#indiewebcamp 2014-04-26

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jeremyzilar
Hello all — working on details for tomorrow's IndieWebCamp meetup
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@sandeepshetty
RT @t: Boarded. See you soon New York City. #indiewebcamp Bloggers, blog, link to, pingback http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/NYC/Guest_List to RSVP. (ttk.me t4Vk5)
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@riftom
RT @t: Create and share things that are useful even if you're the only person who ever uses them. #indieweb ht: @ade_oshineye (ttk.me t4MZ2)
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@FrenchCorsair
RT @nitot: Great post by @dangillmor : Why the #IndieWeb movement is so important - http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ via @benwerd
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: snarfed left you a message 4 hours, 13 minutes ago: good eye! looks like the code is right and just the comment is wrong. fixing now.
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@bretolius
RT @t: Create and share things that are useful even if you're the only person who ever uses them. #indieweb ht: @ade_oshineye (ttk.me t4MZ2)
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@jmsmcfrlnd
@amyhoy ok, aside from your value-add - me less twitter and more blog - leaving wannabe behind …must…become…do…er… #diy #indiewebcamp
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@wraithgar
It took several months of procrastination but I think I'm finally gonna homestead all the things: blog, code, pastes, IM #indieweb
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edited /2014/NYC/Sessions (+251) "add some headings, scope to intros & demos session"
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silencematters.com
uploaded /File:nyc-iwc-guest-list.pdf "A guest that we'll share the front security desk at The Times building. Will be updated as needed."
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@EchosBusiness
RT @nitot: Great post by @dangillmor : Why the #IndieWeb movement is so important - http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ via @benwerd
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@bear
At 30th St. Station waiting for train to New York city for IndieWebCampNYC #indieweb
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@Arty2
A guide to getting you on the #IndieWeb → http://indiewebify.me/
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edited /mobile (+243) "mobile web apps, are we mobile yet"
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-05-07-homebrew-website-club (+0) "/* URLs */ fix URL copy pasta"
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edited /Events (+6) "bolden datetime for next HWC"
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@LubaAlexandrova
The #indieweb movement or why we should re-decentralize the #internet ? http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/
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tantek.com
edited /2014/NYC (+81) "note ring doorbell on the outside"
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dshanske
Test
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dshanske
Is anybody there?
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dshanske
Testing the NY Times connection
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dshanske
They are blocking the port to my bouncer
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kylewm
mozillasf blocks mine too
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek
hey is this on?
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tantek
anyone waiting outside?
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dshanske
tantek: I'm stuck in a conference room.
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dshanske
Trying to figure out how I would simulate Bridgy sending a webmention converted from a network back to the test site
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dshanske
Can some people send this link some webmentions in order to work on styling them?
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dshanske
I need all types of webmentions
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jeremyzilar
Live from New York
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dshanske
It's Saturday Morning?
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rascul
10:30
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dshanske
rascul: I was finishing jeremyzilar's line
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rascul
oh i missed that reference
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tantek
Cameron just showed up so we're kicking off!
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dshanske
I just got a test reply from kylewm . I need a test like and repost.
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dshanske
And a favorite
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dshanske
kylewm: It didn't come through till I manually sent the webmention
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tantek
trying a realtime comment demo with aaronpk's site, latest note
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kylewm
dshanske: ah, my fault. i tried to send it to Failed to send webmention for http://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/25/video-embed-test/#respond. Response status code: 400
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kylewm
i tried to send it to #respond*
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dshanske
That's the comment thing for Wordpress
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dshanske
How does it look, kylewm ?
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dshanske
I wrote this last night. Not fully baked
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kylewm
look purty cool, need more likes to see for sure!
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dshanske
kylewm: I'll work on it. Almost ready to take it live and continue the innovation
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dshanske
Hi, bear
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bear_
hello
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tantek.com
created /2014/NYC/ (+22) "r"
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bear_
I had to join via a web irc service - the times network is blocking ports that my znc use
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tantek
Tantek demonstrates posting a reply to one of aaronpk's notes, Twitter POSSE threading, and webmention to aaronpk's post.
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tantek
demonstrates dshanske's current site, and new site
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tantek
including composite feed
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tantek
demonstrates Dan Gillmor's site, including interactions showing up from Twitter and G+ on his latest blog post
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tantek
went out to take a photo - since Brian Behlendorf had to go for the day
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tantek
cameron demonstrates a pre-deploy version of his site on /localhost
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tantek
including 31 puppies can't be wrong
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bnvk
OMG PUPPIES!!!!
