabd RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Strabd: I just got my site set up for indieweb at indiewebcamp this weekend http://strabd.com (twitter.com/_/status/443929024608227328)
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skinny nine slice scaling would be awesome to have in css http://asgamer.com/2009/using-9-slice-scaling-to-retain-shape-while-resizing
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @naomiyaki: I've done both - mixed text and translations (twitter.com/_/status/443929141055070208)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/comics
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: @caseorganic was working on an indieweb comic to explain indieweb, not an indieweb-expressed comic (twitter.com/_/status/443929289999020032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we have some comic types expressed in indieweb and how to represent these - see http://indiewebcamp.com/comics (twitter.com/_/status/443929423059091456)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we're largely useless but we know people who are useful (twitter.com/_/status/443929540013088768)
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@anselm RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we have some comic types expressed in indieweb and how to represent these - see http://indiewebcamp.com/comics (twitter.com/_/status/443929588406571008)
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tantek dariusdunlap one sec!
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dariusdunlap thx
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KevinMarks url for tristan?
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@Strabd I've been at the @mozilla space in SF a few times (tonight it's for #indieweb's Homebrew Computer Club) and I love it every time. (twitter.com/_/status/443930274661810176)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @nitot: I''m Tristan, here from Mozilla Paris and am interested in startign an indieweb event in paris (twitter.com/_/status/443930426156277761)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @nitot: my site is at http://standblog.org/blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/443930495202910208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: thank you @skinny for setting up the video link (twitter.com/_/status/443930732533387264)
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tantek naomi - feedback appreciated on the markup: http://tantek.com/2013/149/b1/bayesian
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skinny sticker? http://cl.ly/image/3d1G451T0b3k
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skinny how many we want?
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tantek hundreds?
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tantek I think we're gaining fans
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skinny the black line is the die cut
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@soycamo RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we have some comic types expressed in indieweb and how to represent these - see http://indiewebcamp.com/comics (twitter.com/_/status/443931054911397888)
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tantek skinny - is that new logo type?
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tantek we should update the logo on the site accordingly
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Strabd: I heard @caseorganic on a the InBeta podcast talking about Indieweb: http://5by5.tv/inbeta/90 (twitter.com/_/status/443931110557626369)
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Loqi agreed.
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skinny tantek: yep
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tantek sweet
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skinny the chunky bold is too clumsy
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tantek agreed
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KevinMarks looks like the kind of border-radius weirdness lea was showing today
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skinny why are there three differnt formats for reply to?
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skinny 1) rel in reply to 2) u in reply to and 3) p in reply to
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KevinMarks http://lea.verou.me/humble-border-radius/#three-values
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acegiak skinny: the first i think is old? the second two are becasue sometimes you just want to link to the thing you're replying to (u-reply-to) and sometimes you want to do other stuff like cite it (p-in-reply-to)
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KevinMarks I think u+rel are the same (saying the URL) and p- is for the bit you cite
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acegiak I think that those verbs like in-reply-to should be p by default
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acegiak so p-like-of and p-in-reply-to and p-repost-of
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acegiak because then they can all contain a u-url element or a p-content or both
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KevinMarks you still need a URL tho'
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acegiak yeah the child u-url element
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KevinMarks ah, I see
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tantek skinny - evolved from adapting to bloggers's existing markup & presentation
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tantek the idea is however you're linking / replying to stuff today, there's a way to mark it up easily
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acegiak ^answers the question of why it exists
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acegiak tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 26 karma
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tantek acegiak - perhaps we should add that to in-reply-to#FAQ
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tantek skinny - sticker looks good
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skinny i love veggie korma.
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tantek I don't get the top right corner having more border radius but I figure that's just me not getting it as a graphic designer
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tantek mmmm veggie korma! ok now getting hungry. definitely ending meeting at 19:30. ;)
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skinny tantek: that radius is based on the circle form of the C
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acegiak sure. I'm trying to work out whether I should change the markup in my likes and reposts to use h-like-of or p-like-of because they have child elements that include a u-url
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tantek skinny - now that you've said that it totally makes sense
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tantek ship it!
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skinny 500? $150
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skinny does we have budget?
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KevinMarks you can put both acegiak
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acegiak KevinMarks: yeah that's what I'm doing for now
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tantek skinny - Mozilla can sponsor them right?
