#indiewebcamp 2014-03-31
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KartikPrabhu bear: is ronkyuu also supposed to handle in coming webmentions? or is that the plan with no code yet?
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bnvk so if I put the same http://webmention.io/brennannovak.com/webmention on multiple sites (different domains) will I be able to query and split up my mentions as per each domain at a later time?
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KartikPrabhu bear: so I am confused as to where the in-coming handling is happening in the code
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KartikPrabhu bear: oh I see. So ronkyuu is doing the later with findMentions... :)
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KartikPrabhu you think we should boost it using mf2py?
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KartikPrabhu alright! since I am changing my webmention parsing i'll see if I can play with that
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KartikPrabhu oh! I got a bearhug!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: you are too quick, now I can’t test my error message on encountering a private account ;)
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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aaronpk i'm following this algorithm to the letter to determine what to display as the comment, in case you want to debug http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display
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bnvk snarfed: maybe I don't have any content that has the right kind of activity on it? I'm even trying to manually enter post URL and not seeing anything https://brennannovak.com/notes/410
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snarfed in the meantime, try running your markup through http://kartikprabhu.com/connection/mfparser . that's the same parser bridgy uses
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snarfed bnvk: looks like the preview of https://brennannovak.com/notes/410 worked ok?
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bnvk aaronpk: and my first webmention has been sent to https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/10/12/2/indieweb from my laptop :)
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aaronpk it should be following this http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display
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bnvk aaronpk: not sure, it's pulling up fine on http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdjango.bnvk.me%2Fnotes%2F17
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KartikPrabhu bnvk: is you're webmention endpoint on webmention.io?
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KartikPrabhu ok good. ronkyuu finds it fine enough :) just testing
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aaronpk and the first step of http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display says "if its hyperlink to the original post lacks in-reply-to markup, then add it to the "Related Articles" or "Mentions" section"
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KartikPrabhu "p-like-of" is better as it is a property of h-entry.
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KartikPrabhu irrc people are also using "p-in-reply-to"
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bnvk aaronpk: also, upon looking at my logs my calls to $client = new IndieWeb\MentionClient('http://django.bnvk.me/notes/17')
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: mf2py does what tantek said. so does php-mf2 afaik
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aaronpk tantek: are you saying I should see the same h-cite object in both a "like-of" and "in-reply-to" property? (parsed JSON for reference http://pin13.net/8sV )
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KartikPrabhu same here
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: what is the source? I'll see what mf2py does
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KartikPrabhu <article class="h-entry"><div class="p-like-of p-in-reply-to h-cite"></div></article> should be working correctly right?
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KartikPrabhu the h-cite shows up as both "in-reply-to" and "like-of"
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aaronpk test it here http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF (+376) "add articles section with posts from Amber and Dan" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu oh! mf2py works correctly then. tested on http://kartikprabhu.com/connection/mfparser
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KartikPrabhu eh! yeah it can but it does not have a http endpoint yet :P
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KartikPrabhu ok how should that work? take a url and output json?
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KartikPrabhu yeah I'll make it do JSON
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KartikPrabhu for that there is a http://kylewm.com/api/mf2?url=http://kartikprabhu.com/notes
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: unless you don't want that public
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aaronpk ok issue filed. i suspect barnaby will see it in the morning :) https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/42
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KartikPrabhu is on that JSON thingie
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tantek.com edited /Federated_Social_Web_Summit (+573) "/* Portland 2010 */ make articles its own subsection, add post re: registerprotocolhandler, expand search for posts into actual list of posts" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: fixed to return JSON. url parameter thingie postponed for the time being
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KartikPrabhu agrees. have started avoiding GG links when I search for code help
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KartikPrabhu its all the JS trickery that Google seems to love nowadays
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KartikPrabhu oopsies
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tantek e.g. http://www.indiewebcamp.com/ should redirect permanent to http://indiewebcamp.com/
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tantek and for some reason Firefox is redirecting me from http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon to http://www.indiewebcamp.com/Falcon which then gives a 404
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tantek and it just started working ( http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon that is )
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tantek should we put http://decentralizecamp.com/ on /events ?
