#indiewebcamp 2014-03-11
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barnabywalters FINALLY
# barnabywalters http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0d2/ was posted in-line from my feedreader
# barnabywalters via micropub
# barnabywalters aaronpk: you should be able to sign into waterpigs.co.uk, then send inline replies from e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/
# barnabywalters doing a quick screencast now
# barnabywalters tantek: in my reader? yeah, some of them have a bunch of javascript in
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tantek how do I put this? http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/ is fracking amazing!!!
# barnabywalters tantek: thanks!
# barnabywalters hopefully tomorrow it’ll speed up a lot thanks to actual caching
# barnabywalters okay, extremely low quality screencast of the UI is up here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMHFCVmFWkI
# barnabywalters I’ll add better documentation, etc. tomorrow. very late here now.
# barnabywalters goodnight all!
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KevinMarks Preceded by a long debate about naming the parts?
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# tantek kevinmarks - using conclusions of http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces
# KevinMarks_ yes, that was the joke...
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@adambrault And I'm counting on @indiewebcamp crew to solve the urgent need for a federated microformat for cat stickers so I can quit Facebook for good (twitter.com/_/status/443225748673810432)
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scottjenson It there something up with Twitter not working for indieAuth?
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@wraithgar RT @adambrault: And I'm counting on @indiewebcamp crew to solve the urgent need for a federated microformat for cat stickers so I can quit … (twitter.com/_/status/443232692109185024)
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KartikPrabhu scottjenson: from http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth#FAQ some kind of SSL errors
# scottjenson KartikPrabhu: Thanks but I found that. I've had twitter working for months, it just seemed to stop working last 48 hours
# scottjenson I'm assuming it's a temp thing (I just roll over to G+ so I can still log in np)
# KartikPrabhu hmmm from what I hear on here, the problem is sort of sporadic
# KartikPrabhu github and google+ seem to work more consistently
# scottjenson ok, makes sense, I'll try to add Github
# scottjenson <snap>
# KartikPrabhu :P
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Loqi [mention] http://notenoughneon.com linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@chachasikes F**k it: I'm going underground, assuming a pseudonym, moving to a speakeasy world and busting this shite up with the IndieWeb & AnyOtherWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/443244667094564864)
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# tantek Emma Kuo is rocking it! http://notenoughneon.com/p/201403081440-querying-microformats-further-refinements
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@notenoughneon Webmention receiving now fully functional on http://t.co/yv4Lp9mfdn. Now to implement a posting ui... #indieweb (http://notenoughneon.com/p/201403102143) (twitter.com/_/status/443249035109871616)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, tommorris: fwiw, changes are here https://github.com/kylewm/mf2py/commit/c6e774dd13190a952f7a9cd0e33b6cd8b589d48d
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# KartikPrabhu kylewm: cool! Can I have those as a pull request
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@tistre Amazing: Twitter RTs and favs show up below blog posts, via https://www.brid.gy MT @dangillmor: #IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twitter.com/_/status/443300198404870144)
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# Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0Amv/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0Amv/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0Amv/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0Amv/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0Amv/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
# barnabywalters Loqi: what happened to you squarking about tweets with #indieweb in?
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# barnabywalters bnvk: demo of that replying-from-feedreader thing I mentioned: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0Amv/
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@acegiak http://t.co/HFZ5Xp7csS: Last night: built #indieweb commenting on posts direct from my feedreader using... http://acegiak.machinespirit.net/2014/03/11/httpwaterpigs-co-uk-last-night-built-indieweb-commenting-on-posts-direct-from-my-feedreader-using-micropub-indieauth-webmention-microformats-video-demohttpswww-youtube-com/ (twitter.com/_/status/443344593837256704)
# barnabywalters acegiak: thanks! looks like the webmention didn’t make it back to my site due to the u-like-of u-url href being “Array”
# barnabywalters nice work getting likes implemented! what does the UI you use to post them look like?
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@bph Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools - http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/443348143166324736)
# barnabywalters interesting, Taproot treats any mention as only being of one relation type, i.e. it is either a mention OR a like OR a reply OR an rsvp etc
# barnabywalters acegiak: rather, does it make sense for something to be both a like and a reply? how should that be displayed?
# barnabywalters if there’s no difference in presentation or usage between a reply and a like, why even differentiate them?
