#indiewebcamp 2014-03-10

2014-03-10 UTC
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scottjenson
names #indiewebcamp
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tantek
welcome scottjenson!
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scottjenson
I added/edited two pages on the website this morning
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tantek
nice!
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scottjenson
BTW, how do I @reply you? so your name shows up in my reply text?
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tantek
do you mean POSSE threaded replies?
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scottjenson
no, IRC, you called out my name, and it showed up in a different color
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pauloppenheim
scottjenson: just type tantek
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scottjenson
is a big doodoo head
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pauloppenheim
usually there's autocomplete with the tab key for user nicknames
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scottjenson
Let me try it again tantek
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scottjenson
it auto completed
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scottjenson
but it just looked normal not a different color
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pauloppenheim
if you start a line with / and then some text, IRC will interpret it as a command
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scottjenson
I got that (/names for example)
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scottjenson
I just want to have TANTEK appear in the next (like he did just above when he said welcome)
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tantek
your own name appears colored to you
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tantek
on my display, lines that mention my name are highlighted
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scottjenson
oh, so when I type tantek it is brightly colored for you?
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pauloppenheim
scottjenson: right, there's essentially no magic to a string that matches a user's nick inherent in IRC, all of the magic is in the client, so it depends on what you are using
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scottjenson
<UX rant>thanks stupid</UX rant>
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tantek
in Colloquy it growls at me and puts a silver background on the line
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scottjenson
Thats stupid
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scottjenson
really unforunate typo ;-)
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tantek
hahaha - sorry - laughing at the thanks stupid (which was clearly unintentional)
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Loqi
rofl
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tantek
what are you laughing at Loqi?
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Loqi
is done
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pauloppenheim
dammit robot
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scottjenson
we're good thanks
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi got schooled
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tantek
scottjenson, Loqi is the friendly channelbot that aaronpk wrote and a bunch of us have taught it things.
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pauloppenheim
and it tends to talk a lot.
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tantek
loqi, help?
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tantek
!weather
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Loqi
Possible rain and 57 degrees
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scottjenson
!dns 173.230.151.31
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Loqi
api.geoloqi.com
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scottjenson
!weather 94303
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jenson.org
edited /editing (-65) "/* Basic Formatting */"
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snarfed
!tell scottjenson new front page looks great!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
!tell scottjenson i'll try to hide the TOC
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed.org
edited /Main_Page (+10) "hide TOC"
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed.org
edited /Main_Page (+67) "add more links, tweak language"
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KartikPrabhu
Autolinking question: Do people who use autolinking in notes, 1. save the linked version as copy 2. save only linked version or 3. autolink on the fly ?
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KartikPrabhu
same for auto-tagging
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KartikPrabhu
anyone? I guess too late in the night...
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: i think we're all watching Cosmos :)
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KartikPrabhu
haha great!
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KartikPrabhu
I can not compete with NdGT
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aaronpk
fwiw I auto-link on the fly. I think I cache the resulting HTML of articles and notes in memcache.
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KartikPrabhu
thanks aaronpk. I was saving the autolinked version but that might interfere with POSSE later on
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Loqi
scottjenson: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 53 minutes ago: new front page looks great!
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Loqi
scottjenson: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 53 minutes ago: i'll try to hide the TOC
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Loqi
scottjenson: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 50 minutes ago: found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Section#Table_of_contents_.28TOC.29
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scottjenson
Loqi: message snarfed
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scottjenson
snarfed: oh what the hell, this'll go into the archives... Thanks!
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scottjenson
Loqi: What can you do?
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Loqi
is done
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KartikPrabhu
scottjenson: use the command !tell then name
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scottjenson
KartikPrabhu: thanks!
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KartikPrabhu
!tell scottjenson: like this
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
scottjenson: KartikPrabhu left you a message 12 seconds ago: like this
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scottjenson
!tell KartikPrabhu got it!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: scottjenson left you a message 15 seconds ago: got it!
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scottjenson
!tell snarfed: Thanks tracking that down, it looks MUCH better w/o the TOC...
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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scottjenson
KartikPrabhu: Is there a list of commands somewhere?
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KartikPrabhu
eh... I wouldn't know. Most of my knowledge is from hanging out here
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Loqi
snarfed: scottjenson left you a message 2 minutes ago: Thanks tracking that down, it looks MUCH better w/o the TOC...
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snarfed
scottjenson: np!
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KartikPrabhu
scottjenson++ on the homepage
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Loqi
scottjenson has 2 karma
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scottjenson
KartikPrabhu: why thank you...
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: iirc you were attempting a POSSE service to go with bridgy. Would love to take it for a test-drive instead of rolling out my own code
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: totally! it's ready!
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KartikPrabhu
woah! link?/how does it work?
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snarfed
as well as posts/tweets, it can posse twitter favs, RTs, replies, and FB likes, comments, and even RSVPs, using standard mf2 and in-reply-to links that point to twitter/FB URLs
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snarfed
i still need to write docs, but here are some examples
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@willnorris
webmention likes and reposts now displayed as a facepile on WordPress https://willnorris.com/2014/03/display-likes-in-a-facepile #indiewebcamp
(twitter.com/_/status/442898718824476673)
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: awesome! will play around with it! thanks!
