#indiewebcamp 2014-03-08

2014-03-08 UTC
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dariusdunlap Barnaby's toolbelt: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt
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dariusdunlap Amazing what this does... still trying to wrap my head around it...
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dariusdunlap Ooh! He has a video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OAfvuKCsEk
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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gRegor` Evening, everyone.
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acegiak morning!
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gRegor` :)
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gRegor` [local time of day[, everyone.
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acegiak http://thinkmoult.com/ugt.html
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acegiak I use it by default for irc now
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gRegor` I'm probably participating in my first hackathon next week at SXSW Music: http://sxsw.com/music/hackathon 1) Does anyone have any indieweb-related ideas? It's a stretch, but I figured I would ask for ideas. 2) Is anyone going to be there during Music (March 11-16)?
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acegiak gRegor`: wracking my brains but I guess most of the things I want done I try and do myself
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gRegor` I don't have any ideas yet, either, so I'll probably hook up with a team that has an interesting sounding idea.
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acegiak barnabywalters: that web action toolbelt is so cool!
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barnabywalters good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek gRegor - whoa - #indiewebcamp people at SXSW!
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barnabywalters acegiak: thanks!
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barnabywalters !tell michielbdejong nice work on webrtc “call me” buttons — see also http://indiewebcamp.com/phone for previous brainstorming and experimentation!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks notes form more #indiewebcampsf sessions at http://www.kevinmarks.com/ #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442097900089131008)
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acegiak does it make sense to put hmmm
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gRegor` tantek: Yep. Wish I could be there for Interactive, too. Maybe next year.
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acegiak I'm thinking I should start using a custom post type for my whispers rather than piggybacking on asides
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gRegor` Whispers? Like a private message?
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acegiak gRegor`: I'm using the term whispers for all cross site content at the moment, private and public
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bear own your ??? what is the url for that ?
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barnabywalters bear: context? what are you looking for?
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bear the indieauth session - but I found it - ownyourgram.com
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@kyle_wm @kyle_wm Testing to see if a webmention is sent over brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/442100858717618176)
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barnabywalters yeah it’s a pity indie + stagram = instagram portmanteau is already taken
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acegiak here's a question: does h-entry=>h-cite=>u-like work?
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acegiak barnabywalters: in their defence "stagram" wouldn't be a thing without them
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barnabywalters acegiak: I believe there were *stagrams before instagram
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barnabywalters acegiak: RE mf question, what are you trying to mark up?
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aaronpk indiegram?
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acegiak aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 388 karma
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barnabywalters what is the h-cite in relation to the h-entry? a citation within the entry which is liking something, or a citation being liked by the h-entry?
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barnabywalters h-entry > h-cite > u-like represents a URL that the h-cite is liking
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acegiak yeah see that's the problem
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barnabywalters (IIRC it should be u-like-of)
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acegiak I agree
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acegiak the problem is that when I h-cite something I have to link to it as the u-url of the h-cite
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caseorganic tantek: https://twitter.com/jeffreyrbunch/status/377009306085773314
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@jeffreyrbunch @caseorganic: It's an auto post from a service I use for client Twitter research. (twitter.com/_/status/377009306085773314)
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barnabywalters acegiak: so is the h-cite the thing being liked by the parent h-entry?
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acegiak and so if I want to also u-like that same thing that I'm citing do I create a separate <a> outside the h-cite?
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acegiak barnabywalters: yeah
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barnabywalters in that case treat it the same as you would a reply context
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caseorganic todo recreate this photo: be prepared to do this after our group photo http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/7/1394213917630/Oscars-selfie-006.jpg
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barnabywalters e.g. h-entry > .h-cite.u-in-reply-to
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kyle_wm/441979884487704576/442100858717618176 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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barnabywalters for a like it would be .h-entry > .h-cite.u-like-of
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acegiak oh so it doesn't have to be on the <a>?
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barnabywalters e.g. see how my replies are marked up http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwaterpigs.co.uk%2Fnotes%2F%3Ftagged%3Dreply
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caseorganic Original photo: https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/statuses/440322224407314432
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@TheEllenShow If only Bradley's arm was longer. Best photo ever. #oscars https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/status/440322224407314432/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/440322224407314432)
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barnabywalters acegiak: IMO consumers should accept either a plain URL or a h-cite as the value of in-reply-to, like-of properties
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@kevinmarks #indieweb [I'm not noting the auth session because this requires complex debate] (twitter.com/_/status/442102584048750593)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/441979884487704576/2788841 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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barnabywalters as there are strong reasons for including that information in the markup, as documented on http://indiewebcamp.com/in-reply-to
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acegiak I suppose because then if you're looking at it you've got a u-like-of and the u-url is a property of the u-like-of
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barnabywalters acegiak: exactly!
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acegiak hmmm
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caseorganic tantek: https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/442020305637101568
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@aaronpk IndieWebCamp SF introductions at the Embassy! http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/indiewebcamp-sf-20140307-113211.png #indieweb (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/07/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/442020305637101568)
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caseorganic tantek: ^^ picture posse to twitter from aaronpk
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acegiak maybe when I reblog something but don't comment on it I should h-cite without in-reply-to
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acegiak becasue there's no reply
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barnabywalters acegiak: that sounds like a sensible strategy. there’s also u-repost-of for reblogs, which might be the most accurate semantic
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tantek.com created /LinkedIn (+558) "stub with IndieAuth problem" (view diff)
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barnabywalters and at least taproot and p3k consume it, and list reposts differently to replies
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acegiak barnabywalters: yeah I think we were discussing the question of the difference between citing somethign and reposting it
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barnabywalters think of replies as things which should show up in comment threads, whereas reposts, likes and mentions can either be displayed more compactly (as taproot does) or summarised above (as p2k does)
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acegiak yeah
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barnabywalters acegiak: interesting — that difference is certainly a hazy, yet-to-be explored edge
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barnabywalters the question being, is a repost of something strong enough syndication semantics to warrant using h-entry rather than h-cite
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barnabywalters TBH I doubt it really matters that much practically — for property-nested microformats it’s the property name they’re under which typically controls how they’re used rather than their type(s)
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acegiak barnabywalters: I'm coming from an oddball angle in that my primary social network is tumblr so that's the kind of user-experience I'm used to
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barnabywalters acegiak: it’d be great if you could expand on the things which make Tumblr reposts unique here: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Tumblr
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acegiak yeah I've been trying to find the time to add a bit more to the tumblr sections of the wiki
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barnabywalters I’m not so familiar with it personally but tumblr users seem to take reblogs quite seriously, so we should learn from that
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barnabywalters acegiak: thanks!
