#indiewebcamp 2014-04-27

2014-04-27 UTC
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Loqi
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GWG
Back
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chloeweil.com
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pdurbin
no mention of github on http://indiewebcamp.com/silos ? is github a silo?
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kylewm
pdurbin: yes^ imo at least
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GWG
Yes, but it can be exported and migrated in a useable format. If there is a degree of silodom...
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kylewm
agreed. how was iwc GWG
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chloeweil.com
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+5) "/* Creators */"
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GWG
kylewm: The new layout is live at my site.
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GWG
Needs tweaking
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GWG
is still hacking
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aaronpk
you know you're doing standards development right when you discover a new feature of a service because there is unexpected content on your own site
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GWG
aaronpk: What feature?
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@mathpunk
@orosane I've been hanging out with #indieweb kids, when I have the chance. I think there are exciting things brewing.
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aaronpk
kylewm: this is super exciting!!!
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@orosane
#TtW14 is making me wonder how internet users could own their own means of production, instead of relying on tumblr, twitter, et. all
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@wraithgar
Wrote a little post about why I forked hastebin http://danger.computer/2014/04/26/artifice tldr it’s #indieweb
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@IndieCreddit
RT @wraithgar: Wrote a little post about why I forked hastebin http://danger.computer/2014/04/26/artifice tldr it’s #indieweb
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aaronpk
who's going to register http://ok.computer/
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KevinMarks_
computer.love
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aaronpk
what there are color TLDs now?
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aaronpk
.red .blue .pink
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aaronpk
I feel like "artificial" works well with a lot of the new TLDs
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aaronpk
artificial.red, artificial.international, artificial.ceo, artificial.education
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aaronpk
artificial.domains
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KevinMarks_
there's a .foo?
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KevinMarks_
camp.foo and foo.camp needed
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aaronpk
artificial.lighting
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aaronpk
artificial.diamonds
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KevinMarks_
das.capital
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KevinMarks_
pop.rocks
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GWG
Makes the internet so much more complicated
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KevinMarks_
bathtub.vodka
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KevinMarks_
waron.christmas
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KevinMarks_
tom.cruises
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KevinMarks_
.shiksa? is that an epithet people want?
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GWG
KevinMarks_: For what reason?
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KevinMarks_
as a tld?
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KevinMarks_
private.parts
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aaronpk
oh man the fun never ends
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@_tomsteele
RT @wraithgar: Wrote a little post about why I forked hastebin http://danger.computer/2014/04/26/artifice tldr it’s #indieweb
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@helloanselm
So I’m asking the #indieweb folks: Is there any similar service to Buffer (timed sharing to services like twitter)?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @marihuertas: twitter stalks you mercilessly to make you use the fake accounts you create
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @marihuertas: twitter stalks you mercilessly to make you use the fake accounts you create
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@fdevillamil
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @marihuertas: twitter stalks you mercilessly to make you use the fake accounts you create
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@nchenga
@leumund ich. Gerade dein Tweet gesehen und mich angemeldet. Gibt es Beiträge zum Thema #indieweb https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb ? /cc @wordcampch
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jeremyzilar
Good Morning New York! IndieWebCamp NYC: Day 2
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@RightSaidJames
RT @benwerd: Stripe will pay open source developers $7.5k/month to focus on their projects for 3 months: https://stripe.com/blog/stripe-open-source-retreat #indieweb …
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
remote participants, we're now online at talky.io/indiewebcampnyc
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tantek
barnabywalters: ^^^
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barnabywalters
tantek: nice! I’m just heading out but will join you later
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tantek
I wonder if we should keep track of these, articles where people (re)declare their blogging intentions
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bear_
those articles would be good to have in a "why indieweb" page
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GWG
Good morning jeremyzilar
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tantek.com
edited /remote_participation (+149) "a bit more how to"
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bear_
good morning GWG
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tantek
kicking off the morning with "What are you going to hack on today?" round table
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GWG
Oh. I should get my stuff set
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tantek
Jet: Going to look at /payment page and see what I can get going on that. But first writing a blog post about the weekend.
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tantek
Bear: Working on having comments show up on my posts from the webmentions I'm already receiving and storing URLs of.
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tantek
Tantek: Working on next step in Person Focused Mobile Communications.
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tantek
Jeremy: Trying to get my blog silencematters working with webmentions receiving & displaying using plugins, and POSSEing to Twitter. Digging into WordPress plugins to figure out how to design and integrate getting facepiles to work for likes similar to aaronpk.
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GWG
jeremyzilar: Let's talk about that. I just did that.
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@dshanske
I'm remotely participating in Indiewebcamp NYC this morning, as I have to be at work later and can't get to Manhattan and back in time. ...
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GWG
There is it, making its rounds.
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GWG
The formatting for the POSSE versions still doesn't look right.
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tantek
GWG awesome!
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GWG
tantek: I deployed the new version last night
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aaronpk
good morning nyc!
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aaronpk
i can't hear you guys, but it's cool that I can see myself on your screen
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tantek
aaronpk we can hear you
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tantek
shows bear the regular expression for the CASSIS auto_link function >:D
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aaronpk
maybe I should mute myself so you don't hear me typing all the time
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tantek
aaronpk - it's all good, typing = productivity
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bear_
oh my word - that is one *evil* regex
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bear_
https://www.debuggex.com/ <-- for those who have regex issues to work out
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GWG
aaronpk: Hi, aaronpk
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aaronpk
hello! had to make coffee.