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: actually, just click on my "Recently published…" links on https://www.brid.gy/publish and look at the links. check out the mf2 in my posts on snarfed.org and the results on the FB/twitter links
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snarfed
great! feel free to ping me with q's
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: does this work independently of the backfeed? i.e. if I signup then will the backfeed start coming. I still haven't fixed my webmention receiving ...
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snarfed
yes, they're independent. signing up for publish won't also start backfeed
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willnorris
snarfed: not sure if you saw my post just now, but I've now got face piles working for likes and reposts :) https://wjn.me/b/K6
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willnorris
oh... just got your webmention :)
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snarfed
willnorris: hell yes i saw it! totally excited. i (think i) replied via direct webmention, not sure if you got it
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snarfed
aha good
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willnorris
after 9pm, so my phone didn't buzz
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snarfed
ah, well played
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snarfed
nice comment rendering btw, glad to see that works
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KartikPrabhu
willnorris: nice UX for likes/reposts
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willnorris
thanks. still some work to do, for example it doesn't distinguish between likes and reposts, but this was solid enough that I was happy sharing it
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snarfed
definitely!
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willnorris
I'll likely borrow aaronpk's UI that he has
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strand
Hello, I was trying to set up Indie Auth and got a "There was an error verifying this provider. Confirm you have a rel="me" link on this site pointing to your website." with both Twitter and Google.
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strand
I was hoping someone could help me troubleshoot it… I've set both sites to link to strabd.com (my site) and have links with rel="me" on my site.
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acegiak
looks fine to me
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acegiak
is the https the issues?
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KartikPrabhu
strand: Twitter has been having issues with IndieAuth. But your Google+ page does not seem to have your ebsite
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strand
Hrmm…
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: i see the errors you're seeing on bridgy publish. i may have over-optimized it for replies etc instead of original posts. i'll take a look.
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: I was about to ask! I still don't have full notes/replies on my website yet. POSSEing original articles would be sweet thouh
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snarfed
definitely! fair warning though, i don't yet truncate nicely for twitter :/
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snarfed
will be easy to add
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KartikPrabhu
np! I am just playing around for now. no need for anythign to be polished :P
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KartikPrabhu
strand: afaik github seems to work flawlessly with IndieAuth
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: aha. bridgy publish thinks if a post is a reply, it should be a reply to a silo post, since you're posseing. it's wrong, of course. filing an issue now.
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strand
Fixed the Google issue, I've linked to twitter using https… So it must be their damn fault.
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KartikPrabhu
strand: so it works with Google now?
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strand
Yeh, I'd forgotten to hit save when I updated it to point to my site… I find their interface a little confusing tbh.
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KartikPrabhu
cool! welcome to the indieweb!
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strand
Thanks, now alls I have to do is figure out how to push to at least one of the silos. :p
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KartikPrabhu
here's something to get you started: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: as an aside,how do you do diff. post types on your site? Diff. UI for each or same UI with some way to select what a post is?
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: it's all based on the mf2 of the post
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snarfed
oh wait, sorry
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snarfed
you mean, on snarfed.org?
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KartikPrabhu
yeah not bridgy
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snarfed
ah. eh, honestly, i don't actually really do post types
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snarfed
the last two don't have titles, but they're the same otherwise
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acegiak
goddamnit google plus, cant I just have acegiak as my url?
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: you insert h-* markup by hand?
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acegiak
snarfed: pretty much everything on mine is an aside
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snarfed
acegiak: makes sense
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: the basic mf2 (h-entry etc) is generated automatically
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KartikPrabhu
aah so you don't use h-as-note or something
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snarfed
when i post a reply or like on snarfed, i use a bookmarklet that generates that mf2 for the page i'm currently looking at
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KartikPrabhu
acegiak: I thought one could have a good Google+ URL
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snarfed
btw KartikPrabhu, if you try previewing one of your posts that doesn't have a u-in-reply-to, it should work
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acegiak
KartikPrabhu: yeah but only if it's your name
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KartikPrabhu
acegiak: oh well that sucks!
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: will check
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snarfed
no hurry
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: yeah no content trimming yet :P bridgy told me to tweet a probably 1000 word essay :P
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snarfed
heh, yup
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KartikPrabhu
should be an easy fix with p-summary
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snarfed
definitely! i'll probably still need trimming logic as a fallback though, or if p-summary itself is too long
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KartikPrabhu
yes definitely.
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KartikPrabhu
alright, indiewebcampers! I'm out... much science to be done tomorrow...
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snarfed
night KartikPrabhu!
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snarfed
thanks for trying publish
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snarfed
!tell tantek entertaining: now that i have that personal comms userstyle, i'm seeing it pop up on all sorts of unexpected web sites! e.g. https://snarfed.org/github_hcard.png
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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waterpigs.co.uk
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@tommorris
On Facebook, you can’t like yourself. On the indieweb, self-love is just fine. http://tommorris.org/posts/8842
(twitter.com/_/status/443011090583007232)
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tommorris.org
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Loqi
tantek: snarfed left you a message 10 hours, 19 minutes ago: entertaining: now that i have that personal comms userstyle, i'm seeing it pop up on all sorts of unexpected web sites! e.g. https://snarfed.org/github_hcard.png
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tantek
snarfed, neat! It's a great quick visualization of hCard/h-card presence.