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tantek 500 should last us for a while - ship half down here to SF?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Pierre: my site is at http://kerolic.net though it's not very interesting [he's being modest, it looks very fancy] (twitter.com/_/status/443934371352158208)
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KevinMarks acegiak: both is not ideal, but it gives flexibility for parsers
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skinny tantek: don't know. send details of this voodoo
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pauloppenheim pierre: http://kerolic.net/
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dariusdunlap tantek - http://www.yelp.com/biz/malabar-santa-cruz
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acegiak KevinMarks: yeah I'd rather be easily parsable
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pauloppenheim tristan: http://standblog.org
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Pierre: my site is at http://kerolic.net though it's not very interesting [he's being modest, it looks very f… (twitter.com/_/status/443935084367069184)
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skinny http://cl.ly/image/0g0Y1s332R23
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skinny tantek: ordered ^.^
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tantek woot!
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Loqi woot
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@kevinmarks tonight's Homebrew Website Club notes: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2014-03-12.html #indieweb @t @skinny @schnarfed @pauloppenheim @iboxifoo @naomiyaki @Strabd (twitter.com/_/status/443938518859907072)
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KevinMarks NISTIC event in mountain view april 1-3 deciding identity standards for govt: http://www.identitywoman.net/im-not-your-nstic-delegate-any-more-pls-get-involved
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club #indieweb (@ Mozilla San Francisco - @mozsf w/ @t) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F53211c85498e18436c3e142f (twitter.com/_/status/443941674017120256)
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@benatkin wow...my tumblr post is the only record of it. #internethistory #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/443943391059918848)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/443907904748675072/10173562 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@naomiyaki Longest distance photoshoot ever #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/443955101044969472)
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@naomiyaki RT @kevinmarks: tonight's Homebrew Website Club notes: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2014-03-12.html #indieweb @t @skinny @schnarfed @pauloppenheim @iboxifoo @nao… (twitter.com/_/status/443955200814882816)
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@nitot It was really cool stumbling on the #indieweb meetup in SF. Got to meet with @kevinmarks in person! https://twitter.com/nitot/status/443974845626204160/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/443974845626204160)
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bear ooo - stickers - give me the info and I'll order a bunch and be the east coast distributor if you want/need
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@naomiyaki Positioning (in FF) and encoding needs some work, but here's the demo we started tonight @skinny @notenoughneon http://naomiyaki.com/laboratory/indieweb/hisvg.html (twitter.com/_/status/443977407595167745)
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basal This may be a dumb but is there a way to do comments on a static site? Gonna try out Jekyll.
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pauloppenheim basal: depends what you mean by comment and by static
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pauloppenheim there's always disqus, http://www.disqus.com/ but that doesn't interoperate w indieweb techniques AFAIK
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pauloppenheim basal: marking up posts to be commented on works with static sites
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pauloppenheim basal: you can receive webmentions on another domain, if you don't want to run the code to receive them on your own domain
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pauloppenheim basal: as far as something javascript-y to draw the webmentions stored on the dynamic webmention server, i'm not sure if that exists yet
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basal pauloppenheim, maybe write receive webmentions when the site is "built"
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pauloppenheim basal: there are also other solutions out on the web that i'm not familiar with, like this: http://theshed.hezmatt.org/jekyll-static-comments/
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pauloppenheim indiewebcamp.com appears to be down
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pauloppenheim aaronpk: ^
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basal was going to say that too
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basal about the site being down http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://indiewebcamp.com/
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pauloppenheim (are there admins other than aaronpk?)
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kylewm basal: webmention.io is not open to the public, but I think it could do exactly that
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kylewm allows you to receive webmentions, and then query them via javascript
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snarfed pauloppenheim, basal, kylewm: also check out https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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pauloppenheim i was going to mention webmention.io, but went looking for wiki link and now here we are :)
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pauloppenheim i did not know about that heroku app!
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basal hotness
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kylewm me neither, that's awesome
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pauloppenheim oh, this is the voxpelli one
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basal I like how the "Why this?" is exactly the usecase I asked about
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pauloppenheim http://voxpelli.com/2013/12/webmentions-for-static-pages/
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pauloppenheim yup
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basal now I just need to make the website :x
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pauloppenheim basal: but at least you can do it statically on your local computer and just dump it somewhere :)
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pauloppenheim good luck!
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basal thanks
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acegiak it occurs to me that you could use a custom tumblr theme and webmention.io to get most indieweb funtionality within the tumblr silo :S
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dariusdunlap Yeah. http://indiewebcamp.com is down here, too
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KartikPrabhu yup down here too!