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tantek.com edited /Events (+403) "add Decentralize Camp as it looks similar / complementary to IndieWebCamps, and heck, we didn't have any camps planned in May anyway" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu is there a way to not have a toc on user page on the wiki?
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KartikPrabhu cool thanks
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kartikprabhu.com edited /User:Kartikprabhu.com (+858) "added setup, itiching sections" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu just made a user page to document progress and to-dos
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I would eventuallylike to supersede Django's admin interface for posting. I feel like struggling with modifying Django would be futile and I should just use HTML+JS to do some micropubbing
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KartikPrabhu that sound right?
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KartikPrabhu yup! And if I am moving to a filedb then I don't even have to deal with Django. Just raw python
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KartikPrabhu use Django+MySQL to do some meta-caching things...
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KartikPrabhu cool. that is in the near-far-future. back to webmention parsing...
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KartikPrabhu scrobbles?
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KartikPrabhu aah i see
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KartikPrabhu backfeed music to own site? nice idea aaronpk
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KartikPrabhu how about Scrobbler for your app that PESOS from silos?
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KartikPrabhu unless that is TM-ed
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KartikPrabhu aah so there is my second suggestion "scrobbler" or "scrobby"
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KartikPrabhu didn't know that about TMs
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KartikPrabhu true. but I didn't realise it had to be a noun-modifier
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KartikPrabhu aka adjective
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KartikPrabhu aah like Kleenex tissues and Kleenex phones ... (hypothetical)
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KartikPrabhu haha!
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ben_thatmustbeme How do you guys syndicate to G+? do you use Moments API or handle it manually?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm hoping to start on syndication stuff this week
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll ask him tomorrow
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ben_thatmustbeme thats what i figured, its rather rediculous that they haven't opened that API yet
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ben_thatmustbeme i can imagine they don't want to get innundated by auto-post junk though
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KartikPrabhu another way is to somehoe hack the plus+ button, but haven't been able to figure that out yet
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmmmmm
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: for your own posts you can have a +1 button and then use that after posting...
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KartikPrabhu but I don't like share buttons on my posts
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: using some authorization?
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is true. check G+ authorisation for myself and show/hide +1 button
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KartikPrabhu that is a neat idea
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ben_thatmustbeme which is an interesting question though, does bridgy find all +1s for the site?
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KartikPrabhu aah yes. it might always find your +1 which you'll have to filter out
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KartikPrabhu too much hackery
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ben_thatmustbeme i have not. it supports publish ehhhh???
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: I have been using bridgy/publish to POSSE to twitter :)
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KartikPrabhu not big on FB POSSE
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snarfed the first google result for micropub: http://www.micropub.com/
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KartikPrabhu horrible looking site might I say
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KartikPrabhu for me it is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub
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KartikPrabhu basically a small pub
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KartikPrabhu micropub.io ?
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ben_thatmustbeme DOH! "Could not parse the web site in your Facebook profile: ben.thatmustbe.me"
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ben_thatmustbeme I have a lot of things to clean up on the site before i start posting through it anyway
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KartikPrabhu yeah .io is quite expensive
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KartikPrabhu haha
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KartikPrabhu much money! many io
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ben_thatmustbeme hah
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KartikPrabhu "too better"
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ben_thatmustbeme Much Silly
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KartikPrabhu bear: I wrote a Python object (long back) to help send webmentions to some post. Automatically discovers mentions by scanning content of post using ronkyuu. Functions to send mentions to combinations of past and present mentions. Is this something that belongs in ronkyuu itself, I am happy to add it there.
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KartikPrabhu does Loqi speak Doge?