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acegiak barnabywalters: yeah. one of my favourite things was getting my indieweb reblogs of tumblr content to posse back to tumblr as native reblogs
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barnabywalters aaronpk: is it feasible to make Loqi expand/summarise microformatted notes and articles in IRC? it would be a great way to make them more tangible
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Loqi who, me?
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acegiak becasue to post it as a new tumblr post even if you're linking back to the original is bad form
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /repost (+234) "/* Tumblr */ paraphrased acegiak’s comments about tumblr reblogging ettiqete" (view diff)
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acegiak takk
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acegiak I'm getting some screenshots of the tumblr reblogging flow now
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barnabywalters just realised if I make http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes a micropub app and give taproot a micropub endpoint, doing seamless inline likes, comments and reposts will be as easy as on the twitter timeline
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barnabywalters like web actions but without the need for extra clicks, as it’s only one trusted site as opposed to having to log into every site
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barnabywalters so the two things can coexist nicely
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@iboxifoo Photo opp #indieweb #indiewebcamp @ The Embassy Network http://instagram.com/p/lQ2ETkD7Pk/ (twitter.com/_/status/442109673265954816)
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tantek in the wordpress session: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-wordpress
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@BridgettePerdue check out this album review from @IMoveiLive http://imoveilive.com/albumreview-enjoy-this-moment/ #music #indieweb #unsignedartist (twitter.com/_/status/442112815441408000)
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@domenicoperri RT @kloptbaze: Rise of the IndieWeb - Amber Case - FutureTalks http://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/442113899568328704)
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@kevinmarks #indiewebapps @aaronpk: http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub specifies how to send arbitrary properties to the server for a post, with html fallback (twitter.com/_/status/442115229313667073)
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pauloppenheim The Log: What every software engineer should know about real-time data's unifying abstraction - http://engineering.linkedin.com/distributed-systems/log-what-every-software-engineer-should-know-about-real-time-datas-unifying
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@irasocol RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twitter.com/_/status/442117687075164160)
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@schnarfed @dangillmor congrats! welcome to the #indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/442117726010482688)
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@kevinmarks #indiewebapps @pauloppenheim: I have a static page on my domain, and IndieAuth means I can be part of a conversation without code (twitter.com/_/status/442118674833768448)
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bear the talky laptop seems to have "gone away"
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aaronpk bear: oh no! i think the battery died!
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bear no worries - it's 2100 here - a good time for me to get dinner
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aaronpk it's ok, we're about done here
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aaronpk wrapping up for the day, going to head to dinner
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bear i'll be online tomorrow also for this
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@kevinmarks #indiewebapps @Johannes_Ernst: so the IndieWeb is the AirBnB of social networking (twitter.com/_/status/442119491326312448)
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tantek !tell snarfed http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#must_follow_redirects for the Webmention plugin
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk awesome, was great to have you participate!
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pauloppenheim bear: same here, it's 6 and we're off schedule
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bear thanks for letting me lurk :)
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pauloppenheim bear: thank for your input to the conversation!
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 13 seconds ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#must_follow_redirects for the Webmention plugin
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bear waves and wanders off
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tantek aaronpk I have another power supply
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebapps @Johannes_Ernst: so the IndieWeb is the AirBnB of social networking (twitter.com/_/status/442119916452184064)
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@kevinmarks Notes on the IndieWeb Apps session of #indiewebcampsf http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebapps.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442120984007426048)
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@domenicoperri "@kevinmarks: Notes on the IndieWeb Apps session of #indiewebcampsf http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebapps.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp" (twitter.com/_/status/442124959327211520)
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@IMoveiLive RT @BridgettePerdue: check out this album review from @IMoveiLive http://imoveilive.com/albumreview-enjoy-this-moment/ #music #indieweb #unsignedartist (twitter.com/_/status/442125590486081536)
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@schnarfed RT @kevinmarks: #indiesilos @schnarfed: securing login is fundamentally hard - the great idea of IndieAuth is to use the big companies' har… (twitter.com/_/status/442127969494892544)
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@Shariwriter #indieweb Friday night book plug. http://www.amazon.com/Behind-Closet-Door-Shari-Rood-ebook/dp/B00HTBU2GA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394235059&sr=8-1&keywords=shari+rood (twitter.com/_/status/442128810008645632)
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Loqi michielbdejong: bear left you a message 4 hours, 30 minutes ago: the signalmaster devs are telling me that it should be able to run under https
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Loqi michielbdejong: barnabywalters left you a message 2 hours, 9 minutes ago: nice work on webrtc “call me” buttons — see also http://indiewebcamp.com/phone for previous brainstorming and experimentation!
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michielbdejong.com edited /phone (+409) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ added my "Call me" button" (view diff)
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@casebot Caseorganic published a photo: Splinter #indiewebcamp session about displaying POSSE content on silos without ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13002045414/ (twitter.com/_/status/442143451530805248)
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@casebot Caseorganic published a photo: #indiewebcamp selfie with @tantek @kevinmarks: caseorganic posted a photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13001797233/ (twitter.com/_/status/442143452923301888)
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@casebot Caseorganic published a photo: #indiewebcamp board complete!: caseorganic posted a photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13002050824/ (twitter.com/_/status/442143453678288896)
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@casebot Caseorganic published a photo: @aaronpk runs the #indiewebcamp #indieweb message board.: caseorganic posted a ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13002053494/ (twitter.com/_/status/442143454395506688)
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michielbdejong.com edited /phone (-18) "/* Michiel B. de Jong */ typos" (view diff)
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Loqi adambrault: michielbdejong left you a message 7 hours, 34 minutes ago: how can i tell simplewebrtc.js to use my signalmaster instance?
