#indiewebcamp 2014-03-12

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KevinMarks hm. well, a strict activity stream would be 2 entries, but I can see marking that up more compactly using microformats
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KevinMarks 'cos AS is (actor, verb, object)
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KevinMarks so you'd have 2 verbs?
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KevinMarks with same actor and object?
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acegiak kevinmarks: yeah ive got a bunch of posts have 2 or more verbs
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KevinMarks so the challenge there is them parsing consistently
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak example: http://acegiak.machinespirit.net/2014/03/11/a-tampon-tea-monster-photo-5/
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KevinMarks acegiak: ah, and he was only seeing one of the verbs?
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acegiak something like that yeah
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KevinMarks thinkg is , there's always at least a post verb plus something else
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KevinMarks implied post etc
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kylewm is there a database trick to get the # of articles/notes in the current day? or do you just do a select and take the maximum of all the count values?
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kylewm trying to assign a unique id (post-type, date, counter)
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caseorganic.com edited /generations (+130) "/* IndieWeb Generations */ Added a super basic html table" (view diff)
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caseorganic.com edited /generations (-30) "/* IndieWeb Generations */ Changed to Wiki Markup table" (view diff)
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bear this? https://indieweb.org/
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bear grr
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bear listen 443 default_server ssl;
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aaronpk oh I didn't even see default_server ssl
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aaronpk ha that probably would work too
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bear now that url is giving me a domain issue
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bear yea, I never use upstart
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bear init.d if I have to otherwise /etc/sv
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aaronpk bah I messed something up with the key for that cert. I used some other private key
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bear ouch
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bear clearing a private key is tedious but doable - google has the solution
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aaronpk startssl charges $24 to revoke a cert too, lol
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bear ouch
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aaronpk ok there we go
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aaronpk i think i'm missingthe intermediate cert
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aaronpk but it isn't complaining for some reason
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bear sslab will tell you that
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bear https will let you connect with odd cert orders from browsers
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bear \o/ "hi" received
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi woot
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aaronpk ok it works!
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aaronpk and it gets an "A"
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bear I could have sworn that nginx page had that line
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aaronpk it did, I added "ssl on" a minute ago
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bear what version of nginx?
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aaronpk 1.4.6
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aaronpk compiled today
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bear must be a version diff then - my configs don't have ssl on
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aaronpk ok added back the cipher line and everything is still working!
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bear sweet!
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aaronpk yeah that was my bad. i've always used "ssl on", and didn't notice the "default_server" at the end of the listen line. so now mine looks like the wiki.
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bear ahhh
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bear k I get what you meant now (and I googled nginx ssl on) - it had been a while since I last used that
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bear shrugs
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bear the important thing is that you are now SSL enabled
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aaronpk man i'm still on the fence about whether to use linode or aws for this stuff
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bear yea, that is a tough call
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bear I have personal servers so for me it's a moot point
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aaronpk it's easier to throw servers around and upgrade parts in AWS
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bear yep
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bear I prefer AWS or Rackspace just for that reason
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bear linode makes me all stabby with their UI
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aaronpk linode is more like running a physical server
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bear nods
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aaronpk i'd have to figure out how to handle wiki file uploads if I move to AWS
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bear s3 bucket that is used for temp?
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bear oh - for wiki users uploading?
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aaronpk yeah, all the images that are on the wiki are currently in the filesystem of the machine. but that's not good in AWS
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bear yea, you could run a job that s3cmd rsyncs
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bear it's what I do for a lot of stuff that is on AWS
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bear upload to wiki
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bear either have a daemon monitoring dir or run a cronjob every couple of minutes
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aaronpk heh
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bear that uses s3cmd to sync to bucket
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aaronpk there's also s3fuse
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bear :)
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bear hugs his low tech scripts
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KartikPrabhu does anyone here use jetpack for wordpress?
