#indiewebcamp 2014-03-07

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@kevinmarks
“I tried to explain that things really do get built without secrets or budgets or hierarchies”@quinnnorton https://medium.com/quinn-norton/dbc0669aa9ca #indieweb
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KevinMarks
I can do an office supplies run, I live in suburbia and have a car
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snarfed
thanks KevinMarks!
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aaronpk
that would be fantastic
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snarfed
we might also want to make a call on the two people who signed up for the single day waitlist
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@xtof_fr
#indiewebcampSF is more than half full Remaining spots : 14 #frenchtech creators/builders welcome. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF/Guest_List
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KevinMarks2
I'm in the office supplies shop, what do we need?
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KevinMarks2
Markers, my name is badges, post its?
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: we need large format post it notes (for the unconference grid)
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aaronpk
blue tape to make the grid?
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: yep! markers my name is badges and post its. that's it!
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: also if you want, little dot badges so we can display our indiemarks on our badges
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: star trek pip style
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2++
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Loqi
KevinMarks2 has 1 karma
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: YAY! thank you so much!
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KevinMarks2
Like coloured circles?
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aaronpk
yeah! tiny ones that can go on the name badges
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snarfed
aaronpk, caseorganic: i might head over your way in a bit to say hi. know where you'll be in 30-45m?
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aaronpk
hooray! want to grab dinner?
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caseorganic
snarfed: we'll likely be right here at the Bean There cafe!
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caseorganic
snarfed: we can head to dinner with you from there
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snarfed
sounds good!
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KevinMarks2
They have Justin Bieber duck tape o_O
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KevinMarks2
Also bacon and mustaches
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: BACON AND MUSTACHES
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: indiemark should be expressed in mustaches
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: i can only imagine a person fixing a duct with justin bieber tape, the only thing left in the van
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caseorganic
KevinMarks2: up to join aaron and i for dinner tonight?
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KevinMarks2
I'm down in San Jose, hence the shopping
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aaronpk
snarfed: still online? looks like we're meeting at Citrus Club for dinner!
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aaronpk
yaaaayyyyy basic auth flow is now online
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@caseorganic
First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/03/06/1/indiewebcamp)
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@tilgovi
RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.…
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@ServiceSphere
RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.…
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@mrgunn
RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.…
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smus.com
edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+250) "/* Creators */"
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sparverius
shit i didnt realize that IWC was all day friday. shiiiit.
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sparverius
for some reason i was under the impression that it was friday night and all day saturday
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@benwerd
RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.…
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aaronpk
just emailed instagram to request access to post comments
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aaronpk
we'll see how this goes
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KevinMarks2
Can they add url and rel me too?
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@JavaScriptFest
RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.…
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@mikeal
RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.…
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KartikPrabhu
uhoh IRC crash
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@michielbdejong
RT @caseorganic: First ever #indiewebcamp San Francisco is Fri+Sat this week at Embassy Network! Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (http://t.…
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kylewm.com
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kevinmarks.com
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tantek.com
edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+0) "/* Official Guest List */ personal regrets from Brett"
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caseorganic
!snarfed It'd be great to get the food at Embassy by 9:30am for when people start arriving!
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caseorganic
!tell snarfed it would be great if food arrived by 9:30 for when people start arriving and getting settled in!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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barnabywalters
acegiak: heads-up: your homepage feed posts have empty names or summaries, so they look pretty bare in my feed reader! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.machinespirit.net%2F waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/
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cweiske
so much for errors in h-feeds are much easier to spot than errors in atom feeds
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pauloppenheim
oh shit, europeans are up and working, and i am still at the office
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pauloppenheim
and indiewebcamp is tomorrow
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barnabywalters
morning pauloppenheim!
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pauloppenheim
no no not yet please
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pauloppenheim
i still need to sleep
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acegiak
barnabywalters: ghanks for the heads up. ill look into it tonight
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pauloppenheim
good morning to you, perhaps, barnabywalters :)
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barnabywalters
in other news, I made a small improvement to intertubes, adding textarea and split-text blocks, e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/edit/
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barnabywalters
turns out it’s easier to use decades-old text based abstractions rather than build a UI for dynamically adding and removing text boxes
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cweiske
barnabywalters, is that your y!pipes clone?
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barnabywalters
cweiske: yep!
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pauloppenheim
oh that is awesome
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barnabywalters
pauloppenheim: thanks! still a not-particularly-useful work in progress, but I’m learning a lot from it
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barnabywalters
and also it’s a feed reader which is handy
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barnabywalters
currently trying to speed it up a bit
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tommorris
barnabywalters: great work recently on all sorts of stuff. :)
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barnabywalters
tommorris: thanks!