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Loqi adambrault: michielbdejong left you a message 7 hours, 26 minutes ago: ok, found the 'url' config option. https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html now only warns that :8888 runs http instead of https
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tantek.com edited /WordPress (+31) "put logo at top" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+0) "sort" (view diff)
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@t Did #indiewebcampsf sessions on #indiecomms #https #yourfriendthesilo #possepatterns #wordpress. #brainfull #indieweb (ttk.me t4Uw2) (twitter.com/_/status/442187357958455296)
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unreally help
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unreally sorry, wrong window...
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aaronpk !tell cweiske are you really still 24 years old? http://cweiske.de/aboutme.htm
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu hello indiewebcampers! Hope the first indiewebcampSF went well!
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks: #indiesilos @schnarfed: brid,gy will talk indieweb stuff - if you markup your post with microformats as a like, it can post… (twitter.com/_/status/442196885886218240)
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks: #indiesilos @schnarfed: the 2 things are microformats to mark up your content for structure and webmention to tell another … (twitter.com/_/status/442196935379009537)
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aaronpk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sP4k2nPu7w
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: that was awesome!
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aaronpk :)
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KartikPrabhu I'll probably take the indiewebcampSF excuse and implement notes on my website!
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KartikPrabhu < now that I said that, I have to do it >
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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KartikPrabhu w00t! so tomorrow personal indieweb assignment: notes!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: too much dancing buddy
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aaronpk if you are awake at 16:30 PST you are welcome to demo via the livestream!
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KartikPrabhu needs to find out what 16:30 PST means in local time!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: cool! will look into it. That'll be around 1830 in Chicago and I should be awake and ready with notes by then :P
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bear.im edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+300) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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acegiak so I'm thinking an h-entry should be able to contain a <div class="u-reblog-of"> which then contains a u-url and p-content
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KartikPrabhu isn't there a "repost-of" already that folks use?
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acegiak sorry that's what I meant
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KartikPrabhu acegiak: yup seems people are using it. 16:30 PST
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KartikPrabhu sorry. http://indiewebcamp.com/repost
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KartikPrabhu see counterproposal
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acegiak yeah. but they're using it posting the content as the h-entry content and then the repost-of is on the return link
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KartikPrabhu i see what you mean
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KartikPrabhu but a u-* property is supposed to be a url property
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KartikPrabhu and I don't think properties can have nested properties either
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acegiak hmmm
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak so then h-repost-of and h-like?
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KartikPrabhu but you could have something like <div class="u-repost-of h-entry"></div> then the div containing a u-url and p-content
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KartikPrabhu but i'd check how mf2 parsers handle that
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acegiak yeah
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KartikPrabhu http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ seems to handle that pattern correctly
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KartikPrabhu correctly = as expected/wanted
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KartikPrabhu alright! I'm out. See you guys tomorrow.
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KartikPrabhu is pumped to get notes working
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@michielbdejong having a look at https://www.npmjs.org/package/microformat-node for parsing events and posting rsvp replies #indieweb (/live/34) (twitter.com/_/status/442215780470763520)
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@michielbdejong RT @t: Did #indiewebcampsf sessions on #indiecomms #https #yourfriendthesilo #possepatterns #wordpress. #brainfull #indieweb (ttk.me t4Uw2) (twitter.com/_/status/442217318022533121)
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Loqi cweiske: aaronpk left you a message 6 hours, 14 minutes ago: are you really still 24 years old? http://cweiske.de/aboutme.htm
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cweiske !tell aaronpk: no. this time is long gone
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@scottradcliff Recently discovered and now reading about the IndieWeb. I'm officially interested. (twitter.com/_/status/442313639320485888)
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KevinMarks Well, this 7am train feels almost relaxing after getting the 6am one yesterday
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adambrault I'm running webrtccamp across town, so I can't be there today.... had a great time meeting folks. I hope to make it to pdx in June.
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adambrault BUT I made a thing last night that might be relevant to your interests: https://github.com/adambrault/talkto — you can add a SimpleWebRTC video hangout to your domain just by forking this repo and changing the CNAME. (I just did talkto.adambrault.com)
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willnorris_ Not sure if anyone noticed this yesterday... http://identity.mozilla.com/post/78873831485/transitioning-persona-to-community-ownership
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aaronpk whaaaat
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 3 hours, 1 minute ago: no. this time is long gone
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aaronpk "Mozilla has reallocated Persona’s full-time developers to other projects"
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willnorris_ Yep
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aaronpk "Persona has received less adoption than we were hoping for by this point"
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KevinMarks I used it yesterday (via indieauth)
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aaronpk this is a good post https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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tantek I give Persona much better longterm community/organic survival chances than OpenID.
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tantek aaronpk, yeah a bunch of us discussed the Persona_AAR a few days (weeks?) ago - it's a good outline. And that reminds me I need to debate jernst/j12t in person about it - perhaps today!
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tantek !tell jernst,j12t let's discuss and your blog post about it in person today at IndieWebCampSF - I want to better understand some of the criticisms.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell jernst,j12t this it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi j12t: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: let's discuss and your blog post about it in person today at IndieWebCampSF - I want to better understand some of the criticisms.
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Loqi j12t: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: let's discuss and your blog post about it in person today at IndieWebCampSF - I want to better understand some of the criticisms.
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Loqi j12t: tantek left you a message 15 minutes ago: this it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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Loqi j12t: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: this it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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aaronpk !tell adambrault wow that's awesome! I just added it to my website here! https://aaronparecki.com/talk
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk, I'm getting a mixed SSL warning on that page
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aaronpk yeah I'm trying to track that down
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aaronpk oh! it's the signaling server url
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aaronpk darn that means I'm going to have to run my own over ssl
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aaronpk adambrault: I just used your sample code here! https://aaronparecki.com/talk
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aaronpk that was super easy
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adambrault aaronpk :)
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Loqi adambrault: aaronpk left you a message 5 minutes ago: wow that's awesome! I just added it to my website here! https://aaronparecki.com/talk
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adambrault yeah, you can run your own signaling server super easy.
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aaronpk if I do, then I'm not relying on any third parties for the video call, right?
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adambrault indeed
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aaronpk wild
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adambrault our super ambitious goal is to help federated webrtc be the main way people call each other in 5 years.
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willnorris_ aaronpk: knock knock
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tantek adambrault++
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aaronpk the thing I'm missing with this now is I need a push notification whenever someone visits that page, or like a "ping me" button they can click
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KevinMarks Right, but if you run your own signalling server it can ping your watch
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aaronpk ohhhh
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KevinMarks Can you record WebRTC?
