#indiewebcamp 2014-03-07

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@kevinmarks “I tried to explain that things really do get built without secrets or budgets or hierarchies”@quinnnorton https://medium.com/quinn-norton/dbc0669aa9ca #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/441726983651606528)
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KevinMarks I can do an office supplies run, I live in suburbia and have a car
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snarfed thanks KevinMarks!
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aaronpk that would be fantastic
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snarfed we might also want to make a call on the two people who signed up for the single day waitlist
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@xtof_fr #indiewebcampSF is more than half full Remaining spots : 14 #frenchtech creators/builders welcome. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF/Guest_List (twitter.com/_/status/441739539506147328)
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KevinMarks2 I'm in the office supplies shop, what do we need?
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KevinMarks2 Markers, my name is badges, post its?
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: we need large format post it notes (for the unconference grid)
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aaronpk blue tape to make the grid?
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: yep! markers my name is badges and post its. that's it!
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: also if you want, little dot badges so we can display our indiemarks on our badges
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: star trek pip style
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caseorganic KevinMarks2++
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Loqi KevinMarks2 has 1 karma
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: YAY! thank you so much!
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Loqi :D
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KevinMarks2 Like coloured circles?
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aaronpk yeah! tiny ones that can go on the name badges
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snarfed aaronpk, caseorganic: i might head over your way in a bit to say hi. know where you'll be in 30-45m?
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aaronpk hooray! want to grab dinner?
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caseorganic snarfed: we'll likely be right here at the Bean There cafe!
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caseorganic snarfed: we can head to dinner with you from there
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snarfed sounds good!
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KevinMarks2 They have Justin Bieber duck tape o_O
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KevinMarks2 Also bacon and mustaches
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: BACON AND MUSTACHES
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: indiemark should be expressed in mustaches
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: i can only imagine a person fixing a duct with justin bieber tape, the only thing left in the van
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caseorganic KevinMarks2: up to join aaron and i for dinner tonight?
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KevinMarks2 I'm down in San Jose, hence the shopping
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aaronpk snarfed: still online? looks like we're meeting at Citrus Club for dinner!
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aaronpk yaaaayyyyy basic auth flow is now online
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@caseorganic First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp) (twitter.com/_/status/441751030535966720)
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Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@tilgovi RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/441751404021956608)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/15258949 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@ServiceSphere RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/441751880285188096)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/14099692 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/441751404021956608 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@mrgunn RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/441753678433632256)
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sparverius shit i didnt realize that IWC was all day friday. shiiiit.
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sparverius for some reason i was under the impression that it was friday night and all day saturday
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/15918206 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/441753678433632256 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@benwerd RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/441755747584462848)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/441751880285188096 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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aaronpk just emailed instagram to request access to post comments
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aaronpk we'll see how this goes
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KevinMarks2 Can they add url and rel me too?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/441755747584462848 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/823525 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@JavaScriptFest RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/441763854184230913)
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@mikeal RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/441763869317296128)
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KartikPrabhu uhoh IRC crash
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/441763869317296128 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/441763854184230913 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@michielbdejong RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/441768036924534785)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/441768036924534785 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/81225674 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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kevinmarks.com edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+0) "/* Official Guest List */ update numbers" (view diff)
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@notenoughneon Query microformats like XPath: http://notenoughneon.com/p/201403062000-query-microformats-like-xpath #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/441805369895952384)
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caseorganic !snarfed It'd be great to get the food at Embassy by 9:30am for when people start arriving!
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caseorganic !tell snarfed it would be great if food arrived by 9:30 for when people start arriving and getting settled in!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/415643 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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barnabywalters acegiak: heads-up: your homepage feed posts have empty names or summaries, so they look pretty bare in my feed reader! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.machinespirit.net%2F waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/
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cweiske so much for errors in h-feeds are much easier to spot than errors in atom feeds
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pauloppenheim oh shit, europeans are up and working, and i am still at the office
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pauloppenheim and indiewebcamp is tomorrow
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pauloppenheim hi guys
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barnabywalters morning pauloppenheim!
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pauloppenheim no no not yet please
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pauloppenheim i still need to sleep
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acegiak barnabywalters: ghanks for the heads up. ill look into it tonight
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pauloppenheim good morning to you, perhaps, barnabywalters :)
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barnabywalters in other news, I made a small improvement to intertubes, adding textarea and split-text blocks, e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/edit/
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barnabywalters turns out it’s easier to use decades-old text based abstractions rather than build a UI for dynamically adding and removing text boxes
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cweiske barnabywalters, is that your y!pipes clone?
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barnabywalters cweiske: yep!
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pauloppenheim oh that is awesome
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barnabywalters pauloppenheim: thanks! still a not-particularly-useful work in progress, but I’m learning a lot from it
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barnabywalters and also it’s a feed reader which is handy
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barnabywalters currently trying to speed it up a bit
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tommorris barnabywalters: great work recently on all sorts of stuff. :)
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barnabywalters tommorris: thanks!
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Loqi [mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_6 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_6 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_2_navigation (webmention)
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acegiak barnabywalters: added titles to my asides
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acegiak not sure what to do about summary
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acegiak cause asides for mine can be quite long because they're anytime I reblog something
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Jeena hm this was expected but still, now that I am working full-time since monday, I just didn't have and time for my own website at all.
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1JTAALCRD Morning campers
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kevinmarks Oh crap, I also left all the badges and pens and things at home
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kevinmarks As will
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kevinmarks As well as getting up an hour early
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benwerd Just a quick message to say: Good morning, IndieWebCampers! I hope you have a really fun, productive day. I'm sorry I can't be there, but can't wait to see the outcomes & hear about what you've built.