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tantek
cameron demonstrates Haven, an archiver for Instagram
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tantek
and all meta data about the photo
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tantek
but not the interactions yet
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tantek
actually Haven is capturing all the data, including interactions, but hasn't surfaced them in the web UI yet
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tantek
Haven currently can archive from Instagram, Twitter, Gimmebar (a Pinterest-like thing)
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tantek
they're building Flickr, Delicious, Pinboard, and Evernote archiving
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tantek
Haven allows you to search across all your archives of those services also
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kbs
nice! sounds like a great tool
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tantek
they're working on an anniversary feature that shows what you've posted today a year ago, 2 years ago, etc.
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tantek
Haven also archives things you *like* or *favorite* on Instagram and Twitter
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tantek
you can see Your Likes, Your Photos, or All
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kylewm
is there project url for Haven?
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dshanske
haven.me
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tantek
closed beta right now
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dshanske
But there is a notify me link
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tantek
discussing other possibilities for Haven to archive for you
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tantek
Nike+ Running info - OAuth + JSON API
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allo
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tantek
welcome camcam!
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tantek
Jeremy Zilar is demonstrating his site silencematters.com
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tantek
showing his permalink of a blog post - post pages are easy to get right
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tantek
home pages are difficult
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tantek
how do you create meaning by putting two things by each other
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tantek
typical blog format requires that you write on a regular basis
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tantek
have created a couple of different formats
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tantek
one of them is for drawings, link to stuff without a headline
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tantek
also has a clear Google Analytics disclosure in left column
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tantek
Note: I use Google Analytics to understand how people are using my website.
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tantek
with links: Opt-out | Learn more
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tantek
heads-up: Google Analytics is turning into Universal Analytics
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created /nike (+18) "r"
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tantek
camcam: more on the Nike+ API - analysis at IndieWebCamp: http://indiewebcamp.com/Nike%2B
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edited /homepage (+84) "/* Things currently on homepages */ disclosure - per jeremyz real world example"
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created /disclosure (+718) "stub with defn and IndieWeb Example"
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dshanske
Iran wins over Reagan. Yay
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Loqi
yay!
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tantek
Jeremy continues to show in-person examples
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dshanske
Don't look at me. I still argue about the lack of merit of Calvin Coolidge.
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tantek
examples of headlines and size thereof to communicate significance of, even across days, weeks, years
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KevinMarks_
did NYC just go for lunch?
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tantek
"All the me that's fit to post" - David's updated tagline based on NYTimes
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bear_
we are getting a great tour of older type face and layout from jeremy
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bear_
he has a number of books from the times over it's history
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tantek
shows https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl-chggIMAAGyBZ.png:large as illustrating the race to the lowest common social profile denominator
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dshanske
I know this isn't directed at me, but I'm really feeling maybe I should reconsider.
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KevinMarks_
is there a video link for NY?
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XgF
tantek: So all networks will eventually look like Google+? :P
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dshanske
XgF: I'm starting to fear that
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JonathanNeal
We need a good icon logo for fragmentions, one that would work as the icon for the context menu.
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KevinMarks_
is there a designer in the house?
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JonathanNeal
Unless someone can figure out a way to create a context menu item in chrome without an icon (preferred).
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JonathanNeal
looks like an annotation
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KevinMarks_
or a link http://thenounproject.com/search/?q=link that has a highlighter tip?
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tantek
is there a canonical talky.io for indiewebcamp?
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tantek
shows bear.im and his blog bear.im/bearlog
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tantek
most recent post is an RSVP to benwerd's indie event for IndieWebCampNYC
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tantek
noticing that bear's RSVP post showed up as a comment on benwerd's indie event post
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tantek
debugged it - the p-rsvp property was being hidden inside an unnecessary h-as-note object
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tantek
bear removed the extra markup, re-webmentioned his RSVP
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tantek
and benwerd's indie event automatically updated, moving the comment from a comment to an actual RSVP!
