#indiewebcamp 2014-04-19

2014-04-19 UTC
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bret he didnt know :/ I'll try to show him after the talk
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aaronpk easiest way to demonstrate is open up a terminal and run this twice in a row: curl -I http://bret.io/about/
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bret aaronpk: any ideas on how to demonstrate besides just the curl -i bret.io
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bret ah
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bret ok
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bret nobody do that
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aaronpk too late i just did
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aaronpk try a different URL
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bret i just got it
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bret i mean, it redirected
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aaronpk I did it with a different one and got redirected twice!
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bret you can sneak it in twice
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bret its a timing thing
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bret if you do it once, wait a few seconds then it will work normally the next time
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bret if you do it twice fast, it will redirect twice
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aaronpk I really wanna hear their reason for doing that
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aaronpk there has to be a reason
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kbs fwiw, I seem to be able to reproduce on my site by having a delay of 120 seconds between requests. [nobody else but me visits my site]. while true
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kbs do sleep 120
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kbs curl -i http://kbsriram.com
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kbs done
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bret good to know
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kbs other data points [potentially] i'm redirecting dns from hover.com - and it's not using their "more-optimized" dns redirection mechanism. I can pull up more detalis if i seems relevant
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aaronpk kbs: you host on github too?
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kbs yep
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bret i use a records
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@geerlinger @caseorganic you're awesome! Let's homestead, make things, know things, own our data. #indiewebcamp #passionprojects (twitter.com/_/status/457327430311477248)
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aaronpk bye bye nike fuelband http://www.cnet.com/news/nike-fires-fuelband-engineers-will-stop-making-wearable-hardware/
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KevinMarks_ blogger templates are still xml, so I have to CDATA escape the javascript #retro
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KevinMarks_ hm, did the new version undo highlighting?
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KevinMarks_ aaronpk: what was the highlighting trick?
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KevinMarks_ JonathanNeal: did you remove the focus setting?
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JonathanNeal KevinMarks_: I did, and replaced it with a [fragmention] attribute.
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KevinMarks_ I think we need both. without the focus there is extra work needed on the client side
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JonathanNeal KevinMarks_: what extra work is needed?
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KevinMarks_ I need to add css to the html as well as including the js
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JonathanNeal You can style the fragmention element. [fragmention] { background-color: yellow
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JonathanNeal } e.g. http://sandbox.thewikies.com/fragmentions/example.html##individual+words+and+phrases
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KevinMarks_ I know I *can* but the lack of default focus makes it less clear what is going on
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KevinMarks_ I liked the "out of the box" focus effect for people installing it and seeing what happened
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KevinMarks_ this is more obvious for me on kevinmarks.com as I don't have any templating or CSS styling going on the moment
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JonathanNeal I can understand that. The out of the box effect for :target is similar.
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KevinMarks_ was that what was different? I'm tryign turning element.focus() back on but ti sin't showing
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JonathanNeal Try adding a style for [fragmention], and tell me if it still seems wonky. I think focus was a hack.
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KevinMarks_ I tried it on the blog
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KevinMarks_ http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003_02_01_archive.html##annotate+the+web
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KevinMarks_ shepazu's point about integration with in-browser search makes some sense
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JonathanNeal KevinMarks_: do you like how that turned out?
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KevinMarks_ it's OK, a little garish
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KevinMarks_ I cna change that...
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JonathanNeal KevinMarks_: much better than with focus, IMHO http://i.imgur.com/fvuEgZF.png
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KevinMarks_ yeah, my margins are werid
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KevinMarks_ though focus was good on my unstyled thing
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JonathanNeal We can select the exact text, as if you had done a find.
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KevinMarks_ hmmm.
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KevinMarks_ I think the para highlight is good
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KevinMarks_ updated my site
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KevinMarks_ http://localhost:5000/fragmentions.html##words+are
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KevinMarks_ er
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KevinMarks_ http://kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html##words+are
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KevinMarks_ hm doesn't seem to work on android chrome or firefox now
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KevinMarks_ though does on iOS safari
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KevinMarks_ and ios chrome
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KevinMarks_ oh, hangon, I lost one of the hashes
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KevinMarks_ phew
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JonathanNeal Yes, the styling should appear in all major browsers, and even the legacy IE7-8.
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JonathanNeal If you slightly changed your CSS to something like { background-color: gold
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JonathanNeal outline: 0.375em solid gold
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JonathanNeal } it might look even better.
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KevinMarks_ nice
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KevinMarks_ I should change my old blogpost to use <p> so I don't get ragged right highlights
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Loqi I agree
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Loqi [mention] http://bridgy-kwm.appspot.com/comment/facebook/12802152/10100825555067949/10100825555067949_8512368 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://bridgy-kwm.appspot.com/comment/facebook/12802152/10100825555067949/10100825555067949_8516419 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://bridgy-kwm.appspot.com/comment/facebook/12802152/10100825555067949/10100825555067949_8512680 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://bridgy-kwm.appspot.com/comment/facebook/12802152/10100825555067949/10100825555067949_8511810 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://bridgy-kwm.appspot.com/comment/facebook/12802152/10100825555067949/10100825555067949_8512782 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://bridgy-kwm.appspot.com/comment/facebook/12802152/10100825555067949/10100825555067949_8512788 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@ShaneHudson RT @kevinmarks: @quinnnorton @jilliancyork @zephoria I do sometimes wonder if #indieweb is the SCA for blogging, like https://t.co/yCzDSiPO… (twitter.com/_/status/457431712713441280)
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KevinMarks benwerd: did you look at webmention integration of fragmentions?