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tantek
!tell snarfed neat! It's a great quick visualization of hCard/h-card presence.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters
!tell benwerd markup weirdness spotted on http://idno.co — there’s an a> after the “Patrons” link
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: neat! It's a great quick visualization of hCard/h-card presence.
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tantek.com
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sparverius
!tell loqi !tell loqi
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell dietrich do you think you can get MozPDX for hosting this week's Homebrew Website Club? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sparverius
so how was iwc. i am basically really pissed and sad that i missed it
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tantek.com
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tantek
sparverius - it was amazing
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tantek
still collecting all the blog posts from it
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sparverius
i saw that a lot of stuff has vimeo links
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tantek
it does?
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sparverius
i will be working my way through those today as i work
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sparverius
i was looking at something else. i was just skmming the site on my phone
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sparverius
but regardless, i am bummed that i wasnt there. :/
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tantek
after this weekend's IndieWebCampSF I feel like I need even more time to follow-up on all the awesomeness - who's in for Homebrew Website Club on Wednesday? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-12-homebrew-website-club hober iboxifoo kevinmarks snarfed
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snarfed
tantek: hell yes! my stretch goal is to have bridgy publish fully documented by then so i can pitch it with a clean conscience
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snarfed
(h-card userstyle is done, posting it today)
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tantek
snarfed sweet!
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tantek
my goal is to have at least URLs & Markup (for mobile comms) fully documented/posted by then
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tantek
stretch goal is to have first pass at decent CSS, super stretch is to have it demo ready.
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iboxifoo
tantek: not sure yet if i can make it
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iboxifoo
but i'd like to... :-)
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iboxifoo
well, i just switched my jabber network from gtalk to my own jabber server (prosody)
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iboxifoo
looks like it works good too
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snarfed
interesting!
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snarfed
personal cloud style
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iboxifoo
i'm now extricated from pretty much all 3rd party services
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iboxifoo
(which i can't run alternatively on my own server)
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tantek
iboxifoo - awesome!
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tantek
really pushing the edges of federation / ownership - very cool
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tantek
iboxifoo - you'd mentioned you were using Ansible right? would be great if you could add some pointers and setup info - even just a few links - make this page: http://indiewebcamp.com/Ansible
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snarfed
lol, will do
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iboxifoo
tantek: i'm using sovereign which uses ansible as its playbook
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iboxifoo
going by the syntax, ansible does look pretty straightforward though
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iboxifoo
soveregin: github.com/al3x/sovereign
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tantek
ah - then start this page instead: http://indiewebcamp.com/Sovereign
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tantek
and add yourself/yoursite in a "IndieWeb Examples" section :)
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iboxifoo
yea, i will do. thx!
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KevinMarks
Snarfed does it behave on a page with multiple hCard? Like the guest list for indieWebcamp?
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snarfed
KevinMarks: good question! definitely not
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snarfed
it's dirt simple and dumb right now
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snarfed
on the plus side, i'm about to post about it, and it's on GH and i happily accept pull requests
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KevinMarks
The principal hCard rules may help,
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snarfed
yeah, definitely
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snarfed
there's an IWC page or two with a "page author" algorithm too. might be the same thing, or overlap
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tantek
snarfed awesome! what you want is simpler than authorship (I think)
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tantek
you want the representative-hcard algorithm
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snarfed
thanks!
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sparverius
the only annoying thing about running your own cloud is when something breaks
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sparverius
worse when you break it yourself
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snarfed
sparverius++
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Loqi
sparverius has 3 karma
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iboxifoo
sparverius: true. webmail broke the other day
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iboxifoo
but i don't use it so no biggie
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caseorganic
Is there an actual IndieWebCamp Amsterdam in the works?
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snarfed
sparverius: that's the main reason indieweb is an itch for me personally, but personal cloud isn't so much
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iboxifoo
otherwise, things run real smooth. i'll tak the risk
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sparverius
i dont mind handing all of my stuff over to google but i have an escape pod if they ever announce dropping imap (for example)
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tantek
caseorganic - not AFAIK - where did you hear Amsterdam rumor?
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snarfed
sparverius: exactly. google takeout, and cron jobs for daily backups for a few other things, help
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tantek
sounds like a PESOS analog of cloud
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sparverius
snarfed: well, weekly backups but yes
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caseorganic
tantek: strangely i have indiewebcamp amsterdam on my calendar for wed, may 28, 2014.
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iboxifoo
sovereign does daily backups via tarsnap
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caseorganic
tantek: i think it came up during last year's uk indiewebcamp
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tantek
filters the infoset for 2014-05-28...
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caseorganic
tantek: technically it could be done. davy and i will be heading back from scotland at that time and we could extend a layover in amsterdam, but i wondered if anyone else knew where it came from. looks like nothing official so i'll ignore.