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KartikPrabhu or the relevant question is jetpack to publish to Google+
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bear I no nothing about wordpress or it's realm
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KartikPrabhu the reason I ask is Jetpack seems to be able to auto-publish to a Google+ user page, but there is nothing about this in the Google+ API
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KartikPrabhu I am sure snarfed would love to have this for bridgy
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bear ah
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KartikPrabhu I was attempting to reverse-engineer or something :D
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KevinMarks_ you can reverse engineer the + button
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KevinMarks_ maybe what they did
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KevinMarks_ Will made a button you have to click that makes it approved
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KartikPrabhu aaha! So it seems Google provides write access through their APIs on a case by case basis. Wordpress.com has access and the Jetpack plugin just piggybacks on that.
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KartikPrabhu reference: https://www.nick.pro/2013/12/12/automatically-post-wordpress-blog-google-jetpack/
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KartikPrabhu Google's "partner sign-up" : https://developers.google.com/+/api/pages-signup
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KartikPrabhu aah poop! This is all already known. ref: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google%2B#POSSE
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KartikPrabhu must practice reading the wiki more carefully
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kylewm is it just me or is tantek's site by far the hardest to parse correctly? :P
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KartikPrabhu with mf2py?
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kylewm mf2py is going great
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kylewm i am just learning things i didn't know about mf
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kylewm ...and html
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kylewm (which is a good thing)
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KartikPrabhu aah ok! :) yeah that happens a lot in the beginning (and later too :P)
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kylewm :)
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KartikPrabhu !tell caseorganic: here is a horrid sketch of the other triangle, depicting how much tech. expertise is needed at each indiewebcamp generation. Just a thought
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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scottjenson This medium post packs a pretty good punch. Strongly encourages the IndieWeb
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scottjenson https://medium.com/p/f7b8c66109ea
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scottjenson in concept, but not name
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KartikPrabhu scottjenson: I think the article is more about having another social network. I did not get any sense of encouraging "writing/sharing on your own space" instead of an aggregate silo.
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basal Hey all, trying to get into indieweb and understand microformats and all
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basal Most of this seem to be focused on personal sites. I'm becoming the webmaster for my college newspaper, any different takes for an organization rather than individual?
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cweiske you still have posts/entries with a date, heading, content
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cweiske microformats let you mark them up
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basal yep we're using wordpress
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cweiske then it's the task of your wp theme to add the correct markup/classes
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basal yeah, right now I don't have access to the theme but when I get permission there will be lots of fixing up
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basal I added SubToMe to make it easy to subscribe to the rss feed
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basal wish there was something similar for podcasts
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cweiske basal, what would you expect from it?
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basal Well there are lots of podcatchers, most people use iTunes but there are Miro, Zune, gPodder, Winamp, Juice and that's not including mobile.
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basal cweiske, I guess it's tough because most podcatchers arn't websites
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cweiske technically, podcasts are only rss or atom feeds
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basal with media attachments
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cweiske so when the applications register themselves as handlers for those MIME types, the browser would open them
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basal well now browsers can handle most media formats themselves thanks to html5
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basal now I use my phone to listen to podcasts though
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basal on android there is a "share via firefox sync" option that I use to send pages from my phone to computers. Having that functionality on a website, to send the page to your phone, would be amazing.
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basal if anyone from Mozilla is listening
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cweiske not here, no
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basal https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Sync/Push_to_device
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cweiske then you still only have the link in firefox on your phone, not on your podcast app
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basal well like you said before, the application registered to handle the MIME type can grab it
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cweiske right
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basal or "intent" in android
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cweiske my workflow is: subscribe to feed => opens my feed reader => I put it in the "podcasts" category => my phone podcast app fetches the OPML file for the podcasts category from my feed reader => automatically has the new podcast
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tantek cweiske - not true, numerous Mozilla people are listening here (myself included)
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tantek basal - podcasts are an interesting case for sure!
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basal tantek, I'm glad it's on topic
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basal cweiske, so your feed reader is web based? how does the podcast app fetch the OPML?