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acegiak
barnabywalters: added titles to my asides
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acegiak
not sure what to do about summary
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acegiak
cause asides for mine can be quite long because they're anytime I reblog something
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Jeena
hm this was expected but still, now that I am working full-time since monday, I just didn't have and time for my own website at all.
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1JTAALCRD
Morning campers
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kevinmarks
Oh crap, I also left all the badges and pens and things at home
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kevinmarks
As well as getting up an hour early
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benwerd
Just a quick message to say: Good morning, IndieWebCampers! I hope you have a really fun, productive day. I'm sorry I can't be there, but can't wait to see the outcomes & hear about what you've built.
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kevinmarks
Morning Ben
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benwerd
Good morning
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kevinmarks
I think my phone was trying to get me in your timezone
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tommorris
ooh, it’s IWC in Americaland? Nice.
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tommorris
greets San Franciscans from sunny London.
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kevinmarks
greets Tom from pre-sunrise palo alto
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kevinmarks
Oh well, I suppose this means I get time to have a huge breakfast at the Grove
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tommorris.org
edited /2014/SF (+52) "/* Questions for Organizers */ what's really going to happen"
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tommorris
indieweb is all about giving you, the user, the power. THE POWER. ALL THE POWER. http://31.media.tumblr.com/65bb8ec3bd0b48e4a3c9f3754c92d749/tumblr_mt4so8yAyY1ssdhxio1_500.gif
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Loqi
giggles
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Darius
I'm leaving Pescadero shortly. Bringing markers, post-its, whatever else I think of.
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kevinmarks.com
edited /2014/SF (+32) "/* Organizers */"
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kevinmarks
Thanks Darius, as I left those at home
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Darius
I've got some mailing labels that can serve as name tags. 2" x 4"
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Loqi
snarfed: caseorganic left you a message 8 hours, 39 minutes ago: it would be great if food arrived by 9:30 for when people start arriving and getting settled in!
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kevinmarks
There is an office depot near me on 3rd so I can restock the post its etc then.
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Darius
I was disconnected briefly while driving up the coast where are we with supplies?
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Darius
I'm in halfway half-moon bay just heading over to 280 now. Many many opportunities to stop
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bnvk
Darius: is your last name Monsef?
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Darius
Dunlap
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bnvk
ah, ok, thought you might be a guy I know
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kevinmarks
Big post it's (for session descriptions) and tape for a grid are on my list of you have pens and name stickers
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Darius
Big posted says in the easel pad
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aaronpk
Giant easel pad would be <3
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aaronpk
We forgot about that yesterday until we were talking about it over dinner
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Darius
No problem then I'm on it let me know if there's anything else we need office supplies
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KevinMarks
This office depot doesn't have mustache or bacon tape
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Darius
Where are you Kevin I'm in my car coming to the mission
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tantek
survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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tantek
survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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tantek
survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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KevinMarks
I'm on 3rd and market, about to bike up to embassy
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willnorris
anyone already at embassy? is it kosher to come by this early? (i'm a few blocks away)
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Darius
Okay I was going to stop over here, near 101 ninth at the Office Depot here if we need anything
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Loqi
willnorris: tantek left you a message on 2/27 at 3:20pm: so who in that indieweb WP plugin thread is actually posting those tweet replies from their own site, HMMMMMM?!? I.e. so really, how good is your plugin(s)? Can it POSSE threaded replies to Twitter? #throwingdown ;)
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tantek
WTH. On my side sent those messages to IRC at 8:02, 8:05, 8:08. And Loqi has them all timestamped at 8:09.
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Loqi
woot!
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tantek
no Loqi, no woot!
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Loqi
yay!
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Darius
I'm at Office Depot. Do we still need big easel pads? what else?
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barnabywalters
tommorris: seems like the image link on http://tommorris.org/posts/8836 is broken
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tantek
wiillnorris, I'll try to get there as soon as I can. getting cleaned up post-run.
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aaronpk
willnorris: i'm here now
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aaronpk
feel free to come by!
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aaronpk
i see kevinmarks arriving!
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tommorris
barnabywalters: oh?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: oh okay, I know what’s going on - Dropbox have made it harder to share the actual URL
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tommorris
will copy it over shortly
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KevinMarks
any bike parking at sf embassy?
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: not inside as far as I know
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Darius
Last call for office supplies. Got a 30-sheet large Post-It easel pad. Already have lots of sharpies and regular post-its.