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tantek
caseorganic, most relevant hit for that date is UX London - http://2014.uxlondon.com/schedule/ which I'm likely going to
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tantek
scottjenson is also going to UX London
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caseorganic
tantek: ah, so a london indiewebcamp.
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caseorganic
scottjenson++
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Loqi
scottjenson has 3 karma
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tantek
or at least a London HWC - perhaps some evening during UXLondon
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tantek
cc: tommorris
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tantek
and hadleybeeman
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caseorganic
tantek: that sounds good. hmm, wondering how i can get to london. if i were speaking at uxlondon it would be a cinch
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tommorris
London IWC++
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tantek
we'll if you're already heading back from scotland...
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tommorris
Perhaps the ODI could host it
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KevinMarks
Ask hadley
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caseorganic
tantek: true! wow. that actually might work out well. wonder if i can get the flight changed. i'll talk with davy because i want to get her into indieweb too
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tantek
we should ask adactio - as he's involved with organizing UX London
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tantek
and he'd be best for suggesting what night to do a HWC meetup or if there's a chance of doing a one day IWC London adjacent to UX London
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caseorganic
tantek: that would be excellent
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caseorganic
tantek: i'd love to be able to do the designing for privacy talk there, too. logging off to dive back into the esri conf i'm at.
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@schnarfed
My first @IndieWebCamp SF hack: userscript that shows a web site's contact info with standard icons and formatting. https://snarfed.org/2014-03-10_lets-talk-userscript
(twitter.com/_/status/443089313987715072)
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snarfed
my new favorite G+ user: Alice Indiewebcamp. https://plus.google.com/103129254353982815404/posts
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snarfed
eviltantek says real names policy ftw!
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tantek
oh no
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aaronpk
oh I think I made that account to do a hangout for the portland indiewebcamp
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snarfed
yup, looks like
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tantek.com
edited /communication (+367) "add projects / Lets Talk"
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tantek.com
edited /communication (+505) "Articles section with links to blog posts"
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tantek
snarfed++ for shipping Let's Talk and blogging about it!
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Loqi
snarfed has 6 karma
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snarfed
thanks tantek!
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tantek
Nothing like shipping working code. :)
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aaronpk
snarfed: getting a lot of jquery js errors on your home page
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snarfed
aaronpk: ruh roh, ok. thanks.
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aaronpk
and getting "microformats is not defined" from the userscript
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snarfed
re the jquery errors on my home page, true! looks like those have been there for a while. i wrote approximately zero of my site's JS, so fixing those will kinda end up at the bottom of my todo list :/
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snarfed
re the microformats error, do you not use greasemonkey?
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aaronpk
is that a prereq?
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snarfed
i think it requires a GM-compatible container, since it pulls in a library with a tag in the metadata block
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snarfed
what do you use?
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aaronpk
what do you mean?
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aaronpk
i use chrome
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snarfed
how did you install the userscript?
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aaronpk
the way it told me to from userscripts.org
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snarfed
huh ok. looking.
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aaronpk
downloaded the JS and dragged it to the extensions tab
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snarfed
i am far from a userscript expert
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aaronpk
i've never used one before
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snarfed
oh interesting, so i guess chrome has a userscript mgr built in
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snarfed
ok. i'll file an issue for that
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aaronpk
ah darn, ok
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aaronpk
so i'm out of luck right now?
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snarfed
you could maybe install GM for chrome?
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snarfed
if that exists?
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aaronpk
hm i'll wait... i don't wanna screw with too much browser extension stuff
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snarfed
:P yeah fair enough
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kylewm
snarfed: thank you for the comment! my first one not from a silo :)
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snarfed
kylewm: glad to hear it!
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snarfed
btw you may want to de-dupe on source url, but i know that can take a bit of work
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aaronpk
still needs to de-dupe
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KevinMarks_
I discovered there is a book series called 'The Silo Saga' yesterday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool_(series)
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kylewm
ah, cool, lots of work still to do
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snarfed
KevinMarks: heh, that's on my to-read list, but the pun totally escaped me
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tantek
KevinMarks - that sounds like a good screen to add to IndieWebify.me!
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tantek
as part of it checking your home page
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters,bnvk what do you think of adding something like this to IndieWebify.me for when it checks your home page, have it check for various links to methods of communication? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/443093629406425088/photo/1
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
tantek: jf is here at the esri devsummit! twilio is one of the sponsors of the hackathon!
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tantek
whoa! that's awesome!
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tantek
give him (a little bit of) a hard time for signing up for IndieWebCampSF and not showing up :P
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tantek
that should be a ;)
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snarfed
tantek: is there a semantic difference btw :P and ;) ? (only half joking, actually curious)
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iboxifoo
snarfed: would like to know this too ... :-p
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tantek
snarfed, I think the difference is subtle, but ;) indicates more humor, and :P indicates more "giving a hard time"
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snarfed
oh wow. ok. thanks tantek.
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aaronpk
i would have thought it was the other way around, since the :P seems more "silly"
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snarfed
i'm emoticon ignorant, so i've used exclusively :P pretty much forever. might have to switch now.