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tantek.com
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+43) "sort the people that have shown up so far, update counts"
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aaronpk
4 minutes until the french press is ready!
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 4/27 8:08am (#5405)
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aaronpk
oo I get to try out the fancy new guest list template thing
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jeremyzilar_
Choo! Choo!
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tantek
aaronpk, is that a train on your end?
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aaronpk
ha you can hear that?
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Loqi
the french press is ready!
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aaronpk
i have you guys on a separate monitor now so I can see you out of the corner of my eye
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GWG
What was that URL for talky?
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Loqi
woot
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bear_
we can't hear you GWG
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aaronpk
tantek: i'm going to ship you one of these cool webcams
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GWG
This is my Lifecam
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bear_
GWG it's your open laptop mic
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GWG
It isn't a laptop
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GWG
It's a desktop
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GWG
I muted on my end.
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GWG
I'll go get headphones
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GWG
In the meantime, please enjoy this boat painting
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GWG
I got the headphones
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GWG
And unmuting
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GWG
It said THIS SPACE FOR RENT
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tantek
Paul Ford in the house!
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GWG
aaronpk: You have a whiteboard in your house?
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tantek
Chloe Weil is here too!
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GWG
Who?
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aaronpk
GWG: two of them!
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: hardcore
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GWG
aaronpk: Very Big Bang Theory
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kylewm.com
uploaded /File:kwm-linkless-tweet.png "RT of a post by @dangillmor that includes a link to an article, but not a link to the repost."
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aaronpk
tantek: do you normally get packages shipped to your house or do you pick up from an amazon locker
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GWG
This is riveting video
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kylewm.com
uploaded /File:kwm-original-post-with-ppd-comments.png "An original post on kylewm.com that shows backfed replies, even though the syndicated content did not have a link to the original."
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GWG
kylewm: I want to know more about these changes. I want to stop with the linkback URLs in the syndicated content.
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kylewm.com
edited /posse-post-discovery (-329) "woo! Bridgy now supports posse-post-discovery to backfeed when there is no original post link"
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jeremyzilar_
GWG — can you moderate the mention that I just sent to http://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/25/video-embed-test/
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+326) "add myself to remote participation"
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barnabywalters
learns about amazon locker
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kylewm.com
edited /posse-post-discovery (+4) "/* Bridgy */"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+0) "/* Remote Participants */ sort"
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kylewm.com
edited /posse-post-discovery (+1) "/* Bridgy */ style"
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kylewm
GWG: yeah! i'm super excited about it these changes! let me know if my edits to the wiki leave anything to be desired for getting set up
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aaronpk
whoa amazon has same-day delivery to SF
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GWG
jeremyzilar_: On it. I've switched off the tiny site in favor of my normal one.
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GWG
jeremyzilar_: No new comments on tiny.n9n.us
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GWG
kylewm: What wiki page is it?
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aaronpk
am I gonna have to write a regex rule to auto-link text like that to the wiki page in the logs?
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barnabywalters
greetings NYC and aaronpk!
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aaronpk
greetings!
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GWG
kylewm: What do I need to do on that end?
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GWG
barnabywalters: What am I, chopped liver?
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barnabywalters
GWG: ah, I see you now!
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barnabywalters
you hadn’t shown up yet. hello!
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GWG
barnabywalters: Deployed my new theme with markup. Hopefully it gets the barnabywalters seal of approval
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kylewm.com
edited /Bridgy (+285) "/* Implementation details */ added posse-post-discovery section"
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kylewm
GWG: I tried to put info for publishers here http://indiewebcamp.com/posse-post-discovery#Set_up_your_site ... please tell me if it is confusing, wrong, or otherwise lacking!
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GWG
Why is indiewebify.me not picking up the syndication links on http://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/04/27/exciting-news-bridgy/ ?
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GWG
They are definitely there.
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GWG
aaronpk: But they are in the code. That is why I'm wondering what I'm missing.
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aaronpk
i don't find any text "syndication" in the source either
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aaronpk
actually I don't even see it on the page
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GWG
I do.
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snarfed
GWG: try in an incognito browser window, ie not logged into wordpress
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snarfed
probably something that's only turned on for admin users
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GWG
Oh...
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GWG
The cache
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GWG
I forgot.
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aaronpk
yay caching
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kylewm
Thank you for the nice comment, GWG :)
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GWG
I couldn't add the links till I posted them
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GWG
So, it cached the non-linked version
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GWG
One second
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snarfed
morning all, and i'll second the congrats kyle
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GWG
Logged in users bypass cache.
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snarfed
off to (re)post now
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snarfed
btw kylewm, one fun thing you can do now is add this to the docs. templates/about.html
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snarfed
(actually, i'm probably the only one who thinks that's fun :P)
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tantek
hey barnabywalters !
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barnabywalters
GWG: new site and markup looking good!
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barnabywalters
good afternoon tantek
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@kyle_wm
See http://indiewebcamp.com/posse-post-discovery for more details on Bridgy’s linkless original post discovery!
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GWG
aaronpk: I cleared the cache. It requires me sending a special header in.
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aaronpk
i see it now!
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GWG
aaronpk: The cache purging code obviously needs to be revisited
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aaronpk
caching is hard
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GWG
aaronpk: It is an nginx fastcgi cache with a purge triggered by requesting the page with a special http header
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GWG
When's lunch at this event?
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GWG
And can someone pass me a slice of pizza?
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aaronpk
no but i can give you some coffee
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GWG
Sorry, dont' drink it.