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kevinmarks Morning Ben
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benwerd Good morning
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kevinmarks I think my phone was trying to get me in your timezone
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tommorris ooh, it’s IWC in Americaland? Nice.
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tommorris greets San Franciscans from sunny London.
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kevinmarks greets Tom from pre-sunrise palo alto
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kevinmarks Oh well, I suppose this means I get time to have a huge breakfast at the Grove
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tommorris indieweb is all about giving you, the user, the power. THE POWER. ALL THE POWER. http://31.media.tumblr.com/65bb8ec3bd0b48e4a3c9f3754c92d749/tumblr_mt4so8yAyY1ssdhxio1_500.gif
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Loqi giggles
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Darius I'm leaving Pescadero shortly. Bringing markers, post-its, whatever else I think of.
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kevinmarks Thanks Darius, as I left those at home
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Darius I've got some mailing labels that can serve as name tags. 2" x 4"
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Loqi snarfed: caseorganic left you a message 8 hours, 39 minutes ago: it would be great if food arrived by 9:30 for when people start arriving and getting settled in!
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snarfed sure!
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@kevinmarks Pre #indiewebcamp breakfast (@ The Grove) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F5319e251498e6a04b45276f7 (twitter.com/_/status/441955033094291456)
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kevinmarks There is an office depot near me on 3rd so I can restock the post its etc then.
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Darius I was disconnected briefly while driving up the coast where are we with supplies?
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Darius I'm in halfway half-moon bay just heading over to 280 now. Many many opportunities to stop
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bnvk Darius: is your last name Monsef?
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Darius Dunlap
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bnvk ah, ok, thought you might be a guy I know
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kevinmarks Big post it's (for session descriptions) and tape for a grid are on my list of you have pens and name stickers
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Darius Big posted says in the easel pad
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aaronpk Giant easel pad would be <3
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aaronpk We forgot about that yesterday until we were talking about it over dinner
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Darius No problem then I'm on it let me know if there's anything else we need office supplies
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KevinMarks This office depot doesn't have mustache or bacon tape
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Darius Where are you Kevin I'm in my car coming to the mission
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tantek survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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tantek survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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tantek survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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KevinMarks I'm on 3rd and market, about to bike up to embassy
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willnorris anyone already at embassy? is it kosher to come by this early? (i'm a few blocks away)
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Darius Okay I was going to stop over here, near 101 ninth at the Office Depot here if we need anything
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Loqi willnorris: tantek left you a message on 2/27 at 3:20pm: so who in that indieweb WP plugin thread is actually posting those tweet replies from their own site, HMMMMMM?!? I.e. so really, how good is your plugin(s)? Can it POSSE threaded replies to Twitter? #throwingdown ;)
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tantek WTH. On my side sent those messages to IRC at 8:02, 8:05, 8:08. And Loqi has them all timestamped at 8:09.
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Loqi woot!
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tantek no Loqi, no woot!
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Loqi yay!
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Darius I'm at Office Depot. Do we still need big easel pads? what else?
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barnabywalters tommorris: seems like the image link on http://tommorris.org/posts/8836 is broken
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tantek wiillnorris, I'll try to get there as soon as I can. getting cleaned up post-run.
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aaronpk willnorris: i'm here now
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aaronpk feel free to come by!
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aaronpk i see kevinmarks arriving!
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tommorris barnabywalters: oh?
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tommorris barnabywalters: oh okay, I know what’s going on - Dropbox have made it harder to share the actual URL
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp (@ The Embassy Network) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F5319f37011d28aebaea09a5a (twitter.com/_/status/441973415529172992)
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tommorris will copy it over shortly
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KevinMarks any bike parking at sf embassy?
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aaronpk KevinMarks: not inside as far as I know
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Darius Last call for office supplies. Got a 30-sheet large Post-It easel pad. Already have lots of sharpies and regular post-its.
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aaronpk Darius: awesome perfect. kevin just arrived with name badges
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KevinMarks warning, the hills up to The Embassy are steep
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tantek kevinmarks, hah!
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@kyle_wm On the way to my first IndieWebCamp http://t.co/qf1Ee5YUlc. Think it will be super fun! (twitter.com/_/status/441979884487704576)
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Loqi [mention] http://kylewm.com/note/2014/5599 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF. (webmention)
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michielbdejong watching a movie until iwc-sf starts, i'll stay up to follow you guys from India :)
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tantek Wat
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aaronpk ?
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KevinMarks new idea: indiewebcam
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@kevinmarks @OddLetters @BiellaColeman @smc90 @sarahjeong I'm at indiewebcamp SF for the next 2 days, so I get to hang with hackers (twitter.com/_/status/441986884709797888)
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aaronpk anybody heading over who has an extra laptop? for remote video?
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aaronpk tantek maybe?
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tantek ok
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tantek bringing 2 laptops then
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tantek just caught me
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aaronpk awesome. i've got an external camera and mic for it
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aaronpk barnabywalters: michielbdejong: you guys want to tune into a livestream?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: that would be great! just heading home, I’ll tune in then
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aaronpk cool!
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michielbdejong great! "indiewebcam", i like it :)
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aaronpk indiewebcam is coming online as soon as tantek gets here :)
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aaronpk also for remote participants, the schedule grid is here and will be updated with etherpad URLs when we get it filled in http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF_Schedule
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michielbdejong thx!
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tantek Will be there in under 10. Have a thunderbolt video connector ready to go and I can plug my laptop in when I get there.
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willnorris inspired by caseorganic talking about Esri culture toward open source... "Open is not a four letter word"
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tantek Could someone archive the /indiewebcamp etherpad and set it up for today?