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caseorganic !tell aaronpk indiewebcamp is down again (reported 22:54) by dariusdunlap and KartikPrabhu
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pauloppenheim oh, tell works when people are idle too? that's cool.
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caseorganic pauloppenheim: aaronpk is asleep so it will be at least 8 hours before wiki is back
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pauloppenheim that's legit
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pauloppenheim is he the only admin?
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KartikPrabhu I think aaronpk handles the wiki
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KartikPrabhu wikiserver
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KartikPrabhu tantek also is owner/mod on the irc
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basal acegiak, tumblr already has it's silo version so you'd get two sets of notes
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acegiak basal: oh yes. I was just thinking about ways of doing things that are indieweb compatibile that are super low entry barrier
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acegiak but then it's silo owned which sucks
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caseorganic pauloppenheim: yes, the wiki is on one of aaron's servers. he hasn't changed it over yet due to external workload
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snarfed acegiak, basal: incremental steps are ok
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snarfed first step is your own domain
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pauloppenheim that's also legit
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acegiak interestingly I've got a couple of friends who have their own sites with their own domains properly seperately hosted
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pauloppenheim it just means i have to stare at other things while i wait for Microsoft Azure to do whatever it is that it does when you press the "deploy" button
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acegiak but those websites are for their professional identities so they have no desire to implement indieweb stuff because their personal content rather than their professional content goes in silos
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acegiak oh my god I'm so thick. I've been watching the conversation about the wiki server and then went to look up whose project bridgy is on the wiki and got confused when it wouldn't load
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pauloppenheim acegiak: snarfed wrote it
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pauloppenheim acegiak: https://www.brid.gy/about and https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy
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tommorris http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2091d4/i_am_tim_bernerslee_i_invented_the_www_25_years/cg0y2sm - "If it isn't on the web it doesn't exist"
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acegiak pauloppenheim: ta. Just thinking I can probably add tumblr support to it
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cweiske is someone fixing http://indiewebcamp.com/ ?
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tommorris I’ll nudge aaronpk via twitter
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KartikPrabhu apparently aaronpk is sleeping and so wiki is down for another 8 hours or so
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pauloppenheim cweiske tommorris - caseorganic mentioned that he is asleep, and it will be 8 hours
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cweiske k
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dariusdunlap Well, I got a few more things cleaned up and both https://dunlaps.net and https://dunlaps.net/darius have made progress... but now it's time to call it a night. G'nite all.
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tommorris I’ve nudged him anyway. ;)
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@kevinmarks “… the centralized, controlled platforms of today will be challenged by a new generation of innovators… ” #indieweb http://www.wordyard.com/2013/09/02/new-bridge-old-book-the-shape-of-software-progress/ (twitter.com/_/status/444010250648035328)
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aaronpk wiki is rebooting
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Loqi aaronpk: caseorganic left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: indiewebcamp is down again (reported 22:54) by dariusdunlap and KartikPrabhu
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aaronpk i have the new serer almost ready, just need to finish setting upt he IRC logs on it
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@MogulAzam RT @kevinmarks: “… the centralized, controlled platforms of today will be challenged by a new generation of innovators… ” #indieweb http://… (twitter.com/_/status/444011280571977728)
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pauloppenheim aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 392 karma
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aaronpk hopefully it stays up the rest of the night
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aaronpk oh i have an idea
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@caseorganic Belated writeup of last weekend's #indiewebcamp SF! #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014 (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/03/13/1/indiewebcamp-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/444012852672606208)
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Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2013/09/10/2/indiewebcamp-uk linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2013/09/10/2/indiewebcamp-uk linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (webmention)
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cweiske aaronpk, aaron.pk: Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.geoloqi.com/1/share/last?geoloqi_token=D5SxYre): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error in /web/sites/badg/badgs/BadgFeed.php on line 91
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aaronpk oh great
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aaronpk unrelated, but thanks
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aaronpk ok that's fixed
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acegiak aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 393 karma
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acegiak you're like hte wiki batman
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caseorganic http://meme.loqi.me/4V2dY6_p.jpg
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Loqi is done
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@kevinmarks “I just got back from hosting an amazing IndieWebCamp in San Francisco.” -@caseorganic #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014 (twitter.com/_/status/444016146597957632)
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks: “I just got back from hosting an amazing IndieWebCamp in San Francisco.” -@caseorganic #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014 (twitter.com/_/status/444016452899983360)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: “I just got back from hosting an amazing IndieWebCamp in San Francisco.” -@caseorganic #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014 (twitter.com/_/status/444016667363131392)
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KevinMarks we need to sing the batman song but with "wiki" instead of "nana"
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caseorganic wiki wiki wiki wiki BATMAN, BATMAN
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caseorganic so really aaronpk is a faster version of batman
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acegiak Ok so I purchased aceigak.net, acegiak.me and acegiak.com now I have to add them to my bind9 setup
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acegiak fun times!