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GWG
Maybe I will go grab something down the street and bring it back. I have to eat something before work in 2 hours.
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snarfed
welcome!
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@giri_sreenivas
@davewiner: Mathew Ingram misses the blogosphere. http://t.co/CQBQtmIVLo” /cc @schnarfed for IndieWeb mention
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GWG
snarfed: I got that feature working yesterday just before Indiewebcamp and finished it there.
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snarfed
congrats!
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snarfed
good timing
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bear_
wonders if KartikPrabhu is around?
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GWG
snarfed: That was why tantek was asking about favorites vs likes. I was sitting there with that.
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@schnarfed
RT @kyle_wm: See http://indiewebcamp.com/posse-post-discovery for more details on Bridgy’s linkless original post discovery!
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snarfed
congrats again, kylewm. for such a substantial addition, i really am impressed with how smoothly the launch went. and everyone's definitely going to love it. nice work!!!
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GWG
I've muted myself. My ears were hot
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GWG
kylewm: But it is still not recommended over linking the other way?
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snarfed
GWG: probably personal preference, and depends on the post type too
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bear_
!tell KartikPrabhu i'm getting an error using your mf2py fork: "ImportError: No module named mf_helpers"
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret
morning #indiewebcamp
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snarfed
morning bret!
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tantek
morning!
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kylewm
snarfed: thanks for the nice words and for all the support and feedback!
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aaronpk
morning bret!
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GWG
snarfed: I can't get the posting right
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snarfed
GWG: no?
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barnabywalters
greetings bret!
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bret
hey barnabywalters :)
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bret
aaronpk you dont have op!
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tantek
GWG, you should add yourself there too - be in two places on the page :D http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/NYC/Guest_List#Remote_Participants
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bret
bear so rad!
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bret
bear does it do echo reduction and stuff?
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david.shanske.com
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GWG
Note to self...get new profile picture
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GWG
THat isn't a current one. But I rarely pose for pictures
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GWG
I'm hungry. Please talk amongst yourselves. Be back shortly
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aaronpk
hm a side effect of me launching this change is i'm going to lose the references to external posts in my /tags feed
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aaronpk
until I build a DB index for external posts
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aaronpk
i suppose that's ok since that was kind of a side effect anyway
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barnabywalters
bret: nice kitchen!
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GWG
I left you an avata
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GWG
I left you an avatar
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bret
barnabywalters :D making coffee
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bret
kitchen/diningroom/bedroom
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GWG
jeremyzilar_: Done
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bear_
!tell KartikPrabhu I fixed the issue and sent you a pull request
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret.io
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+310) "/* Remote Participants */ Added me!"
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aaronpk
was everyone hammering the wiki when it crashed?
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bret
gotta run!
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barnabywalters
bret: have a good day!
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bret
ill be back later working on camlistore
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tantek
"You just can't beat a make file, they're so good." - @ftrain
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aaronpk
is launching DB indexing on aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
currently rebuilding the DB from the list of files
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: nice! is your table structure documented anywhere?
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aaronpk
it will be soon
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tantek
"So uh, I've taken over my wife's blog and she doesn't know it." - @jeremyzilar
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GWG
Did I miss anything?
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GWG
Guess not. Looks pretty much the same as when I left.
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@benwerd
Secret had a masquerade ball. I'm looking forward to the first #indieweb party, where we all dance in our bedrooms to the same music.
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@dlature
.@aaronpk in @dangillmor (re: Indie Web mvmt importance) "the silos formed & attracted people because it was easier" http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/
(twitter.com/_/status/460458897493749760)
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GWG
I hear some interesting conversation going on there.
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@t
Meanwhile @IndieWebCamp: @ftrain uses an Android to ssh, emacs add rel=me to http://t.co/r38casTXuF, works first time. (ttk.me t4Vn2)
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GWG
I'll stick with vi and nano
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ftrain.com
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+244) "/* Creators */"
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GWG
aaronpk: More coffee?
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aaronpk
more coffee!
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GWG
aaronpk: Want a slice of pizza?
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aaronpk
GWG: lol
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aaronpk
wow someone did this http://spoke.coffee/
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GWG
I have a question for the group
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GWG
Styling an h-card. Thoughts?
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@obra
RT @benwerd: Secret had a masquerade ball. I'm looking forward to the first #indieweb party, where we all dance in our bedrooms to the same…
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@dascritch
RT @t: Meanwhile @IndieWebCamp: @ftrain uses an Android to ssh, emacs add rel=me to http://t.co/r38casTXuF, works first time. (ttk.me t4Vn2)
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GWG
I want to create a Wordpress h-card widget
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GWG
jeremyzilar_: Still hoping to get a copy of those docments
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aaronpk
huh I think I accidentally wrote some code
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: STAY CALM
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aaronpk
i have no idea how this got here
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GWG
aaronpk: Codemonkeys have been dispatched to your location.
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GWG
aaronpk: Too much coffee?
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aaronpk
if that's the case, I want more of this coffee
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Loqi
gives aaronpk more of this coffee
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aaronpk
thanks loqi, you're the best
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Loqi
you're welcome
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aaronpk
this coffee must have some PHP in it
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: what does the mysterious code do?
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aaronpk
renders the posts on my tag page using the same code as when they're displayed in a regular list, so I can remove a lot of special casing I was doing
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GWG
aaronpk: And you don't remember writing it
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barnabywalters
off to start making evening food
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GWG
barnabywalters: Have fun
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aaronpk
I copy/pasted from a different part of the code when I was refactoring, and somehow it got transformed into the newer better version after I pasted
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GWG
Sleeprogramming?