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cweiske via http
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cweiske I use tt-rss (tiny tiny rss) as feed reader
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basal have you looked at https://gpodder.net? It provides an API to sync subscriptions and what you've listened to
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basal useful for multiple devices
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cweiske I actually use gpodder on maemo
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basal the web service is open source too https://github.com/gpodder/mygpo
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@xtof_fr @btincq @nitot how about progamming a first #indiewebcamp Paris ? I'd be happy to help as a side-event during @OuiShareFest ? (twitter.com/_/status/443652916084105216)
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@aral RT @encyclopediaios: Really motivating conversation with @aral today! Looking forward to @indie_phone #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/443669620701298689)
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@pauloppenheim i made an "echo" command for webmentions in python at #indiewebcamp this weekend — https://github.com/pauloppenheim/webmention-basic (twitter.com/_/status/443679071805788162)
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@dahacouk @nitot @xtof_fr @btincq @rik24d @maxlath Also #indiewebcamp at @OuiShareLabs Camp 1-4 May at @MozillaParis then present at @OuiShareFest? (twitter.com/_/status/443713865566937088)
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@dahacouk @nitot @xtof_fr @btincq @rik24d @maxlath Also #indiewebcamp at @OuiShareLabs Camp 1-4 May at @MozillaParis then present at @OuiShareFest? (twitter.com/_/status/443713865566937088)
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@glennjones Playing with a beta OSX client that automatically backs up my tweets, checkins etc onto my laptop as html/json #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/443723056083898369)
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@glennjones Playing with a beta OSX client that automatically backs up my tweets, checkins etc onto my laptop as html/json #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/443723056083898369)
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@BarnabyWalters @briansuda building your own is probably a better bet :) #indieweb (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V1DnE/) (twitter.com/_/status/443745039492329472)
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@sahuguet Claim back your web. http://indiewebcamp.com And there is an event in NYC on Apr 26-27. (twitter.com/_/status/443759393398874112)
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chrisroos Hey there, folks.
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jonnybarnes hi chrisroos
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chrisroos Would anyone be interested in a London Homebrew website club? I'm keen and have an office we can use.
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chrisroos Alternatively, is there already one happening that I've managed to miss?
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barnabywalters chrisroos: OTTOMH tommorris is the person to ask
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barnabywalters and welcome chrisroos!
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tommorris hey chrisroos
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tommorris And definitely would be interested in a London HWC
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chrisroos hey tommorris
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chrisroos would/should a London HWC share the same schedule as the others (i.e. every other Wednesday evening)?
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tommorris chrisroos: weekly might be a bit much. we could start monthly and if there is demand, then try fortnightly, then weekly
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chrisroos tommorris: how does next Wednesday (19th March) sound for the first one?
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tommorris chrisroos: that sounds like an awesome idea. I’m happy to post about it and promote it. where’s the location?
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jonnybarnes hey guys, can someone point out if this is wrong, in very rough pseudocode this is what my webmention code is doing when my endpoint receives a mention: https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/9509247
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jonnybarnes is there anything obviously missing from that logic?
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chrisroos tommorris: Excellent. I'm happy to host it at our office: Go Free Range, 1st Floor, 87 Worship Street, EC2A 2BE
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tommorris chrisroos: cool. want to put it up on the wiki?
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chrisroos tommorris: sure thing. I'll do that shortly.
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jonnybarnes tommorris chrisroos maybe every few months you could do a homebrew meetup on a weekend, only way I as a Mancunian could make one
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jonnybarnes im sure there must be others who also dont live near london
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: might there be enough interested people in manchester to put together a small meet up?
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tommorris jonnybarnes: well, we’ve had IWC in Brighton. It’d be awesome if we could have communities set up across the country
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tommorris jonnybarnes: I’m sure Ian Forrester from cubicgarden.com would go to a Manchester event.
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chrisroos Hmm. So the other HWC event pages are built around the idea of a single date with multiple locations, e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-02-26-homebrew-website-club (lists both SF and Portland).
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chrisroos So, should we try to fit in with that schedule, or are we happy to create our own schedule (next Wednesday doesn't fit in with the existing fortnightly set-up)?
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tommorris chrisroos: well, we just create whatever pages we need
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chrisroos tommorris: fair enough :-)
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tommorris I think Wikipedia’s old dictum of “Be Bold” applies here.
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michielbdejong tommorris: did you get any other feedback on the idea of a Paris event?
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michielbdejong tommorris: i put my name down! :) would be coming from Berlin, then
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tommorris michielbdejong: no, but if a Paris IWC happens, I’d book my Eurostar ticket pretty much immediately. ;)
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michielbdejong i might also just set up a Berlin HWC at some point
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tommorris chrisroos: the HWCs also tend to set up a ‘silo’ signup - Facebook usually
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chrisroos tommorris: I don't use facebook so would you be able to do that? Or we could use lanyrd, or anything else?