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ben_thatmustbeme I don't know, but I sort of wonder how good Loqi's regex is
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ben_thatmustbeme s/[^e]*/a/gi
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KartikPrabhu yeah WTF!
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme sweet it works
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ben_thatmustbeme s/workd/worked/
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ben_thatmustbeme s/workd/works/
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KartikPrabhu much fail!
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, the ways i could abuse Loqi now
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KartikPrabhu that's true! been there done that
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KartikPrabhu Loqi knows how to keep you in check!
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ben_thatmustbeme oh i'm sure, i wouldn't overdo it
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KartikPrabhu "anything worth doing, is worth over-doing"
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ben_thatmustbeme i am trying to figure out a regex to turn a statement in to pig latin though
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ben_thatmustbeme s/\ ([^aeiou\ ]*)(\W*)\ /\ \2\1ay/gi
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ben_thatmustbeme thats not it
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ben_thatmustbeme darn, that should have been a lower case w
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ben_thatmustbeme not bad for doing it from memory though
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ben_thatmustbeme plus it wouldn't match the first word
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ben_thatmustbeme s/\ ([^aeiou\ ]*)(\w*)\ /\ \2\1ay/gi
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ben_thatmustbeme needs some work
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ben_thatmustbeme got some words in there working
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KartikPrabhu judas priest! wtf regex!!
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KartikPrabhu flips table and walks waya
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ben_thatmustbeme I basically tried to model my life after this... https://xkcd.com/208/
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ben_thatmustbeme s/\b([^aeiou\b]*)(\W*)\b/\ \2\1ay\ /gi
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: \ I ay\ \ ay\ basically\ ay\ \ ay\ tried\ ay\ \ ay\ to\ ay\ \ ay\ model\ my ay\ \ ay\ life\ ay\ \ ay\ after\ ay\ \ ay\ this\ ... https://xkcd.ay\ \ ay\ com\ /208ay\ \ ay\ /
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry
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ben_thatmustbeme so i see
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ben_thatmustbeme in the right have you don't it seems, i find its a little different in any engine
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ben_thatmustbeme s/\b([^aeiou\b]*)(\W*)\b/\2\1ay/gi
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ben_thatmustbeme what the hell happened there
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KartikPrabhu WTWTF!
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry Loqi, I'll stop
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ben_thatmustbeme I love you Loqi
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KartikPrabhu awww!
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ben_thatmustbeme Marry Me Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme side note, this is what happens when I'm tired
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ben_thatmustbeme Its okay Loqi, you think about it
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ben_thatmustbeme take all the time you need.
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, that was me too
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ben_thatmustbeme I've got a think for Norse Gods
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ben_thatmustbeme s/think/thing/
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: are you a dinosaur?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm still trying to figure out what happened with that other regex... why the hell did i end up with ayay at the begging of each word
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ben_thatmustbeme doesn't make any sense to me
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ben_thatmustbeme OH, i used the capital W again!
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ben_thatmustbeme s/\b([^aeiou\b]*)(\w*)\b/\2\1ay/gi
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't like the \b
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ben_thatmustbeme it hates me
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, sleep. I'm officially starting to spam this room and I don't want to do that
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ben_thatmustbeme Good Night all
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aaronpk i made a video playlist of songs from the old gemstorm game https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAC202792EE9788A7
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@posthoc **Pinboard**: â–¶ Rise of the IndieWeb - Amber Case - FutureTalks - YouTube https://t.co/GLU9TyEl75: ** (twitter.com/_/status/450502142068285440)
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tantek a different kind of silo-quit: http://blog.eat24hours.com/breakup-letter-to-facebook-from-eat24/
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KevinMarks "There also might be a Greek letter in there somewhere but we’re not sure cuz we got bored and ordered a panini."
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KevinMarks did you see the douchey reply form facebook PR?