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tantek
snarfed, it may also depend on the renderings in particular clients
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tantek
would be interesting if you could setup a series of mini-icons *of yourself* which clients would render when you uttered emoticons
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tantek
indiemoticons ;)
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tantek
see prior art: LiveJournal
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tantek
speaking of which, does anyone add/show visible "mood" metadata to their posts?
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aaronpk
oh man I miss that
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Loqi
bnvk: tantek left you a message 19 minutes ago: what do you think of adding something like this to IndieWebify.me for when it checks your home page, have it check for various links to methods of communication? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/443093629406425088/photo/1
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dariusdunlap
I'm a little behind on the conversation, but thought I would mention that I find the workflow in http://indiewebify.me/ to be confusing. Too much back-and-forth. Some kind of "% complete, here's what to do next" would be a big improvement.
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tantek.com
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tantek
aaronpk, feel free to braindump what you miss about it: http://indiewebcamp.com/mood
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iboxifoo
tantek: you could build that into your contact mocks
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tantek
iboxifoo - going to try to ship something simpler first :)
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bnvk
what does #indiecomms tag mean?
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aaronpk
it was one of the sessions this weekend
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kylewm
microformats question: if an h-entry has >1 u-url (i'm looking for the permalink URL), is there some way to mark which is the permalink? rel="bookmark"?
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bnvk
ah, focused on?
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bnvk
aaronpk: cool, thanks ;)
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aaronpk
kylewm: what other url would the h-entry have?
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kylewm
aaronpk, I noticed I was parsing snarfed's reply incorrectly https://snarfed.org/2014-03-10_re-kyle-mahan
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kylewm
it looks like the body has h-entry, and his Home link is marked u-url
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aaronpk
his home link is inside the h-card
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kylewm
oohhhhh, got it
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kylewm
looking like BeautifulSoup is not cutting it as a microformats parser
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kylewm
ty, aaron
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: might I suggest https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py which use BeautifulSoup to parse mf2. Sorry for self-publicising!
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KevinMarks_
kylewm: I think KartikPrabhu was integrating BeautifulSoup with tommorris's mf2 parser
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KartikPrabhu
ok now I don't feel so bad!
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KevinMarks_
kylewm: you can tell beautifulsoup to use html5lib, which may be safer as it pre-conforms the HTML
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tommorris
I really will get around to reviewing the patch soon.
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tantek
bnvk, there you go, more discoverable: http://indiewebcamp.com/communication
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tantek
we should add a Sessions section to that page and link to KevinMarks' notes
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tantek
and the etherpad
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richardlitt
... Is there a way to make an account on IndieAuth without the rel="me" thing?
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richardlitt
because it is totally stalling for me. :/
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KartikPrabhu
richardlitt: what are you use to authenticate? Twitter has been having issues, github or Google+ work correctly
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richardlitt
Was using a few things
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richardlitt
just cut it down to Github and Twitter
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richardlitt
it's not giving me an option, I'm guessing I just need to remove rel="me" from links that won't authenticate
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KartikPrabhu
that should not be a problem afaik
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KartikPrabhu
what's your URL?
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richardlitt
I got it now.
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richardlitt
Never ran across this system before.
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richardlitt
Thanks. :)
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richardlitt
whoa
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu, KevinMarks awesome, thank you. I will absolutely use it ... Btw, I just updated some links on the microformats wiki from http://code.tommorris.org/mf2py to http://code.tommorris.org/mf2py-hg. Do you know whether the github links are the actual canonical ones?
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snarfed
kylewm: agreed, KartikPrabhu++ for mf2. i use it in bridgy publish, it's great
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: tommorris moved the code to github for collaboration purposes, not sure if he considers them canonical
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snarfed
(particularly KartikPrabhu's fork. i think tommorris's repos lag behind.)
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tantek
maybe keep links to both?
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tommorris
the mf2py-hg link is historical
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tommorris
I ought to delete that.
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tommorris
the point was to switch it to git
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KartikPrabhu
richardlitt: what happened there!?
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tommorris
I’ve made a right mess of this. ;)
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richardlitt
No idea. :P
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richardlitt
I tried to connect with Github.
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snarfed
tommorris: not at all, you wrote mf2! that's the important part. repo cleanup is easy compared to that
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tommorris
I’ll tidy it all up soon. I’m just getting ready to go to the gym.
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kylewm
poor mercurial! :)
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KartikPrabhu
richardlitt: this was on login attempt to the wiki?
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tommorris
I was sort of under the illusion that the python community was still all-mercurial-all-the-time
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tommorris
but most python stuff is git these days afaict
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bnvk
tantek: cool :)
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richardlitt
It was.
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richardlitt
Tried it to or three times
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richardlitt
seems to be working now.
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richardlitt
...buggy. :\
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richardlitt
Yep.
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richardlitt
In other news, though
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richardlitt
I can now add my name to the Volunteer section for NY 2014
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KevinMarks_
git eats the world
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richardlitt
tantek, looks like you need some people
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: cc above conversation with richardlitt about indieauth login bug.particulary: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-03-10/line/1394479911
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KartikPrabhu
how about indiecode? and POSSE to github? :P
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tommorris
well, there’s a variety of open source github clones you can self-host
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KartikPrabhu
true true
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richardlitt
That would be me, I guess.