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KevinMarks nominates caseorganic for catwoman
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aaronpk ok guys, please do not abuse this new power, but allow me to demonstrate:
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aaronpk Loqi: reboot the wiki
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Loqi Ok! I'm working on it...
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aaronpk er
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aaronpk Loqi: reboot the wiki
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Loqi Ok! I'm working on it...
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pauloppenheim uh oh
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bear hugs aaronpk
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aaronpk yep it worked
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bear \o/
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aaronpk so uh
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aaronpk yeah, do that if you need to
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aaronpk unfortunately if the wiki is down the IRC logs will also be down, so you won't be able to refer to this chat log for reference
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aaronpk so uh, write it down or something
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bear nods
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cweiske .. or keep local chatlogs
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cweiske .. or post this command on your website
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aaronpk no please don't post this command on your website lol
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cweiske security by obscurity, yay!
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Loqi yay!
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caseorganic Yes! Keep it in your brainlocker!
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aaronpk ok now that I have taught Loqi a new trick I can go to sleep
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aaronpk i can't wait to get rid of this poor server
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acegiak aaronpk: does anyone have any experience configuring bind9?
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cweiske I have
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aaronpk acegiak: I have, but really what that means is I set up a bunch of scripts that reads config data from mysql long long ago and have never looked back
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aaronpk does not recommend being your own DNS server
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cweiske I recommend it
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cweiske because it gives you power
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aaronpk and responsibility
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cweiske and self-hosted dyndyns capabilities
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aaronpk :D
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bear I moved on to orgs like DNSimple a long time ago
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cweiske at work we use bind9, at home I use tinydns
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cweiske resp. djbdns
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aaronpk runs a bind server and points the linode DNS servers at it, so my DNS is served publicly from Linode but everything is configured on my own machine.
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aaronpk anyway it's late, goodnight
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Loqi buenas noches
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bear good night aaronpk
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caseorganic also going to sleep
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caseorganic aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 394 karma
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bear good night caseorganic
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@dkmj RT @kevinmarks: “… the centralized, controlled platforms of today will be challenged by a new generation of innovators… ” #indieweb http://… (twitter.com/_/status/444021986361372672)
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cweiske ++Loqi
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caseorganic cweiske: if aaronpk gets power and responsibility he'll turn from wiki batman to wiki spiderman!
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caseorganic night
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acegiak cweiske: would you reccomend tinydns? I moved to my doing my own dns so I could have wildcard subdomains
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@justincoup RT @nitot: It was really cool stumbling on the #indieweb meetup in SF. Got to meet with @kevinmarks in person! https://twitter.com/nitot/status/443974845626204160/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/444025263501111296)
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pauloppenheim aaronpk: that is a smart way to run, i had not thought of that
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@AAinslie @albertwenger #IndieAuth: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth?utm_content=bufferaa962&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #OpenID (twitter.com/_/status/444032650333134849)
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cweiske acegiak, yes, I can recommend tinydns
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cweiske no idea about wildcards, though
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cweiske don't use them anymore
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acegiak cweiske: yeah my need for them is rapidly disappearing
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acegiak ok so now my new domains are pointing at my server
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@minimalistway POSSE: Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE انشر في موقعك ووزع المحتويات في مواقع أخرى (twitter.com/_/status/444036484534763520)
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acegiak I LIVE!
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acegiak acegiak.net exists!
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@AAinslie @mattmcalister #IndieWeb: http://indiewebcamp.com/?utm_content=buffer20b12&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/444061644927541248)
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chrisroos.co.uk edited /Events (+991) "Add London HWC to events list" (view diff)
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@wildebees Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools - http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/?utm_content=buffer818f4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/444070934572695552)
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@cstanhope RT @caseorganic: Belated writeup of last weekend's #indiewebcamp SF! #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp-sf-2014 (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/03/13/1/indiewebcamp-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/444079720028577793)
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tommorris site seems to be back up again.