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tantek KevinMarks - WAT: @chavdrone?!? https://twitter.com/ChavDrone/status/450507651684659200
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@ChavDrone @MayorofLondon ey mate your window is open i nicked your mobi (twitter.com/_/status/450507651684659200)
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aaronpk tantek: apparently I modified your b10to60 function to work with >32 bit integers, but only in php https://github.com/aaronpk/twtr.io/blob/master/lib.php#L18
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KartikPrabhu "Look Facebook, all we’re saying is that we wanted to share a joke about chicken wings, not ponder astrophysics." that is just bad complaining it I ever saw one.
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KartikPrabhu also they seem to complaining that FB used math in their algo!
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KevinMarks wait, tantek , where did that come from?
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KartikPrabhu never! in all my years
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KartikPrabhu speaking of astrophysics back to doing some of that...
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KevinMarks astrophysics++
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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KevinMarks has anyone tried meteor? Their blog looked interesting https://github.com/Differential/meteor-blog
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KevinMarks hm, the js-focused, data in JSON model has some tensions with indieweb/microformats philosophy
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KartikPrabhu in what respect?
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KevinMarks the HTML as data worldview
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KevinMarks file orientation
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KartikPrabhu so any other file format for data storage would be against indieweb/mf philosophy?
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KevinMarks not necessarily, but there is a potential dependency fragility there
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KevinMarks I'm trying to mentally square the circle here - Meteor has nice dynamic updates, but static rendering is also a win
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KartikPrabhu interesting... I just started using YAML as a file format to store data (for replies/responses and such) would that count as fragile?
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KevinMarks YAML is a bit too extensive - that was how ruby got compromised http://www.sitepoint.com/anatomy-of-an-exploit-an-in-depth-look-at-the-rails-yaml-vulnerability/
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KevinMarks make sure you're not enabling such atatcks
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KevinMarks JSON is declarative, as long as you're not using naive eval parsing
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KevinMarks YAML has grown a lot of extensions that can cause problems
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KevinMarks the fragility is different
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KevinMarks js-based sites are fragile against browser variations
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KevinMarks twitter went that way, then backed off
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KartikPrabhu agreed with the JS assessment! Google also seems to be going that way
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KevinMarks the future version of this (IMO) is sql <-> json <-> html consistency
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KevinMarks which at the moment may require some complex transformations
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KartikPrabhu so you are sql leaning?
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KartikPrabhu for database things
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KevinMarks think browserfify extended to htmlify
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KevinMarks SQL brings CRUD, which is tricky
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KevinMarks a version control model is closer to functional thinking
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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KevinMarks I need to write this up, but the mapreduce worldview assumes you cna create databases from documents
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KevinMarks and that databases are inherently volatile and iterative
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KevinMarks whereas the SQL worldview sees databases as ideal and pure, and documents as volatile reports you generate from them
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: They can both be inter converted of course. Which on is "pure" and which is "volatile" depends on what is using it and how I think... Would be an interesting blogpost
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KartikPrabhu as a complete aside saw the Dave Winer wiki page. Man the talk page is contentious
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KevinMarks I haven't looked, not sure I want to
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KevinMarks hm
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KevinMarks http://kmevents.meteor.com/blog seems to work, but I am nervous
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KevinMarks quite. That is the tension of these things
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KartikPrabhu much JS. more bad
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KartikPrabhu oh of course. not blaming Winer at all for that
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KartikPrabhu yeah just saw you name on there
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@equivalentideas databases-antipattern - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/databases-antipattern via @instapaper (twitter.com/_/status/450610161866899456)
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barnabywalters in theory an update webmention could be sent for each one, which returns a 301 redirect, and some piece of software goes through and sends them all
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barnabywalters then it’s “safe” to turn the old domain off
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barnabywalters voxpelli: yeah, I keep an archive of everything I link to so one thing I considered was recrawling periodically, and replacing the links with links to the archived versions if the original 404s
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bnvk like /note/345 ----> /note/f5e82
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barnabywalters bnvk: “old” and “new”?