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aaronpk
Darius: awesome perfect. kevin just arrived with name badges
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KevinMarks
warning, the hills up to The Embassy are steep
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tantek
kevinmarks, hah!
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@kyle_wm
On the way to my first IndieWebCamp http://t.co/qf1Ee5YUlc. Think it will be super fun!
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aaronparecki.com
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michielbdejong
watching a movie until iwc-sf starts, i'll stay up to follow you guys from India :)
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aaronparecki.com
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KevinMarks
new idea: indiewebcam
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@kevinmarks
@OddLetters @BiellaColeman @smc90 @sarahjeong I'm at indiewebcamp SF for the next 2 days, so I get to hang with hackers
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aaronpk
anybody heading over who has an extra laptop? for remote video?
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aaronpk
tantek maybe?
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tantek
bringing 2 laptops then
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tantek
just caught me
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aaronpk
awesome. i've got an external camera and mic for it
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: michielbdejong: you guys want to tune into a livestream?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: that would be great! just heading home, I’ll tune in then
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michielbdejong
great! "indiewebcam", i like it :)
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aaronpk
indiewebcam is coming online as soon as tantek gets here :)
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aaronpk
also for remote participants, the schedule grid is here and will be updated with etherpad URLs when we get it filled in http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF_Schedule
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tantek
Will be there in under 10. Have a thunderbolt video connector ready to go and I can plug my laptop in when I get there.
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willnorris
inspired by caseorganic talking about Esri culture toward open source... "Open is not a four letter word"
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tantek
Could someone archive the /indiewebcamp etherpad and set it up for today?
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tantek
(On mobile)
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caseorganic
scottjenson: WELCOME!
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aaronparecki.com
created /2013/UK/Notes (+7668) "Created page with "Dump from etherpad. TODO: Categorize this better. --- Welcome to IndieWebCamp UK 2013! Home: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK Schedule Grid: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK/Sc...""
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aaronpk
michielbdejong: barnabywalters: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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aaronpk
it's webrtc so if you're on a restrictive network it may not work
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: takk!
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caseorganic
Indiewebcamp SF is starting! Remote participants: talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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jden
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Loqi
yay!
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caseorganic
YAAAAAAYYYY
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caseorganic
adambrault: hello!
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adambrault
howdy!
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_6a68
o hai
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barnabywalters
greetings all! can I be seen?
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barnabywalters
talky.io is a little vague about that small detail
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: nope, can't see you, I see a black screen for you
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aaronpk
do you see us?
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jden
el oh el: "muting is only available in chrome"
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barnabywalters
I’ll just use chrome, that was the problem before
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jden
adambrault: fix this :)
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barnabywalters
or, as it is now aliased, “that browser with flash”
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KevinMarks
I see two people
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_6a68
i love the futuristic raygun join/leave sounds
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KevinMarks
3 people
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KevinMarks
and a black screen
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jden
now in chrome, muted
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barnabywalters
hopefully I am no longer a blank screen
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adambrault
yeah, it was a limitation of firefox at the time.
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barnabywalters
will be in intermittently, making pizza
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_6a68
this is underwhelming
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_6a68
i'll be back in a bit
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aaronpk
we're about to get started
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barnabywalters
greetings fellow remote participants! who is who?
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adambrault
we have some really great engineers currently working on taking talky.io, otalk.im, and simplewebrtc up a notch
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barnabywalters
I am the long-haired teenager in the blank room
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iboxifoo
hey folks
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barnabywalters
adambrault: oh great, that’s good to know
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adambrault
jden good to see you in here. :)
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michielbdejong
now see two people and the black screen. i'm the person who looks like it's midnight here that's because i'm in India, and it really is midnight here :)
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_6a68
hey guys! i just rejoined
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_6a68
i've got a lot of hair and a painting behind me :-)
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barnabywalters
michielbdejong: that would explain it!
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iboxifoo
i'm running late. will be there in 20 mins or so
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barnabywalters
talky.io could really benefit from a way to name your window
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jden
adambrault: o/
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_6a68
it would also be nice to have a "ready to connect your webcam?" warning
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_6a68
aaronpk it'd be nice if the video output were connected to the webrtc stream
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_6a68
the call quality is surprisingly good :-)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: shows the the squarespace superbowl ad, with indiewebcamp logo instead of squarespace
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jden
is there an etherpad or something to take notes / minutes?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up]
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@Johannes_Ernst
At #IndieWebCamp San Francisco today. Great venue! http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=119
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: the difference between having your data disappear and being able to get it off is unknown and arbitrary
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bear
waves to adambrault
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michielbdejong
barnabywalters: bon appetit! :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: for example, AOL homesites, which was full of small personal sites, gave 2 weeks notice and didn't email anyone
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barnabywalters
michielbdejong: thanks!