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tommorris Yep, can do Lanyrd too
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tommorris Generally, it’s so we can have some idea on numbers
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chrisroos Sure thing
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chrisroos The basic event page is there - http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi caseorganic: KartikPrabhu left you a message 10 hours, 10 minutes ago: here is a horrid sketch of the other triangle, depicting how much tech. expertise is needed at each indiewebcamp generation. Just a thought
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caseorganic KartikPrabhu: link to the img?
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caseorganic KartikPrabhu: and thanks! :)
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KartikPrabhu caseorganic: http://kartikprabhu.com/static/images/triangle-sketch.jpg wow! I really forgot the link!
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caseorganic KartikPrabhu: great!
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KartikPrabhu and it is just a very bad sketch to illustrate the idea
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caseorganic KartikPrabhu: Aha! I see how this works. Let me see what I can do
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KartikPrabhu cool... :)
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tommorris KevinMarks_: ping.
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KevinMarks_ hello
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tommorris chrisroos: KevinMarks_ just raised on FB the fact that we’re not on the same schedule as the Portland/SF events
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tommorris We could always shunt on to the same schedule for event #2, if the first one works out
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chrisroos tommorris: Yeah - that's what I was trying to say earlier (but obviously did a poor job of communicating it)
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KevinMarks_ well, you can't really sync exactly, unless you want to meat very early in the day
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tommorris It doesn’t seem that big of a concern to me.
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tommorris Different events in different cities (and different timezones) happen at different times.
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KevinMarks_ er math fail. very late at night
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tommorris oh, thought you were in London these days
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tommorris (I need a “where in the world are my friends” display. Perhaps something I could put on an old, dying iPad and mount on the wall.)
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KevinMarks_ I'm in San Jose, but I have been to London a bit more recently
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KevinMarks_ FB will let you search now (if you switch to US English, ironically)
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tommorris Yeah, Facebook creepsearch. I mean, Graph Search.
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KevinMarks_ though it doesn't get the concet of london
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KevinMarks_ unless you exactly type "People I know who live in London"
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tommorris Facebook lets you find ANYTHING: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xi55lxyuoadv8eu/Screenshot%202014-03-12%2016.27.36.png ;)
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KevinMarks_ is that a large set?
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tommorris No. About 5.
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KevinMarks_ probably larger than the set of women tho
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tommorris “Single men interested in Microformats” == 20. “Single women interested in Microformats” == 1.
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tantek wait what?
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tommorris tantek: just playing with Facebook creepsearch
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tantek oh dear
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KartikPrabhu http://fernandogros.com/2014/03/why-i-blog/
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tommorris tantek: anyway, HWC London seems to be happening.
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tommorris chrisroos++
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Loqi chrisroos has 1 karma
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tantek woot!
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Loqi woot
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tantek tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 19 karma
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tommorris chrisroos deserves the karma for providing the venue
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tommorris and taking the initiative to actually do it
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KevinMarks_ I blame tantek: http://www.flickr.com/photos/44124466908@N01/2117046421/
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tantek oh no not that meme
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KevinMarks_ "People from London, United Kingdom who like Microformats" -one result (not tom)
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@kyle_wm @kyle_wm testing again with new webmention code (twitter.com/_/status/443787536108761088)
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@kyle_wm @kyle_wm testing again with new webmention code (twitter.com/_/status/443787536108761088)
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tommorris isn’t from London.
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tommorris lives in London. ;)
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tommorris Important distinction
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KevinMarks_ ah, "from" and "live in" are different
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KevinMarks_ People who live in London, United Kingdom and who like Microformats = 5 ppl
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KevinMarks_ why can't I search for 'friends who live in london' in the invite box?
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KevinMarks_ derp
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KevinMarks_ I cna only search for san jose.