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snarfed
yeah, gotta love the lightning fast wiki edit messages here
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hadleybeeman
Tantek & KevinMarks : An event in London? What about MozLDN? Send an email to UK Reception, @t, and they'll tell you if/when the space is free.
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tantek
hadleybeeman - better if someone on the ground there steps up to organize venue
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hadleybeeman
I'm afraid I can't help right now… tommorris, if you want to give it a go, I can give you the email address
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tantek
reads tommorris' recent post about liking
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tantek
you can like your own posts however
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tantek
and comments
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tantek
commented on that post asking for more context
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tantek
and of course comment held in moderation because … WordPress :(
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tantek
I didn't even put any links into the comment
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tommorris
I think it’s more that if you set up a personal page
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tommorris
you can’t “like” people. but you can like pages. and you can create a page for yourself, if you want to keep your public persona and your private life separate
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tommorris
speaking of ‘likes’, there actually seems to be a silo’d use case for sharing those likes - Tinder and Dandy both use Facebook likes to show you shared interests with potential dating matches
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tommorris
(indiedate?)
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tommorris
if Tinder ever shows me a guy that has “Microformats” as a shared interest… :)
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tantek
tommorris - heh - on the indiedate notion - my last blog post on the subject: http://tantek.com/2010/336/b1/dating-preferences-public-profiles-formats-federating
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 4 minutes ago: what do you think of adding something like this to IndieWebify.me for when it checks your home page, have it check for various links to methods of communication? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/443093629406425088/photo/1
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tantek
good evening barnabywalters
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barnabywalters
evening tantek
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barnabywalters
currently implementing micropub so I can reply to things from my feedreader
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tantek
sweet!
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tantek
as in micropub endpoint?
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tantek
or micropub client in your feedreader?
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barnabywalters
tantek: both
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tantek
woot!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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barnabywalters
I need an endpoint so new posts can be made, and a client so I can make new posts ;)
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tommorris
micropub - documented somewhere?
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tantek
tommorris, ahem /micropub ;)
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tantek
finds it hilarious when the Wikipedia admin doesn't check the wiki first ;)
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tommorris
hmm. a simple alternative to XML-RPC MetaWeblog API
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barnabywalters
tommorris: indeed, designed by aaronpk from the best parts of indieauth, oauth, microformats and HTML forms
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KevinMarks
The micropub bit is easy, the auth is a bit more fiddly
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tantek
auth is always fiddly it seems
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: indeed, as I am experiencing at the moment
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KevinMarks
I'm going to try to get it working from noterlive.com for Wednesday
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barnabywalters
it’s quite tricky thinking from the point of view of the client app, destination app, auth server and user all at the same time
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barnabywalters
and remembering who should know what at what point
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KevinMarks
Yes, that's why I'm starting with a client to talk to aaronpk's server
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KevinMarks
The trouble with writing both sides at once is you can have shared bugs
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aaronpk
Luckily indieauth.com takes care of being the auth server for you so you can skip that step
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: yeah that seems like a good approach
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snarfed
barnabywalters++ for replying from feed readers
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Loqi
barnabywalters has 29 karma
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barnabywalters
I wrote a client app with aaronpk’s help
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snarfed
seems like a common indieweb experience
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snarfed
"I did XXX with aaronpk's help!"
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barnabywalters
aaronpk is so helpful
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aaronpk
Yeah building both a client and server at the same time is a challenge. I don't recommend it.
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barnabywalters
I want to make some diagrams which explain the full indieauth flow
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barnabywalters
to help keep track of who knows what and when
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aaronpk
That would be wonderful
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aaronpk
Keep in mind it's basically oauth 2.0
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barnabywalters
anyone know of a good oauth 2 flow diagram?
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barnabywalters
or… what are those client/server request/response diagrams called?
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aaronpk
If you make one I will add it to oauth.net :)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: then I will be FAMOUS
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barnabywalters
hrm — now I’m wishing there was a wiki for SVGs
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KevinMarks
How do you mean?
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KevinMarks
Isn't the drawing part of Google docs an SVG editor?
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: maybe, I don't use google docs. does it do version control? perceptual diffs?
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tantek
ability to edit without a Google silo ID?
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barnabywalters
yeah that too
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barnabywalters
I suppose just writing SVG into mediawiki might sort-of work
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tommorris
barnabywalters: Wikimedia Commons hosts a lot of SVGs. and renders them up for people unable to see them.
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KevinMarks
The text editor does, not sure about the drawing one
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barnabywalters
but text areas aren’t really good graphics editors
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tommorris
just upload SVGs to MediaWiki as a file
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tommorris
the file system in mediawiki keeps the old versions
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tantek
points to asciiflow.com
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barnabywalters
tantek: that’s perfect!
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tommorris
another reason to own your own site - you can see what you were doing [time period T] ago. like I just realised 2y 1d ago, I kinda wrote this - http://tommorris.org/posts/2557
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tommorris
every major life change ought to have a URL.
