#indiewebcamp 2014-03-09

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barnabywalters scottjenson: that looks great, really clear and I like the little visual reinforcement of the main ideas
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barnabywalters small niggle: saying “the indieweb is *an* alternative” makes it sound like “IndieWeb” is some sort of protocol or piece of software
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barnabywalters but I’m not sure how to word it better OTTOMH
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barnabywalters midnight here, goodnight everyone!
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Loqi night
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@pypi ronkyuu 0.2.4: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.4 (twitter.com/_/status/442454549748396032)
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@artwisanggeni ronkyuu 0.2.4: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.4 (twitter.com/_/status/442456262244978688)
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] #indieweb @scottjenson: I redesigned 'what is the indieweb' with: your content is safe
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Loqi you are better connected
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Loqi you are in control (http://twtr.io/iuHMXE6FKW)
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KartikPrabhu post types question: DO people have diff. interfaces for each kind of post like article/note? Or just one interface where you select the post-type...
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I got evil tantek with full roundtrip POSSE on http://dunlaps.net/darius/ http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/i-RDzWk8K/0/M/DSC_3347-M.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/442459929639931904)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I am working on SSL setup and makeing notes on how to do it on the wiki as I go http://indiewebcamp.com/https (twitter.com/_/status/442460166009925633)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we've been talking about people focused communication - so instead of having apps you have website with contacts (twitter.com/_/status/442460431144452096)
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@benwerd RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twitter.com/_/status/442460434147209216)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we are all going to choose different formatting for the 'contact me these ways' but I want consistent design (twitter.com/_/status/442460541668560896)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I have a browser user script and user style that gives the same icons everywhere on everyone's sites (twitter.com/_/status/442460805377056770)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: most of you know brid.gy - it pulls comments and likes back to your site - I want to do the other direction too (twitter.com/_/status/442461073208524800)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: we've been talking about people focused communication - so instead of having apps you have website wi… (twitter.com/_/status/442461131127656449)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: we are all going to choose different formatting for the 'contact me these ways' but I want consistent… (twitter.com/_/status/442461139889557504)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I have a browser user script and user style that gives the same icons everywhere on everyone's sites (twitter.com/_/status/442461145241497600)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: so at https://www.brid.gy/publish I have a webmention handler it will figure out your post and POSSE into silos (twitter.com/_/status/442461281459904512)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442460434147209216 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I am making a like on my site that points to a a tweet and add a link to https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter (twitter.com/_/status/442461524029087744)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: similarly I can publish an RSVP link back to Facebook (twitter.com/_/status/442461730548252672)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: so I favorited this tweet and RSVP (twitter.com/_/status/442461780875694080)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: and I RSVP'd to this facebook event via posting on my own site (twitter.com/_/status/442461884575670272)
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I have a browser user script and user style that gives the same icons everywhere on everyone's sites (twitter.com/_/status/442461915273789440)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: if you send a webmention for this post URL you will cause a favorite on twitter or like/RSVP on FB (twitter.com/_/status/442462108085932032)
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@windley I want to implement @webmention on my blog. Looking into https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/442462109159288832)
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@iC RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: and I RSVP'd to this facebook event via posting on my own site (twitter.com/_/status/442462449539629056)
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@gcarothers RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442462454971256832)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: this is alpha, I have no docs yet. try it on https://www.brid.gy/publish (twitter.com/_/status/442462654058487808)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: if you send a webmention for this post URL you will cause a favorite on twitter or like/RSVP on FB (twitter.com/_/status/442462698799132672)
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@search8engine RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I am making a like on my site that points to a a tweet and add a link to https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter (twitter.com/_/status/442462889547685888)