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KevinMarks I just get a selfiecam on the page. Also doesn't work on Firefox android
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aaronpk oh that's cause i'm not in there
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adambrault https://www.webrtc-experiment.com/RecordRTC/
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aaronpk whoa
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bear I will be running an errand but will be back in an hour to hack on my own site - let me know if talky becomes available please
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aaronpk great! we'll be kicking off in 20 minutes
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KartikPrabhu alright! researching notes implementation now...
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aaronpk tantek has the talky laptop and he isn't here yet
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bear nods
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bear i'm eager to get my inbound webmentions and notes working for my static site - chewed over last night a least a dozen ways to do it and all of them ended up being deleted
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bear too complicated or too smelly or both
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bear errands
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caseorganic doing a call to japan this morning, will be down shortly
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caseorganic http://www.boston.com/
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caseorganic ignore - wrong channel
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@aaronpk Barely getting started with #IndieWebCamp Day 2, and already got two new things working... #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/2/indiewebcamp-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/442356127167033344)
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aaronpk check out the "See Original" link on my facebook copy! https://www.facebook.com/aaronpk/posts/10101329207269886
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aaronpk snarfed: my facebook feedback is now broken until you update bridgy :)
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@klintron My Saturday morning reading: @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp notes http://www.kevinmarks.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/442358649826983936)
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kylewm aaronpk: that "See Original" link is awesome
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kylewm want!
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KevinMarks_ !tell tantek where is the better tweet length estimation function from Falcon?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi tantek: KevinMarks_ left you a message 4 minutes ago: where is the better tweet length estimation function from Falcon?
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tantek Knock knock
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tantek It's in cassis KevinMarks
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KevinMarks_ wondering if I need to include all of cassis or can just take this fn
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michielbdejong what are the possible values of an rsvp, i've seen 'yes' and 'no' so far - should 'maybe' also be handled?
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KartikPrabhu just created a successful rudimentary note! on to presentation and bells+whistles post lunch
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KevinMarks_ looks like I need all of cassis or I need to deweird all tantek's PHP in JS code
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aaronpk hahaha
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michielbdejong ah, found it: "invited", "yes", "no", "maybe", "tracking" http://microformats.org/wiki/rsvp-brainstorming#h-entry_plus_additions
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: I'd be happy to talk about how to use cassis, i just started bringing it in to p3k
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KevinMarks_ it'll make my web app go from 50 lines of js to 1400...
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@dariusdunlap IndieWebCamp! http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twitter.com/_/status/442363981890473984)
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aaronpk bear: video link is back online! https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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@Johannes_Ernst ghettofabulous. What a word. #indiewebcamp http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=121 (twitter.com/_/status/442366163721273344)
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michielbdejong aaronpk: to me it looks like i'm the only one at https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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aaronpk michielbdejong: let me check
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aaronpk fixed!
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michielbdejong thx! perfect
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tantek finally got back in IRC
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barnabywalters good morning #indiewebcamp
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michielbdejong barnabywalters: hi
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michielbdejong is your sound on?
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barnabywalters michielbdejong: currently muted, I’m getting a really bad connection from SF
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michielbdejong barnabywalters: ok, i think i hear you typing though
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barnabywalters refreshed and now it’s just michielbdejong and myself in the room it seems
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barnabywalters ah yep I refreshed and forgot to mute again :)
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michielbdejong yeah, i get that all the time as well :)
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aaronpk trying to restart it
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michielbdejong thx
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aaronpk i think i have to switch to the other wifi
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pauloppenheim bear: i was literally just talking about getting webmentions working without anything else attached (no wordpress, etc)
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pauloppenheim bear: I am also a python dev
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aaronpk much better
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@wavis RT @iboxifoo: Photo opp #indieweb #indiewebcamp @ The Embassy Network http://instagram.com/p/lQ2ETkD7Pk/ (twitter.com/_/status/442370394373107712)
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caseorganic tantek: an approximation of what scott jenson said, "why do indieauth? it’s simple, but it’s the easiest way to become part of a movement, and this is a way of trying out a method of authentication"
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aaronpk lots of chatter here, apologies if it's hard to hear
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caseorganic jenson: i don't see "own your data" as the first part of the page
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@wavis RT @aallan: Interesting one, a “physical website” via #ble, http://instagram.com/p/lQMhn2JN8S/ from @scottjenson (via @ambercase). #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442370564791885824)
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caseorganic jenson:
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caseorganic "you know the steve krug don't make me think?" - jenson
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pauloppenheim bear: my interest is in being able to receive private messages without having to have a blog or anything else added to my site
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caseorganic jenson: "something like the indieweb is about taking back the web. 3 core values. own your data, create a community that posts on their website but also has the community aspects"
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caseorganic jenson: "i feel like we need to have the motivation foremost, and the execution second".
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tantek thank you caseorganic!
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barnabywalters wow, talky.io is making my fan start up. that never happens
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caseorganic !doing working on characters for an indieweb comic
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: can we tell each other what we're working on? [mass bikeshedding of how to do so] (twitter.com/_/status/442371836576534528)
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gasull I'll be working on building my own site (finally)
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willnorris I'll mainly be working on getting POSSE working on my site using javascript widgets (feeing back into my WordPress site, but most of the work should be portable to other platforms).
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aaronpk working on getting photos to post from instagram to your site using ownyourgram.com
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scottjenson Working on adding to my site: WebMentions/Bridgy + 'Notes"
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adambrault barnabywalters: webrtc can be very cpu intensive, with the load multiplying by each connected peer.
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scottjenson GiveBack(tm): working with Tantek on IndieWeb homepage 'attract text'
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dariusdunlap Setting up wordpress for POSSE. Then may integrate some stuff in my static site project or Python/Flask project. Also on the list is full SSL on my domain. Depending on which direction I go, I may have questions... :-)
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dariusdunlap I also will be hacking on descriptions, help, wikipages and such as I find useful stuff, incorrect instructions, or whatever.
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aaronpk barnabywalters: and michielbdejong: we have you guys on a bluetooth speaker on the table so we'll be able to hear you if you say something
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yay disembodied voices!