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tantek (On mobile)
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aaronpk sure
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tantek Here
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caseorganic scottjenson: WELCOME!
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/UK/Notes (+7668) "Created page with "Dump from etherpad. TODO: Categorize this better. --- Welcome to IndieWebCamp UK 2013! Home: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK Schedule Grid: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK/Sc..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk michielbdejong: barnabywalters: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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aaronpk it's webrtc so if you're on a restrictive network it may not work
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barnabywalters aaronpk: takk!
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caseorganic Indiewebcamp SF is starting! Remote participants: talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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KevinMarks hiya
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caseorganic https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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jden yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Loqi yay!
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caseorganic YAAAAAAYYYY
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caseorganic adambrault: hello!
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adambrault howdy!
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_6a68 o hai
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barnabywalters greetings all! can I be seen?
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dariusdunlap hai
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barnabywalters talky.io is a little vague about that small detail
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aaronpk barnabywalters: nope, can't see you, I see a black screen for you
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aaronpk do you see us?
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barnabywalters ah okay
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jden el oh el: "muting is only available in chrome"
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barnabywalters I’ll just use chrome, that was the problem before
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jden adambrault: fix this :)
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barnabywalters or, as it is now aliased, “that browser with flash”
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KevinMarks I see two people
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_6a68 i love the futuristic raygun join/leave sounds
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KevinMarks 3 people
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KevinMarks and a black screen
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jden now in chrome, muted
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barnabywalters hopefully I am no longer a blank screen
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adambrault yeah, it was a limitation of firefox at the time.
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barnabywalters will be in intermittently, making pizza
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_6a68 this is underwhelming
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_6a68 i'll be back in a bit
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aaronpk we're about to get started
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barnabywalters greetings fellow remote participants! who is who?
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adambrault we have some really great engineers currently working on taking talky.io, otalk.im, and simplewebrtc up a notch
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barnabywalters I am the long-haired teenager in the blank room
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iboxifoo hey folks
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barnabywalters adambrault: oh great, that’s good to know
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adambrault jden good to see you in here. :)
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michielbdejong now see two people and the black screen. i'm the person who looks like it's midnight here that's because i'm in India, and it really is midnight here :)
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_6a68 hey guys! i just rejoined
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_6a68 i've got a lot of hair and a painting behind me :-)
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barnabywalters michielbdejong: that would explain it!
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iboxifoo i'm running late. will be there in 20 mins or so
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barnabywalters talky.io could really benefit from a way to name your window
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jden adambrault: o/
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_6a68 it would also be nice to have a "ready to connect your webcam?" warning
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_6a68 aaronpk it'd be nice if the video output were connected to the webrtc stream
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_6a68 the call quality is surprisingly good :-)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: shows the the squarespace superbowl ad, with indiewebcamp logo instead of squarespace (twitter.com/_/status/442002027133296640)
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jden is there an etherpad or something to take notes / minutes?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up] (twitter.com/_/status/442002416159178752)
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@Johannes_Ernst At #IndieWebCamp San Francisco today. Great venue! http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=119 (twitter.com/_/status/442002533939032064)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: the difference between having your data disappear and being able to get it off is unknown and arbitrary (twitter.com/_/status/442002547734507522)
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bear waves to adambrault
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michielbdejong barnabywalters: bon appetit! :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: for example, AOL homesites, which was full of small personal sites, gave 2 weeks notice and didn't email anyone (twitter.com/_/status/442002711945687040)
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barnabywalters michielbdejong: thanks!
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barnabywalters it’s yesterday’s sourdough pizza
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bear is there a remote option for today?
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@theurv RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up] (twitter.com/_/status/442002867855958016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: once all these sites went away, people then noticed and freaked out. AOL closed comments (twitter.com/_/status/442002964895780864)
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barnabywalters bear: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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adambrault well, hi, bear :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: most of you made your own website and learned to play around with HTML then, but around 2003 this stopped (twitter.com/_/status/442003277551783936)
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bear adambrault - did not realize you were going to this today :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: social networks melded the experience of subscription to people with the posting interface, but within a silo (twitter.com/_/status/442003586692939776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: what we're here for is to take back the web as it was, where we own our own data and connect to each other (twitter.com/_/status/442003691563143168)
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_6a68 meeting, be back later :-)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a lot of us were at the Federated Social Web summit in 2010, big split between building and handwaving (twitter.com/_/status/442003889542676481)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: aaron and I wanted to focus on the people who built and created stuff, not the handwaving ratholes (twitter.com/_/status/442004049605697536)
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bear oh yea, I remember that whole auth discussion about webfinger and salmon and activity streams
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: the rathole I remember was webfinger integrated with Salmon slaps on a whiteboard for 2 hours without building it (twitter.com/_/status/442004215645618176)
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barnabywalters tantek’s turned into an experimental musical instrument!
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Loqi [@dangillmor] At #indiewebcamp in San Francisco
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Loqi where people are working to restore/save/enhance the open Internet (http://twtr.io/ir_kgYCm0Y)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we came up with indieweb for creators only, and on your own website (twitter.com/_/status/442004286026035202)
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caseorganic tantek: "if you're not actually living what you're creating - why should anyone else?"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we formalised this as "self-dogfooding" - if you're not using the code or protocol on your own site, why would anyone else? (twitter.com/_/status/442004465307361280)
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] #indieweb @t: we started in portland in 2011
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Loqi last year we had Brighton too, now SF, plans for Brighton, Barcelona and Paris (http://twtr.io/ir_ttbRU28)
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caseorganic remote participants: can you hear properly?