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@schnarfed RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: so at https://www.brid.gy/publish I have a webmention handler it will figure out your post and POSSE into … (twitter.com/_/status/442463167327662081)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @wavis: I want to demo addressibility - this is an http server in 14 lines (twitter.com/_/status/442463509583261696)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @wavis: by addressing the SHA384 sum off the file I get the file itself back (twitter.com/_/status/442463773509812224)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @markymark: I have a project asheville.io that backs up your posts from silos like twitter and fb, and foursquare (twitter.com/_/status/442464186598424576)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @wavis: I want to demo addressibility - this is an http server in 14 lines (twitter.com/_/status/442464280995430400)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @wavis: by addressing the SHA384 sum off the file I get the file itself back (twitter.com/_/status/442464293091831809)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @markymark: I have a project asheville.io that backs up your posts from silos like twitter and fb, and foursquare (twitter.com/_/status/442464299932737537)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @markymark: first asheville syncs your content on a server like dropbox, google drive, then makes an API for it for you (twitter.com/_/status/442464352713854976)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @markymark: I'm using the APIs that they provide to download your content onto your dropbox (twitter.com/_/status/442464534364962816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @markymark: you can create a centralising machine to get your content back home http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (twitter.com/_/status/442464776174985216)
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@breizh2008 RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @markymark: you can create a centralising machine to get your content back home http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (twitter.com/_/status/442465031872339968)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @markymark: I want to make my website powered by asheville to show all my stuff (twitter.com/_/status/442465059185643520)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: mobiles aren't always ready, so occasionally I'll post to twitter in a moment of weakness, so asheville will tidy up (twitter.com/_/status/442465295417245696)
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:ios7-people-icons-screenshot.jpg]]""
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aaronpk feel free to help me take notes here https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-demos
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@danlyke @windley I think @WebMention is susceptible to same issues that sank Trackbacks. Easier to just parse known RSS feeds for inbound links... (twitter.com/_/status/442466015708856321)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: I had a really fun time making comics about the indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/442466038106816512)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: the first session we had was about different indieweb generations - people complaining about wht went wrong (twitter.com/_/status/442466273273077760)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: how I made a comic in a few hours - I used http://toonlet.com/comic which has character libraries to use (twitter.com/_/status/442466689905872896)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: then I imported the characters into omnigraffle and imported some comic bubbles (twitter.com/_/status/442467032014262272)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: I think of it as 4 generations - from coder to end-user and map through the stages for each (twitter.com/_/status/442467532717699072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: generation 1 is the developers like us who make custom blogging systems and can spawn code (twitter.com/_/status/442467746690121729)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: generation 2 is people like @dangillmor and @scottros who own their domains and post, now they get the conversation (twitter.com/_/status/442467914218995712)
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@jsuttor RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442467943423553536)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: Generation 3 have a domain and 3rd party hosting - setting up a name server (twitter.com/_/status/442468031479164928)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: Generation 4 have never bought a domain, and only used 3rd party software. you're slinging zipfiles at their brain (twitter.com/_/status/442468216141783041)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: we need each of these generations to explain to the next one down - we want an incremental approach (twitter.com/_/status/442468529405964289)
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snarfed hey bear! i don't know if you're listening to audio, but if you are, can you hear ok?
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bear yes, I can hear just fine
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snarfed great!
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bear the only time it glitches is when people clap :)
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snarfed hah
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snarfed bear, send me q's/comments here if you have any, I'll relay them
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bear coolness
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pauloppenheim bear: i pushed https://github.com/pauloppenheim/webmention-basic
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bear thanks pauloppenheim !