# barnabywalters or, between a like and a repost
# barnabywalters what about between a repost-with-conent and a comment?
# barnabywalters acegiak: but does a like have content? in all current silos a like is a contentless binary grunt
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# barnabywalters likes barely even have URLs typically
# acegiak ^ that shows that there is the div which tells you the relationship between the post on my site and the post on yours in two ways: visually by having hte phrase "liked reposted and commented" in text but also because there is the div which has the verbs as mf2 classes like u-like and h-cite and p-in-reply-to
# barnabywalters acegiak: I disagree that like/repost/comment are just verbs — they’re fundamentally different interactions with different structures and presentations
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# barnabywalters I did start to document some of the inconsistencies and similarities between different silo interpretation of these common microinterations
# barnabywalters I’ll try to dump it into a table on the wiki later on
# barnabywalters acegiak: but not at the same time
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# barnabywalters acegiak: current implementations and display conventions seem to indicate 1 h-entry = 1 action
# barnabywalters I’d say that also maps better to action UIs — e.g. there’s usually a button for each different actions which performs that action when pressed
# barnabywalters rathe than a set of checkboxes and a “Post all” button
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# barnabywalters so 1 button = 1 post (h-entry) = 1 mention = 1 action makes intuitive sense to me
# barnabywalters s/button/button = 1 button press =
# barnabywalters argh double ==
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# barnabywalters so for me the difference between a reply + reply context and a repost (optionally with comment) is that a reply is explicitly •in reply to• the other content, i.e. makes no sense out of context
# barnabywalters whereas a repost makes sense on it’s own. it isn’t replying to the original content (i.e. shouldn’t show up in it’s comment thread) but rather is a syndication of the content
# barnabywalters a reply is a response, a repost is a full-blown post
# barnabywalters i.e. you might choose not to show replies on your homepage feed (as aaronpk does) whereas reposts would be shown
# barnabywalters then a like is the most minimal possible sort of response — no content, just a url which is “liked”
# barnabywalters interesting, okay — so a tumblr reblog+comment is more closely related to other silos’ comments rather than reposts
# barnabywalters I didn’t know tumblr did actual comments, I thought tumblr users managed threads themselves within posts
# barnabywalters acegiak: this sounds a good silo UI mistake to learn from — how are the new post-ish sort of things awkward? do you have an example somewhere?
# barnabywalters so why can’t all posts be replied to? can replies not be replied to?
# barnabywalters oh, that’s a huge difference! fascinating
# barnabywalters acegiak++
# barnabywalters only one?!
# barnabywalters acegiak++
# barnabywalters get with it Loqi
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# acegiak barnabywalters: so this is my ui at the moment: http://acegiak.machinespirit.net/files/2014/03/reblogui.png
# barnabywalters acegiak: well, I don’t have native reposts or likes yet :)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Whisperfollow (+34) "/* WhisperFollow */ Added UI screenshot, removed Main template" (view diff)
# barnabywalters acegiak: you’re doing cutting-edge experimentation with native likes and reposts and it’s extremely valuable
# barnabywalters acegiak: and more importantly, you’re writing code for a silo-less present ;)
# barnabywalters off for lunch, bbiab
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# barnabywalters good afternoon julien51
# julien51 hello barnabywalters!
# barnabywalters my feed reader/flow based programming thing is nearing a stage where I think I need to use superfeedr and subscriptions to help it out
# barnabywalters basically it is very slow and I’m not sure what’s the best way to cache things
# barnabywalters I was thinking of having a cache for each HTML page fetched with a really long TTL, which gets updated by a superfeedr HTML subscription