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aaronpk
coffeegramming
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jeremyzilar_
L U N C H
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@generic_brian
first #indieweb url setup. No real indieweb integration yet, maybe today maybe tomorrow http://atoddswithclarity.com/ #noForm #noStyle
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@markhdavis
RT @kyle_wm: Great article! Brace yourself for more attention #indieweb RT @dangillmor Why the Indie Web movement is so important http://t.…
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silencematters.com
edited /2014 (+484) "/* IndieWebCamp 2014 */"
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@MENGonline
RT @kyle_wm: Brace yourself for more attention RT @dangillmor Why the #IndieWeb movement is so important http://dangillmor.com/?p=1173 #mengonline
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: do you have a better way of pushing out tiny changes to a composer package other than making a whole new tag and incrementing the minor version number?
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aaronpk
i sometimes end up pushing out tiny fixes and have to go from 0.1.12 to 0.1.13
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aaronpk
cool now I have paging on my tag pages
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kylewm
interesting, mf2py parses GWG's h-card p-author as "Author"
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kylewm
php-mf2 gets it right, no surprise
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kylewm
aaronpk: db-indexing is live on your site now?
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aaronpk
now porting to caseorganic.com
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aaronpk
the only noticeable difference you'll see is that I was able to add a new URL: http://aaronparecki.com/metrics/sleep
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aaronpk
because now I can easily query for just the "sleep" type of metrics
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kylewm
maybe it's just me but it feels faster
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: nicely done!
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aaronpk
it's quite possible
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aaronpk
it involved a lot of filesystem queries before
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kylewm
did you maintain an index on disk before? or just walk the directory tree?
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aaronpk
I had an index file for tags, but the lists were walking the filesystem
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kylewm
awesome
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kylewm
thinking about how i'm going to handle that down the road :)
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aaronpk
i did have an attempt at caching the lists in memcache but I don't think that was working very well
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barnabywalters
if I ever move away from files+CSV indexes, it’ll be to elasticsearch
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aaronpk
elastic search seems cool but is a little scary
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@jjmajava
RT @t: Writing & *doing*: @dangillmor post on his own site about #indieweb: http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ and syndicates to Slate. (ttk.me t4Vk2)
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aaronpk
and now DB indexes are live on caseorganic.com!
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
edited /database-antipattern (+24) "/* Caching ok */"
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aaronparecki.com
created /database-cache (+319) "Created page with "{{stub}} Databases are often useful as a caching layer or when used to be able to perform complex queries of content. === IndieWeb Usage === * [[User:Aaronparecki.com|Aaron Par...""
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aaronpk
kylewm: barnabywalters: some notes on my database usage in p3k http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Database
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aaronpk
lunch time
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kylewm
aaronpk: cool, thanks for sharing! are you using postgres?
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@tylrrbrts
Decentralize the internet. Learn more about the @indiewebcamp from @dangillmor. Get back to owning your ideas. http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/
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barnabywalters
you have gone!
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bear_
can you hear us kyle?
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kylewm
my volume was muted
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kylewm
can hear you now!
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barnabywalters
kylewm: nope, still muted!
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aaronpk
kylewm: mysql, cause I don't have a good postgres setup in production right now
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kylewm
I can hear you
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kylewm
my mic doesn't seem to work
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kylewm
which is ok
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barnabywalters
I heard some noises!
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bret
what if i told you running smallest federated wiki was as easy as npm install -g wiki?
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kylewm
magritte++
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Loqi
magritte has 1 karma
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kylewm
GWG: do you know that your h-entry's have two p-author cards on permalink pages? http://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/04/27/website-version-2/
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bear_
bret - is that ward's code?
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tantek
greetings
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bret
bear_: yup!
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bret
he came to play around with camlistore and we got distracted for a bit with sfw
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bear_
hahaha
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Loqi
rofl
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GWG
kylewm: You want me to answer your comment here or in line?
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kylewm
here's good
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kylewm
hey does anyone know if Amber's passion projects talk is online somewhere? I couldn't find it for the life of me
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@ejpfauth
Here's a guide to start publishing in the 'indie web' way. Still pretty geeky, but it feels rebellious too http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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@ftrain
@t @indiewebcamp XSLT is an excellent technology and one day the world will agree. See you (remotely, probably!) at the next one in June.
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kylewm
tantek: I don't think I changed it
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: bear_ left you a message 4 hours, 9 minutes ago: i'm getting an error using your mf2py fork: "ImportError: No module named mf_helpers"
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tantek.com
edited /Getting_Started (+17) "fix shortlinks link"
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: bear_ left you a message 3 hours, 51 minutes ago: I fixed the issue and sent you a pull request
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kylewm
signed off ... bad connection here, I want to see the demos later though!
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GWG
kylewm: The social icons were on the test site. The profile picture was not. I want to fiddle with it to make sort of a business card style h-card
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GWG
Also, the social icons are a fixed position, the profile pic is widgetized. So, I need to adjust the sidebar configuration.