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I'm thinking about what it would be like to do a full posse for the non-profit my wife runs, as she does it by hand (twitter.com/_/status/442469642536488960)
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pauloppenheim bear: even works in py 2.5 >:)
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bear now your just showing off ;)
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bear :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: I set up POSSE, but ti was on a hair-trigger - every edit sent a new update (twitter.com/_/status/442469775911170048)
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caseorganic tantek: "how do you make buying and selling a domain as easy and as useful as buying a cell phone"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we should look at things that are successful - how do you make buying and using a domain as easy as a cellphone? (twitter.com/_/status/442470066681286656)
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@windley @danlyke @WebMention Polling lots of RSS feeds for mentions is not very efficient. Remember, I’m an event guy. :) (twitter.com/_/status/442470472819564544)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: that http://squarespace.com put a superbowl ad up to buy a domain and configure is a marker for this - reach out (twitter.com/_/status/442470517279580160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: squarespace have a dev api - not sure what it is (twitter.com/_/status/442470664734515201)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I now have a live demo of http://ownyourgram.com - it does one test photo (twitter.com/_/status/442470831999172608)
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caseorganic for generation 4, the experience should be as easy as a credit card
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: first you authorize your own domain with indieauth and micropub, then you auth in with instagram, and it gets 1 photo (twitter.com/_/status/442471145120751616)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: at this point you need to handle posting a photo to your site (twitter.com/_/status/442471395722022912)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: and it made this post: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/4/indiewebcamp-indieweb-sf of this photo http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/4/files/photo.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/442471656171507712)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: once I get this working I can make any photo I post on Instagram come back to my site (twitter.com/_/status/442471839961710592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm waiting for instagram to whitelist me to post comments to make this work fully (twitter.com/_/status/442472204295749632)
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gRegor` nervously puts his initial, beta webmention plugin out to the world: https://github.com/gRegorLove/nucleus-plugin-webmention
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gRegor` One of my first GitHub repos, too.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kyle_wm: I'm new to this - I came to the wiki and then tried to implement it from scratch from the wiki (twitter.com/_/status/442472535935176704)
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bear gRegor`++
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gRegor` I think that darn tic mark is going to prevent me getting points.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kyle_wm: i was working with brid,gy, trying to get things done within each 10 minute update cycle (twitter.com/_/status/442472779645190144)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: @kyle_wm is the first brid.gy contributor other than me -he added support for Show Original on facebook (twitter.com/_/status/442472963364114432)
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michielbdejong bear: is there video atm?
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bear michielbdejong - yes
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bear michielbdejong - is it working now?
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michielbdejong hm, i saw it briefly. will try restarting
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I started out with this blogpost http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience I have a habit of writing before building - must be w3c habits (twitter.com/_/status/442473515321933824)
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snarfed1 congrats gRegor`!
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bear snarfed1 - can you reset talky - michielbdejong is having trouble seeing the video
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aaronpk sure one sec
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snarfed1 ah thanks aaronpk
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gRegor` Is there a public link for the video?
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snarfed1 i was about to try and probably break it
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I then made anew blogpost documenting my idea http://tantek.com/2014/067/b1/building-blocks-people-focused-mobile-communication then mockups to tell a story http://tantek.com/2014/067/b1/building-blocks-people-focused-mobile-communication (twitter.com/_/status/442473779877642240)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a lor of this work was already on the wiki, so I made a narrative flow to help explain it (twitter.com/_/status/442473929186496512)
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caseorganic "there's a really big difference between having information posted as a reference vs. telling a story" - tantek
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caseorganic We need small indiewebcamps when we do generational transitions. that's why this one worked so well - small group, lots of things done. we can take this to a larger group now and have a map
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snarfed bear, do you know the talk for for gRegor`? (i don't)
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snarfed er, the talky url
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bear https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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gRegor` Thanks
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we do work on our own sites, but narrating it for other people too is also useful (twitter.com/_/status/442474339259404288)
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bear just remember to mute when you join - cuts down on the bandwidth
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I started out with this blogpost http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience I have a habit of writing before building - must be w… (twitter.com/_/status/442474571913256961)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I tried to use the activitystrea.ms site today, and it was far to dry to make sense of. this narrative is needed (twitter.com/_/status/442474675810369537)
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caseorganic kevinmarks presenting now
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caseorganic noterlive.com - he's showing his very fast method for livetweeting
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aaronpk started porting the indieauth php client to node, got about 20% through
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aaronpk goal is to use noterlive to be able to post to other people's sites
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caseorganic.com edited /barriers (+286) (view diff)
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aaronpk character counter in noterlive is now using tantek's cassis count to properly count characters taking into account twitter's t.co URL wrapping
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I have a number showing how many characters are left http://noterlive.com (twitter.com/_/status/442475271623831552)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we do work on our own sites, but narrating it for other people too is also useful (twitter.com/_/status/442475304272293888)
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caseorganic KevinMarks_: http://meme.loqi.me/4Uy1nG7G.jpg
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caseorganic tantek:
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: kevin is the first person to run the cassis code in javascript not php (twitter.com/_/status/442475542512951298)
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aaronpk tantek is writing code that runs in both PHP and javascript (cassis.js)
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caseorganic tantek has made spanglish code.