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JonathanNeal benward, KevinMarks, what are those?
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KevinMarks This was what started the conversation - being able to target a webmention to a paragraph, like medium
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JonathanNeal Yes, I have wondered if fragmentions should be more context aware (if paragraph or heading found, backup to that, otherwise the element)
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JonathanNeal But then doesn’t that overcomplicated things? Meh.
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KevinMarks If you find the text in a blockquote, follow it to the linked source? (I can over complicate fire ages based on use cases from the annotation meeting)
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JonathanNeal i don’t follow the blockquote thing.
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JonathanNeal Would you elaborate?
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KevinMarks I was being a bit silly. If I wrote a post that quoted your post, and someone sent a webmention to that bit of my blog, it would really be a webmention for you
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snarfed kylewm: excited to review the PR!
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snarfed btw i'm adding you to the app engine project so you can check out everything there. lots of detailed info
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kylewm snarfed: oh that's awesome, thanks for adding me. so. much. data. :)
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@psyhigh Tired of Renting Your Self Actualization? Manufacturing Identity in the Psychosphere In The Lab at 1pm @indiewebcamp @caseorganic #psyjobsyo (twitter.com/_/status/457582658277867520)
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dariusdunlap Hiya… Geeking out day for me. ;-)
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KevinMarks sounds like fun
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@srcr Tried my skills at programming again and again stuck :( I would like to code my own #indieweb site but don't have the skills to do it. (twitter.com/_/status/457601961043718145)
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@mrmzholland @srcr Me neither. You could always start with a Wordpress theme that's #indieweb friendly? (twitter.com/_/status/457610101235679232)
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: I ran the unit tests on activity streams and there seem to be a few FAILS in the instagramm portion which I have not touched at all! The Twitter tz tests all go through!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: It seems that replies to your FB post have been sent over to my article as "replies" http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog#responses... Bridgy should really start looking at your FB post as a repost and not syndication of my article
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KartikPrabhu sorry link: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog#response-38
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v0_ Wow. That's a nice design.
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v0_ I like how the text shifts over to the right to make room for diagrams.
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KartikPrabhu v0_: thanks :)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: oh wow, yeah that's interesting ... I assume the same would happen with replies to tweets about your article too
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KartikPrabhu yup! the replies seem very out of context
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KartikPrabhu it is because bridgy considers your tweet/FB post as a syndication not repost...
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kylewm yes, hmm, I wonder if that is my fault for the way I posted it
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KartikPrabhu no your original post has a repost-of but FB does not know that!
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kylewm oh I mean, the way I posted it to FB ... but it doesn't distinguish does it
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KartikPrabhu and so neither does bridgy
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KartikPrabhu yeah FB does not distinguish repost from syndication
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kylewm this could dovetail nicely with the reverse-original-post-discovery thing I have been working on
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KartikPrabhu yes! I haven't looked at that but it might solve this problem too
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kylewm it wouldn't solve it yet, but it could be a piece. we could use a heuristic like There Can Be Only One original
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kylewm and if we find the original on the author's homepage, then it's safe to assume that it's the original
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kylewm um, duh, wouldn't need my new stuff for that
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kylewm just check the domains
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KartikPrabhu yes!
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KartikPrabhu so if I post my article it would be syndication, but if you do it would be repost-of
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KartikPrabhu but that will need some other mechanism to get original-post url... Since replies to your FB post are considered as replies to my article
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kylewm there would still be the problem that, if i posted a link to your site directly to facebook (i.e., no POSSE)
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kylewm it would send replies as if it was a syndication of your post
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kylewm i guess this is the verification issue
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kylewm https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/6
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KartikPrabhu yup it is that issue
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KartikPrabhu maybe that's where your original-post-discovery could come in handy
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kylewm ha, so in the degenerate case, someone could post your link and write that it's total garbage
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kylewm and people would reply "no way you're wrong!" and only those would show up on your site :)
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kylewm I thought there was an issue like two days ago to send you the original mention of your site, in addition to responess to the mention?
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kylewm s/original/initial/
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: I thought there was an issue like two days ago to send you the initial mention of your site, in addition to responess to the mention?
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kylewm bc then if you knew reply1 is in reply to post, and reply2 is in reply to both {reply1, post}, you could organize them as a thread
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kylewm this is what i was looking for btw https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51
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kylewm well trod ground it seems :)
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@kevinmarks @dannysullivan perhaps you should look into http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/457661868975218688)
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