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barnabywalters well in webmention vocabulary waterpigs.co.uk is the target of the webmention
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barnabywalters so django.bnvk.me is the “old source”, brennannovak.com is the “new source” and waterpigs.co.uk is the “target”
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brennannovak.com created /migration (+1250) "Created page with "Ideally people will create their IndieWeb sites and their data will live at the same URL forever and ever into eternity. In reality, it seems this is unlikely, as people do cha..."" (view diff)
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@localherodotbiz @dougmckown stick with Wordpress. More indieweb plugins are being written all the time. (twitter.com/_/status/450621628485881856)
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KartikPrabhu lol! http://osrc.dfm.io/kartikprabhu What the what!
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cweiske my posse user on github is a "serious php expert" ... http://osrc.dfm.io/cweiske-mirror
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KartikPrabhu "It seems like cweiske-mirror is—or should be—friends with Christian Weiske." Lol
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bnvk hehe, I should be friends with barnabywalters http://osrc.dfm.io/brennannovak :P
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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KartikPrabhu and I should be friends with Ryan Barrett cc: snarfed
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KartikPrabhu morning!
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ben_thatmustbeme how is everyone this fine day (though its rainy here)
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KartikPrabhu I found that while checking how my site is doing on Google's ranking
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: very well! seems the Spring has finally come to Chicago!
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ben_thatmustbeme So I tried to fix up my regex from last night
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ben_thatmustbeme s/\b([^aeiou ]*)(\w*)\b/\2\1ay /gi
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ben_thatmustbeme damn, that worked in vim :P
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather in sed
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ben_thatmustbeme s/\b([^aeiou ]*)(\w+)\b/\2\1ay /gi
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ben_thatmustbeme just the spacing, but i got it
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KartikPrabhu Loqi keeps thwarting your efforts
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ben_thatmustbeme that one I had right, its just the space, easy to fix
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ben_thatmustbeme i just didn't want to bother again
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KartikPrabhu haha yes
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ben_thatmustbeme if you run that last one and change ay /gi to ay/gi you have it
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bnvk !tell snarfed would you ever consider hacking Bridgy to be it's own app that's easy to install a given users server a la http://indiewebcamp.com/store
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Loqi snarfed: bnvk left you a message 28 seconds ago: would you ever consider hacking Bridgy to be it's own app that's easy to install a given users server a la http://indiewebcamp.com/store
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snarfed have you seen http://asheville.io/ ?
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gRegor` Morning, indieweb
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snarfed bnvk: definitely. lots of my work tackles that in different ways. not just bridgy but https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial , http://freedom.io/ , http://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ and friends
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bnvk barnabywalters: oh snap, another bug http://indiewebify.me/send-webmentions/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrennannovak.com%2Fnotes%2F412
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barnabywalters bnvk: add an issue :)
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barnabywalters does anyone here use docker?
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KartikPrabhu added a IndieWeb Usage section to the database-antipattern page, feel free to add your storage use case there
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KartikPrabhu I don't think most indieweb usage conforms to the database-antipattern viewpoint so would be good have documented cases
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Any thoughts on where we should meet April 9th? Intelligentsia downtown is open until 8. http://www.yelp.com/biz/intelligentsia-coffee-chicago-6
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: It's not huge and I'm not sure how busy / noisy it might be Wednesday at 6:30
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gRegor` tantek: sounds good
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tantek.com edited /databases-antipattern (-178) "move indieweb usage of MySQL to a MySQL article instead of burying it here, linky linky" (view diff)
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tantek gRegor`, KartikPrabhu what's the name of the software/project CMS's that you're running on your sites? I left ??? in place here: http://indiewebcamp.com/MySQL
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I'm just using A custom Django installation. No name other than that :P
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kbs KartikPrabhu: I think I would offer https://github.com/kbsriram/kbsriram.github.io if I didn't also feel that my ragtag of random scripts would probably drive most people off the use-documents-vs-database principle :)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: are we trying to sync with the SF/PDX homebrew website club meeting?