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@ChrisSaad
[Blog Post] The challenge with developing Open Standards http://chrissaad.com/professionalblog/2014/4/the-challenge-of-developing-open-standards #indieweb #dataportability tip @Techmeme
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@jimgroom
POSSE: Publish On Your Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #ATLDomain
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@allistelling
RT @jimgroom: POSSE: Publish On Your Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #ATLDomain
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@Scrivenings
RT @jimgroom: POSSE: Publish On Your Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #ATLDomain
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tantek
bear notes that his site is statically generated, supports microformats
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silencematters.com
uploaded /File:saturday.jpg "#IndieWebCamp NYC — Saturday"
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tantek
chrisssaad - lot of truth in your blog post
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chrissaad
@tantek thanks - i'm a little embarrassed because a) i joined this chat room to hang out and get back into things not knowing I would write that post today and b) I didn't know #taging it with indieweb would cross-post it into here lol
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KevinMarks_
that's the thing about standards... ;)
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KevinMarks_
they interoperate whether you expect them to or not
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chrissaad
@kevinmarks lol indeed
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JonathanNeal
Looks good. Family outing this morning, then I'll throw the scripts up on the Chrome web store.
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KevinMarks_
how am I supposed to add a comment to svg without using bloody RDF
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: a comment? like a <!— comment —>?
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KevinMarks_
I think <desc> will do
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KevinMarks_
cna I upload an svg to the wiki?
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kevinmarks.com
uploaded /File:highlink.svg "An icon design for fragmentions by Kevin Marks, licence Creative Commons – Attribution (CC BY 3.0). Based on: Link designed by Vittorio Maria Vecchi from the Noun Project http://thenounproject.com/term/link/24580/ and: Redaction designed by Dan Hetteix from the Noun Project http://thenounproject.com/term/redaction/28201/CC-BY 3.0"
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@kevinmarks
I "designed" an icon for fragmentions: http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention#Proposed_icon I'd love someone with actual design ability to fix it https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/460123587760779265/photo/1
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@drjaxon
RT @jimgroom: POSSE: Publish On Your Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #ATLDomain
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camcam
...and I'm back
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dshanske
Back
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bret
hows it going!?
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bret
any talky.io rooms or hangouts going on?
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@cplong
RT @jimgroom: POSSE: Publish On Your Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #ATLDomain
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@khomotso
RT @jimgroom: POSSE: Publish On Your Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #ATLDomain
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bret
going out to lunch, bbl
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tantek
hey bret, aaronpk, did we have a canonical talky.io channel for indieweb?
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tantek
I didn't see any /talky or talkyio page on the wiki
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tantek
aaronpk, do you remember what we used for IndieWebCampSF?
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tantek
I can't seem to find anything about remote participation on the IWC SF wiki pages, or on /remote_participation
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dshanske
This look better?
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barnabywalters
tantek: my browser history indicates that /indiewebcampsf was used
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tantek
alrighty then, we'll use /indiewebcampnyc
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tantek
barnabywalters - want to join that on talky.io?
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barnabywalters
tantek: sure
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tantek
Here at IndieWebCampNYC after an extended demo & discussions morning and tasty lunch (Thanks &yet!) we've decided to jump right into hacking sessions instead of brainstorming!
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tantek
!tell snarfed where did you come up with the u-favorite-of markup in Bridgy? How does Bridgy distinguish likes and favorites?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm
i'm curious what folks are hacking on, if anyone feels like sharing :)
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barnabywalters
kylewm: not there in person, but I’m working on my feed consumption toolkit
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dshanske
kylewm: Follow your page. I'm styling your head
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tantek.com
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (-2) "add explicit TOC"
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tantek
barnabywalters ^^^
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jeremyzilar
twitter://post?message=hello%2F%3Fbtn-twitter
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+358) "/* Official Guest List */ added myself to remote participants"
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bret
ok back!
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tantek
hey bret are you trying to join your talky?
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tantek
s/your/our
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: hey bret are you trying to join our talky?
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bret
yeah but I dont have a webcam or a mic!
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bret
it doesnt look like the either pad got much love
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bret
i'm thinking that rather than relying on the github api for a micropub endpoint, I'm going to simply shell out to git and file system support
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bret
thaty way its not tied to gh, just remote git access
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kylewm
bret: fwiw, I fully support this ^ :)
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bear_
is there a place to test h-entry pages for proper mf2 markup
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bret
the only danger is that if your endpoint gets pwned, that someone will get a private key
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barnabywalters
bear_: test-alt doesn’t try to understand any microformats markup
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bear_
yea, just saw that
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barnabywalters
you can also use http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/microformats-to-atom/ and an ATOM reader to test it out
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bret
barnabywalters: i like these tests :) are the new?