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GWG
I may pull up the content bars
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aaronpk
hm yes I thought amber's talk was online
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aaronpk
maybe not
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KevinMarks
It was filmed
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KevinMarks
I suspect Julie Ann will need to find a new host url
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aaronpk
all the previous talks are on the github youtube channel
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kylewm
good point KevinMarks
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KartikPrabhu
bear_: sorry for that error. There was an untracked file. Update mf2py repo with corrections
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@GossipExMachina
Take back your email. Mail in a Box https://github.com/JoshData/mailinabox #indieweb
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bear_
KartikPrabhu: no worries - i'm using it for some work and ran into it
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KartikPrabhu
yeah. that;s what I thought... I'd hate to hinder your progress at indiewebcamp ;)
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bear_
that is not a worry - my own coding blunders are doing a great job of slowing me down today :)
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KartikPrabhu
is implementing scheduled posts ala http://indiewebcamp.com/scheduling
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jeremyzilar
Sorry for all the pings in the IRC, I have been testing a number of different things between my blog and my wife's blog
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snarfed
glad to hear it jeremyzilar!
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snarfed
feel free to ping if you have any q's
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KartikPrabhu
jeremyzilar: have fun with bridgy!
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jeremyzilar
snarfed: Thanks, trying to figure out what the next step would be to pull in twitter favs and tweets about my post into my blog
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snarfed
webmention support!
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snarfed
what server software does your blog run on?
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GWG
jeremyzilar: I know you run Wordpress. You want to see my code for the Facepiles off of the Linkback plugn
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jeremyzilar
snarfed: WordPress
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KartikPrabhu
just made scheduling! w00t! http://kartikprabhu.com/article/twisted-belt a future post that does not show up in feeds ;)
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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jeremyzilar
GWG: That would be great — I would like to see how to pull in the likes
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snarfed
aha, wordpress. installing the indieweb bundle plugin should be enough. http://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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jeremyzilar
KartikPrabhu: Nice!
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barnabywalters
jeremyzilar: it’s fascinating hearing somone discover the joys of IRC for the first time :)
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snarfed
jeremyzilar: ok, i favorited a tweet of yours. try hittng the "poll now" button on https://www.brid.gy/twitter/jeremyzilar
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jeremyzilar
snarfed: Wow, that is great. Thank you!
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GWG
jeremyzilar: I use Bridgy for that.
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GWG
My work just takes the webmentions and formats them differently for display
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jeremyzilar
snarfed: So, will brid.gy poll automatically every X mins or is it a manual poll each time?
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snarfed
jeremyzilar: automatically every 15m or so
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jeremyzilar
OK, great.
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KartikPrabhu
jeremyzilar: bridgy responses are so great to see :)
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: will your belt article have images in the future?
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kylewm
wondering if I should wait to read the whole thing :)
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KartikPrabhu
oh yes... it is only the text now for testing
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KartikPrabhu
images are hard to make :(
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jeremyzilar
GWG: Did you go into the WM plugin and separate out the likes from the replies and sich?
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kylewm
refernce to The Prestige got my attention though
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KartikPrabhu
aaah poop! that was supposed be some sort of hidden easter egg
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GWG
jeremyzilar: No. They are separated out. I did it at the theme level. It could be done at a plugin.
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GWG
wp_list_comments(
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GWG
array(
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GWG
'type' => 'webmention',
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GWG
'callback' => 'wp_webmention',
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GWG
'avatar_size'=> 75
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GWG
Sorry...that didn't paste well
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GWG
I have separate formatting calls for webmentions, comments, and pingbacks/trackbacks
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GWG
There are other ways
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GWG
It could be a single callback function, with a switch case
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /scheduling (+241) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add me!"
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KartikPrabhu
oh noes! what happened?
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KartikPrabhu
is there a good recommendation for default parsing in case a webmention source does not have microformats?
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aaronpk
fpm is having issues
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: yes see comments-presentation but after i restore the wiki
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KartikPrabhu
cool! thanks
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KartikPrabhu
bummed about missing most of the indieweb aciton yesterday. hope people are having fun
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bear_
it's been a great session
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: that mostly relies on microformats which I think I have done already. I was wondeirng if the source does not have microformats
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aaronpk
hm I thought there was something there about it
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aaronpk
I think I just display it as a link anyway
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barnabywalters
KartikPrabhu: probably just take the <title> and URL as name and url, ignore author and the other properties
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aaronpk
I wouldn't even trust the <title> tag
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barnabywalters
if you’re really desparate you could try parsing for opengraph or twitter or dublin core or RDFa or microdata or whatever
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barnabywalters
s/desparate/desperate
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: if you’re really desperate you could try parsing for opengraph or twitter or dublin core or RDFa or microdata or whatever
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aaronpk
IME the <title> tag is often full of junk or doesn't look good when rendered as a comment
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KartikPrabhu
barnabywalters: I was thinking of using some of the usual meta things people use like meta name=author
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barnabywalters
KartikPrabhu: what do people even put in meta name=author?
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barnabywalters
a URL? a name?
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KartikPrabhu
for instance: <meta name="author" content="Kartik Prabhu"> from my site
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aaronpk
for some reason I have that too
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aaronpk
I don't know why, I wonder if it was something to do with google authorship
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KartikPrabhu
i think this is the older pratice
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KartikPrabhu
you can also do a meta name="thumbnail" which is what FB uses as th preview iamge
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aaronpk
now I support deleted posts!
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KartikPrabhu
sweet! i should do that too. tombstoning!
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aaronparecki.com
edited /p3k (+43) "/* Features */"
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aaronpk
was trivial once I had a database index
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KartikPrabhu
the trouble is that Django's default delete just deletes the object from DB. WIll have to fiddle with that at some point
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KartikPrabhu
I do have it for responses where the response-type is set to deleted!