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: I was thinking that initially, though obviously in Central time. I don't mind meeting at a different time.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: my blog was and continues to be called Parallel Transport but there is no name still for whatever code I am using... some day
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KartikPrabhu1 gRegor`: I think the SF and PDX people sync over video and irc notes, but we can just meet at a good Chicago time and post notes
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KartikPrabhu1 to update folks in stuff we did
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gRegor` Yeah, that's what I was figuring.
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KartikPrabhu1 joining live over video would be hard given the famed connection speeds in cafes :P
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KartikPrabhu1 wait who is using my name!
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gRegor` It will also be 8:30 Chicago time, so I don't think we'll be able to join anyway.
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KartikPrabhu brb lunch
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j12t Just noticed there’s a new .camp tld. Seems open to all comers. http://www.schlundtech.com/camp-domain/
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ben_thatmustbeme so who wants to get indieweb.camp
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bret GitHub is using the term 'silo' in their latest blog post: https://github.com/blog/1814-collaborating-with-lists
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kylewm qv. https://twitter.com/hertling/status/449574638671372288 is there a section of the wiki for what you can do if you're "not a programmer"?
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@hertling IndieWeb is hugely important, but I hope we can include more than just programming technorati in the movement. http://electricabacus.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/the-indieweb-revolution-and-other-reasons-you-should-learn-to-code/?utm_content=buffer1d679&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/449574638671372288)
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KartikPrabhu Gen 2 is getting interested... nice!
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: for some reference: http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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KartikPrabhu true and now would be a good time
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KartikPrabhu yes.
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:logitech-hd-pro-webcam-c920.png "http://loqi.me/asin/B006JH8T3S"
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tantek and then we can get into the whole modern literacy discussion (HTML is modern punctuation etc.) http://tantek.com/2011/148/t6/tipsy-designers-sketching-html-literacy-sketchcamp
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KartikPrabhu is bad at combinatorics and graphs :(
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:bose-soundlink-bluetooth-speaker.png "http://loqi.me/asin/B00D5Q75RC"
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aaronparecki.com created /remote-participation (+899) "add hardware recommendations for remote participation" (view diff)
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aaronpk k I started this page http://indiewebcamp.com/remote-participation
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KevinMarks we could ask bradfitz, who wrote the rel-me crawler for google
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KevinMarks the social graph api would start form a url and return all linked urls and whether they linked back
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KevinMarks it followed rel="me" chains
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ben_thatmustbeme oh god, this google maps pokemon thing has killed my productivity today
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@equivalentideas Twitter photo tagging :( strong reminder to get indie auth and POSSE set up @indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twitter.com/_/status/450730325501423617)
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gRegor` Doesn't fall under a traditional site-death since it's more an app in conjunction with the site, but Readmill (ebook app) is shutting down: https://readmill.com/epilogue
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gRegor` You could post reviews and comments on the ebooks though, so some content creation.