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] #indieweb @aaronpk: the first day is demos and unconference
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Loqi the second day is for building things (http://twtr.io/ir_wE3Ygt4)
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michielbdejong caseorganic: no
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barnabywalters caseorganic: people mutate into synths every now and again but other than that I can hear fine
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caseorganic who are the three remote participants? can you intro yourselves here in the channel?
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caseorganic barnabywalters: bear: and ...?
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jden I'm http://jden.us and I'm poking myself in the head
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barnabywalters michielbdejong is the person in the dark
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barnabywalters hi jden!
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KevinMarks crap, just hit refresh instead of tab and wiped my notes page
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michielbdejong ok, reconnected and now i can hear
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barnabywalters KevinMarks: sounds like a good pain point to fix this weekend ;)
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KevinMarks yeah
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barnabywalters ooh I love demos
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: if you're not on irc yet it's #indiewebcamp on http://t.co/927iewVRVS, instructions at http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (twitter.com/_/status/442005492710535169)
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Loqi [@autiomaa] RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we started in portland in 2011
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Loqi last year we had Brighton too, now SF, plans for Brighton, Barcelona and Paris (http://twtr.io/iraC0CbPfo)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: demo what you have made so far (twitter.com/_/status/442005597370982400)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: one thing I got working since last indiewebcamp is a somewhat responsive design on my homepage http://tantek.com (twitter.com/_/status/442005701737840640)
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@BarnabyWalters #indiewebcamp SF has kicked off! Drop into the live stream: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf or just… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UwJbV/ (twitter.com/_/status/442005891551080448)
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caseorganic jden: awesome! nice to see you!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the other thing I changed is the favicon to an icon so it puts your face on your homescreen http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (twitter.com/_/status/442006122426535936)
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@autiomaa RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up] (twitter.com/_/status/442006580989796352)
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bear can someone post links they are demoing into IRC ?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: let me show you haw you auth to your own site using your own site delegating via indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/442006631300472833)
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barnabywalters http://caseorganic.com/
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barnabywalters http://indieauth.com/
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barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: I just logged in using my domain name, redirecting via github (twitter.com/_/status/442006838222266370)
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@autiomaa RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: what we're here for is to take back the web as it was, where we own our own data and connect to eac… (twitter.com/_/status/442007111267282945)
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barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS
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jden apologies for weird motions on cam- i'm also meatspacing :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/442007282852057088)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates these back (twitter.com/_/status/442007819882332160)
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travisfw bridge.gy
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KevinMarks brid.gy
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@t @caseorganic is doing an awesome demonstration of POSSE @indiewebcamp SF! (ttk.me t4Uw1) (twitter.com/_/status/442007991421009921)
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barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/comments
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: barnaby responded directly from his site, from iceland and this shows up here (twitter.com/_/status/442008076951252993)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: now all the comments on other sites come back to your site (twitter.com/_/status/442008248707973120)
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@autiomaa RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://t.co/H… (twitter.com/_/status/442008318245343233)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: these ideas are all based on webmentions - brid.gy is sending webmentions for twitter and facebook (twitter.com/_/status/442008345063727104)
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barnabywalters github also closes issues in real-time
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bear github does that also
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barnabywalters it can be a bit flaky, but it usually works
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: aaron has implemented this in p3k, and the only other site that does this is facebook [also friendfeed] (twitter.com/_/status/442008662899716097)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: you can't get the live comment updates on twitter - we're out innovating the twitter silos (twitter.com/_/status/442008771905486848)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dangillmor: with a third party client like hootsuite, I can see replies (twitter.com/_/status/442008866130509824)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: You don't see that on an individual post on twitter, but we have this working (twitter.com/_/status/442008994253930496)
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@scottros Excited to spend the day at IndieWebCamp #indieweb with bunch of great developers/creators (twitter.com/_/status/442009015401197568)
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@kevinmarks @caseorganic wait, I'm using the #indieweb hashtag not #indiewebsf (twitter.com/_/status/442009091821420544)
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@autiomaa RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates the… (twitter.com/_/status/442009244771299328)
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] #indieweb @caseorganic: in order to work on a wiki you have to improve the content that is there
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Loqi this is like that (http://twtr.io/irbYjjLvFC)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: there are some things that haven't been fully solved - private notes are harder than public (twitter.com/_/status/442009442260103168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I want to have a discussion about private messaging as that build on indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/442009514196611072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I keep being asked "how can you compete with facebook with thousands of devs?" the answer is, we are (twitter.com/_/status/442009696967602176)
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://t.co/H… (twitter.com/_/status/442009808699686912)
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michielbdejong @aaronpk: i have private messaging implemented on https://michielbdejong.com/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email addresses (twitter.com/_/status/442009867243778048)
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@_jden RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email ad… (twitter.com/_/status/442009926970257408)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: when you buy a cell number you are renting it, and domain names are the same - you can move from host to host (twitter.com/_/status/442009971858112512)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twitter.com/_/status/442010160408846336)
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barnabywalters er, can you get p3k?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we're at the 1970s Apple I stage - you have to build it yourself but you can get the kit (twitter.com/_/status/442010261348966400)
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@myleejoseph RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twitter.com/_/status/442010410661605376)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: social silos are like that greek myth where once you eat from the table you are there forever eating at the table (twitter.com/_/status/442010466878238720)
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barnabywalters people “use” mail, but they don’t hack on it
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barnabywalters that’s an important distinction
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bear mail/smtp is a consumer tool now - not a creator/builder tool
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: mail has been largely abandoned by the hacker community - it's too hard to maintain a mailserver (twitter.com/_/status/442010802523213824)
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barnabywalters bear: so the question is, can we have something which is both?