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: updated mf2py with better encoding detection. might be useful for bridgy
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: thanks! will do
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aaronpk
working on an indieauth client now
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: does it seem strange to you that mf2py picks up "Author" as the p-author property here http://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/04/06/feedback/
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kylewm
it's <span class="p-author"><a href="..." title="Author">Actual Name</a></span>
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KartikPrabhu
this is on the h-card? or the main page author?
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kylewm
the hcard inside the hentry
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kylewm
(the first one)
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barnabywalters
off to make hot chocolate, bbiab
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bear_
\o/ I have my code auto-adding webmentions to my posts using mf2py
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kylewm
bear_ that's awesome! then regenerating the static site?
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KartikPrabhu
bear_: awesome! :D
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GWG
kylewm: Did I mark it up wrong?
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KartikPrabhu
GWG, kylewm: looking at that. I supposed php-mf2 does what is expected..
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kylewm
GWG: no i don't think so, I think it's a mf2py bug
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KartikPrabhu
s/supposed/suppose
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: GWG, kylewm: looking at that. I suppose php-mf2 does what is expected..
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GWG
KartikPrabhu, kylewm: Will ask though....should I change something though? It would be a simple fix to change the markup.
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GWG
As the bug won't be
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: no it is definitely a bug in mf2py the markup is pretty sound
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KartikPrabhu
your markup is helpful to track down this bug, so it is better left alone :)
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: found the bug! it is in the helper function https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/dom_helpers.py#L15 it turns out that check_name is allowed to be a string or list, and so it checks for 'a' in 'abbr' which is True! :|
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kylewm
whoa how'd you find that so fast?
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kylewm
that is subtle
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KartikPrabhu
well I wrote most of it. so I know where each piece is :)
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KartikPrabhu
i'll add a check for string and deal with it that way
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kylewm
nice! thanks mucho
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aaronpk
bret: have you given any more thought to indieauth+micropub since last hwc?
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bear_
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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@paulmwatson
The IndieWeb movement encourages the best of old-school blogging and social networks. Own and share your work. http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
aww! thanks guys but it isn't fixed yet :)
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: bear_: some advice. Currently that method uses tuples to check to valid elements, is it advisable to allow tuples and lists so stick with tuples?
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: kylewm: bear_: orme advice. Currently that method uses tuples to check to valid elements, is it advisable to allow tuples and lists or stick with tuples?
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KartikPrabhu
yeah well! spelling booboo :)
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kylewm
yeah, that's tricky cause strings are iterable arent they
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kylewm
so you can't just check if the input is iterable
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KartikPrabhu
I'm going with tuple or list
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kylewm
I'd vote to allow either
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bear_
KartikPrabhu: I always stick with list
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bear_
but yea, the difference between a list and a tuple as an input should not matter
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KartikPrabhu
ok cool! :)
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bear_
they should be read-only and both are iterable
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm, bear_: fix pushed! thanks for noticing this. GWG's markup is correctly parsed now :)
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jeremyzilar
Can I get a few people to FAV or RT this Tweet? https://twitter.com/jeremyzilar/status/460539659060117505
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KartikPrabhu
jeremyzilar: faved! that episode is lying in my feed waiting to be listened
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jeremyzilar
KartikPrabhu: Thanks!
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KartikPrabhu
but why did it not showup ?
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@LegendaryPKMN
Surely http://www.legendarypokemon.net/psi wasn't timed well, hard to understand, harder to realise. Here's hoping to a future #pokemon #indieweb!
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KartikPrabhu
alright! laptop dying... time to leave cafe!
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aaronpk
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@destaic
RT @paulmwatson: The IndieWeb movement encourages the best of old-school blogging and social networks. Own and share your work. http://t.co…
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aaronpk
are you guys doing presentations at some point soon?
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GWG
How is it that I'm exposing all these things?
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GWG
First that favorite thing, now this?
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kylewm
woohoo, GWG is no longer 'Author'
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GWG
Taking a break now
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GWG
kylewm: Looking at the social menus issue.
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tantek
what is the social menus issue?
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kylewm
tantek: I think it is just a layout thing that I suggested to GWG, rearrange things to be a little tighter
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: what’s the drawing in your background?
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tantek
really doesn't like the noisiness in Twitter latest stream UI :(
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GWG
kylewm: How is that?
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GWG
I took out the margin
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tantek
aaronpk, we're doing a quick round table on demo-readiness
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kylewm
looks pretty good to me GWG, good compromise :)
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kylewm
I have a smaller laptop screen than normal so i'm especially sensitive to big gaps i guess
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aaronpk
cool i'll get headphones
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: that's the sketches for the shed in the backyard which is now almost finished being built
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GWG
kylewm: I want to design a Wordpress widget to cover the h-card profile picture in the corner
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GWG
what is there now is temporary
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: nice!
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: this is a little messy, but here it is! http://instagram.com/p/mlZZRZJN5I/
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aaronpk
also it's painted now so it looks better
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: looks like quite an up-market shed!
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aaronpk
brb taking a picture
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: thanks for the py3 shims! :)
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bear_
ok, this is what I did today - well, it will show what I did if someone tosses a webmention at it -- https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/117/bearlog-now-handles-inbound-webmentions
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aaronpk
that's wht it looks like now!
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bear_
that's more than a simple shed aaronpk :)
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GWG
kylewm: I'm looking at your site
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aaronpk
you have no idea :)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: is it fully home-automated?
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barnabywalters
or shed-automated?