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cweiske aaronpk gave us a restart-the-wiki-vserver loqi command
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Loqi who, me?
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tommorris restart all the things
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barryfrost.com edited /events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (+86) "/* RSVP */ Added Barry Frost to list of attendees" (view diff)
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barryfrost.com created /User:Barryfrost.com (+35) "Adding quick link back to my site." (view diff)
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tommorris whee another attendee
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@minimalistway هناك منتجو ألعاب مستقلين والآن هناك مصطلح indieweb، منتجي مواقع مستقلين ولا يعتمدون على خدمات الشركات (twitter.com/_/status/444106944253399040)
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Jihaisse There are independent producers of games and now there is a term indieweb, producers of independent sites and do not rely on corporate services
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Jihaisse thank you google trad
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barnabywalters good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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barnabywalters I added a bunch of new people publishing microformats2 data to http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Examples_in_the_wild — if you’re not there, or know of someone not there, add them!
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barnabywalters !tell aaronpk, caseorganic headsup: an esri PDX blog post linked to from mf2 examples in the wild has 404ed: http://pdx.esri.com/blog/2013/10/17/introducting-mapattack/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Heh
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Loqi aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 28 minutes ago: headsup: an esri PDX blog post linked to from mf2 examples in the wild has 404ed: http://pdx.esri.com/blog/2013/10/17/introducting-mapattack/
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aaronpk Is that really linked from the wiki? There's a typo in the slug
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aaronpk "introducting"
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ah, that would explain it :)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: fixed http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Examples_in_the_wild
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@justinepankaj RT @vrypan: RT @vrypan: https://indieauth.com/ is simple, brilliant and works like a charm. Read @aaronpk's: guide: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/09/15/1/indieauth-now-supports-openid-delegation (twitter.com/_/status/444122239332810752)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: thanks! not sure if we had the slug misspelled first or if I added it to the mf wiki spelled wrong
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aaronpk Loqi: restart the wiki
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Loqi Ok! I'm working on it...
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Loqi The reboot request was sent! Wait a few minutes and the wiki should be back online
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aaronpk ridiculous
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@kevinmarks RT @freerange: We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/l… (twitter.com/_/status/444132571740254208)
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aaronpk i think it's ready!
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@RAAKonteurs Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools - http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/?utm_content=buffer0590d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/444137822413680640)
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aaronpk switching DNS for the wiki now
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aaronpk ok in an hour or so it should be all switched over!
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barnabywalters thanks aaronpk!
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snarfed man, big milestone
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snarfed end of an era for that server, sounds like
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snarfed thanks for all your hard work on that migration!
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aaronpk Yeah! *whew*
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aaronpk There's a couple more things I need to get off the server then it will be turned off forever
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aaronpk Ironically, this server migration took so long that the server that was supposed to replace it is now 2 years out of date
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snarfed whoa
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indie-visitor Hello, total newbie here. I'm trying to reach the organizers for IndieWebCampNYC 2014. Possible to do so here?
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indie-visitor Interested in volunteering.
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barnabywalters greetings indie-visitor!
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barnabywalters welcome to #indiewebcamp — use /nick yournamehere to set your IRC nickname
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kylewm out of curiosity, how does tantek see mentions on his site? they don't seem to be displayed anywhere
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jonnybarnes kylewm: from what I remember being said, he simply stores webmentions, he hasn't implemented public displaying of them yet
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snarfed yup. he uses webmention.io, and he checks it manually
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kylewm neat
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KartikPrabhu why is irc log giving a 404?
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: aaronpk’s doing some server migrations at the moment, that might be the cause
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KartikPrabhu aah ok. I guess i missed that during offline time
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aaronpk Oh no is it down again?
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aaronpk I'm walking to the convention center and can look them
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barnabywalters up for me — KartikPrabhu where are you seeing 404s? URL?
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aaronpk Then
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aaronpk About 20 minutes til I get there
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KartikPrabhu barnabywalters: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: it’s up for me, perhaps the new DNS has not propagated to you yet
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KartikPrabhu ok i'll try again in a bit and report. the homepage is not opening as well
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tantek I'm seeing the 404 for all indiewebcamp.com URLs. cc: aaronpk
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snarfed tantek: may be uneven dns propagation. it's working for me.