# julien51 barnaby this is a great piece of news! I'm more than excited to help you
# julien51 do you currently fetch feeds "as the page" loads?
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# barnabywalters julien51: at the moment yes — fetched in parallel with some HTTP caching, but it’s not very effective
# barnabywalters I think the HTTP caching actually interferes with cURL’s parallel requests too
# julien51 not only it is not effective, but it's probably considered harmful for the web :)
# barnabywalters julien51: yeah, that too :)
# julien51 you could of course cache stuff, but I guess the first question os what is "stuff"
# julien51 and then, even caching will be frustrating
# julien51 the benefit of your approach is they ehtings are up to date no matter what, even when/if they're slow
# julien51 if you start caching, things will be faster to load, but they'll also be old
# barnabywalters well, the reader currently only reads microformats2 content, and the smallest unit of content which is fetched is a feed page, i.e. an HTML page with a bunch of h-entries on
# julien51 which is probably not what you want :)
# barnabywalters so I think it makes sense to cache the HTML pages rather than building up a huge index of individual posts
# julien51 I understand that
# julien51 caching is a good idea as long as your invalidation is smart
# julien51 again, if you cache stuff even for 15 minutes and I publish something the second after you cached things, you'll have 14 minutes till you see my content
# julien51 which is quite disapointing
# julien51 when you can have both speed of loading and up to date data :)
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# julien51 But that involves 'subscribing' to content, rather than fetching it regularly
# barnabywalters yep, that’s why I wanted to try superfeedr HTML subscriptions which updates the cache on push
# julien51 exactly
# julien51 the way it should work, is
# julien51 subscribe to http://some.indie.site/#.hentry
# julien51 where everything after the # is a CSS path of what you want to subscribe to
# julien51 so .hentry is probably the first DOM element with class hentry
# julien51 when that updates, superfeedr's will (fat)ping you
# julien51 and you can cache things
# julien51 BUT, we won't d anything smarter than what you did: we poll every X minutes/seconds
# barnabywalters typically what I’m subscribing to are pages like http://waterpigs.co.uk/ with a bunch of h-entries on
# julien51 exactky
# barnabywalters you can see exactly what is getting subscribed to here: http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/edit/
# barnabywalters so is this where pubsubhubbub comes into play?
# julien51 yes, assumming that the person publishing these sites ping a hub (superfeedr) when their page updates
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# julien51 so, to sum up
# julien51 http://waterpigs.co.uk/ should declare a hub in its HTTP headers
# julien51 I would subscribe to http://waterpigs.co.uk/#.h-entry%3Afirst-child
# julien51 Then, when you add anything to the page, you ping the hub you'v designated
# julien51 and superseder will find a new version of http://waterpigs.co.uk/#.h-entry%3Afirst-child
# julien51 and ping me
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@kevinmarks RT @acegiak: http://t.co/HFZ5Xp7csS: Last night: built #indieweb commenting on posts direct from my feedreader using... http://t.co/0YUONpM… (twitter.com/_/status/443394076239355905)
# barnabywalters ah, okay — so subscribing to the first child prevents, say, updates to my sidebar from triggering pings
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# barnabywalters very cool, I will work on that this week
# julien51 What's wrong with my connection?
# barnabywalters thanks julien51!
# julien51 barnabywalters please do not hesitate to ping me by email with questions
# julien51 no, thank you!
# barnabywalters julien51: will do!
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# barnabywalters aaronpk: great! did it work?
# barnabywalters yep, it sends the url
# barnabywalters right now I’m literally just forwarding requests to my micropub endpoint to the note posting endpoint
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@BarnabyWalters @aaronpk and replying using the same app — could this be the first indieweb conversation carried out e… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0FAF/ (twitter.com/_/status/443403549364723712)
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# tantek barnabywalters - I'm seeing the reply-context from aaronpk get partially covered by your reply here: http://twtr.io/izubttgs8Y
# tantek sorry not that, this: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0FAF/
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# barnabywalters tantek: yeah, that happens — it’s a styling thing I need to fix
# barnabywalters happy oneolderness day btw!
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# barnabywalters yay for names which express the arbitrariness of birthdays!
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# barnabywalters birthdays: arbitrary but fun
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# scottjenson tantek: Morning!
# barnabywalters tantek: I did! thanks! coincidentally today was the first time I tried to embed a https youtube video, so I’ll update cassis now
# tantek scottjenson, we tweaked the wording/spacing just a bit on your home page redesign - please take a look: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4V0FAF/
# tantek take a look at THIS: http://indiewebcamp.com/
# scottjenson No I saw that, makes sense
# scottjenson btw, the site isn't responding right now for me
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@caseorganic Gave a talk on the #indieweb and #indiewebcamp and the former norm of having your own site. Thanks, @5by5! https://player.fm/series/in-beta-10302/in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back (twitter.com/_/status/443413781268267008)
# barnabywalters thanks aaronpk!
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# barnabywalters what’s the etiquette for homepage modification changes? make a fork or just edit in place?