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tommorris KevinMarks_: “My friends who live in {cityname}"
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@benwerd Awesome! If you're in London and care about the web and your data, this is a must-attend. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/443789415349891072)
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@benwerd Awesome! If you're in London and care about the web and your data, this is a must-attend. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/443789415349891072)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/awesome-if-youre-in-london-and-care-about-the-web linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@tommorris RT @benwerd: Awesome! If you're in London and care about the web and your data, this is a must-attend. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/443789618740494336)
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@tommorris RT @benwerd: Awesome! If you're in London and care about the web and your data, this is a must-attend. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/443789618740494336)
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tommorris Holy duplication, Batman!
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tommorris Holy duplication, Batman!
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/benwerd/443789415349891072/443790153388392448 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/443789415349891072/443789618740494336 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ recursive webmention
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KevinMarks_ nope, FB won't let me do that
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KevinMarks_ maybe I have to move to london in their UX
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KevinMarks_ aha, that works
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KevinMarks_ so, move my loc to london, invite people, move it back
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/benwerd/443789415349891072/443790695292100609 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@freerange We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/lanyrd and come! (twitter.com/_/status/443798008078270465)
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@freerange We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/lanyrd and come! (twitter.com/_/status/443798008078270465)
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tantek whoa who is freerange?
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barnabywalters tantek: chrisroos, I believe
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barnabywalters see also http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club
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barnabywalters and logs from earlier today
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sparverius oh shit hwc is tonight huh
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sparverius glad i put that in my calendar
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snarfed oh shit!
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snarfed :P
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Loqi hehe
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snarfed (morning all!)
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chrisroos tantek barnabywalters: Yup. It's my company. We've (tommorris and I) agreed on next Wednesday for now but are happy to align ourselves with the standard schedule after that.
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tantek chrisroos++
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Loqi chrisroos has 2 karma
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tantek that's great! whatever it takes to get it started.
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tantek can always build / sync from there.
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KevinMarks_ I invited some londoners
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tantek yes sparverius, snarfed - get cracking! I mean - get hacking! (heh)
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snarfed done!
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chrisroos KevinMarks_: Great!
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snarfed is enjoying posseing all of his likes and favs and RTs
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snarfed on an unrelated note, some of you have probably heard of NLNet, right? http://nlnet.nl/
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snarfed they fund a lot of great open web and related work, e.g. sockethub and michiel dejong's uhosted
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snarfed they pinged me about some of my plumbing libraries that power bridgy, and it sounded like they were looking for more projects and people to support
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snarfed i demurred for myself personally, but pointed them toward indiewebcamp and said i'd introduce individual people if they wanted
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snarfed just fyi all
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@tommorris RT @freerange: We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/l… (twitter.com/_/status/443800687668117504)
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@tommorris RT @freerange: We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/l… (twitter.com/_/status/443800687668117504)
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@hyper_linda RT @freerange: We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/l… (twitter.com/_/status/443800743238455297)
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@hyper_linda RT @freerange: We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/l… (twitter.com/_/status/443800743238455297)
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chrisroos I've got to disappear. Bye for now.
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@floehopper RT @freerange: We're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club next Wednesday: http://t.co/RJiRtrg2p6. Add yourself on the wiki/facebook/l… (twitter.com/_/status/443801591167320064)
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V1HZB/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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kylewm snarfed: hiya! do I have something wrong that my comment on your post originally showed up in a <code> block?
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snarfed kylewm: hey! no, that's a bug on my side. sorry for the confusion
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snarfed https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/issues/5
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kylewm snarfed: no confusion, that's my favorite kind of bug :)
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snarfed heh
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snarfed now for both of us to implement http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context
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kylewm hehe, cool. does anyone do threaded conversation yet?
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kylewm I also need to be able to reply-to >1 post at once ... so I could reply to a comment and the original post I think
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snarfed semi-threaded, aaronpk and benwerd
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snarfed btw, if you get tired of writing silo api code for posseing, feel free to try out http://brid.gy/publish . i'll have docs up in a day or two. ping me with any q's!
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dariusdunlap Can't make it to SF tonight. Will it be online?
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snarfed dariusdunlap: usually streamed, not sure about recorded
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dariusdunlap Cool - if someone can stick the link on the wiki that would be awesome.
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dariusdunlap btw... not done yet, proper hCards and such next, but... https://dunlaps.net
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KartikPrabhu dariusdunlap: nice site! If I may suggest getting better contrast on some of the text colour v/s the background. Sort of hard to read
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snarfed nice design, dariusdunlap!