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barnabywalters
it’s yesterday’s sourdough pizza
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bear
is there a remote option for today?
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@theurv
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up]
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: once all these sites went away, people then noticed and freaked out. AOL closed comments
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adambrault
well, hi, bear :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: most of you made your own website and learned to play around with HTML then, but around 2003 this stopped
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bear
adambrault - did not realize you were going to this today :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: social networks melded the experience of subscription to people with the posting interface, but within a silo
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: what we're here for is to take back the web as it was, where we own our own data and connect to each other
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_6a68
meeting, be back later :-)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a lot of us were at the Federated Social Web summit in 2010, big split between building and handwaving
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: aaron and I wanted to focus on the people who built and created stuff, not the handwaving ratholes
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bear
oh yea, I remember that whole auth discussion about webfinger and salmon and activity streams
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: the rathole I remember was webfinger integrated with Salmon slaps on a whiteboard for 2 hours without building it
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barnabywalters
tantek’s turned into an experimental musical instrument!
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Loqi
[@dangillmor] At #indiewebcamp in San Francisco
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Loqi
where people are working to restore/save/enhance the open Internet (http://twtr.io/ir_kgYCm0Y)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we came up with indieweb for creators only, and on your own website
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caseorganic
tantek: "if you're not actually living what you're creating - why should anyone else?"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we formalised this as "self-dogfooding" - if you're not using the code or protocol on your own site, why would anyone else?
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #indieweb @t: we started in portland in 2011
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Loqi
last year we had Brighton too, now SF, plans for Brighton, Barcelona and Paris (http://twtr.io/ir_ttbRU28)
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caseorganic
remote participants: can you hear properly?
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #indieweb @aaronpk: the first day is demos and unconference
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Loqi
the second day is for building things (http://twtr.io/ir_wE3Ygt4)
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michielbdejong
caseorganic: no
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barnabywalters
caseorganic: people mutate into synths every now and again but other than that I can hear fine
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caseorganic
who are the three remote participants? can you intro yourselves here in the channel?
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caseorganic
barnabywalters: bear: and ...?
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jden
I'm http://jden.us and I'm poking myself in the head
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barnabywalters
michielbdejong is the person in the dark
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KevinMarks
crap, just hit refresh instead of tab and wiped my notes page
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michielbdejong
ok, reconnected and now i can hear
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: sounds like a good pain point to fix this weekend ;)
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barnabywalters
ooh I love demos
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: if you're not on irc yet it's #indiewebcamp on http://t.co/927iewVRVS, instructions at http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC
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Loqi
[@autiomaa] RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we started in portland in 2011
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Loqi
last year we had Brighton too, now SF, plans for Brighton, Barcelona and Paris (http://twtr.io/iraC0CbPfo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: demo what you have made so far
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: one thing I got working since last indiewebcamp is a somewhat responsive design on my homepage http://tantek.com
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@BarnabyWalters
#indiewebcamp SF has kicked off! Drop into the live stream: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf or just… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UwJbV/
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caseorganic
jden: awesome! nice to see you!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the other thing I changed is the favicon to an icon so it puts your face on your homescreen http://indiewebcamp.com/icon
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up]
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bear
can someone post links they are demoing into IRC ?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: let me show you haw you auth to your own site using your own site delegating via indieauth
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I just logged in using my domain name, redirecting via github
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: what we're here for is to take back the web as it was, where we own our own data and connect to eac…
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jden
apologies for weird motions on cam- i'm also meatspacing :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates these back
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travisfw
bridge.gy
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@t
@caseorganic is doing an awesome demonstration of POSSE @indiewebcamp SF! (ttk.me t4Uw1)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: barnaby responded directly from his site, from iceland and this shows up here
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: now all the comments on other sites come back to your site
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://t.co/H…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: these ideas are all based on webmentions - brid.gy is sending webmentions for twitter and facebook
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barnabywalters
github also closes issues in real-time
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bear
github does that also
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barnabywalters
it can be a bit flaky, but it usually works
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: aaron has implemented this in p3k, and the only other site that does this is facebook [also friendfeed]
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: you can't get the live comment updates on twitter - we're out innovating the twitter silos
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dangillmor: with a third party client like hootsuite, I can see replies
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ike.io
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: You don't see that on an individual post on twitter, but we have this working
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@scottros
Excited to spend the day at IndieWebCamp #indieweb with bunch of great developers/creators
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@kevinmarks
@caseorganic wait, I'm using the #indieweb hashtag not #indiewebsf
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates the…
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #indieweb @caseorganic: in order to work on a wiki you have to improve the content that is there
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: there are some things that haven't been fully solved - private notes are harder than public
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ike.io
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I want to have a discussion about private messaging as that build on indieauth
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ike.io
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I keep being asked "how can you compete with facebook with thousands of devs?" the answer is, we are
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://t.co/H…
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michielbdejong
@aaronpk: i have private messaging implemented on https://michielbdejong.com/
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email addresses
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@_jden
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email ad…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: when you buy a cell number you are renting it, and domain names are the same - you can move from host to host
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?"