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Loqi [@jf] RT @dangillmor: At #indiewebcamp in San Francisco
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Loqi where people are working to restore/save/enhance the open Internet (http://twtr.io/irc7QkEwmw)
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@autiomaa RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twitter.com/_/status/442010905338216448)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: the main idea is that it your own domain so you can move the thing behind it , (twitter.com/_/status/442010917421981696)
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bear barnabywalters yea, we need to move micro messaging into the builder tool and make it easy - ala XMPP that is easy to install and use
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jden devil's advocate: why do we trust IANA or local registries more than another domain?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dangillmor: I'm teaching a class, and one requirement is that they get their own domain. (twitter.com/_/status/442011019746234368)
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barnabywalters personal computers before mobile devices and unibody laptops were largely both consumer deceives and hackable devices
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tantek jden, devil's advocates never ship. ;)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: I was trying to explain this to someone, and the stages that you go through are hard (twitter.com/_/status/442011160079261696)
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bear the work we are doing at &yet will help bring xmpp to web hackers
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jden tantek: w/e. it's a worthwhile FAQ
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@tobypinder RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twitter.com/_/status/442011286126489600)
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tantek jden not if it's not practical
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tantek jden hypotheticals tend to be dilutionary
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dangillmor: I'm working on a new book which will include a chapter about this - say if you're on background (twitter.com/_/status/442011419903819776)
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jden it's practical in terms of articulating why having a domain is worthwhile as opposed to just using a twitter id as your main identity
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: what if I want to post from my phone, but don't have responsive UI? (twitter.com/_/status/442011632328507392)
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tantek jden, that's what /why answers
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: we should be able to post to our domains from each others' apps (twitter.com/_/status/442011740554158080)
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bear I have a vision of the indieweb hacker community being just like the early days of *nix - people create small tools that can be chained together by other folks to make an ecosystem
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tantek bear - except that we're UX focused.
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tantek big difference
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bear some of you are UX focused
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bear i'm definitely not :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: my demo is http://ownyourgram.com to see how to PESOS from instagram, as they don't have a posting API (twitter.com/_/status/442011970573971456)
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jden afk
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barnabywalters I completely think that the experience of using small tools chained together can be better than nasty monolithic apps by removing all the stupid problems they cause like having to import/export files between different types, etc.
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bear barnabywalters++
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caseorganic KevinMarks: island of the Lotus Eaters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus-eaters
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michielbdejong barnabywalters: i think expert users prefer smaller building blocks than non-techies
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: this site is requesting posting rights via OAuth, but authorization is separate from the token (twitter.com/_/status/442012453296431104)
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@Freerange_Inc RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email ad… (twitter.com/_/status/442012502843752448)
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@tomwiththeweath RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dangillmor: I'm teaching a class, and one requirement is that they get their own domain. (twitter.com/_/status/442012521323438080)
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caseorganic KevinMarks: "They started at once, and went about among the Lotus-eaters, who did them no hurt, but gave them to eat of the lotus, which was so delicious that those who ate of it left off caring about home, and did not even want to go back and say what had happened to them, but were for staying and munching lotus with the Lotus-eaters without thinking further of their return" - Odyssey IX
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: please don't all stomp on http://ownyourgram.com/ at once, it's still experimental (twitter.com/_/status/442012585744162816)
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caseorganic KevinMarks: Odyssey was one of my favorite books when I was little. So many good analogies in there
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity (twitter.com/_/status/442012850404728832)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: indieauth is like an email address but without the bit before the @ (twitter.com/_/status/442012932415975424)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: there are many ways you can show that you have editing control over your page - you can link back forth to twitter, G (twitter.com/_/status/442013117816770561)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: anything that has html and OAuth can be made to work. Facebook does this wrong by hiding the HTML in comments (twitter.com/_/status/442013320833273856)
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barnabywalters got to go, have a great time everyone! will be back tomorrow
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I have implemented SMS and email auth as well as OAUth. I want to get fax working but I don't have a fax machine (twitter.com/_/status/442013526891454464)
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@dangillmor comprehensive note-taking of #indiewebcamp by @kevinmarks, if you're interested.... (twitter.com/_/status/442013620558659586)
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michielbdejong oh, the sound quality just got a lot better now that there are only two remote lurkers instead of three
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: indieauth is sending me an SMS with a 4 digit code (twitter.com/_/status/442013695804440578)
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@silverton RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: we should be able to post to our domains from each others' apps (twitter.com/_/status/442013696945315840)
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@silverton RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity (twitter.com/_/status/442013754466000897)
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michielbdejong KartikPrabhu: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I was considering letting the indieauth page be asked for 2 factors and make the user click 2 (twitter.com/_/status/442014047710752768)
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tantek I'm taking notes here too: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: https://indieauth.com/ is one authorization sever - there can be many of these - it's not required to be centralised (twitter.com/_/status/442014218456666113)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: I've been experimenting with bluetooth LE chips that broadcast URLs that you can click on from your devices (twitter.com/_/status/442014700310908929)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: I'm intentionally making it very visible now, we can make it more discreet (twitter.com/_/status/442014854116036608)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: eventually we can put these on zipcars, bikes, museum exhibits easily (twitter.com/_/status/442014967555162112)
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bear what is the IoT url he mentioned?