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michielbdejong ok thx! but have my mic muted. the rain is pretty loud here atm
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aaronpk cool thx
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@scottjenson Testing out my #indieweb webmentions code http://jenson.org/easyhard/ (twitter.com/_/status/442373157039525888)
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pauloppenheim project: Receive Webmentions using python on static site
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dariusdunlap Photo from Yesterday are up: http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/
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aaronpk here's the group photo I took http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/13012345474/
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caseorganic dariusdunlap++
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Loqi dariusdunlap has 1 karma
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caseorganic aaronpk++
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barnabywalters woah double vision
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caseorganic barnabywalters: i wish there were two of both of you
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@dangillmor Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twitter.com/_/status/442375457778827264)
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barnabywalters this is just getting silly now
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aaronpk weird what is it doing?
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aaronpk we've kinda saturated the wifi here
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barnabywalters there were three of everyone
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@schnarfed RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twitter.com/_/status/442376561166020608)
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barnabywalters my connection is really bad too
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@schnarfed @dangillmor congrats! glad you're here. welcome to the #indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/442376696193232896)
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aaronpk so many barnabys
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snarfed one of my favorite indiewebcamp tweets so far: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/442371836576534528
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: can we tell each other what we're working on? [mass bikeshedding of how to do so] (twitter.com/_/status/442371836576534528)
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aaronpk tehe
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442376696193232896 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@schnarfed @scottjenson love it! welcome to the #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/442378291425464320)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442377342212915201 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442376561166020608 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: hhmhmh (twitter.com/_/status/442379224364879874)
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KevinMarks_ of course that one worked, and the other test didn;t
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caseorganic will norris: "tantek, you have the uncanny ability to break rss readers"
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@autiomaa #indiewebcamp is developing new ways for websites (and people) to communicate http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention with each other. (twitter.com/_/status/442380504613257217)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/758056 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@niitamo Intressin MT @autiomaa: #indiewebcamp is developing new ways for websites (and people) to communicate with each other http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/442382122385285120)
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pdurbin KevinMarks_: we aren't telling each other what we're working on?
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bear it's nice weather here so *everyone* was out running errands
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caseorganic bear: nice
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caseorganic bear: i forget that "running errands" is an amazing excuse to go outside
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bear yes, it's one of the reasons I like doing the shopping and stuff - get's me out of my office
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bear michielbdejong was the talky session ok before I joined?
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aaronpk we've been getting double ups for a while
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michielbdejong bear: similar. i can hear about 50% of the words
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aaronpk i think it's because of the really bad wifi here
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bear yes - wifi is a huge source of issues for A/V over RTC
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snarfed pauloppenheim: http://voxpelli.com/2013/12/webmentions-for-static-pages/
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tantek is still catching up on logs!
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caseorganic dangillmor: hello!
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caseorganic !tell dangillmor: hello
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dangillmor greetings
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Loqi dangillmor: caseorganic left you a message 6 seconds ago: hello
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bear snarfed, pauloppenheim - I have a small python uwsgi app that does nothing but receive webmentions and then passes them to a handler if that is helpful
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bear I use it for my static site
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caseorganic ^^ if you use the !tell command you can send a message to someone not in the channel for when they get into the channel nexrt
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caseorganic next*
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pauloppenheim bear: have a link?
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@AlexSchleber RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twitter.com/_/status/442385317450887168)
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pauloppenheim i am aiming to make something very small that does nothing else
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bear pauloppenheim - https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu
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caseorganic dangillmor: http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/16/1/
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caseorganic dangillmor: that's a tweet about how people use favorites on twitter with 53 responses
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tantek welcome dangillmor!
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caseorganic dangillmor++
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Loqi dangillmor has 1 karma
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bear pauloppenheim - in the examples directory you will find basic_listener.py
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bear it uses the code that KartikPrabhu and I are working on to create a python helper toolkit
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pauloppenheim ahh
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KartikPrabhu bear: might be good to look into using mf2py to parse the mentions in ronkyuu
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pauloppenheim bear: i am interested in having these things, but having them ala carte
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bear KartikPrabhu - agreed
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bear pauloppenheim - me also - I'm working on splitting some of the non toolkit items (like the examples) out into small standalone python code that each does one thng and interacts via file / redis / xmpp
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bear my goal today was to make the webmention listener the first item
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pauloppenheim bear: i am doing that right now :)
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bear sweet
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caseorganic jenson: "i just got xray vision into the web!" "a bridgy mention "you were mentioned in caseorganic's blog on the web"
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snarfed lol, love it
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442385317450887168 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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aaronpk i should probably figure out the password to this @untied twitter account, people keep complaining about United Airlines and mentioning @untied instead
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Loqi I agree
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: lol!
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caseorganic "How many of you favorite tweets more than you comment on them? What does favoriting a tweet mean to you? " http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/16/1/
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caseorganic aaronpk: that's ridiculous. you should advertise free flights /jk
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scottjenson I'm here
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: now got accurate tweet counts thanks to @t's https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js and my js is 28× as big as it was before (twitter.com/_/status/442388343712919552)
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tantek kevinmarks - sorry about that, I keep it in "developer" coding mode with comments, whitespace etc. no minified #cassis.js yet
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aaronpk bear: we're going to shut off the video link cause it's probably eating bandwidth here
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bear aaronpk ok
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tantek for some reason the bandwidth from the video is much worse today
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aaronpk more people on computers today?
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tantek aaronpk - more people in the house?
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aaronpk less chatting today, more working?
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tantek caseorganic, I'm with you, put referral ads on @untied ;)
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aaronpk downloading github repos and such
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caseorganic tantek: ha
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bear it's fine - i'm also working on code :)
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michielbdejong so what's the current topic/session? just everybody working on stuff?
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tantek a bunch of hack sessions going on
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michielbdejong ok
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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aaronpk okcleaned this up a little... https://twitter.com/untied
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aaronpk weird non-sequitor
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bnvk aaronpk: what is that?
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Loqi that is active when i
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bnvk heh
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caseorganic scottjenson: example of a post with 50+ replies on my site through Bridgy. POSSE'd to Twitter from my site. http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/16/1/
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aaronpk bnvk: i registered the @untied twitter account in 2007 and never did anything with it. i've been getting people complaining about united airlines recently mentioning it.
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bnvk haha, nice!