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barnabywalters
er, can you get p3k?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we're at the 1970s Apple I stage - you have to build it yourself but you can get the kit
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bear.im
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@myleejoseph
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: social silos are like that greek myth where once you eat from the table you are there forever eating at the table
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barnabywalters
people “use” mail, but they don’t hack on it
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barnabywalters
that’s an important distinction
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bear
mail/smtp is a consumer tool now - not a creator/builder tool
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: mail has been largely abandoned by the hacker community - it's too hard to maintain a mailserver
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barnabywalters
bear: so the question is, can we have something which is both?
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Loqi
[@jf] RT @dangillmor: At #indiewebcamp in San Francisco
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Loqi
where people are working to restore/save/enhance the open Internet (http://twtr.io/irc7QkEwmw)
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: the main idea is that it your own domain so you can move the thing behind it ,
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bear
barnabywalters yea, we need to move micro messaging into the builder tool and make it easy - ala XMPP that is easy to install and use
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jden
devil's advocate: why do we trust IANA or local registries more than another domain?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dangillmor: I'm teaching a class, and one requirement is that they get their own domain.
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barnabywalters
personal computers before mobile devices and unibody laptops were largely both consumer deceives and hackable devices
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tantek
jden, devil's advocates never ship. ;)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I was trying to explain this to someone, and the stages that you go through are hard
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bear
the work we are doing at &yet will help bring xmpp to web hackers
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jden
tantek: w/e. it's a worthwhile FAQ
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@tobypinder
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?"
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tantek
jden not if it's not practical
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tantek
jden hypotheticals tend to be dilutionary
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dangillmor: I'm working on a new book which will include a chapter about this - say if you're on background
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jden
it's practical in terms of articulating why having a domain is worthwhile as opposed to just using a twitter id as your main identity
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: what if I want to post from my phone, but don't have responsive UI?
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tantek
jden, that's what /why answers
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: we should be able to post to our domains from each others' apps
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bear
I have a vision of the indieweb hacker community being just like the early days of *nix - people create small tools that can be chained together by other folks to make an ecosystem
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tantek
bear - except that we're UX focused.
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tantek
big difference
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bear
some of you are UX focused
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bear
i'm definitely not :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: my demo is http://ownyourgram.com to see how to PESOS from instagram, as they don't have a posting API
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@schnarfed
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates the…
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barnabywalters
I completely think that the experience of using small tools chained together can be better than nasty monolithic apps by removing all the stupid problems they cause like having to import/export files between different types, etc.
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bear
barnabywalters++
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Loqi
barnabywalters has 28 karma
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caseorganic
KevinMarks: island of the Lotus Eaters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus-eaters
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michielbdejong
barnabywalters: i think expert users prefer smaller building blocks than non-techies
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: this site is requesting posting rights via OAuth, but authorization is separate from the token
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@Freerange_Inc
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email ad…
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@tomwiththeweath
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dangillmor: I'm teaching a class, and one requirement is that they get their own domain.
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caseorganic
KevinMarks: "They started at once, and went about among the Lotus-eaters, who did them no hurt, but gave them to eat of the lotus, which was so delicious that those who ate of it left off caring about home, and did not even want to go back and say what had happened to them, but were for staying and munching lotus with the Lotus-eaters without thinking further of their return" - Odyssey IX
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: please don't all stomp on http://ownyourgram.com/ at once, it's still experimental
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tantek.com
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caseorganic
KevinMarks: Odyssey was one of my favorite books when I was little. So many good analogies in there
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: indieauth is like an email address but without the bit before the @
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: there are many ways you can show that you have editing control over your page - you can link back forth to twitter, G
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: anything that has html and OAuth can be made to work. Facebook does this wrong by hiding the HTML in comments
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barnabywalters
got to go, have a great time everyone! will be back tomorrow
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I have implemented SMS and email auth as well as OAUth. I want to get fax working but I don't have a fax machine
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@dangillmor
comprehensive note-taking of #indiewebcamp by @kevinmarks, if you're interested....