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caseorganic scottjenson: could you put the public URLs for those Bluetooth LE chips into the channel?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: once we have bluetooth beaconing on your phones, we can broadcast our indieweb page URLs from our phones (twitter.com/_/status/442015063600553984)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: it's a bit like an invisible QR code that doesn't need cameras (twitter.com/_/status/442015357524787200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: I was wondering about making a messageboard you can access when you are in the area of The Embassy [ping @xeeliz] (twitter.com/_/status/442015592204492800)
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bear scottjenson - can you paste the URLs you mentioned here?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: with twitter comments, I extract their real URL instead of twitter links (twitter.com/_/status/442016338601857024)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: look at the comments on https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend and twitter accounts will have real URLs (twitter.com/_/status/442016453970378752)
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caseorganic re snarfed: "the user visible interface should be your website"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I'm OK with twitter run things behind the scenes - but we can prefer URLs to twitter handles (twitter.com/_/status/442016613618176003)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: the silos do a lot of hard stuff doing massively distributed scalable stuff. we can use them for that (twitter.com/_/status/442016742303629312)
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scottjenson sorry, the urls are just dummy web pages that point to internal google pages, nothing really worth looking at
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bear scottjenson - ah, ok
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: with twitter comments, I extract their real URL instead of twitter links (twitter.com/_/status/442016976102506497)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: look at the comments on https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend and twitter accounts will have real URLs (twitter.com/_/status/442016986907037696)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: when Tim BL designed http, URLs and HTML he didn't make them only work with each other, they interoperated with existing tech (twitter.com/_/status/442017007001935872)
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caseorganic bear: jenson.org/iot/3
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/6092342 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: it makes a nice slogan "damn the man, fight the silos" but they are handy as plumbing (twitter.com/_/status/442017139630039041)
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caseorganic "using the silos to bootstrap the indieweb makes a lot of sense -tantek
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @willnorris: this is something I needed for my site which runs on wordpress. I have a love/hate relationship with jetpack (twitter.com/_/status/442017336355459073)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @willnorris: I like jetpacks Photon API that does image mirroring and crawling, but only works with their plugin (twitter.com/_/status/442017528433623040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @willnorris: so I made my own version of the Photon image API with things that work better for me - mine is all https (twitter.com/_/status/442017681789968384)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @willnorris: they don't support https properly, and use URL query params for resizing which don't cache well, so I made it paths (twitter.com/_/status/442017845132931073)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @willnorris: it lets me resize and flip images and cache the URLs well on my own domain (twitter.com/_/status/442018060732739584)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything (twitter.com/_/status/442018152399249408)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @willnorris: Amazon announced that CloudFront CDN supports SNI so you can do https broadly for free (twitter.com/_/status/442018301280272384)
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@FinsUpDNC When you are the only one tweeting an event, and the only user using a hashtag...stop @kevinmarks #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/442018397912850432)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I did the all SSL thing a few months ago, and it takes a few hours but is worth it (twitter.com/_/status/442018409086455808)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I work on a thing that is box you plug into your network at home except it runs a webserver in your house (twitter.com/_/status/442018705883807744)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I have bunch of apps running on my server in the house - own wordpress, our own calendar, not google calendar (twitter.com/_/status/442018863161810945)
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@Alheri RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: when Tim BL designed http, URLs and HTML he didn't make them only work with each other, they interoperated wi… (twitter.com/_/status/442018893650198528)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twitter.com/_/status/442018948331360256)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: indiebox provisions databases, configs firewalls it's just one command to install (twitter.com/_/status/442019042401206273)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to start a kickstarter project that will deliver 1000 indieboxes that get automated update (twitter.com/_/status/442019152124203008)
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@wavis RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twitter.com/_/status/442019430499758080)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: i've been running this at home since christmas, haven't lost any data yet. In the longer term I'll add an apps (twitter.com/_/status/442019516592455680)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to add a way fro people with indieboxes to install your apps too (twitter.com/_/status/442019582321360896)
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I work on a thing that is box you plug into your network at home except it runs a webserver in y… (twitter.com/_/status/442019680488660992)
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Little Brother that got me to use https for everything (twitter.com/_/status/442020135487164416)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: i finally got a guy from comcast legal, and he said I can do any webserving as long as it is not commercial (twitter.com/_/status/442020232245567489)
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@aaronpk IndieWebCamp SF introductions at the Embassy! http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/indiewebcamp-sf-20140307-113211.png #indieweb (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/07/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/442020305637101568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one thing I want to do is VPN, and thus we can then talk to each other over indiebox (twitter.com/_/status/442020375183241216)
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caseorganic aaronpk++ for photo
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one of the scars I carry form OpenID is that we could never get people to upgrade their code at once (twitter.com/_/status/442020498143469569)
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Loqi aaronpk has 387 karma
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@aaronpk @FinsUpDNC Join us in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel on freenode. Tweets and other chatter are livestreaming there! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/07/1/indiewebcamp) (twitter.com/_/status/442020596671459328)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: companies don't write ToS and follow to the letter, they use them as an enforcement mechanism (twitter.com/_/status/442020611037339648)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: most of the things we want to do the isp's don't care about so we have to establish norms now (twitter.com/_/status/442020753576579073)
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@FinsUpDNC RT @aaronpk: @FinsUpDNC Join us in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel on freenode. Tweets and other chatter are livestreaming there! (http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/442020764712452096)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: in a few years it will be chromecast sized devices that do this (twitter.com/_/status/442020901002166272)
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michielbdejong could IndieBox run on a (rooted) off-the-shelf android device?