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snarfed minor nit: the links at the top don't yet point to the right places, but you probably already know that
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KartikPrabhu dariusdunlap: sorry. it seems the colours are fine, just that Lato is a very thin typeface!
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snarfed thin is in
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dariusdunlap ha ha! It's just a quick hack of a template I liked. Mostly.
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KartikPrabhu yes. I think Lato is too thin for body-type
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dariusdunlap Lots to fix still, including the weird gradient behavior when you tighten the horizontal width.
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KartikPrabhu dariusdunlap: of course, the template is very nice... just minor suggestions :)
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dariusdunlap If you look at it on a phone, you'll see what I mean. :-)
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snarfed eh, looks like the gradient is just the background while the images load. i don't mind it! looks good on my phone (android n4)
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dariusdunlap You don't end up with the gradient extending below the carousel image, leaving the light gradient with light text overlaid?
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tantek scrolls up
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snarfed aha, good point. yes i do. maybe there's a setting somewhere for how to crop/fill
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dariusdunlap Yeah, I'll fix it, but some of this "serviceable" but not perfect stuff is going to wait until after I get all my hCard and other important hookups working.
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snarfed agreed!
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snarfed btw this is useful if you haven't already seen it: http://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=dunlaps.net
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dariusdunlap Yeah. I'llput that on the list, too. ;-)
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snarfed ooh https works too. nice!
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kylewm whoa, I need that too
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dariusdunlap Hmmm. Should have pushed you to https automatically.
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kylewm ty for the link, snarfed
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: is there a good guide to getting https working correctly?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: http://indiewebcamp.com/https
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KartikPrabhu of course! :)
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kylewm i believe dariusdunlap did a lot of work on that page this weekend
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KartikPrabhu i should just make it a point to check http://indiewebcamp/<my question> :D
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Loqi fo sho
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dariusdunlap Yeah. And I'm still thinking about it. Love to work with you on it if you see anything that's still no clear, KartikPrabhyu
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dariusdunlap Sorry - spelling flub
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KartikPrabhu sure. I'll attempt to get it working on my site and see where I endup
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dariusdunlap Love to see any notes you make, or just edit the wiki and we'll collaborate there.
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kylewm I was pleasantly surprised to (over)hear that startssl was reputable
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: was just going to ask about that :)
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kylewm bear told us that he has had good experiences with it
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KartikPrabhu neat! good to know. I'll do the free thing first then :D
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bear they are very active and supportive in the xmpp realm
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iboxifoo i got mine from http://www.ssls.com, but i got a wildcard
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iboxifoo tho they were called cheapssls.com when i purchased it
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iboxifoo came under $100 a yr which was less than anywhere else i could find
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KartikPrabhu a list of what diff. people use for their site would be a good addition to the wiki page
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dariusdunlap I did the $25 for 5 years deal.
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dariusdunlap at http://www.ssls.com
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dariusdunlap Cert actually from RapidSSL, I think
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dariusdunlap Read the fine print, about Wildcard, etc.
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dariusdunlap Great idea, KartikPrabhu
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kylewm I feel like this is a really dumb question, but any idea why http://kylewm.com/note/2014/03/12/3 shows up as a "mentioned" and not a "liked"?
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kylewm I first posted it with just class="u-like-of" and then edited and resent with class="u-like u-like-of"
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KartikPrabhu maybe dariusdunlap is parsing it differently somehow...
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tantek kylewm, sounds like we need "like" testing/validation in indiewebify.me. cc: barnabywalters, bnvk
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dariusdunlap Interesting question. Could be my wordpress theme, or could be something odd with Brid.gy
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kylewm tantek, et al, that would be awesome!
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tantek wonders if there's a feature request / issue filing spot for indiewebify.me
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tantek https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues?state=open
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kylewm dariusdunlap, I'm wondering now whether it might be related to the issue snarfed linked me to earlier. kind of a shot in the dark though
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tantek https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/18
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KartikPrabhu dariusdunlap: I don't think kylewm's like went through bridgy. for wordpress what are you using for webmentions in case you know?