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michielbdejong
oh, the sound quality just got a lot better now that there are only two remote lurkers instead of three
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: indieauth is sending me an SMS with a 4 digit code
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@silverton
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: we should be able to post to our domains from each others' apps
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@markmadsen
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: social silos are like that greek myth where once you eat from the table you are there forever eatin…
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@silverton
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I was considering letting the indieauth page be asked for 2 factors and make the user click 2
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: https://indieauth.com/ is one authorization sever - there can be many of these - it's not required to be centralised
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: I've been experimenting with bluetooth LE chips that broadcast URLs that you can click on from your devices
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: I'm intentionally making it very visible now, we can make it more discreet
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: eventually we can put these on zipcars, bikes, museum exhibits easily
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bear
what is the IoT url he mentioned?
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caseorganic
scottjenson: could you put the public URLs for those Bluetooth LE chips into the channel?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: once we have bluetooth beaconing on your phones, we can broadcast our indieweb page URLs from our phones
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: it's a bit like an invisible QR code that doesn't need cameras
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I was wondering about making a messageboard you can access when you are in the area of The Embassy [ping @xeeliz]
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bear
scottjenson - can you paste the URLs you mentioned here?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: with twitter comments, I extract their real URL instead of twitter links
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: look at the comments on https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend and twitter accounts will have real URLs
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caseorganic
re snarfed: "the user visible interface should be your website"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I'm OK with twitter run things behind the scenes - but we can prefer URLs to twitter handles
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: the silos do a lot of hard stuff doing massively distributed scalable stuff. we can use them for that
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caseorganic
twitter was *supposed* to be a platform as a service. i felt like that especially for the internet of things, as anything could be given a feed through twitter (botanicalls, arduino attached to twitter posting to twitter when your plant needed water) twitter initially allowed things to have a voicew
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scottjenson
sorry, the urls are just dummy web pages that point to internal google pages, nothing really worth looking at
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bear
scottjenson - ah, ok
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: with twitter comments, I extract their real URL instead of twitter links
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: look at the comments on https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend and twitter accounts will have real URLs
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: when Tim BL designed http, URLs and HTML he didn't make them only work with each other, they interoperated with existing tech
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caseorganic
bear: jenson.org/iot/1
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caseorganic
bear: jenson.org/iot/3
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it makes a nice slogan "damn the man, fight the silos" but they are handy as plumbing
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caseorganic
"using the silos to bootstrap the indieweb makes a lot of sense -tantek
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: this is something I needed for my site which runs on wordpress. I have a love/hate relationship with jetpack
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: I like jetpacks Photon API that does image mirroring and crawling, but only works with their plugin
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: so I made my own version of the Photon image API with things that work better for me - mine is all https
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: they don't support https properly, and use URL query params for resizing which don't cache well, so I made it paths
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: it lets me resize and flip images and cache the URLs well on my own domain
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: Amazon announced that CloudFront CDN supports SNI so you can do https broadly for free
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@FinsUpDNC
When you are the only one tweeting an event, and the only user using a hashtag...stop @kevinmarks #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I did the all SSL thing a few months ago, and it takes a few hours but is worth it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I work on a thing that is box you plug into your network at home except it runs a webserver in your house
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I have bunch of apps running on my server in the house - own wordpress, our own calendar, not google calendar
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@Alheri
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: when Tim BL designed http, URLs and HTML he didn't make them only work with each other, they interoperated wi…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: indiebox provisions databases, configs firewalls it's just one command to install
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to start a kickstarter project that will deliver 1000 indieboxes that get automated update
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@wavis
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: i've been running this at home since christmas, haven't lost any data yet. In the longer term I'll add an apps
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to add a way fro people with indieboxes to install your apps too
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I work on a thing that is box you plug into your network at home except it runs a webserver in y…
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Little Brother that got me to use https for everything
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: i finally got a guy from comcast legal, and he said I can do any webserving as long as it is not commercial
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one thing I want to do is VPN, and thus we can then talk to each other over indiebox
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caseorganic
aaronpk++ for photo
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one of the scars I carry form OpenID is that we could never get people to upgrade their code at once
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Loqi
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@aaronpk
@FinsUpDNC Join us in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel on freenode. Tweets and other chatter are livestreaming there! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/07/1/indiewebcamp)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: companies don't write ToS and follow to the letter, they use them as an enforcement mechanism
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: most of the things we want to do the isp's don't care about so we have to establish norms now
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@FinsUpDNC
RT @aaronpk: @FinsUpDNC Join us in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel on freenode. Tweets and other chatter are livestreaming there! (http://t.c…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: in a few years it will be chromecast sized devices that do this
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michielbdejong
could IndieBox run on a (rooted) off-the-shelf android device?