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tantek nameserver propagation foo
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tantek ok I'll go do other stuff for a bit :)
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aaronpk oh forgot to set all the rules for the https server too
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tantek heads-up! OSBridge call for proposals: http://opensourcebridge.org/call-for-proposals/
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aaronpk oK! i think the wiki is fixed
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aaronpk had to do some minor patches to mediawiki to make it work with the new php version
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tantek heh. easier than upgrading the mediawiki version?
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aaronpk way easier
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aaronpk cause upgrading core means making sure all the extensions work
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aaronpk and this is out of date enough that it's unlikely any of them are compatible still
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tantek interesting. they break extensions that often huh.
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aaronpk not sure, but would tkae me longer than this to find out :)
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aaronpk longer and more brain power
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aaronpk man our IRC logs get crawled a TON by search engines
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tantek I guess that's good right?
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aaronpk i guess!
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aaronpk i need to make sure they are caching better I think
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: thanks for the python3 shims!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, thanks for merging them! :)
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KartikPrabhu btw i was wondering if that helps fix this: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/10
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KartikPrabhu basically in python < 3 some strings were str and other unicode in mf2py. I should check it with your updates
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aaronpk good lord. just turned on file caching for the IRC logs and there's already 1mb of HTML
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kylewm !tell KartikPrabhu ohh, it's worth checking, but I don't think that my changes would've helped (re: the unicode strings issue)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk that's not gonna work long term
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: kylewm left you a message 2 minutes ago: ohh, it's worth checking, but I don't think that my changes would've helped (re: the unicode strings issue)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: Cool. Maybe i'll tackle that next. After I fix another bug snarfed issued
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kylewm does anyone know if there is a trick to getting selfoss to work? I'm using it with MySQL, I run /update and the log says it inserts some things without errors, but the 'items' table remains empty cc: aaronpk
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aaronpk that may just mean it couldn't find anything in the feed
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aaronpk it hides errors pretty thoroughly
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kylewm hrm, I added a handful of people that definitely have stuff from the last day or two http://reader.kylewm.com/
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aaronpk this shows some errors http://reader.kylewm.com/#sources
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aaronpk not sure if the permalink works
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aaronpk but go to the little configuration page
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aaronpk some of the sources are red
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kylewm mmm, you're right
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kylewm maybe it doesn't handle atom feeds?
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aaronpk it's complaining about my atom feed for example. which is kind of annoying and I don't reallyt want to fix it at this point
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aaronpk i want an h-atom to atom service so I never have to think about making an xml file again
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Loqi gives aaronpk an h
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kylewm when you were working with it, you were adding support for reading microformats directly?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk my fork of it has a microformats plugin
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kylewm gotcha, that would be much nicer :)
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aaronpk i plan to submit a pull request but it still needs a lot of work
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aaronpk ok. now individual line permalinks are cached at the data source level,so i'm storing 1k on disk per line of IRC instead of 5k for the finished HTML
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aaronpk already at 250k of cache data though from all the crawlers
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aaronpk luckily this server has like 100gb so it'll last a while :)
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tantek nice
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kylewm alas, back to tt-rss
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aaronpk i'm getting really tempted to hack up the wordpress ios app to be a reader and micropub client
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aaronpk had an interesting use case just now. I wanted to create a twitter list for a couple accounts I want to follow for esri stuff, but 1) I don't want the accounts to know I added them to this list, and 2) I couldn't find how to create the list from the twitter app
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kylewm micropub opens some really interesting doors, excited to see where you go with it
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snarfed aaronpk, re 1), i *think* if you make the list private, it won't notify the people on it
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snarfed at least i hope so
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aaronpk I *think* that is true as well, but I don't trust it enough to create a private list called "trolls"
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snarfed heh, true. workaround: call it something else :P
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aaronpk heh
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KartikPrabhu like elves?
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aaronpk fairies
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snarfed "totally nice reasonable people"
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: too much sarcasm in that one
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aaronpk that's better than the "level 2 leads" that @eviltantek was added to :P
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aaronpk by that seo guy
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KartikPrabhu lol
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KartikPrabhu interesting mf2 parsing bug/issue/concern by snarfed: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/20 cc: aaronpk any thoughts?
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aaronpk oh weird, yeah it's coming from the implied url
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KartikPrabhu yup. the parsing is conformant with the implied url algo
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snarfed specifically the very bottom line, before the "Parse a hyperlink element…" section header, right?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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snarfed that line seems totally wrong. if i'm reading it right, it basically says, take the first link you see inside this element, that's the implied url of this object!