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KartikPrabhu
bear_: I got a 500 error
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bear_
looks
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aaronpk
the floor is heated, and i'm putting in philips hue bulbs
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aaronpk
the floor heat will be controlled via a nest
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KartikPrabhu
bear_: here is the permalink if you want to test yourself in detail: http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/bear-mentions
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: that’s insane and also awesome
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aaronpk
also at night there's floor lighting in the patio which i'm hooking up to motion sensors
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GWG
aaronpk: What will you be doing with this shed?
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barnabywalters
briansuda got a phillips hue to play with
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kbs
bear_: an unrelated minor heads-up [for the tiny fraction of pgp-heads still around :)] https://bear.im/pubkey.txt is currently pointing to a file with two keys, one an expired one.
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aaronpk
it's kind of an office
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bear_
kbs - thanks - I keep forgetting to remove the expired key reference
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GWG
aaronpk: A very geeky one.
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bear_
KartikPrabhu: can you try again - I fixed the error
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bear_
wooo!
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KartikPrabhu
hey! there we go! :)
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KartikPrabhu
but the display looks as if I'm the author ;)
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KartikPrabhu
also some datetime funniness
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bear_
yes, tantek was just saying the same thing
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bear_
it's me not grok'ing how to read the mf2 output
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bear_
yea, I have some bugs - kylewm's mention has no author
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KartikPrabhu
yeah just saw that :)
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kylewm
hey but it showed up, that's so cool!
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bear_
but the good part is that the plumbing is using mf2py so any mistakes are mine to fix
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: what is the url for your mention. I'd like to see the author buisness
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: in case you didn't see it before, I have an ipad attached to the wall which controls the philips hue bulbs http://instagram.com/p/jVF1GPDciJ/
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aaronpk
most expensive light switch ever
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bear_
nice drywall screw mounts :)
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: aah you hide the hcard. that's why i remember there not being one :P
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aaronpk
bear_: yeah I couldn't find a wall mount I liked so I was like screw it
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KartikPrabhu
badoomtsssh!
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bear_
hahaha
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kylewm
aaronpk: was that 9 celsius or fahrenheit?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: that is very cool. the furthest we got in the office was controlling it via python on the commandline
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aaronpk
kylewm: celsius
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kylewm
I didn't think it got THAT cold in portland :P
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: it's very well done cause the wifi bridge thing is its own API and doesn't rely on a cloud service
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aaronpk
kylewm: yeah I've been setting everything to celsius so that I force myself to learn it so I can communicate with all my non-US friends about the weather
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kylewm
love it
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: is 9° usual temperature for portland?
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kylewm
kbs: they are asking how you are sending webmentions from irc
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kylewm
curl?
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kbs
yea
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kbs
I should probably add somethnig in erc I guess, just for kicks
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Loqi
yea!
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: I don't know, my knowledge of celsius is only around 0-6 and 18-23
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: fair enough :)
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aaronpk
did facebook just switch to posting new comments at the top of threads?
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@djp1974
What I did while on my #socmed sabbatical - started #blogging: http://wudt.wordpress.com/2014/04/27/makingtomorrowbetter/ Help me chose a name! #indieweb #somid2000s #fb
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tantek.com
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jeremyzilar
Ok, we are starting on a few DEMOs here in NYC
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tantek
Starting demos!
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jeremyzilar
Happy words
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aaronpk
Loqi is magic
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KevinMarks_
I don't think so aaronpk
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jeremyzilar
What are we showing here? Bear is about to speak.
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: hello!
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jeremyzilar
Bear has a static site. Added logic to add webmetions into his custom site, which is using the microformat2 python library which KartikPrabhu and tantek are working on
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barnabywalters
hi KevinMarks!
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KevinMarks_
hello noisy typign aaron
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aaronpk
that wasn't me :)
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KevinMarks_
no, just joined for demos
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jeremyzilar
Tantek is hooking up technology
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jeremyzilar
Hopefully you should see something other than the BLUE screen on the wall
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KartikPrabhu
jeremyzilar: I don't think tantek pythons (do you?). mf2py is originally by tommorris, barnabywalters and newer people are me and kylewm...
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jeremyzilar
KartikPrabhu: I am not a scribe by training....
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KartikPrabhu
tantek does give a lot of useful feedback though ;)
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kylewm
hehe, he said Tom and Kartik aloud
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: where did you go!
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bear_
jeremy is now navigating on tantek's phone to his home page
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KevinMarks_
tantek hasn't got a phone
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aaronpk
found a stage light so he looks better on camera
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bret
aaronpk yes, I am thinking that I will implement a stupid git pull, add new file, commit, push endpoint instead of relying on the github api
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bear_
it's tantek's phone that jeremy is using
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tommorris
iPod touch iirc
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tommorris
hey KartikPrabhu
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aaronpk
bret: cool that makes sense
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KevinMarks_
overexposed
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KartikPrabhu
hello tommorris :)
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bear_
the display on the wall is of tantek's iphone - it has down the left side of icons, text message, fb, xmpp, gtalk
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bret
aaronpk I could add api support later
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bear_
the first icon is the text message one
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bear_
now he sent a message
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bear_
and we are waiting for it to appear on the ipod
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bear_
which it did
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aaronpk
there it is!
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bret
but I'm just going to have the endpoint shell out to git via a library
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bear_
now he is going to the page and is going to click on fb_messenger
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KevinMarks_
that one stopped working on android
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bear_
now he is entering a message
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bear_
and it appeared
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bear_
now he is trying facetime
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bear_
it's a big jeremy!
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bear_
his ipod is receiving the facetime call
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aaronpk
feedback
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bear_
and the feedback tells us it is working!