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aaronpk kevin also used the autolink function so that the HTML generated by noterlive is even nicer now
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Loqi [@kyle_wm] Loving seeing all the demos at the end of #indiewebcamp
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Loqi everyone's brilliant, cool mix of hardcore code people, v... http://kylewm.com/note/2014/5611 (http://twtr.io/iuPFqM8fAf)
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snarfed kylewm: congrats, it worked! (my like here: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/3/indieweb )
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aaronpk YAYYY
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kylewm snarfed, that's so cool! thanks for letting me play with it :)
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bear lost the talky
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snarfed happy to!
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caseorganic still tantek's code - it works. and it works in both javascript and php - kevinmarks
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caseorganic steal*
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aaronpk "tantek's code works in both php and javascript at the same time. I'm not saying you have to read it, but it works" -kevinmarks
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I started making http://noterlive.com work with micropub, but I didn't get it potted from PHP to node yet (twitter.com/_/status/442477450661199872)
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caseorganic.com uploaded /File:indie-web-camp2014-sf.jpg "IndieWebCamp 2014 by @aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/4/indiewebcamp-indieweb-sf Taken 2014-03-07."
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caseorganic.com edited /Main_Page (+212) "/* IndieWebCamp */ Added photo for IndieWebCamp SF 2014 to the home page!" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @pauloppenheim: with a static site of my own, I can sign into http://aaronparecki.com and see a private message for me (twitter.com/_/status/442477869445697536)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I don't have anything on my site. this is like receiving a dm on twitter without a twitter account at all (twitter.com/_/status/442478058654941184)
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tantek "what is the smallest thing I could implement that could ping me when I got a private message"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I'd like to receive webmentions, but I don't have a thing to receive them (twitter.com/_/status/442478170143727616)
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bear sorry - talky dropped again :(
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@search8engine RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I don't have anything on my site. this is like receiving a dm on twitter without a twitter accoun… (twitter.com/_/status/442478288368586752)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: with a static site of my own, I can sign into http://aaronparecki.com and see a private message fo… (twitter.com/_/status/442478436112924672)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I don't have anything on my site. this is like receiving a dm on twitter without a twitter accoun… (twitter.com/_/status/442478438910541824)
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caseorganic it's possible, but is it POSSEable?
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snarfed lol caseorganic
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I can parse the error log of my webhost to notify myself (twitter.com/_/status/442478618191888385)
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bear ok gang - i'm heading out for the night (2100 here) - thanks for an amazing day and I look forward to tomorrow
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aaronpk thanks bear!
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snarfed sorry bear. reloaded a few times
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snarfed ttyl!
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caseorganic bear: BYE!
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bear yep - it's a sign for me to go cook :)
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tantek good to see you bear!
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caseorganic it was AWESOME to see you!
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michielbdejong thx snarfed
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caseorganic http://meme.loqi.me/4Uye5U2.jpg
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bear yes, it was great meeting up with everyone today
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michielbdejong bye bear!
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bear bye michielbdejong
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pauloppenheim bear: thank you for your help and inspiration!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/442479086733385728)
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bear pauloppenheim - I'm glad you were able to get your code working!
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I can parse the error log of my webhost to notify myself (twitter.com/_/status/442479211761004544)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/442479216052166656)
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@evanwolf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/442479474328616960)
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tantek alright folks we're cleaning up and packing up, will be shutting down the video connection
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michielbdejong tantek: thanks! was great to follow it a bit from here
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@Liberationtech Learning about, & deploying, IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ by @DanGillmor (twitter.com/_/status/442479949233262592)
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@tomwiththeweath RT @Liberationtech: Learning about, & deploying, IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ by @DanGillmor (twitter.com/_/status/442480703108681728)
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@kevinmarks closing demo notes from #indiewebcampsf at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebsfdemowrapup.html - now with clickable links #indieweb #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/442482463709724674)
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@martagaba RT @Liberationtech: Learning about, & deploying, IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ by @DanGillmor (twitter.com/_/status/442482570396450816)
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KevinMarks_ aaronpk: this build_url function scares me.
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aaronpk KevinMarks: lol the one that builds the auth URL?