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@doctorow
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything
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@JaspersBoy
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: micropub is the inverse of microformats - instead of consuming the data on the page, you can use an app to create a post
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: micropub is s replacement for atompub and the metaweblog API, but much simpler http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars
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moonmayor
adambrault
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: one of the things we've being working on is meshing web with xmpp
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one of the scars I carry form OpenID is that we could never get people to upgrade their code at …
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC
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@AlexSchleber
RT @dangillmor: comprehensive note-taking of #indiewebcamp by @kevinmarks, if you're interested....
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bear
yea, sorry @adambrault - otalk.im auth is broken hard and I can't get it back running
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: we have a few tools, for example talky.io lets you do a videoconference over WebRTC
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: we also have http:/// which makes it easy to add your WebRTC to your page
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity
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@delfinof
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: indieauth is like an email address but without the bit before the @
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: what we want to do is make it possible to run chat and videochat from your own domain
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: there are many ways you can show that you have editing control over your page - you can link back forth…
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@indieboxproject
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: micropub is s replacement for atompub and the metaweblog API, but much simpler http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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bear
caseorganic - send my apologies - otalk auth is dead and I am suffering from demo gremlins :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: otalk.im lets you sign in with jabber and build a chat http:///andyet/otalk
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michielbdejong
i want a "Call me!" button on my site, that is active when i'm online
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: you can make these calls now on android because they have WebRTC, but we have to make tools for iOS 'cos they don't
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: it's a lot of work in progress, but we have a lot of usable tools for hacking on now
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caseorganic
michielbdejong: Yes! aaronpk and I discussed doing this, as well as routing to your preferred method of contact based on what you were doing. driving, biking, walking, etc. an answering machine or response that would come back and say "aaronpk is driving right now and will get in touch with you in a moment"
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: it makes a nice slogan "damn the man, fight the silos" but they are handy as plumbing
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: the silos do a lot of hard stuff doing massively distributed scalable stuff. we can use them for that
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michielbdejong
yeah, it can automatically detect if i have a browser window open, logged in as myself, and then it would be like receiving a call through skype. i'll have a look at simplewebrtc, definitely!
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michielbdejong
and when i close my laptop it could revert to an answer phone, etc, definitely
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caseorganic
michielbdejong: perfect
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caseorganic
michielbdejong: have you made that into a wiki page? it would be a great one
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michielbdejong
i'll try to build it first! maybe a nice thing for me to work on today/tonight
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I want to do a session on indiecoms - how we contact each other without getting lost in tools
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I want to make a comic to explain indieweb to people and get them started
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michielbdejong
"from 10 to 1 billion"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to do a conversation "from 10 to 10 billion" - how we change the whole web to be indie
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I want to do a talk on apps for the indieweb - how micropub can be a basis for apps
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bear
ACL levels for indieauth? oh please count me in for that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: I'd like to have a wordpress therapy session- I'm fighting it constantly. I'm hoping to get tips
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caseorganic
bear: ok! bug aaronpk and he will open up a talky.io channel to you for that session
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bear
can they post the board (or a good photo) to the wiki
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I've been running into a problem with non-cash payments - google wallet, paypal, square - how do we do this easily 'pay' verb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: no-one has yet asked me to pay by bitcoin or even dogecoin
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC
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michielbdejong
bear where do you want the webcam to go?
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caseorganic
^^^ etherpad for #start session
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@kevinmarks
Notes from #indiewebcampsf Demos and intros are up at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsfdemos.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp
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bear
michielbdejong I actually need to break for lunch right now - so where it is is fine
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michielbdejong
i would like to see the 'comms' session if possible
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bear
michielbdejong +1 to move it to comms
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michielbdejong
ah ok, thx!
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bear
i'll be back in like 40 minutes
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@gcarothers
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I want to make a comic to explain indieweb to people and get them started
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: Notes from #indiewebcampsf Demos and intros are up at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsfdemos.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp
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caseorganic
if you're in the #start session add to the etherpad! https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-start
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tantek
adambrault - please add yourself! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF/Guest_List :)
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adambrault
working on it! mistakenly thought that logging in added me to the guest list. :)
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adambrault.com
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Loqi
woot
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@top_webtech
Top popular tags webtech: 1^ #SXSW 2^ #indieweb 3^ #SxSWi 4^ #Tech 5^ #iwd2014 http://webtech.twirus.com
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomms @t: I keep the to-do list for my site code Falcon on http://indiewebcamp.com/falcon so it's public domain
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adambrault.com
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michielbdejong
tantek: is the webcam still working? i lost the signal
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aaronpk
it's up, maybe it froze?