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bnvk ahead of the curve, as usual ;)
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@aaronpk It's a strange feeling to see real content on a domain you used to own. Feels kind of like someone else... #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/3/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/442391151102791681)
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KartikPrabhu woohoo! Note testing: http://kartikprabhu.com/notes
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caseorganic willnorris: "that's the sound of a webmention"
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bear KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 5 karma
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caseorganic willnorris++
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dariusdunlap Evil Tantek... http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/i-RDzWk8K/0/M/DSC_3347-M.jpg
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bear oh my - can't have that...
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bear willnorris++
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Loqi dude
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Loqi 173759109/bot/internet
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KartikPrabhu eviltantek ++
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KartikPrabhu boo fail!
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KartikPrabhu eviltantek++
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Loqi eviltantek has 1 karma
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tantek willnorris++ ding!
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Loqi willnorris has 2 karma
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bear in my mind he is saying "1 beeeelllllioooon webmentions"
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bear willnorris++
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Loqi too much karma!
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bnvk whoa tantek with a beard, most curious
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michielbdejong aaronpk: can you seeing any incorrect rsvps coming in from me? source: 'https://michielbdejong.com/live/38',
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michielbdejong target: 'http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club'
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aaronpk well the wiki isn't displyaing webmentions yet
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aaronpk you could try on one of my posts
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aaronpk that looks right I think
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aaronpk michielbdejong: http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/01/29/1/homebrew-website-club
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caseorganic !meme is this thing on? [microphone]
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michielbdejong oh of course, right. thanks
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aaronpk aw no loqi memes here, I forgot
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michielbdejong confused the two
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KartikPrabhu is getting rid of clutter caused by RDFa schema markup
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caseorganic http://meme.loqi.me/4UxLMzuo.jpg
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk caseorganic++
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Loqi too much karma!
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aaronpk amazing
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KartikPrabhu haha
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bear me thinks that loqi is on strike
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aaronpk i think instagram is using pubsubhubbub
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caseorganic that sounds like an insult: instagram is being a real pubsubhubbub
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@curiousjohn #Decentralization FTW! "@dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying #IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://t.co/icidexWKBf" (twitter.com/_/status/442393560390696960)
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@t Amazing work already @IndieWebCamp SF hack day, e.g. @dangillmor added full POSSE roundtrip: http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (ttk.me t4Ux2) (twitter.com/_/status/442393568679051264)
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aaronpk ha
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caseorganic http://meme.loqi.me/4UxpP1Ju.jpg
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@MBUintelligence RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: now got accurate tweet counts thanks to @t's https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js and my js is 28× as big as it w… (twitter.com/_/status/442393872715747328)
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@jecolbe RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twitter.com/_/status/442394139414372352)
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aaronpk !!! you can subscribe to instagram for a specific tag and get all instagram photos tagged with something in realtime
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aaronpk I should subscribe to #indieweb and #indiewebcamp and spew them into the channel!
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Loqi fo sho
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aaronpk omg and lat/lng/radius
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk instagram++
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@caseorganic @dangillmor Welcome to the IndieWeb! It's great to have you here! (http://caseorganic.com/replies/2014/03/08/2/) (twitter.com/_/status/442394596337655808)
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@BarnabyWalters LOL #eviltantek is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time: #indieweb #indiewebcampsf cc @t (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UxLNr/) (twitter.com/_/status/442395049364832256)
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@dariusdunlap EvilTantek — http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/i-RDzWk8K/0/M/DSC_3347-M.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/442395536750964736)
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michielbdejong aaronpk: ah thx it worked now http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/01/29/1/homebrew-website-club i used the webmention box on the page, that's probably why i'm displayed differently than the others
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tantek.com edited /elsewhere (+73) "instagrid down for now" (view diff)
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aaronpk michielbdejong: the webmention form is just a browser form that sends the post request. Yours looks like it appears correctly!
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@curiousjohn Wishing I could be at #indiewebcampsf w/ @dangillmor @t @aaronpk @wavis @caseorganic @adambrault & more: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/442396041309323264)
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michielbdejong aaronpk: but why does my one have the full text and none of the other ones do
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aaronpk there is no full text for the others
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michielbdejong ah ok
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michielbdejong thx!
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tantek what was that tag aggregator site that we used to show all indieweb / indiewebcamp tweets, photos, etc.
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tantek ?
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tantek I can't seem to find it on the wiki :/
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aaronpk this? https://tagboard.com/indieweb
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tantek yeah!
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tantek now why isn't it linked from the wiki?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442394139414372352 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@aaronpk @brennannovak "untied.us" It was a Twitter clone I made in 2007: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/sets/72157633041808362/ (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/08/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/442395586172432384)
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@SavigentCTO RT @scottjenson: Testing out my #indieweb webmentions code http://jenson.org/easyhard/ (twitter.com/_/status/442397348237697024)
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kylewm can anyone point me to info on how to construct a facebook permalink from a post id?
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@INVISPIDE Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools | Dan Gillmor http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/?utm_content=bufferba994&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer via @t (twitter.com/_/status/442398839560216576)
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kylewm oh! I think I got it
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aaronpk it's facebook.com/postid or facebook.com/userid_postid
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aaronpk but some of the mdon't work
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aaronpk facebook.com/{userid}/posts/{postid} seems to work consistently
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barnabywalters acegiak: I shouldn’t complain about this because I do the same thing, but the lack of timezone for published datetimes in your feed is causing some weird results due to local times being interpreted as UTC
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barnabywalters e.g. http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.machinespirit.net%2F2014%2F03%2F08%2Finsert-title-here-goldenfleeces14-was-2000-years-ago%2F http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/
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KartikPrabhu is working on autolinking in notes.
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barnabywalters 2014-03-08T21:38:36+00:00 hasn’t happened yet :)
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barnabywalters is currently fixing lack of timezones on his own posts
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@dariusdunlap IndieWeb Camp post updated: http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twitter.com/_/status/442400886824779776)
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kylewm Thanks aaronpk, facebook.com/user_id/posts/post_id was what finally worked
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kylewm it seems to be different if the your post has a link in it or not
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aaronpk cool. yeah I was getting really inconsistent results with other urls
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aaronpk oh interesting
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@latrippi RT @t: Amazing work already @IndieWebCamp SF hack day, e.g. @dangillmor added full POSSE roundtrip: http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (ttk.me t4Ux2) (twitter.com/_/status/442402406727315456)
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@feedthegirl RT @dariusdunlap: IndieWeb Camp post updated: http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twitter.com/_/status/442402499941502976)
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barnabywalters Taproot is timezonified!