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@doctorow RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything (twitter.com/_/status/442021191684214784)
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@JaspersBoy RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything (twitter.com/_/status/442021317127442434)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: demoing http://noterlive.com for the gang (twitter.com/_/status/442021323725107200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: micropub is the inverse of microformats - instead of consuming the data on the page, you can use an app to create a post (twitter.com/_/status/442022212141592576)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: micropub is s replacement for atompub and the metaweblog API, but much simpler http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (twitter.com/_/status/442022419512193024)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twitter.com/_/status/442022571920216064)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: one of the things we've being working on is meshing web with xmpp (twitter.com/_/status/442022741043339266)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one of the scars I carry form OpenID is that we could never get people to upgrade their code at … (twitter.com/_/status/442022784328159233)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC (twitter.com/_/status/442022921624899584)
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@AlexSchleber RT @dangillmor: comprehensive note-taking of #indiewebcamp by @kevinmarks, if you're interested.... (twitter.com/_/status/442022925260976128)
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caseorganic talky.io
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bear yea, sorry @adambrault - otalk.im auth is broken hard and I can't get it back running
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: we have a few tools, for example talky.io lets you do a videoconference over WebRTC (twitter.com/_/status/442023079871778817)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: we also have http:/// which makes it easy to add your WebRTC to your page (twitter.com/_/status/442023168782635008)
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity (twitter.com/_/status/442023171185594368)
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@delfinof RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC (twitter.com/_/status/442023200994889730)
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: indieauth is like an email address but without the bit before the @ (twitter.com/_/status/442023213174751233)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: what we want to do is make it possible to run chat and videochat from your own domain (twitter.com/_/status/442023267399122944)
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: there are many ways you can show that you have editing control over your page - you can link back forth… (twitter.com/_/status/442023279553822720)
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@indieboxproject RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twitter.com/_/status/442023401180258305)
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: micropub is s replacement for atompub and the metaweblog API, but much simpler http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (twitter.com/_/status/442023413738393600)
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bear caseorganic - send my apologies - otalk auth is dead and I am suffering from demo gremlins :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: otalk.im lets you sign in with jabber and build a chat http:///andyet/otalk (twitter.com/_/status/442023486345973762)
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michielbdejong i want a "Call me!" button on my site, that is active when i'm online
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: you can make these calls now on android because they have WebRTC, but we have to make tools for iOS 'cos they don't (twitter.com/_/status/442023636061663232)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adambrault: it's a lot of work in progress, but we have a lot of usable tools for hacking on now (twitter.com/_/status/442023752638136320)
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caseorganic michielbdejong: Yes! aaronpk and I discussed doing this, as well as routing to your preferred method of contact based on what you were doing. driving, biking, walking, etc. an answering machine or response that would come back and say "aaronpk is driving right now and will get in touch with you in a moment"
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: it makes a nice slogan "damn the man, fight the silos" but they are handy as plumbing (twitter.com/_/status/442024290678874112)
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@AlexSchleber RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: the silos do a lot of hard stuff doing massively distributed scalable stuff. we can use them for that (twitter.com/_/status/442024314129231872)
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michielbdejong yeah, it can automatically detect if i have a browser window open, logged in as myself, and then it would be like receiving a call through skype. i'll have a look at simplewebrtc, definitely!
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michielbdejong and when i close my laptop it could revert to an answer phone, etc, definitely
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caseorganic michielbdejong: perfect
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caseorganic michielbdejong: have you made that into a wiki page? it would be a great one
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michielbdejong i'll try to build it first! maybe a nice thing for me to work on today/tonight
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I want to do a session on indiecoms - how we contact each other without getting lost in tools (twitter.com/_/status/442025106999902208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @caseorganic: I want to make a comic to explain indieweb to people and get them started (twitter.com/_/status/442025238055112704)
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michielbdejong +1
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michielbdejong "from 10 to 1 billion"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to do a conversation "from 10 to 10 billion" - how we change the whole web to be indie (twitter.com/_/status/442025701458587648)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I want to do a talk on apps for the indieweb - how micropub can be a basis for apps (twitter.com/_/status/442026128736518144)
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bear ACL levels for indieauth? oh please count me in for that
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottjenson: I'd like to have a wordpress therapy session- I'm fighting it constantly. I'm hoping to get tips (twitter.com/_/status/442027010500857856)
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caseorganic bear: ok! bug aaronpk and he will open up a talky.io channel to you for that session
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bear can they post the board (or a good photo) to the wiki
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I've been running into a problem with non-cash payments - google wallet, paypal, square - how do we do this easily 'pay' verb (twitter.com/_/status/442027494754250752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: no-one has yet asked me to pay by bitcoin or even dogecoin (twitter.com/_/status/442027631975071744)
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michielbdejong ok :)
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@autiomaa RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC (twitter.com/_/status/442028220096217089)
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michielbdejong bear where do you want the webcam to go?
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scottjenson https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-start
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caseorganic ^^^ etherpad for #start session
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@kevinmarks Notes from #indiewebcampsf Demos and intros are up at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsfdemos.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442029724114501634)
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bear michielbdejong I actually need to break for lunch right now - so where it is is fine
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michielbdejong i would like to see the 'comms' session if possible
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bear michielbdejong +1 to move it to comms
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michielbdejong ah ok, thx!
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bear i'll be back in like 40 minutes
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@gcarothers RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I want to make a comic to explain indieweb to people and get them started (twitter.com/_/status/442030402165673984)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: Notes from #indiewebcampsf Demos and intros are up at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsfdemos.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442030499499085825)
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caseorganic if you're in the #start session add to the etherpad! https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-start
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tantek adambrault - please add yourself! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF/Guest_List :)
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adambrault working on it! mistakenly thought that logging in added me to the guest list. :)
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tantek non-SF folks: indiecomms etherpad: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indiecomms
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi woot
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@top_webtech Top popular tags webtech: 1^ #SXSW 2^ #indieweb 3^ #SxSWi 4^ #Tech 5^ #iwd2014 http://webtech.twirus.com (twitter.com/_/status/442032719959425024)
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@kevinmarks #indiecomms @t: I keep the to-do list for my site code Falcon on http://indiewebcamp.com/falcon so it's public domain (twitter.com/_/status/442032797428244480)
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michielbdejong tantek: is the webcam still working? i lost the signal
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aaronpk it's up, maybe it froze?