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michielbdejong
i'll try restarting
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aaronpk
i just restarted it here too and switched over to the other network since we're on the other side of the house
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomms @t: I might want to be contacted by random people on AIM, but if you indieauth in, it will show you more options
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomms @schnarfed: the way we do ACLs now is someone else logs in with indieauth, which is a huge ask
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adambrault
github.com/andyet/signalmaster
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adambrault
this is the signaling server that talky.io uses
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adambrault
this is *not* server to server federation, however.
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aaronpk
adambrault: is that possible to do over just HTTP, or is the bidirectional communication of socket.io important?
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adambrault
the websocket bit is necessary, yes.
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adambrault
(afaik)
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michielbdejong
afaik the visitor could talk http to your server if they are the call initiator.
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michielbdejong
but if you're waiting available to receive calls then you either need to have a WebSocket open, or be longpolling your server
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tantek
hi I'm here in IRC
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aaronpk
wiki is coming back... sorry guys
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KevinMarks
irc://irc.freenode.net/tantek,isnick
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aaronpk
wiki is back
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michielbdejong
!tell adambrault how can i tell simplewebrtc.js to use my signalmaster instance?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@_pablo
IndieAuth - Sign in with your domain name https://indieauth.com/
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michielbdejong
!tell adambrault ok, found the 'url' config option. https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html now only warns that :8888 runs http instead of https
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michielbdejong
can signalmaster be made to run https?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@aallan
Interesting one, a “physical website” via #ble, http://instagram.com/p/lQMhn2JN8S/ from @scottjenson (via @ambercase). #indiewebcamp
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michielbdejong
caseorganic: implemented a draft version of the 'Call me' button we talked about earlier. it defaults to 'Leave a message', but becomes 'Start video call' if exactly 1 person is connected to https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html
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michielbdejong
unfortunately it currently only works in chrome (and there it has a warning), because of mixed http/https content policy
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michielbdejong
and i still have to set up a special password which only i have, so that only i can be the first person to enter the room
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michielbdejong
working on that now
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michielbdejong
you can see it on https://michielbdejong.com/ - please excuse the clunky css :)
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michielbdejong
ok, going to get some sleep, it's 3:30am here :) see you guys tomorrow!
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bear
!tell michielbdejong the signalmaster devs are telling me that it should be able to run under https
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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scottjenson
Everyone still at lunch in the park. Starting back in ~30
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@iboxifoo
Lunch #indieweb #indiewebcamp @ Alamo Square http://instagram.com/p/lQhbbZj7CQ/
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caseorganic
indiewebcamp comic session about to start: take notes here! https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-comic
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benwerd
(organizers: confirming Palmyra lunch delivered tomorrow via Zesty UNLESS someone pings me to tell me no)
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aaronpk
benwerd: yes great!
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aaronpk
we put lunch at 12pm on the schedule for tomorrow, but any time between 12-1 is fine
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benwerd
ok - it might be closer to 1 but I'll try and drive them down to 12
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aaronpk
no worries, tomorrow is more flexible since there aren't scheduled backtoback sessions
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bear
if people are interested in exploring otalk.im contact me for the demo user identity
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bear
I don't want to post it to IRC as it is logged
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benwerd
re: breakfast, I may need to send someone money, because getting that delivered turns out to be harder
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benwerd
15 people sound right?
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aaronpk
i think it's more like 20 now actually
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benwerd
will order for 20
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aaronparecki.com
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomic @caseorganic: there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that
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@fdevillamil
RT @kevinmarks: #indiecomic @caseorganic: there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that
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bear
can someone refresh the talky.io laptop
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/SF_Schedule (+62) "/* Friday, March 7, 2014 */"
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bear
thank you sir
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@kevinmarks
#indiesilos @schnarfed: brid,gy will talk indieweb stuff - if you markup your post with microformats as a like, it can post back to FB
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@kevinmarks
#indiesilos @schnarfed: the 2 things are microformats to mark up your content for structure and webmention to tell another site about it
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@kevinmarks
#indiesilos @schnarfed: securing login is fundamentally hard - the great idea of IndieAuth is to use the big companies' hard work for that
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