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aaronpk Or the one that resolves relative URLs
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KevinMarks_ the one that builds the URL, yes. I'm going to use a library function
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aaronpk Isn't there a function that turns an array into a URL?
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aaronpk Er, hash
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KevinMarks_ url.format() here: http://nodejs.org/api/url.html
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KevinMarks_ is there some weird PHP order preserving thing here that will blow up if use a js object ratehr than one of those mutant PHP things that aren't quite arrays or hashes?
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aaronpk Order doesn't matter in URL parameters. Is there a specific line in the php code you're referring to?
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8320 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8324 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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@schnarfed Pixel, the @IndieWebCamp SF mascot, says thanks for all the talking and hacking and petting! https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8324 https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/442518033127329792/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/442518033127329792)
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aaronpk KevinMarks: ohh that function https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/blob/master/src/IndieAuth/Client.php#L117
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aaronpk that's because php doesn't have that built in for some reason
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acegiak hey here's a fun question: do we consider it poor form to use something other than a picture of yourself for your icon?
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acegiak oh wait, found the para on that in the wiki page
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acegiak makes sense
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aaronpk we're getting to the point that there really is a wiki page for almost everything
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acegiak aaronpk: I'm super impressed with the wiki
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acegiak I kind of feel like I'm not contributing because there are things I could be adding but I just don't feel confident adding them
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acegiak but really I should put them in anyway so at least they're there even if they're poorly formatted
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aaronpk yes definitely! that's why it's a wiki!
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aaronpk it's easy to change if needed
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aaronpk if you're really unsure, you can always add a "Discussion" header, then add a note and sign it with your name (~~~~)
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@esplinr @windley Does webmention address the spam problem that plagues pingback? (twitter.com/_/status/442535801910329344)
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@kyle_wm RT @schnarfed: Pixel, the @IndieWebCamp SF mascot, says thanks for all the talking and hacking and petting! https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8324 http://… (twitter.com/_/status/442536077660655616)
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acegiak ok that's done then
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aaronpk wow cool, yes this is great to see!
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@autiomaa "POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere." http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE?utm_content=buffer59ceb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/autiomaa/status/442541553178128384/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/442541553178128384)
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acegiak aaronpk: should I list whisperfollow on the wordpress page or give it it's own page or what?
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@LloydDavis RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/442581771012812800)
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@twixmit Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/442585619470880769)
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks: closing demo notes from #indiewebcampsf at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebsfdemowrapup.html - now with clickable links #indieweb #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/442591246998315008)
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acegiak barnabywalters: my gratuitous reblogging seems to be clogging up your intertubes. I apologise
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barnabywalters acegiak: not a problem, it’s amazing that you’ve got native tumblr reblogging working and I’ve found some interesting stuff via your feed :)
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barnabywalters accurate timezones on the published datetimes would be a very welcome addition though
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acegiak oh right. I'll fix that now :P
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barnabywalters e.g. 2014-03-09T22:36:58+00:00 with +00:00 timezone has not happened yet ;)
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acegiak yeah. weird. the server and php both know they're in +9:30 so something weird is going on there
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barnabywalters acegiak: maybe wordpress has it’s own timezone settings?
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acegiak barnabywalters: it does, and that's what the theme is calling but that's set correctly
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acegiak the mystery deepens
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barnabywalters so according to irc-people, pfefferle (creator of sempress theme) is in +0100, and yet the posts on notizblog.org are all +0000
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barnabywalters so maybe it’s a problem with sempress?
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barnabywalters doesn’t know anything about wordpress
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acegiak yeah I'm looking into that possibility
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acegiak yaaay
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acegiak fixed it
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@scottjenson Hanging out with smart passionate people is always amazing. Such a great weekend, I learned so much! #indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/scottjenson/status/442683022106578945/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/442683022106578945)
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scottjenson And just for the record, yes, I posted that photo on twitter, please don't shoot me
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scottjenson When I eventually get 'notes' working on my blog, my request is that photos are copied into twitter not linked back to my site.