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michielbdejong hm
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michielbdejong i'll try restarting
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aaronpk i just restarted it here too and switched over to the other network since we're on the other side of the house
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@kevinmarks #indiecomms @t: I might want to be contacted by random people on AIM, but if you indieauth in, it will show you more options (twitter.com/_/status/442036554023067648)
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@kevinmarks #indiecomms @schnarfed: the way we do ACLs now is someone else logs in with indieauth, which is a huge ask (twitter.com/_/status/442036753470595072)
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adambrault github.com/andyet/signalmaster
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adambrault this is the signaling server that talky.io uses
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adambrault this is *not* server to server federation, however.
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aaronpk adambrault: is that possible to do over just HTTP, or is the bidirectional communication of socket.io important?
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adambrault the websocket bit is necessary, yes.
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adambrault (afaik)
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michielbdejong afaik the visitor could talk http to your server if they are the call initiator.
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michielbdejong but if you're waiting available to receive calls then you either need to have a WebSocket open, or be longpolling your server
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tantek hi I'm here in IRC
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aaronpk wiki is coming back... sorry guys
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KevinMarks irc://irc.freenode.net/tantek,isnick
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aaronpk wiki is back
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michielbdejong !tell adambrault how can i tell simplewebrtc.js to use my signalmaster instance?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@_pablo IndieAuth - Sign in with your domain name https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/442049083130122240)
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michielbdejong !tell adambrault ok, found the 'url' config option. https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html now only warns that :8888 runs http instead of https
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michielbdejong can signalmaster be made to run https?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@aallan Interesting one, a “physical website” via #ble, http://instagram.com/p/lQMhn2JN8S/ from @scottjenson (via @ambercase). #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/442049796107665408)
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michielbdejong caseorganic: implemented a draft version of the 'Call me' button we talked about earlier. it defaults to 'Leave a message', but becomes 'Start video call' if exactly 1 person is connected to https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html
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michielbdejong unfortunately it currently only works in chrome (and there it has a warning), because of mixed http/https content policy
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michielbdejong and i still have to set up a special password which only i have, so that only i can be the first person to enter the room
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michielbdejong working on that now
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michielbdejong you can see it on https://michielbdejong.com/ - please excuse the clunky css :)
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp lunch (@ Alamo Square) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F531a41b9498e779c4727d543 (twitter.com/_/status/442057475890900993)
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michielbdejong ok, going to get some sleep, it's 3:30am here :) see you guys tomorrow!
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bear !tell michielbdejong the signalmaster devs are telling me that it should be able to run under https
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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scottjenson Everyone still at lunch in the park. Starting back in ~30
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@iboxifoo Lunch #indieweb #indiewebcamp @ Alamo Square http://instagram.com/p/lQhbbZj7CQ/ (twitter.com/_/status/442064289315430400)
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caseorganic indiewebcamp comic session about to start: take notes here! https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-comic
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benwerd (organizers: confirming Palmyra lunch delivered tomorrow via Zesty UNLESS someone pings me to tell me no)
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aaronpk benwerd: yes great!
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benwerd +1
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aaronpk we put lunch at 12pm on the schedule for tomorrow, but any time between 12-1 is fine
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benwerd ok - it might be closer to 1 but I'll try and drive them down to 12
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aaronpk no worries, tomorrow is more flexible since there aren't scheduled backtoback sessions
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bear if people are interested in exploring otalk.im contact me for the demo user identity
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bear I don't want to post it to IRC as it is logged
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caseorganic https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-comic
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benwerd re: breakfast, I may need to send someone money, because getting that delivered turns out to be harder
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benwerd 15 people sound right?
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aaronpk i think it's more like 20 now actually
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benwerd ok
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benwerd will order for 20
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp (@ The Embassy Network) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/531a51f5498eb2b09e72c8f0?s=tNmRprIpPmILc6M4wqQeB7bYru0&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/442074924212297728)
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@kevinmarks #indiecomic @caseorganic: there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that (twitter.com/_/status/442076303106535424)
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks: #indiecomic @caseorganic: there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that (twitter.com/_/status/442076940439412737)
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KevinMarks_ @caseorganic: http://imgur.com/eWjDz
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dariusdunlap How to make Wordpress use SSL: http://codex.wordpress.org/Administration_Over_SSL
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bear can someone refresh the talky.io laptop
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aaronpk yup
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bear thank you sir
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aaronpk https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indiepriv
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@kevinmarks #indiesilos @schnarfed: brid,gy will talk indieweb stuff - if you markup your post with microformats as a like, it can post back to FB (twitter.com/_/status/442083544417193984)
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@kevinmarks #indiesilos @schnarfed: the 2 things are microformats to mark up your content for structure and webmention to tell another site about it (twitter.com/_/status/442083850442002432)
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aaronpk pauloppenheim: http://aaronparecki.com/messages/2014/03/07/1/
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@kevinmarks #indiesilos @schnarfed: securing login is fundamentally hard - the great idea of IndieAuth is to use the big companies' hard work for that (twitter.com/_/status/442085499420033024)
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aaronpk here is the private message: http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/pm-example-20140307-155310.png
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aaronpk here is the source I wrote: http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/pm-example-source-20140307-155357.png
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