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aaronpk yay!
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@kevinmarks Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442403770576547840)
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@dariusdunlap Digging the IndieWeb… http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twitter.com/_/status/442404750231760896)
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@LloydDavis RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442405823135105024)
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@nchenga RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442405897156190209)
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dangillmor Well, not fully...but making progress.
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barnabywalters is the room with the comfortable-looking sofas and bookshelves the indiewebcampsf venue?
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tantek barnabywalters - it's the "couches" room
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tantek we've split into two hack areas
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barnabywalters tantek: cool, looks like a nice venue! I was confused because the guy on the left looks very much like André Luis from here
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tantek lunch is here (indiewebcampsf)
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pauloppenheim bear: there are too many deps in this example for me to use ronkyuu as-is, but i will patch what i have found so far
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@nchenga "Bridgy" http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/?utm_content=buffer36792&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/442406203956940801)
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bear pauloppenheim please do suggest/comment on what made it painful for you - we can adust
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pauloppenheim bear: for instance, i am using shared hosting which does not provide wsgi, so i must serve as CGI
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pauloppenheim i usually just use the wsgiref wrapper
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bear ah - yes - that is why I was removing basic_listener out of ronkyuu
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pauloppenheim bear: absolutely! i was hoping to contribute to something instead of starting from scratch
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pauloppenheim bear: i will make it work :)
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KartikPrabhu autolink works! http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/autolink-test-adding
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bear pauloppenheim cool - i've started another project that will only contain single .py apps for use with indieweb
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pauloppenheim bear: also I can't listen on any ports on my host
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pauloppenheim i will write another main() impl to use cgi wrapper
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bear pauloppenheim +1
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pauloppenheim bear: nice!
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pauloppenheim bear: it's lunch, i will bbiab
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bear k
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pauloppenheim bear: (sorry for slow progress, it's super distracting here)
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp hack day (@ The Embassy Network w/ @t @aaronpk) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F531b8921498e82e28f96bf3d (twitter.com/_/status/442409026631245824)
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bear pauloppenheim no worries at all - this is a marathon not a sprint - we have nothing but time and fun ahead
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@jordan_web IndieWebCamp by Dan Gillmor http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ Jetpack plugin for WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/442409699775107072)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: nice progress!
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KartikPrabhu thanks!
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KartikPrabhu just ralised that his autolinking code will try to autolink already autolinked links
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk welcome to autolink hell
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tantek nah - easy fix ;)
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tantek my autolinker doesn't have that problem :D
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KartikPrabhu waaaah how?
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tantek idempotency
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KartikPrabhu so you check if it is already markedup and then don't autolink it?
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barnabywalters didn’t tommorris post tantek’s cassis autolinker to python?
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barnabywalters or was that ruby
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tommorris no, ported it to Ruby.
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caseorganic.com created /barriers (+3947) "Added Barriers to Entry page and the concept of IndieWeb Generations" (view diff)
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tommorris should share the Ruby implementation really
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barnabywalters well it should be fairly easy to port it to python from ruby
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barnabywalters oh I thought you already had
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KartikPrabhu i don't know ruby but I can try a port if the Ruby code can be accessed
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@autiomaa Own your data. Publish content on your own site. Only optionally syndicate to 3rd party silos. http://indiewebcamp.com/?utm_content=bufferbbe36&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/autiomaa/status/442409442664259584/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/442409442664259584)
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@jjmajava @autiomaa Yes, #indieweb ftw! (twitter.com/_/status/442412470112903168)
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KartikPrabhu python autolink. found this: https://greaterdebater.com/blog/gabe/post/4
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KartikPrabhu and it works! :)
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KartikPrabhu is glad to be out of hell
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iboxifoo amazing lunch. thank you ben + indieweb
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tantek idno++
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Loqi idno has 1 karma
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tantek that's it?!?
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tantek Thanks to idno for sponsoring lunch today at IndieWebCampSF!
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caseorganic idno++
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willnorris thanks for lunch idno
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Loqi dude
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caseorganic !tell benwerd Thanks to you and Idno for lunch! It's delicious
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi yeah!
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bear idno ++
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bear idno++
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kylewm idno++
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kylewm :)
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KartikPrabhu too late caseorganic
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KartikPrabhu Loqi already ignored kylewm
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kylewm sorry Loqi
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_benwerd_indiewebcamp_lunch linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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@schnarfed .@benwerd sent us an amazing lunch at #IndieWebCamp SF day 2. Thank you Ben! We miss you! https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_benwerd_indiewebcamp_lunch https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/442415372583440384/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/442415372583440384)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb thank you @benwerd and @idno for lunch today (twitter.com/_/status/442415427499458560)
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kylewm philosophical question, what do you think of using twitter's embed code for retweets (e.g., http://kylewm.com/note/2014/5609)?
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KevinMarks_ so who has http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub implemented that I can post to from noterlive?
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barnabywalters kylewm: it’s okay, better if you add microformats. see also adactio’s post on the subject: http://adactio.com/journal/5698/
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: I do!
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/blob/master/controllers/auth.php
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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kylewm barnabywalters: thanks for pointing me to that post, definitely brings a good point. I am mostly not thrilled that it lets twitter track people on my site ... since one of my big goals is to not have any tracker-type-things
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barnabywalters kylewm: personally I’d say ditch twitter’s markup and scripts and write your own h-cite markup and styling
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barnabywalters that way it’s not tied to twitter in any way. reposting content is not exclusive to twitter
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kylewm barnabywalters, cool, I think I will head in that direction
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barnabywalters improved note editing UI: done. next up: favourite/mention/repost/comment icons
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kylewm snarfed: I might be missing something (I don't know submodules at all), but it can't seem to find the oauth_dropins tree on here https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial
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zztr full port list bash function:
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zztr full_port_list () { sort -un <(grep -v '^#' /usr/share/nmap/nmap-services |cut -s -f2 |cut -d/ -f1 |uniq) <(grep -v '^#' /etc/services |tr -s ' ' |cut -s -d' ' -f2 |cut -d/ -f1 |uniq)
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zztr }
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zztr assuming nmap installed, written for Fedora
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ new noterlive feature - autolinking thanks to cassis
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442421630879268865 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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pauloppenheim bear: ping - issued a pull request on github
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bear pauloppenheim - pong, reading
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bear pauloppenheim - merged - thanks!