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scottjenson I realize this is technically twitters fault but photos that can be seen w/in twitter get much more traction
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scottjenson so i'm saying that POSSE should include *copying* a photo into another site
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bret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkSWipQysas
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bret Computer Chronicles - Web Plugins (1998)
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scottjenson Trying to edit IndieWebCamp and the wiki syntax is trying me insane
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scottjenson I just want to insert an image
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scottjenson I've uploaded the image and it even gives me the syntax: [[Image:SJ-TestShot.png]]
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scottjenson but when I insert it into the wiki text, it doesn't display properly
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scottjenson It just shows alink
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scottjenson any suggestions?
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scottjenson *driving me insane
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bret scottjenson: i peek an another page with an example when I get in that situation
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bret ill help look
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scottjenson I found the way to link to an external image
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bret ah ok
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scottjenson but is seems better to to do it through the wikicommon
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scottjenson Using the syntax: [[Image:SJ-TestShot.png|thumb|Just a test to get an image working]]
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scottjenson gives me a file: link, not the actual image
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scottjenson This is confusing as the other images appear to use the same syntax
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bret thats to a file that is hosted on the wiki?
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bret scottjenson: I know [[File:Screen_Shot_2013-08-28_at_5.12.26_PM.png]] works for me
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scottjenson ok, I'm copying other image text into my location and working my way to my code, I'll get it
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scottjenson thanks
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scottjenson I guess I'm just registering my frustration with wiki syntax :-P
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KevinMarks Yes, it's a continual problem. Ward cunningham showed off his new wiki system at indieWebcamp portland which is more wysiwyg
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scottjenson It's apparently an issue with wikimedia. If I copy/paste an image already IWC, it works. If I replace *just the name* with my image, it turns into a file link
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scottjenson This is my link text: [[Image:SJ-TestShot.png|250px|thumb|left|]]
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scottjenson My guess is it has something to do w/ how I uploaded the image but I can't see anything
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scottjenson I've even tried .jpg vs .png
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scottjenson I can link to *other* images/photos but when I try it, it turns into a FILE: link
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barnabywalters scottjenson: which image are you trying to embed?
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scottjenson [[Image:SJ-TestShot.png|250px|thumb|left|]]
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scottjenson but I think I found something
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scottjenson I've very case dependent
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scottjenson if you're off in case, it turns an image link into a file link
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barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/File:SJ-TestShot.png doesn’t exist
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scottjenson The wiki instructions were to upload to commons.wikimedia.org
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scottjenson should I upload somewhere else?
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barnabywalters oh really? where are those instructions?
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scottjenson What is odd is that the file link works, so the image *does* exist
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scottjenson I don't have the link handy
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barnabywalters usually we just upload to the indiewebcamp wiki using http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Upload
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scottjenson to be honest, there is very little information and I wandered around ALOT so I likely read it on a wikimedia page
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scottjenson bottom line: how should I upload images?
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barnabywalters scottjenson: ah, that could explain it. The only clue that you *can* upload images to the indiewebcamp wiki is the tiny “upload file” link at the bottom of each page
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barnabywalters scottjenson: go to http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Upload and upload the file there
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scottjenson <slaps forehead>
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barnabywalters that is something which could be so much clearer
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@dariusdunlap RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twitter.com/_/status/442706818788126720)
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barnabywalters maybe moving the link from the bottom to the sidebar would be a good start
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scottjenson I'm turning out to be a fairly effective 'canary in the coal mine" for IWC as I am *really* good at getting things wrong ;-)
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scottjenson What I would like is a 'basics of posting' that covers wiki syntax and photos
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scottjenson I should probably write it
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barnabywalters scottjenson: that’s a really good idea! we should at least stub that now
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barnabywalters what do you think of http://indiewebcamp.com/editing as a location?
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scottjenson Happy to work on this. Could I ask you to stub so (just so you put it in the correct place)?
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scottjenson great
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scottjenson Just thinking about a link on the home page
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scottjenson maybe just a link off of the "Getting Started" page
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scottjenson so people can wander into it easily
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scottjenson that worked! thank you
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barnabywalters scottjenson: thanks, that’s much better worded :)
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caseorganic scottjenson++
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Loqi scottjenson has 1 karma
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scottjenson why thank you...
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dariusdunlap I'm a bit disappointed that caseorganic has not yet made an EvilTantek twitter account.