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gRegor` Nvm, see someone beat me to it. :)
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@lightcoin Lots of cool stuff added since the last time I checked out the @redecentralize website http:///about/ #p2p #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/450735780332580865)
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KartikPrabhu yeah it is 404ing
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KartikPrabhu tested OK
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KartikPrabhu 200
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@GroupSRCbros RT @lightcoin: Lots of cool stuff added since the last time I checked out the @redecentralize website http:///about/ #p2p #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/450737358753652736)
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@sshcoin RT @lightcoin: Lots of cool stuff added since the last time I checked out the @redecentralize website http:///about/ #p2p #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/450737935143280640)
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tantek odd about the http:///about/ URLs in tweets from Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme no, its The Dude, his dudeness, the dude-arino
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aaronpk curl -I http://redecentralize.org/about/ -> Location: /about/
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aaronpk not the only one seeing this problem with github http://subosito.com/fix-302-redirect-response-for-github-hosted-site
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aaronpk they sorta documented it here https://developer.github.com/v3/#http-redirects
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tantek.com edited /communication (+963) "/* Articles */ add challenge/problem subsection and link to Can We Talk article, add h-cite markup" (view diff)
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@indieporch Judy Davis at the premiere of web series 'Enlightens' and 'Chronicles of a Profiler' #indieweb http://indieporch.com/post/80 https://twitter.com/indieporch/status/450749298125205505/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/450749298125205505)
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+135) "Brad Feld: Stopping Writing For Other Web Sites" (view diff)
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@MailpileTeam @lunesoup you might want to checkout http://indiewebcamp.com and what the #IndieWeb are working on! (twitter.com/_/status/450760979086077952)
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KartikPrabhu catches up
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KartikPrabhu I think the improved shortening is great! But it still does not match Twitter's own shortening, which is what people might expect. any reason?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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KartikPrabhu and letter counting too
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KartikPrabhu let me try to find an example
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KartikPrabhu i think fewer in Bridgy... but I should find examples that'll be illustrative
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KartikPrabhu eh! Bridgy does not give preview of already POSSEd tweets! how do I find examples now... :P
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KevinMarks tantek's tweet length counting is good
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KartikPrabhu is it possible to give a preview but still warn that it has already been POSSEd
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KartikPrabhu I was talking to a friend about webRTC... do you think silos will adopt that standard?
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: the "Sign in with Twitter" button also lost its style
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KevinMarks if you're using js or PHP, strlen(tw_text_proxy(tweet))
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KevinMarks KartikPrabhu: g+ will, yes
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KartikPrabhu for hangouts?
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KevinMarks I think so - that seems the goal
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KartikPrabhu hmm is webRTC supposed to supersede XMPP? I know GTalk was XMPP based and the seem to be mving that to Hangouts too
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KevinMarks that is weird isn't it snarfed
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: here is an example. original note: http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/princeton-women
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KartikPrabhu Bridgy short: "I am appalled" doesn't even begin to sum it up: mathbabe.org/2014/03... (kartikprabhu.com/not...)
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KartikPrabhu Twitter short: "I am appalled" doesn't even begin to sum it up: http://mathbabe.org/2014/03/20/optimizing-for-einstein-and-other-homo-erotic-theories/ … (http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/princeton-women …)
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@kartik_prabhu "I am appalled" doesn't even begin to sum it up: http://mathbabe.org/2014/03/20/optimizing-for-einstein-and-other-homo-erotic-theories/ (http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/princeton-women) (twitter.com/_/status/447894001962598400)
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KevinMarks why they don't just provide an HTML version in the API rather than all those pointers
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KartikPrabhu i guess the XMPP/webRTC togetherness was part of my question! :)
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pdurbin looks at http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/
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KartikPrabhu I thought XMPP and webRTC did the same thing and so one would replace the other... but it seems not from is being said here
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KevinMarks not really
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KevinMarks the hard part is the signalling which is out of scope for WebRTC
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KevinMarks also you may need to tunnel, which is a major pain
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KartikPrabhu i see.
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KartikPrabhu yeah I did check that first tantek ;)
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KartikPrabhu getting into good #indiewebcamp habits
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KevinMarks WebRTC reveals how far we are from a neutral web
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KartikPrabhu meaning?
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KartikPrabhu also no /webrtc
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bear pdurbin - yes https://github.com/legastero/stanza.io
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KartikPrabhu I know at least one webRTC expt, first example on http://indiewebcamp.com/phone whatever happened to that?
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KartikPrabhu nods
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tantek.com edited /2014-03-09-this-week-in-the-indieweb (+4) "/* Saturday 8th March */ linky" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there you go: http://indiewebcamp.com/WebRTC
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pdurbin bear: you should check out http://crimsonfu.github.io :)
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