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dariusdunlap hmmm. maybe it's that plugin. I only just set this all up, so I'm not entirely clear on what does what.
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kylewm sorry Darius, I didn't mean to drag you into debugging my thing :)
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dariusdunlap IndieWeb Plugin Version 1.0.0 | By pfefferle, on Ryu Version 1.2, By Automattic, Wordpress version 3.8.1
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dariusdunlap All this was just click and go. It "just worked" but for any weirdness we are finding. :-)
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dariusdunlap I appreciate it, kylewm, I just might not get to look at it in any detail 'til later.
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dariusdunlap if you figure anything out here, I'd love to hear what you learn.
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kylewm definitely
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: looking at the indieweb plugin, it seems that it handles both "like" and "like-of" so I am stumped !
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kylewm just checked my logs
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kylewm I got some debugging output from the wp plugin... might have something to do with my being http and not https
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, very kind of you to look into it
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jonnybarnes looking at aaronpk's markup when quoting external content, i.e. a tweet he's replying to or an indieweb comment, the actual content is being marked up with both e-content (makes sense), and p-name. Why the p-name?
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: example url?
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kylewm jonnybarnes, I noticed that people will mark up notes with both because they have no title
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KartikPrabhu i am guessing exactly what kylewm said.
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KartikPrabhu notes have no title, and the implied name that mf2 parsers might guess could not be what you want.
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jonnybarnes I was looking at http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/04/1/indieweb#comments /cc KartikPrabhu kylewm
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jonnybarnes so if there was a title, that'd be tagged p-name and the note itself would just be e-content?
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KartikPrabhu yes. title's are usually the p-name
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jonnybarnes cheers, thanks KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu but notes usually do not have titles. So if aaronpk did not put a p-name there then mf2 parsers would try to guess one and it might guess something not nice, like the entire text of the h-entry.
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jonnybarnes so with regard to short notes like tweets, is aaronpk following recommended practice?
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KartikPrabhu afaik there is no "recommended practice" It depends on what you want to be seen as the title of the note
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KartikPrabhu using e-content seems like a good idea. I don't know what else could be used
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, is your reply on this post http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/10/12/2/indieweb an example of the parser guessing incorrectly?
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kylewm i had the same thing happen on my first couple attempts
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yes definitely. I still don't have mf2 done as well as I'd like on my site
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: see above example by kylewm and me(?) :P
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KartikPrabhu funny enough, in that example, I think it tried to guess a p-name and then a u-url and maybe other things and my comment failed all! so it used the content :P
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KartikPrabhu u-uid sorry
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kylewm oh wow, Ryan already filed an issue to Semantic-Linkbacks re: likes being interpreted as mentions
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kylewm you guys are on top of things
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KartikPrabhu Ryan = snarfed ? yeah he is pretty much on top of things specially with bridgy and the like
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snarfed1 aww thanks!
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snarfed1 on top of everything except my username, evidently
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basal or not very cleverly trying to be anonymous
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kylewm hehe
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KartikPrabhu :P
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jonnybarnes and snarfed is back
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snarfed :P
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@kevinmarks @tomcoates @dangillmor @MatthewPerle and unless you're careful, accrete cruft. Yep. See Design first http://indiewebcamp.com #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/443868560314482688)
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@kevinmarks @tomcoates @dangillmor @MatthewPerle and unless you're careful, accrete cruft. Yep. See Design first http://indiewebcamp.com #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/443868560314482688)
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pauloppenheim snarfed1: aww, just realized bridgy looks for a post in a ref
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snarfed1 pauloppenheim: sorry?
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pauloppenheim i was going to abuse bridgy as a unified social network inbox
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snarfed1 aha
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pauloppenheim and was hoping every like / reply / mention / etc would be turned into some variety of webmention, even if only on my root domain
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snarfed1 sounds like you're looking for https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ and http://facebook-atom.appspot.com/
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pauloppenheim i may fork and try this
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pauloppenheim ahh
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pauloppenheim well, i was looking mostly out of curiosity if it would work
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snarfed1 yeah, right now bridgy only sends wms for specific post links, but you could hack it to send on everything
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snarfed1 but i'd suggest those atom feed generators instead
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pauloppenheim snarfed1: why instead? are they not equivalent?