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tantek
is really tempted to start a parody: asciinounproject (dot com)
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barnabywalters
uh oh — after three years, has #indiewebcamp hit that stage where we just start making parodies of things
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tommorris
we need indieparody, a hastily constructed parody protocol to share parodies of things.
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snarfed
quite a post, tommorris!
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caseorganic
tommorris++
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Loqi
tommorris has 18 karma
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barnabywalters
goes back to programming
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tantek
whoa, long post is long. and looks heavy. 
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tantek
queues http://tommorris.org/posts/2557 for later reading.
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tommorris
I need a visual language for “this post is deliberately frozen as is for a reason and may not reflect my views today”. ;)
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barnabywalters
tommorris: I used to add a spiders’s web to the corner of any articles more than a year old
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tommorris
I was going to perhaps add a check box and some text.
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barnabywalters
twitter feed UI observation: clicking a “reply” tweet action then defocusing it will collapse the reply UI only if no text has been entered
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebapps @Johannes_Ernst: so the IndieWeb is the AirBnB of social networking
(twitter.com/_/status/443139609157849088)
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scottjenson
!tell snarfed I got my server to upgrade my PHP. I'm fully WebMentioned. It's pretty amazing....
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
wow that's great!
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barnabywalters
nice work scottjenson!
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scottjenson
Wasn't sure who was on
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scottjenson
I'm pretty excited!
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snarfed
scottjenson: awesome! looking now. i'm impressed they upgraded their php so quickly, too
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Loqi
snarfed: scottjenson left you a message 1 minute ago: I got my server to upgrade my PHP. I'm fully WebMentioned. It's pretty amazing....
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scottjenson
Next step: Notes (i've got a plug in to keep them separate) to I can experiment a bit on the side and not confuse things too much
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caseorganic
scottjenson++
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Loqi
scottjenson has 4 karma
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scottjenson
Thanks snarfed! I got your like from snarfed.org
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scottjenson
You know, I could learn to like this....
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snarfed
i saw!
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snarfed
heh, good
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snarfed
maybe we're on the right track
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snarfed
i need to encourage people here to indie-like more, on top of indie-replying
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scottjenson
Yeah, Will's like/retweet collapsing code will go a long way to make this awesome
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scottjenson
Hoping that comes in the next few weeks
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snarfed
definitely, i can't wait to get that too
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snarfed
i think the code is pretty specific to his theme right now. we should lean on him to fix that
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scottjenson
snarfed: To follow up on your last comment. I assume I need to post a note in order to like it on my site?
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scottjenson
Not sure how to do that
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snarfed
well, note vs article vs whatever doesn't matter, but the markup inside does
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snarfed
i comment and like a lot on my site, but hide them from the front page
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snarfed
if you click on my archive button (upper right) and check out a few of the recent posts, then search for e-content and look at the markup inside, that's what does the liking, etc.
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snarfed
e.g. my like of your post was just this: <a class="u-like u-like-of" href="http://jenson.org/easyhard/"></a>
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barnabywalters
snarfed: agreed on the indie liking — being able to like inline from a feedreader is likely to push me over the edge to actually implement that
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snarfed
totally! even with bookmarklets, going through wp's admin interface every time kills it :/
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snarfed
happily barnabywalters is working on inline replies (likes etc) from feed readers right now
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tantek
snarfed - do you and others consume "like-of" consistently enough that we can drop the use of "u-like" in that context?
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barnabywalters
consumes like-of
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snarfed
tantek: good question! wordpress plugins and bridgy support both
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snarfed
not sure beyond that
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tantek
barnabywalters - perhaps note in your subsection on IndieWeb Examples on /like ?
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snarfed
i'm happy to settle on either
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tantek
there was a reason why we wanted to switch from u-like to u-like-of on the hyperlink to the thing being liked
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snarfed
yeah, /like describes the reason
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snarfed
"Advantage …"
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barnabywalters
it reads better, more consistently with in-reply-to, e.g. “this post is in-reply-to that post”, “this post is a like-of that post”
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KartikPrabhu
supports like-of for ease of reading specially easy for beginners
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tantek
well that's a pretty strong consensu
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tantek.com
edited /like (+446) "update to u-like-of given consensus in IRC, note previously, switch from experimental to "How" since it seems pretty settled. a few more indieweb examples per claims in IRC"
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aaronpk
stupidly just realized he should be using the term "posts" as a catch-all instead of agonizing over what to call things
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snarfed
hell yes!
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tantek
aaronpk :)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: it would seem that Indieauth\getAccessToken returns a string if there’s a 404 fetching the token endpoint?
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aaronpk
it should return an empty array
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: that appears to not be the case, unless I’m doing something very wrong
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barnabywalters
tl;dr I’m using microchip’s xc8
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barnabywalters
oops, wrong channel
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kylewm
aaronpk: indieauth login to my site was waaaaay too easy to set up. incredibly cool & nice work on the documentation :)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: yep there’s certainly something wrong with Indieauth\getAccessToken. it seems to be trying to parse a HTML response as form-urlencoded
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barnabywalters
so there’s probably something wrong on my end, but that function needs to return a more useful value when errors occur. investigating further now
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: the response it gets should be form encoded, but yeah it should proabbly do something more useful on an error
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barnabywalters
yeah it looks like my token endpoint is returning 404 for some reason
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tantek
barnabywalters - do you know when you posted your first indie-like? when you received and displayed your first indie-like? http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Barnaby_Walters
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tantek
KartikPrabhu - same question(s) :) http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Kartik_Prabhu
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tantek
meh, gravatar seems oddly incompatible in this case: http://indiewebcamp.com/icon#Matthias_Pfefferle
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I just got notes working! :'(
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KartikPrabhu
all these hard questions!!