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caseorganic dariusdunlap: heh
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dariusdunlap caseorganic++ for the hilarious rant on "things EvilTanktek would say".
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Loqi caseorganic has 122 karma
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caseorganic dariusdunlap: :) thanks!
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dariusdunlap Last night in the HotTub, telling my Wife about my day... "So Tantek poses with pixel, and I put up the photo as "EvilTantek", and we all start laughing about "things EvilTantek would say."
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dariusdunlap Wife: "So this is like World of Warcraft inside jokes..."
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dariusdunlap Me: "Yeah, but with dozens of people getting the joke, not millions."
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dariusdunlap Twitter: "@EvilTantek followed @dariusdunlap"
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dariusdunlap Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
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dariusdunlap caseorganic++
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caseorganic dariusdunlap: what? that wasn't me!
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dariusdunlap That's even funnier!
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kylewm @EvilTantek's bio is amazing
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kylewm eviltantek++
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Loqi eviltantek has 2 karma
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caseorganic Well, looks like you started a very fun monster!
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bret so much mailing list
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bret heehee
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barnabywalters where can we suggest things that #eviltantek would say?
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bret bummed to have missed out on the SF camp fun
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barnabywalters “brb, adding all the schema.org vocabularies to my site”
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barnabywalters “so excited about fatberg.org! #enterprise #frameworks”
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caseorganic bret: there will be a next time!
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bret scouring the eitherpads
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bret :D
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caseorganic barnabywalters: hmm, you could collect them on a wiki page and @eviltantek with them?
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barnabywalters caseorganic: looks like this channels is as good a place as any… https://twitter.com/EvilTantek
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caseorganic barnabywalters: oh hey, that works well!
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bret SSL is confusing to me still. Have played with it a few times, but still have not found a very practical resource for learning about it, other than just trying stuff using random tutorials of various quality
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aaronpk bret: yeah it's confusing. was the https page on the wiki any help?
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bret i dont remember let me check
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bret yeah there is good info there. But the other issue is that Apache and Nginx are also hard to get started with
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bret so I guess the issue is not just SSL, but how it it fits in with all the other programs I want to use it with
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barnabywalters #eviltantek “added meta-keywords and OG to @silowebcamp site but http://www.campsilos.org/ is still higher on google #SEO #help #plz’
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caseorganic Watching @t read @eviltantek
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bret shouldnt the username be @evilt ?
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barnabywalters bret: already taken: https://twitter.com/evilt
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bret I'm betting it would be worth while to post an issue to keybase encoraging them to use rel=me for personal website verification
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aaronpk oh good call
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aaronpk are you on keybase now?
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bret I love their artwork
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bret ya just setting it up today
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aaronpk nice
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bret doing bad security by trusing their web app to generate my key XD
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aaronpk heh yeah
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bret https://keybase.io/bret
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aaronpk yay
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@davewiner Dan Gillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools. http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/442742240600145920)
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bret gpg vs ssh keys man.... whats the deal? why do they have to be different
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@nchenga RT @davewiner: Dan Gillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools. http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/442742343738097665)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @davewiner: Dan Gillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools. http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/442743217491312641)
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@Tegwick RT @davewiner: Dan Gillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools. http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/442744064098963457)
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@versvs @davewiner Pushing forward the now known as "indieweb" is a must, Dan (maybe you too) would probably enjoy this https://medium.com/p/fd121c286cc :) (twitter.com/_/status/442744427610923008)
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@nchenga Need to install the indieweb plugin for wordpresssssss http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/442747066931220480)
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@montyhamilton #sxsw @annewoj23 says 650k customers now for @23andMe ...I wonder if it's a story of "any PR is good PR" and says #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/442749256139419648)
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@NYC_PJ #ownyourdata Blue Button Connector @23andme Patients should be able to access their genetic/health data #sxsw2014 https://twitter.com/NYC_PJ/status/442749453330436096/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/442749453330436096)
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@yellif Perhaps the biggest message so far at SXSW is to own your own data #ownyourdata #futgenes #sxsw (twitter.com/_/status/442749799733788672)
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@MsMizz Yep! Hearing loud & clear. RT @yellif: Perhaps the biggest message so far at SXSW is to own your own data #ownyourdata #futgenes #sxsw (twitter.com/_/status/442750101111701504)
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@CharleyMaryRose Easier said than done @yellif sometimes... #ownyourdata #futgenes - Hope you're having a blast at #SXSW14 :-) (twitter.com/_/status/442750177892241408)
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@GreenDotMike Ann Wojcicki talking 23andMe w/ @karaswisher at #SXSW Time for changes in healthcare. #OwnYourData https://twitter.com/GreenDotMike/status/442752348796903425/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/442752348796903425)
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snarfed oh man. who's writing @eviltantek?! it's scary funny
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snarfed scottjenson: welcome to irc! congrats and condolences :P
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/39279413 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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scottjenson hey! I'm just keeping the window open so with come/go throughout the day
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snarfed yup, that's the right idea
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aaronpk !tell snarfed I got as far as being able to delete the existing comment, and sure enough, posting a comment is failing. Still no word from my whitelist request.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 45 seconds ago: I got as far as being able to delete the existing comment, and sure enough, posting a comment is failing. Still no word from my whitelist request.