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pauloppenheim snarfed1: also awesome to see the log file on bridgy
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snarfed1 thanks!
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snarfed1 the atom generators are implemented and debugged
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snarfed1 root webmentions on bridgy aren't :P
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snarfed1 plus i'm not sure i'd accept the patch, so you'd have to run your own instance, etc
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pauloppenheim ok
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pauloppenheim alternately, i could hack posts into statusnet, but i feel like i would rather spend my time on something other than statusnet.
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snarfed1 heh, agreed
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snarfed1 i don't mean to be discouraging, i might accept the bridgy patch, i just haven't thought it through enough yet
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pauloppenheim it sure was great when it came out though! and people really did use identi.ca.
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kylewm pauloppenheim, you could subscribe to those atom feeds directly on status net, couldn't you?
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kylewm i was/am fascinated by the identi.ca saga
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pauloppenheim kylewm: not interested in using statusnet to read
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pauloppenheim kylewm: what about it?
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kylewm like Evan's move to pump
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kylewm and how people reacted
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kylewm and then people who are still on SN and bitter, and people on pump who are lonely
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pauloppenheim i wasn't even aware of pump.io until version 0.2 or something, when i went to find fixes for statusnet and saw the notice
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pauloppenheim well, sounds like pump is a good idea in principle
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pauloppenheim but nobody can run node.js on managed hosting
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pauloppenheim so that's a quick way to kill your audience
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kylewm makes sense
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kylewm and i agree, i think pump seems small and elegant (but what wouldn't compared to statusnet :) )
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pauloppenheim it'll happen someday i suppose, but that day is not today, and i am not aware how to run node code under apache
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pauloppenheim ha!
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pauloppenheim yeah, i tried to fix a few bugs and gave up, glad it's not just me
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pauloppenheim i try to be less of a tool snob in my professional life, but i don't have time for that in my personal projects
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kylewm sounds like a good philosophy!
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snarfed pauloppenheim: thought about it a bit, and i'd be happy to have root webmentions added to bridgy
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snarfed let me know if you're interested in trying it, happy to help you ramp up!
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pauloppenheim snarfed: cool. if i follow my current train of thought to that when i give it a shot, i will send patches
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pauloppenheim snarfed: well, i just used brid.gy for the first time a few minutes ago while i was waiting for a VM to finish something :)
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snarfed i saw you signed up!
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pauloppenheim snarfed: but it does seem like a good tool to bootstrap many of the indieweb techniques
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snarfed ping me if/when you do start on the patch, it'd be good to agree on the design before you start coding
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pauloppenheim word
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snarfed thanks! i hoped so
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snarfed gl w/the current train of thought
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pauloppenheim thanks :)
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@Digitalks RT @encyclopediaios: Really motivating conversation with @aral today! Looking forward to @indie_phone #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/443888600472895488)
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@Digitalks RT @encyclopediaios: Really motivating conversation with @aral today! Looking forward to @indie_phone #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/443888600472895488)
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aaronpk what's the deal with homebrew website club in PDX this week?
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/naomiyaki/status/443888690121555969
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@naomiyaki Hey @caseorganic . I'm sure you're @EsriDevSummit -ing, but will there still be a homebrew club in #PDX? Events cal says yes, page says no. (twitter.com/_/status/443888690121555969)
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@infocloud @elsua Right. That hosting is a big issue. The Indieweb community has been working on a few things. Many store and sync from own servers. (twitter.com/_/status/443889560406458369)
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@infocloud @elsua Right. That hosting is a big issue. The Indieweb community has been working on a few things. Many store and sync from own servers. (twitter.com/_/status/443889560406458369)
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aaronpk loqi why you so doubly
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pauloppenheim.com edited /events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club (+92) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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@infocloud @elsua The IndieWeb community has quite a few projects. There may be a file share in there. - http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/443889900023455744)
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@kyle_wm Twitter following all the IndieWebCamp folks I met last weekend, I can't help but feel I'm #doingitwrong (kyl.im n4V15) (twitter.com/_/status/443890921176723456)
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tantek !tell skinny can we try setting up the Vidyo connection for tonight's HWC meetup at ~18:00?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next