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barnabywalters
bret: the indiewebify.me ones or my /services?
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barnabywalters
both have been around for a few months
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bret
yours!
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tantek
talking about what would it take to have NYTimes blogs accept comments via webmention
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barnabywalters
bret: thanks!
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bear_
i'm just trying to see if my... /me tries that new one
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bret
barnabywalters: do you mind if feed readers subscribe to your mf-atom gateway?
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barnabywalters
bret: nope, that’s what it’s there for!
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barnabywalters
if there are problems I’ll just add more caching
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bret
barnabywalters: the feed has a ref to a PuSH hub
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barnabywalters
bret: hm, that’s probably a mistake
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bret
so I can just ping the hub and it will support it?
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barnabywalters
bret: I was just about to remove it, but sure, yeah that should work
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bret
ill play with it some
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bret
more *
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barnabywalters
bret: just pushed some changes which should have improved the feed template
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barnabywalters
removing hard-coded references to my site
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JonathanNeal
KevinMarks_: that icon doesn’t work at 32x32 or 16x16.
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KevinMarks
Ah, that's the downside of vectors
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KevinMarks
What needs tiny icons like
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JonathanNeal
Some vectors look amazing at 16x16.
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JonathanNeal
But yes, sometimes they have to be custom designed for those resolutions.
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 9 minutes ago: where did you come up with the u-favorite-of markup in Bridgy? How does Bridgy distinguish likes and favorites?
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JonathanNeal
KevinMarks_: okay, the Chrome Extension was updated, and should automatically deploy for folks soon.
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JonathanNeal
I used a generic share icon.
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tantek
hey there's snarfed
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snarfed
hey tantek! hmm, not sure. I'll look in 5m
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bret
how did it all go today?
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snarfed
tantek: i'm not sure i ever used u-favorite[-of] markup in bridgy
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snarfed
did you see it somewhere?
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snarfed
i do put silo-specific text content like "favorited this," "+1ed this," etc in the generated markup, maybe that's what you're thinking
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tantek
snarfed it appears that the WordPress plugin for handling bridgy webmentions also looks for "u-favorite-of"
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tantek
silo-specific text content makes total sense
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snarfed
tantek: ah, got it. yeah, that's pfefferle and acegiak, maybe with light nudging from me. but you're right, u-favorite-of doesn't (or shouldn't) really exist in general
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snarfed
it's pretty harmless in that plugin, but we can still remove it
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tantek
snarfed - I was just curious about the reasoning behind it
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snarfed
tantek: got it. short answer is, not much :P
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barnabywalters
tommorris: are you a good person to ask questions about java deployment of?
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barnabywalters
I’m setting up elasticsearch on my debian VPS and am not sure which java runtime package to install
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@ahmetasabanci
@orosane I was thinking about same for a while and this is one of the ideas I found interesting http://indiewebcamp.com/
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bear_
barnabywalters: the default java package will work with elasticsearch
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barnabywalters
bear_: OpenJDK?
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bear_
just needs to be recent
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barnabywalters
awesome, I’ll install that
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@zeynep
"As someone who lost seven years of my online life, I warn you about investing too much in platforms you don't own."-@LatoyaPeterson #TtW14
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bret
hey barnabywalters :)
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barnabywalters
greetings bret!
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barnabywalters
my connection is getting pretty bad
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bret
lol, my laptop is going to light of fire
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barnabywalters
bret: fan noises? ;)
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bret
should get my other camera working
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bret
yeah, cpu at 100%
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bret
its bret!
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bret
i got a haircut today
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bret
im going to email github support about these 301 redirects
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barnabywalters
I’m signing off for the night. have a good evening everyone in NYC, and see you tomorrow!
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bret
you guys have fun today? :)
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bret
I'll be at http://calagator.org/events/1250466065 tomorrow, trying to put some camlistore notes up onto the internet
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Loqi
Camlistore Brunch & Deploy on Sunday, Apr 27, 9:00am at The Waypost
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bret
if anyone else is interested
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@jeremyzilar
Tantek moving one of the HUGE building blocks that make up the internet #indiewebcamp http://instagram.com/p/nRYSPOi3Is/
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aaronpk
yes this ^^
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@aaronpk
@benwerd I couldn't agree more! Also a service that helps people with domain registration and DNS! #indieweb (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/04/26/1/indieweb)
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@kevinmarks
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