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pauloppenheim bear: np, i'm onto the next thing :)
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bear \o/
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pauloppenheim bear: i will fix: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/log/webmentions/webmentions.log'
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bear yes, that is one of the many small things that was making me remove it from the lib
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@Johannes_Ernst @dangillmor is enthusiastic about #indieweb: http://t.co/Oq6N8jbPVQ... http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=123 (twitter.com/_/status/442429710610341888)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442429871604510721 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/2788841 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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KartikPrabhu better CSS for notes with avatar and all that jazz : http://kartikprabhu.com/notes Also keeping things responsive
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caseorganic OH: man, when you hook up POSSE you totally set up a shotgun
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@Editor_Page RT @t: Amazing work already @IndieWebCamp SF hack day, e.g. @dangillmor added full POSSE roundtrip: http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (ttk.me t4Ux2) (twitter.com/_/status/442433608822050816)
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pauloppenheim bear: is it sane to just remove the pathing and use pwd instead of /var/log?
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pauloppenheim bear: (i did that and it works)
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bear pauloppenheim - I am seconds away from posting the new version to bear/dainin project and removing it from ronkyuu
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bear so you may want to wait a couple minutes and see if how i'm doing it now works better for you
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pauloppenheim bear: what's the difference?
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pauloppenheim ahh
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pauloppenheim it's empty
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bear I made the logging optional and also cleaned up some "bear only" stuff
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bear ok, pushed to https://github.com/bear/dainin pauloppenheim
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pauloppenheim bear: well, i'm going to be using logging only, but i'm not sure the pythong logging module will make sense
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pauloppenheim bear: lemme see then
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bear thanks
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KartikPrabhu should learn to take screenshots to document progress
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snarfed1 aaronpk, the entire couch area votes for markdown on the wiki
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pauloppenheim bear: should dainin depend on ronkyuu, or is that not intentional?
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snarfed1 just fyi, top priority pls, kthxbye!!!
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snarfed1 :P
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bear pauloppenheim dainin uses ronkyuu to handle the webmention stuff
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bear so yes
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bear oh - I forgot to add it to requirements!
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pauloppenheim bear: is it necessary, or could it be standalone?
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bear necessary right now
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pauloppenheim bear: lemme dig
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aaronpk snarfed1: hahaha ok
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aaronpk i'm still nervous about breaking existing pages that may have colliding markup
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iboxifoo successfully posse'd from localhost (but deleted the tweet as linked to localhost)
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KartikPrabhu alright! must do others errands. Hope everyone had a good hack-day. As my progress, I setup notes posting here: http://kartikprabhu.com/notes next step would be webmentions, bridgy integration and POSSE. Thanks all!
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snarfed1 nice work KartikPrabhu, glad you joined us remotely!
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bear KartikPrabhu++ nicely done!
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bear pauloppenheim - fixed the problem by 1) adding requirements.txt to dainin and 2) adding ronkyuu to pypi
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pauloppenheim bear: do you mean for dainin to just be a webmention listener?
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@iboxifoo tweetin' n' deletin #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442438673993175040)
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bear pauloppenheim - right now that is all it is doing, but I want it to be the place where the non-static parts of indieweb will live
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bear like posting Notes or Articles, handling IndieAuth, etc
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pauloppenheim ok
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pauloppenheim bear: then what is ronkyuu?
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Loqi ronkyuu is definitely deserving of being added to http
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bear ronkyuu is a library that KartikPrabhu and myself are using to help parse indieweb items - like verifying webmentions, rel-me's etc
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pauloppenheim Loqi: >:-\
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pauloppenheim bear: ok. I think we might have different interests
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pauloppenheim I will whip up something quickly to show you what has been on my mind
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bear my thought is that it will be where html contaiing mf can be processed to handle webmentions, rel-me, and also in the future, to create objects that represent the mf on a page
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pauloppenheim bear: i am not necessarily interested in mf at this point
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pauloppenheim just having an endpoint
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bear ah
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bear then yea, you would want the listener to not include ronkyuu and have the handler pull it in as needed
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@notenoughneon Querying Microformats - further refinements: http://notenoughneon.com/p/20140308144000-querying-microformats-further-refinements #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/442440507352813569)
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@artwisanggeni ronkyuu 0.2.2: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.2 (twitter.com/_/status/442440778984337408)
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bear https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/index.html
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@willnorris wrapping up IndieWebCamp SF 2014 ... made a LOT of progress on my personal site this year https://willnorris.com/2014/03/indiewebcamp-2014 (twitter.com/_/status/442442729616723969)
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@pypi ronkyuu 0.2.2: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.2 (twitter.com/_/status/442444209350385664)
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acegiak barnabywalters: it was pointed out last night that using u-like-of and u-repost-of the way we discussed yesterday (eg http://acegiak.machinespirit.net/2014/03/08/subjective-eclectica-photo-10/) is problematic because u-* is meant to be for url properties
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bear http://www.a2hosting.com/kb/security/ssl/installing-a-third-party-ssl-certificate
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barnabywalters acegiak: the prefix doesn’t make any difference for property-nested microformats
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barnabywalters i.e. .u-in-reply-to.h-cite is parsed exactly the same as .p-in-reply-to.h-cite
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barnabywalters so there’s only a theoretical problem :)
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acegiak yeah fair enough
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barnabywalters finally managed to get some nice little mentions icons made, e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UcCe5/
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barnabywalters Sketch is such a great vector drawing app
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tantek.com created /communication (+3188) "draft with how, why, indieweb examples, brainstorming, mockups" (view diff)
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caseorganic Heading out for a moment but feedback wanted on this comic draft! https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xk01f9r8b11u5k/IndieComicIndieComic%20V2.pdf
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caseorganic not done yet, of course, but look and feel feedback = good
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scottjenson Here's my IndieWebCamp.org home page rework (just the intro, everything else is the same)
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scottjenson http://jenson.org/img/IndieWebCamp.png
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scottjenson Looking for general feedback and wording