# barnabywalters eh I’ll edit in place
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# barnabywalters yeah nothing major, just some phrasing tweaks. If the edit UI ever loads…
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# caseorganic aaronpk: the site?
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@nvcexploder RT @caseorganic: Gave a talk on the #indieweb and #indiewebcamp and the former norm of having your own site. Thanks, @5by5! https://t.co/BQ… (twitter.com/_/status/443419479037325312)
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# caseorganic great - was trying to access the logs and didn't see them
# caseorganic *didn't see the site
# caseorganic aaronpk: makes sense. what bots?
# waterpigs.co.uk edited /Main_Page (-1) "/* What is the IndieWeb? */ errant punctuation" (view diff)
# barnabywalters tantek: go for it!
# barnabywalters yo dowg, i heard you like edits…
# barnabywalters or is it dawg?
# barnabywalters it seems a little strange to refer to “status messages” once on the homepage, then “notes” consistently everywhere else. also “articles + status messages” doesn’t really cover the richness of indieweb articles, notes, photos, events, music, etc.
# caseorganic barnabywalters: You mean multimedia? :)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+18) "use a bit less techie wording in have a look at ..." (view diff)
# barnabywalters caseorganic: “yes, that’s me, a prolific multimedia author. I make sure to post all my multimedia on my own site”
# caseorganic tantek++ for site improvements
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# barnabywalters tantek: makes sense
# barnabywalters “posts” covers everything nicely but isn’t very interesting-sounding
# caseorganic tantek: yes please move barriers to generations
# tantek barnabywalters - for example - this page needs a lot of love: http://indiewebcamp.com/photos
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@Strabd Going to the Homebrew Website Club tomorrow. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club Will you be there? (twitter.com/_/status/443426464029888512)
# tantek.com moved /barriers to /generations "that's what the page is about!"
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# waterpigs.co.uk edited /generations (-1) "/* IndieWebCamps and Generations= */ removed extraneous =" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /photos (+874) "clean up a bit, add How, Why, and IndieWeb Examples sections" (view diff)
# tantek barnabywalters - do you post photos first/primarily to your own site? add yourself! http://indiewebcamp.com/photos#IndieWeb_Examples
# barnabywalters woah, image maps for tagging people?
# barnabywalters I like how aaronpk is a rectangle but tantek and caseorganic are circles
# tantek.com edited /generations (+241) "dfn, redo intro per move to generations page name, heading levels" (view diff)
# waterpigs.co.uk edited /photos (+228) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Added my pseudo-photo examples, corrected spelling" (view diff)
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# tantek.com edited /photos (+81) "/* Ben Werdmuller */ idno supports mobile photo taking also!" (view diff)
# tantek caseorganic, I tweaked the intro/definition of Generations a bit to fit with the page name. still left in a reference to "barriers" so that wouldn't be lost. Please take a look: http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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@schnarfed RT @tistre: Amazing: Twitter RTs and favs show up below blog posts, via https://www.brid.gy MT @dangillmor: #IndieWeb tools http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/443431987114549248)
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jonnybarnes happy birthday tantek
# tantek snarfed - are you doing native retweets? and POSSEing them natively? Per http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Reposts_of_Tweets
# jonnybarnes ok, so if this is possible then I'll have to rethink how I store and process webmentions. Given that a source url should be a unique permalink, could someone write a note 'in-reply-to' two of my notes and send me two webentions, or can I assume a one-to-one mapping of target and source URLs?
# jonnybarnes is confused why aaronpk isn't an op anymore
# jonnybarnes hmmmm
# tantek re: mapping - see http://indiewebcamp.com/multiple-reply - a bunch of us are doing this
# jonnybarnes snarfed: yeah, currently in my code I'm assuming that if I list all the webmentions a particular source will only appear once
# jonnybarnes tantek: someone replying to me and someone else in the same note is fine
# jonnybarnes that wouldnt mess up my assumption that in my list of webmentions a particular source url will only appear once
# jonnybarnes I'm not entirely convinced thats a valid assumption, but I think any exceptions would be rare edge-cases
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# tantek.com edited /photos (+89) "/* Ben Werdmuller */ demonstrated actual mobile photo taking/posting working at 2013 IWC" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu might be of interest here: http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2013/11/24/facebook-grandparents-need-next-gen-social-network/#!zkICB