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bear_
and now he is trying skype
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aaronpk
hi bret!
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bear_
and now he is trying twitter dm
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bret
hey aaronpk
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KevinMarks_
skype worked before
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bear_
he wasn't logged into skype
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KevinMarks_
copy/paste put in your userid means lots fo people will copy paste your address and use that
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tantek_
Next up is Jeremy
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bret
bear can i join talky with just a mic?
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chloeweil
Jeremy is showing off web mentions on his domain
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chloeweil
If you fav a tweet they will show up on the post
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chloeweil
He also has POSSE to twitter working as well
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chloeweil
In summary: POSSE to twitter works, and webmentions too. He is curious about investigating Aaron's blog
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GWG
Investigating for?
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Loqi
p is it
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bret
pk for parecki!
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bret
av is hard
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tantek
Chloe is up next!
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tantek
she's is trying to liberate some intensely personal metadata that she's been tracking in iTunes since 2002
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tantek
like seasons she's listened to them
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tantek
wants to use subscription services
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bret
so rad! lost at data a number of times. total bummer
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tantek
wants to handle that metadata on her own
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tantek
rather than being tied to song files
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tantek
or iTunes metadata files
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KevinMarks_
do you use the itunes 'played' data? Or tag yourself?
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tantek
has built a dump of iTunes data
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tantek
into Mongo and Node
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tantek
collections are the seasons tagged to the songs
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tantek
every song, location of the file, and either edit it, or pull in the song from spotify or RDIO
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tantek
or even send play lists to spotify or rdio
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tantek
also has a list of seasons
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tantek
including a count of songs in that season
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tantek
e.g. Winter2007
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aaronpk
is this the URL she's talking about? http://chloeweil.com/summer/
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KevinMarks_
remembers scrobbling
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tantek
2003SUM for 2003 Summer
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KartikPrabhu
choelweil++ very neat idea!
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tantek
e.g. search Billy Idol
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Loqi
choelweil has 1 karma
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tantek
and then see seasons from that
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: I still scrobble!!
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KartikPrabhu
chloeweil++
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Loqi
chloeweil has 1 karma
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KevinMarks_
chloeweil++
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Loqi
chloeweil has 2 karma
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tantek
so this is like an example of personal data liberation
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jeremyzilar
Really cool
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aaronpk
very cool. I want to do more of that with the music I listen to as well!
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aaronpk
I have a note about hosting my own playlists https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/45
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: I remember when hosting your own scrobbling server was a thing that was possible, cause all the clients let you define your own scrobble server URL
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KevinMarks_
looks like mine broke in 2011: http://www.last.fm/user/kevinmarks
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KevinMarks_
chloe is a bit far from the mic
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aaronpk
tantek: there will be a nice webcam waiting for you when you get home. that will help with future video calls. :)
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bret
want!
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bret
"get your rsvp in by ... to get a rad button
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barnabywalters
I don’t have anything to demo but I did ship this: https://github.com/taproot/subscriptions
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: whoa
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barnabywalters
very under-documented and under-tested at the moment, but it’s a good start
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aaronpk
I don't have anything to demo cause it looks exactly the same, but p3k now has a DB backend for rendering all the list views
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: you could demo paginating on tag pages :)
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aaronpk
also I am working on adding good debugging/troubleshooting/error reporting to the indieauth client at http://client.indieauth.com/signin based on what I did with http://ownyourgram.com/
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KevinMarks_
NY involves massive pre-planning 'cos everyone has long commutes (In SF it's just me who has one)
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Loqi
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KevinMarks_
"About the author: I've been running this website from 1997." http://www.ftrain.com
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KevinMarks_
I've edited the wiki on android, I even uploaded a photo
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KevinMarks_
(It was hard)
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KevinMarks_
so he gets a lie-in?
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KevinMarks_
or we get up at 6am in portland?
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aaronpk
is lie-in some sort of british thing?
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aaronpk
bret you're like in some sort of hacker movie now
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bret
lol whut?
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kbs
(bear_: one more webmention - with some signed-subcontent, hope this sparks some ideas vis-a-vis spam-proofing :)
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tantek_
good night all!
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Loqi
see you in the morning!
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barnabywalters
good night! thanks for running the remote participation!
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barnabywalters
it was easily the best yet
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kbs
also thanks everyone for pasting links and notes - wasn't able to remote connect, but great to follow on irc
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kylewm
good night tantek, safe travels
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kevinmarks.com
edited /2014/NYC/Guest_List (+220) "/* Remote Participants */ add myself"
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kbs
kylewm: also sent a similar webmention to you - http://kylewm.com/article/2014/03/14/1/renaming-my-blog-engine-groomsman-to-red-wind one possibility vis-a-vis spam-reduction maybe?
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kylewm
ha, I love that your comment has a pgp signature, that would be a very effective way to reduce spam!
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aaronpk
not really. spammers can pgp sign stuff just as easily
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kbs
no, but the signature comes from my site
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kbs
theory being - verify signature from whitelist/originating site before acception I guess...
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kylewm
sure, the same is true for email, just having a signature isn't good enough
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kylewm
although the relevant xkcd contradicts me :)
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kylewm
so kbs, which section /exactly/ is signed?
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kbs
it's the bit between the --- PGP SIGNATURE -- section
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kbs
(from the command line at least- you should be able to just run gpg --verify file.html, etc...)
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kbs
anyway - this lets me host content anywhere convenient
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kbs
while still being able to let people know this was really "me" - link back to site, pubkey, etc.