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tantek
oh sorry if I jumped the gun! I thought you got likes working from what you were saying.
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snarfed
tantek: wow, dates on the wiki are really formatted YYYY-DDD ? e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Ryan_Barrett
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snarfed
or is that a typo
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KartikPrabhu
my opinion on u-like vs u-like-of was from reading the wiki as a newcommer
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tantek
snarfed - no that (YYYY-DDD) is me being lazy
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tantek
sometimes I forget to translate back to Gregorian
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snarfed
"lazy"
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snarfed
oh man
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tantek
in the future, Gregorian dates have been abandoned for ordinal dates because it makes day math easier across the year.
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barnabywalters
tantek is from the future!
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tantek
also ends US vs EU arguments about MM/DD vs DD/MM
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KartikPrabhu
woah ordinal-dates++
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snarfed
why stop there?! dates should be day-only ordinals (e.g. 437432789) for easy math across years! :P
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snarfed
(kidding)
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tantek
snarfed, current unenhanced human cognitive limitations
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barnabywalters
oh man there are so many potential #eviltantek time-formatting jokes
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KartikPrabhu
actually leap years already mess that up
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tantek
snarfed, augmentations will solve that in the farther off future
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tantek
that's jumping too many generations
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snarfed
augmentations! pls take my money, kthxbye
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tantek
KartikPrabhu, altering the Earth's orbit to even number of days per year is even further off into the future
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KartikPrabhu
lol! can we have 100 days a year and 10 months plz!
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tantek
for those of you wishing to switch to or use ordinal ISO dates, there is full support for conversion between Gregorian ISO in #cassis.js
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barnabywalters
tantek: alter the earth’s orbit? that’s terrifying. #firstworldproblems on steroids
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KartikPrabhu
ok! whoever runs https://twitter.com/eviltantek should post the above ramblings! :P
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tantek
KartikPrabhu do not confuse evil with future
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tantek
with any luck we'll make the future *less* eveil
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tantek
s/eveil/evil
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: with any luck we'll make the future *less* evil
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KartikPrabhu
sure! eviltantek might make a year have irrational number of days, then we'll all be doomed!
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KartikPrabhu
1year = 100pi
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tantek
KartikPrabhu - a 100-day year would be too close to the sun for current weather modification tech
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KartikPrabhu
oh boy! this i escalating fast... :P
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barnabywalters
tantek: couldn’t we just speed up the earth’s orbit?
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tantek
it would be just outside Mercury's orbit
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KartikPrabhu
barnabywalters: nope. speed of orbit depends on distance from sun
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KartikPrabhu
Kepler's (0<i<4) law
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barnabywalters
KartikPrabhu: I suppose so
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tantek
Kepler's 3rd law
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KartikPrabhu
well there goes my physicist's card!
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KartikPrabhu
tantek, barnabywalters: on diff. note. Do you people have diff. UIs for posting diff. post-types or same UI with some option to select?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu - see (and add to) http://indiewebcamp.com/create
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snarfed
oh man, nice. once our kid arrives, maybe i can start him/her on ordinal dates first
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tantek
and metric system
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barnabywalters
KartikPrabhu: I have different UIs. you can see them: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/new
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KartikPrabhu
sweet! thanks
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tantek.com
edited /create (+38) "taproot articles"
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tantek
I thought I remember seeing screenshots or video of p3k as well somewhere
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KartikPrabhu
basically I hacked notes on saturday completely independently, but notes and articles have common things so have to clean that up
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barnabywalters
there’s a gif on /p3k
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tantek
perhaps copy it to /create ?
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tantek.com
edited /Main_Page (-3) "tweak icon spacing to more like what I remember scottjenson's design looking like in his demo"
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tantek
just lolled at "POOS". Oh dear.
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KartikPrabhu
wait what!?
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tantek
"post only on silos" apparently
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KartikPrabhu
haha! nice
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KartikPrabhu
there is a lot of poos around
lukebrooker, heraclitus__ and heraclitus___ joined the channel
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tantek
realizes he really should ship the person focused contact UX stuff on his site before tomorrow.
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snarfed
or at least before HWC
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tantek
snarfed, well, tomorrow has particular significance to me in that friends may be reaching to contact me more than other days.
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iboxifoo.com
created /sovereign (+873) "Created page with "[https://github.com/al3x/sovereign Sovereign] is a series of Ansible playbook scripts that administer a server. Established by [https://al3x.net Alex Payne], Sovereign has allowe...""
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snarfed
ahhhhh true!!!
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snarfed
happy early birthday :P
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snarfed
er sorry, yes, ;)
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tantek
is off to go snack & hack.