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snarfed scottjenson: i'm guessing you've seen http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting and related pages, right?
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snarfed (same software running indiewebcamp.com)
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snarfed aaronpk: whee, yeah. thanks for the update
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snarfed hey, if you're hacking on this now, would you mind also trying their like api?
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snarfed it's supposedly not whitelisted, but i never saw it work. details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/10
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scottjenson Well, I have now... ;-) My page isn't that critical but I was stumped for about 20 minutes by images
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scottjenson I really wrote the page more for etiquette on image posting as all of those pages still didn't help me
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snarfed scottjenson: me too! took me a while to figure out how to upload too. fortunately, once i found Special:Upload, it has the wiki markup for inserting images
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snarfed thanks for the editing page!
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@dlature .@DanGillmor new book prj:helping people und'std consequences of centralized technology/comm& what we can do about it http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (twitter.com/_/status/442764724523253760)
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scottjenson Not sure I like how the table of contents jam into my lovely new intro paragraph....
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scottjenson Anyway, it's up and happy to have others wordsmith, tweak, fix
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scottjenson The point is to talk about the Indieweb from a values position, not technical. Why should I care?
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andendau any indie web camp projects looking for qa automation?
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aaronpk first photo automatically PESOS'd from ownyourgram.com! http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/09/2/indiewebcamp
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aaronpk whee!
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emmak aaronpk: cool :)
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emmak micropub supports uploading a photo as well as post text?
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bret what are some of the other specs similar to micropub?
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pauloppenheim ahh, i should add to the webmention page. gah, later
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aaronpk Atompub is one
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aaronpk And yes, supports uploading photos! There should be enough docs/walk through on ownyourgram.com now to see how it works
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aaronpk The idea with micro pub is at it's simplest it should be able to work with an HTML form
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aaronpk And since HTML forms support photo uploads so does Micropub!
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/#IndieWebCampSF_2014 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/#IndieWebCampSF_2014 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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emmak how does ownyourgram discover when you've posted to instagram?
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aaronpk Instagram has a realtime API that sends a post request to ownyourgram any time someone who has logged in with ownyourgram posts a photo
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aaronpk emmak ^
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aaronpk So it's pretty much instant which is neat
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aaronpk ✈️
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emmak nice, i'll try to add the indieauth and micropub endpoints so my site can use it
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emmak i'd also like to be able to posse to soundcloud, but haven't looked into the feasibility of that
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aaronpk Awesome! Would love any feedback on the ownyourgram walk through. It's supposed to give you all the info you need
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KartikPrabhu post types question: DO people have diff. interfaces for each kind of post like article/note? Or just one interface where you select the post-type...
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aaronpk whee. I told safari to act like an iphone, and gogo inflight gives me free 30 minutes now
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: I have separate interfaces for articles and notes
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aaronpk currently my interface for photos is instagram :)
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KartikPrabhu cool! My notes hack yesterday was completely independent of the article one that already exists. But they have a lot of common stuff going on. So i was wondering how to do that efficiently
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KartikPrabhu that = merge the common stuff
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@portenkirchner Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/442797178390859777)
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