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KartikPrabhu yup unless it is h-*
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KartikPrabhu should the rule say unless it is h-* or u-* ?
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snarfed and you almost always link to *other* things, not yourself, so that seems totally wrong
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snarfed even if it's not h-* or u-*, it probably points to something else that shouldn't be the implied url
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snarfed anyway. we could take this to #microformats, if mf2 people tend to hang out there
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snarfed (i'm really not an mf2 person though :P)
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KartikPrabhu do mf2 people hangout there?
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snarfed no clue
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aaronpk tantek is the one to ask
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snarfed yeah
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KartikPrabhu he's been tagged in the github issue. I'll wait for more input on this
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KartikPrabhu it seems that usage of mf2 has sort of surpassed what people expected while setting parsing rules...
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Loqi [mention] http://www.bottomfeederusa.com/2014/03/06/this-week-in-google-239-the-oscar-selfie/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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@kevinmarks "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444204681569374208)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu, you don't have a web accessible mf2py anywhere, do you?
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snarfed ie a text box i can throw raw markup or a url into
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KartikPrabhu not yet. I have been planning to do that.
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snarfed np. would be trivial with app engine. i might if i get bored.
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KartikPrabhu sure thing!
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KevinMarks I have unmung.com which would make more sense for that than what it's doing at the moment
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snarfed lol
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: correction to the interpretation implied url - the last line actually says grab the non (h-) link which is the only direct child of the element.
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snarfed right
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@obrien RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444206421433798656)
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snarfed i thought it through more and this all actually seems fine. details: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/20#issuecomment-37581559
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snarfed conclusion: i'm ignorant, ignore me :P
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KartikPrabhu so you mean to say that in your example the u-in-reply-to should have been inside the e-content?
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KevinMarks more that there should have been a permalink for it
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: you mean an explicit u-url?
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KevinMarks shouldn't the h-entry have a permalink?
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KevinMarks "an Entry should have an Entry Permalink" http://microformats.org/wiki/hentry
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KevinMarks hm, but "if the Entry Permalink is missing, use the URI of the page;"
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KartikPrabhu http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
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KartikPrabhu the first example does not have a permalink
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KevinMarks oh, I'm reading the old one
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KartikPrabhu the whole point of the implied parsing rules is as a fallback in case u-url is not actually declared
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KartikPrabhu so i think snarfed's example is valid
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KevinMarks right, but the old 'use the document URL as permalink' fallback got lost
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KartikPrabhu yup
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snarfed KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 7 karma
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KartikPrabhu but that would come as a last resort in which case the u-in-reply-to will still get picked up
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KevinMarks so safer to markup a u-url, but there is a behaviour change here from previous version, so should check with tantek if that was intended
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KartikPrabhu true! marking up u-url is always safer.
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KevinMarks if you do <a href="#" class ="u-url">#</a> does that work? If you don't know the url at posting time?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Pierre: my site is at http://kerolic.net though it's not very interesting [he's being modest, it looks very fancy] (twitter.com/_/status/444209658841276417)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/444209761136177152)
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KartikPrabhu !tell KevinMarks: yes. <a href="#" class ="u-url">#</a> does work! checked in php-mf2 http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi KevinMarks: KartikPrabhu left you a message 13 seconds ago: yes. <a href="#" class ="u-url">#</a> does work! checked in php-mf2 http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/?
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KevinMarks oops. Quit my browser to fix sound, forgot irc is a browser app
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KartikPrabhu also the u-url is normalised to absolute so href="#" will pick up the absolute one
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KevinMarks heh. I need to fix that 'noterlive reposts last tweet when browser restarts' thing
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KevinMarks or learn to close tabs
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KevinMarks right, I was hoping absolute would work
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KevinMarks I need a favicon for noterlive
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KevinMarks so we've lost the "multiple posts on page with id's" bit of hentry I think
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KevinMarks "if the Entry Permalink is missing, use the URI of the page
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KevinMarks if the Entry has an "id" attribute, add that as a fragment to the page URI to distinguish individual entries"
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KevinMarks which is old practice from Blogger at least
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KartikPrabhu not really. one could post each h-entry with explicit u-urls and that would be fine. the problem is in implied rules when u-url is not actually given
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KartikPrabhu also why is noterlive showing some hover thign with a bird?