# KartikPrabhu haha the slug seems to suggest that grandparents need a new social network!
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# caseorganic.com uploaded /File:indieweb-generations-diagram.jpg "IndieWeb Generations Diagram by [[Caseorganic.com]]"
# caseorganic.com edited /generations (+141) "/* IndieWeb Generations */ Added diagram of IndieWeb Generations" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu agrees
# caseorganic tantek: glad you like it! happy to make more diagrams where needed
# tantek it's a nice explanation of the alternative to the mass adoption anti-pattern: http://indiewebcamp.com/antipatterns#mass_adoption
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# KartikPrabhu ooh very nice page, the whole generations thing!
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# caseorganic KartikPrabhu: thanks!
# KartikPrabhu on the diagram: as I read it the current triangle seemed to represent number of people involved in a generation. SO most people would be gen4. One could also make a conjugate triangle that shows technical knowledge needed. So Gen1 would be most technical but Gen4 would be common non-tech folks
# caseorganic.com edited /generations (+534) "/* Generation 1 IndieWeb */ Rewrote text to focus on introducing a Gen1 to IndieWeb concepts as an individual" (view diff)
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# caseorganic KartikPrabhu: can you sketch that diagram? happy to make it
# arcatan tantek: i think it broke for everyone
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# caseorganic oh man, slow internet at this conf
# caseorganic tantek: yes. i shouldn't complain. i just made all these lovely page edits and i'm going to have to wait on them
# arcatan indiewebcamp.com is very slow for me and i'm not at a conference :|
# etymancer here too.
# caseorganic arcatan: etymancer: okay, so it's not just my conf wifi. i was editing nicely for a while there, but the wiki is having some speed issues.
# caseorganic aaronpk: know what's going on with the iwc wiki?
# etymancer hm, twitter is having technical problems. I wonder if that's related.
# iboxifoo twitter is down for maintenance
# caseorganic aaronpk++
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# iboxifoo they're not even using the fail whale anymore
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# iboxifoo caterpillar and an ice cream cone
# caseorganic Twitter is down but I can still post notes to my site! Hooray!
# iboxifoo caseorganic+
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# iboxifoo snarfed: twitter.com is loading for you?
# iboxifoo snarfed: well aren't you the lucky one :-)
# snarfed looks like it is at least partially down though. http://isup.me/twitter.com
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/03/11/2/podcast-on-the-indieweb-in-beta-90-we-want-our-2003-back linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy (webmention)
# caseorganic snarfed: hear hear
# caseorganic doesn't matter, accessed my content :)
# caseorganic.com edited /generations () "(-1550) /* IndieWeb Generations */ Reformatted generation-specific content" (view diff)
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# KartikPrabhu caseorganic: I'l try to mock-up a diagram of what I was saying earlier. Also, is jgp preferred for the wiki or is svg cool too?
# KartikPrabhu should really get on that bridgy train!
# 
aaronpk wow, someone used pingback to use a bunch of wordpress sites to launch a DDOS attack http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/more-than-162000-legit-wordpress-sites-abused-in-powerful-ddos-attack/
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# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: that seems to be a concern for all protocols like pingback. maybe webmention too?
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# KartikPrabhu the discussion on the comment section seems to be missing the point entirely (nothing new) with a lot of people proclaiming the superiority of a static html only site
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# KartikPrabhu sure, but ddos can also happen just because you got too many requests right?
# 
cweiske btw, this problem was already reported in 2012: http://www.acunetix.com/blog/web-security-zone/wordpress-pingback-vulnerability/
# KartikPrabhu these articles seem to be targeting wordpress, but it is a more general problem
# KartikPrabhu wordpress/php/xml-rpc
# KartikPrabhu sure. but it gives the false impression that wordpress/.php is insecure whereas it is pingback it self
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# KartikPrabhu true. i am using pingback to mean all such protocols
# KartikPrabhu aah ok :)
# KartikPrabhu but the solution can not be to not verify the request. is there a good way to avoid this?
# KartikPrabhu so processing linkbacks in async?
# KartikPrabhu yes. i was also going to suggest some sort of whitelist/blacklist approach
# KartikPrabhu i see. so no all-round good solution so far... seems like a hard problem
# cweiske my lib actually only fetches 100k of the file for verification: https://github.com/pear2/Services_Linkback/blob/master/src/PEAR2/Services/Linkback/Server/Callback/FetchSource.php#L35