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KevinMarks blogger permlainks used to look like http://epeus.blogspot.com/2002_07_01_epeus_archive.html#85242004
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KevinMarks (they still work
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KevinMarks but now the posts have actual permalinks too)
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KartikPrabhu i see
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KevinMarks hm, but my markup has <a name=""> instead of id
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KartikPrabhu isn't name on of those funny old html attributes?
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KartikPrabhu now used only on forms
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KartikPrabhu gtg now. will catchup with this discussion later
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KevinMarks it used to be the way to do fragments, before id
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@scaganoff RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444212809488814080)
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KevinMarks nice of Zuck to give indieweb supporting quotes
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@AAinslie RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444214505749639169)
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@LloydDavis RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/444217879681314817)
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barnabywalters this looks like a modern Indian version of Technorati: www.indiblogger.in/
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@ricmac After my post yesterday about Indie Web, I see there is an #indieweb. @t, @caseorganic, @kevinmarks & others involved: 140 char overview? (twitter.com/_/status/444224967375212544)
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kylewm ^ awesome
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@ShaneHudson @ricmac Own your own data. Create your own tools. Share them. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444227094311350272)
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Loqi caseorganic: barnabywalters left you a message 7 hours, 34 minutes ago: headsup: an esri PDX blog post linked to from mf2 examples in the wild has 404ed: http://pdx.esri.com/blog/2013/10/17/introducting-mapattack/
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aaronpk oh, fixed it already
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barnabywalters caseorganic: ^^^ resolved now :)
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caseorganic barnabywalters: thanks! :)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/139199211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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@ricmac RT @ShaneHudson: @ricmac Own your own data. Create your own tools. Share them. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444229948056694784)
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aaronpk nice
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/25388528 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/444229948056694784 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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@starrjulie RT @ShaneHudson: @ricmac Own your own data. Create your own tools. Share them. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444231876857692160)
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@schnarfed @ricmac self hosted wordpress yes: pfefferle's IndieWeb plugin + http://t.co/N1iyhooRZC. wp dot com, not that i know of, sadly. (twitter.com/_/status/444233952862019584)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/444231447679741952 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/444232610856710144 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/444233952862019584 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/444231876857692160 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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@kevinmarks @ricmac @t @caseorganic Your content is yours. You are better connected. You are in control. http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/444239822576574464)
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kylewm aaronpk: re the h-atom to atom thing you mentioned this morning, your site looks really nice piped through barnaby's http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=afc5568b4e8643bfb05436b1caaf91bc
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@ricmac RT @kevinmarks: @ricmac @t @caseorganic Your content is yours. You are better connected. You are in control. http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/444240271979450368)
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@ShaneHudson @nickreffitt Yep, you would have thought they would have learned by now! http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/444241639910170624)
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KevinMarks weird, indiewebify.me can't see ricmac's domain
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KevinMarks http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fricm.ac
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/444245279911313408)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/ShaneHudson/444241639910170624/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: "So it's up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. " - @finkd https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101301165605491 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/444245750961033216)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/ShaneHudson/444227094311350272/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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jonnybarnes KevinMarks re: ricmac domain -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1924434/curl-error-52-empty-reply-from-server
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KartikPrabhu snarfed1: just as a headsup. I almost have a web front end for mf2py working. Should be online by tonight
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snarfed1 awesome!
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snarfed1 excited
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KartikPrabhu should make testing so much easier...
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KartikPrabhu snarfed1: do you know a good way to convert a dict to some html?
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snarfed1 the pprint module
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snarfed1 or json.dumps(…, indent=2)
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KartikPrabhu aaha thanks will look those up! :)
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jonnybarnes whats up with having snarfed and snarfed1 as usernames?
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snarfed i expect it's due to unclean disconnects
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snarfed when i reconnect and freenode still thinks snarfed is on, my client uses snarfed1
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snarfed made that up but it sounds possible
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: in your changes to mf2py you inserted "from mf2py" in the import statements, which seems reasonable. but now I am getting an import errors on them. Any idea how to fix?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, oh no, is this with 2.7.6?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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KartikPrabhu i don't understand why this is a problem!
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kylewm darn, I was under the impression that absolute imports were always OK
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KartikPrabhu that's what i though too
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KartikPrabhu does it work on your system?
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kylewm where do you see a problem? I only ran nosetests under 2, which mostly fail, but they fail consistently between 2 and 3
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kylewm now that I am saying that, it feels like poor justification
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KartikPrabhu i am just importing the parser in the python shell
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: have to rush somewhere. will hack this later
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, OK sorry I just tried it now in the console and it seems to work, sorry!