# KartikPrabhu interesting!
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# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: down
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# KevinMarks tantek: fix confirmed with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09q04Dlh7r8
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# caseorganic.com edited /generations (+1834) "Added back content that got misplaced due to the wiki being down" (view diff)
# snarfed bret: in case you're curious, http://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy#Statistics
# caseorganic.com edited /Main_Page (+107) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ Experimenting with subtle background colors to highlight different sections of the front page for increased readability and focus" (view diff)
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# Loqi dietrich: tantek left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: do you think you can get MozPDX for hosting this week's Homebrew Website Club? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club
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# skinny tantek: i put the Service Now request in
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# skinny tantek: what info should I tell SN about vidyo room linkage?
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# iboxifoo ICYMI, github.com is down now too
# iboxifoo (in case you're using that for indieauth)
# iboxifoo is it evil tantek's birthday today too?
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# skinny tantek: i have to fix my DNS so I can log in :/
# tantek we've started a stub article http://indiewebcamp.com/DNS
# skinny instead of the infinite loop, it should time out and give you common causes of a hang and a link to github to file a bug if you can't figure it out
# 
aaronparecki.com created /expenses (+425) "stub page to keep track of server expenses" (view diff)
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# jonnybarnes barnabywalters: saw this and thought of you: http://i.imgur.com/6ZRztD4.jpg
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: hah, that’s hilarious
# barnabywalters just asking some friends, apparently she was made tourist of the year
# jonnybarnes lol
# barnabywalters tantek: no, real
# 
pdurbin indieweb mentioned at lot here: 5by5 | The Web Ahead #60: Web Annotations with Doug Schepers - http://5by5.tv/webahead/60
# jonnybarnes a more tech related question, has anyoe who uses PHP here installed HTML Purifier via composer?
# jonnybarnes s/anyoe/anyone
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: yep, I do — are you having a problem with it?
# jonnybarnes not tried yet, its just the official site has no mention of composer
# jonnybarnes do you still have to manually load HTMLPurifier.auto.php?
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# jonnybarnes or will composer's vendor/autoload.php do that for you?
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# barnabywalters HTMLPurifier supports autoloading fine
# barnabywalters I’m not sure why they don’t mention composer support on the website, but it works and is updated
# 
@encyclopediaios Really motivating conversation with @aral today! Looking forward to @indie_phone #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/443521535442423808)
# 
@corbett RT @encyclopediaios: Really motivating conversation with @aral today! Looking forward to @indie_phone #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/443521862170316800)
# caseorganic.com edited /editing (+900) "Added section on adding a background color to a section." (view diff)
# @kevinmarks “In every case other than your own domain a centralized service provider… can also revoke your profile” #indieweb http://continuations.com/post/79187457919/decentralizing-identity (twitter.com/_/status/443523498342744064)
# KevinMarks aaronpk tom coates and matt biddulph made the coffee app
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# KevinMarks I have it on my ipod, and I shoulda dd a coffee
# KevinMarks that last link is one take on a DNS alternative - note how it reinvents XFN halfway through
# KevinMarks (the easiest way for me to send an image link to this channel is to tweet it. I should fix that)
# KevinMarks Orkut looks like a highschool yearbook for web 2.0 people
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# KevinMarks i thought myspace erased all the accounts
# KevinMarks they gave my old url to this chap https://myspace.com/epeus
# KevinMarks hmm
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# skinny aaronpk: have time to help me fix my dns github pages issue?
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# skinny aaronpk: ok what's the article where the A records should point?
# skinny i'm using namecheap, btw
# skinny aaronpk: skinny97214
# skinny how long to take effect?
# skinny awesome. thx!
# KevinMarks what's the debate acegiak?
# caseorganic.com edited /Main_Page (+157) "Added background colors to some sections. Consolidated previous indiewebcamps into a row of images to save space and clean up page." (view diff)
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# KevinMarks hm
# KevinMarks the activity streams view is one entry is one action
# KevinMarks but that is part of the Atom heritage
# KevinMarks microformats do let you mark up multiple overlapping things in one place without duplication
# KevinMarks which is an advantage, but does make for possible serialization issues
# skinny yay!
# skinny snarfs