#indiewebcamp 2014-05-16

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bnvk aaronpk: heya, does webmention.io support wss connections?
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aaronpk Yes, there's docs on that page I believe
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bnvk ah cool
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aaronpk fyi looks like IRC logs are another 30mb of text
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aaronpk would be significantly larger if I export the HTML version that you see on the web
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aaronpk pdurbin: ^
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 34 minutes ago: looks like rumors of this fall's IndieWebCampUK are spreading: https://twitter.com/adactio/status/466980367291789312 - hoping to see your start on http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK soon! :)
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aaronpk i just realized indieauth.com is already 2 years old
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk and now flickr is not returning proper search results for my own photos
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aaronpk !tell emmak looks like ownyourgram is getting a "401" error trying to post to your site. which reminds me that I should probably build in some better error notifications
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm hey aaronpk is there a way to pull up the OwnYourGram docs again after the endpoint has been set up?
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kylewm i know i can get them on Github
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aaronpk http://ownyourgram.com/creating-a-token-endpoint
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aaronpk http://ownyourgram.com/creating-a-micropub-endpoint
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aaronpk not sure if those are linked anywhere tho :/
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aaronpk they are in my browser autocomplete lol
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kylewm thanks, i'll bookmark them :)
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aaronpk i should link them from the front page
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aaronpk oh also I need to udpate them!
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aaronpk cause now you can use the token endpoint provided by indieauth.com!
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aaronpk ooh yeah lots of docs still to do
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Jihaisse petermolnar: hey !
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Jihaisse good job for your integration of SNAP
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petermolnar hey
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petermolnar thank you, but it's massively incomplete, there's a lot more works to do on that
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petermolnar I'll keep continue adding more services to it, but SNAP is coded somewhat really ugly
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Jihaisse petermolnar: yeah I know. I've read the code before using Social
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Jihaisse petermolnar: but thanks again for contributing
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cweiske I hate not being able to simply press "return" in indieauth
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cweiske I have to use the mouse to click the one provider indieauth shows me
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pdurbin aaronpk: I'd much rather grep through plain text than HTML anyway
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rascul irc logs? store them raw and gzip them
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GWG !tell petermolnar Curious...what are you doing with SNAP?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar hey
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petermolnar I'm using it to push excerpt & url to twitter, facebook, tumblr and linkedin based on my content type if that's the question
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Loqi petermolnar: GWG left you a message 2 minutes ago: Curious...what are you doing with SNAP?
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GWG petermolnar: I saw the comment when looking at the log earlier, was curious as I've used the SNAP plugin and had issues on and off with it.
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petermolnar it's still horrible but currently the most useful for me as I usually manually trim the messages for each system
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petermolnar ( although I've only restarted this recently, my first syndication experiences a few years ago failed miserably, I'm trying a different approach now )
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petermolnar oh, the message from a few hours ago was for that I added a minimal support of SNAP to WordPress rel-syndication plugin
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GWG petermolnar: Got a link for that? That was on my list.
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petermolnar sure:
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petermolnar https://github.com/jihaisse/wordpress-syndication/commits/master
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petermolnar SNAP's code is incredibly ugly to get anything out from it and it's full of manual exceptions
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GWG Yes.
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petermolnar this is the best I could do for now
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GWG My plan was to extract the data from the array and put it into a different field.
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GWG To allow for the storage of the URL to be handled by any plugin, but to allow for flexible display.
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petermolnar it might be enought to fix the missing/messed up postURL field in the snap entry array
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GWG rel-syndication adds the content as a hook to the end.
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GWG I built my display into the theme.
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GWG But I want to pull it out, and put it in as an if function_exists call.
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petermolnar we could add a minimal options page for rel-syndication to do it automatically or not
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GWG I think it can just be based on a theme override.
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GWG Do you have a site I can see how you are displaying it?
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petermolnar https://petermolnar.eu/ :)
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petermolnar an example: https://petermolnar.eu/blips/muforditas/
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GWG Have you seen my display?
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petermolnar not yet
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petermolnar could you please link it?
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GWG http://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/05/03/library-asked-cut-hop-pop-encouraging-violence-fathers/
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petermolnar nice, and not entirely different ( meaning: it could be morphed from my one to your one with css, but it would be a bit ugly )
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petermolnar but I see why you want the function based and not automatized insertion
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GWG Well, I could also just take the retrieval code.
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GWG But I like to think of upstream solutions
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GWG But, I think I can add value for other use cases.
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GWG Although right now, must excuse myself.
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jonnybarnes !tell barnabywalters how have I got my microformats wrong? your site isn't displaying my comment sensibly: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VoBSU/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tgbrun I am a noobe and have set up a WP site with the indieweb SNAP, among others. When I post to my site Facebook and Twitter get my posts fine. When someone replys to my tweets the reply comes back to my site but the Facebook comments do not. When I go to the brid.gy site all the twitter replys are there but not facebook. I'm sure I doing something wrong but could someone let me know where to look so Facebook works as well as Twitt
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tgbrun er.
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Jihaisse tgbrun: is SNAP can fetch facebook comments ?
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tgbrun <JiHaisse> thanks I found the setting and enabled it, will check to see how it goes.
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Jihaisse ok
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Loqi the_merlin: tantek left you a message on 5/8 at 12:06pm: idea is that if someone is reading the logs for /irc/today and they read to the bottom and want to say something, all they have to do is click the link which then joins the IRC channel and lets them say something.
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tpinto hey guys, i wanted to quickly try noterlive but http://www.noterlive.com/ is down
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tpinto anyideias?
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tpinto is it easy to just clone and run it?
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rascul that's a KevinMarks_ thing? maybe he can fix it
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tpinto ah cool, didn’t notice kevin was here
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tpinto thanks
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kylewm I know he said it's currently in exile here http://peaceful-headland-3727.herokuapp.com/
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tpinto oh thanks kylewm
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Loqi barnabywalters: KevinMarks_ left you a message on 5/15 at 3:54pm: the drawback of ZIP format is increased fragility - a bit error in HTML breaks one character
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Loqi barnabywalters: jonnybarnes left you a message 2 hours, 10 minutes ago: how have I got my microformats wrong? your site isn't displaying my comment sensibly: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VoBSU/
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kylewm !tell tgbrun re: backfeeding comments from FB. check that your posts are public and they contain a link back to the original
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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chrisroos Hi all.
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chrisroos @tommorris What do you think about another London meeting of HWC next week?
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tgbrun kylewm: When I went to setup on the SNAP package it had an option to post with attached link, which I presume is the link of the post, and then I, in advanced settings checked Import Facebook Comments and auto-approve imported comments. Is that sufficient, or do I need to do more?
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Loqi tgbrun: kylewm left you a message 5 minutes ago: re: backfeeding comments from FB. check that your posts are public and they contain a link back to the original
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kylewm oh! oops, sorry I didn't realize SNAP was doing the backfeed. my suggestions only apply to bridgy
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chrisroos My question about London HWC goes to anyone else that might be interested too, btw.
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tgbrun Thanks
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barnabywalters !tell jonnybarnes RE comment looking weird — thanks, you found a bug with mf-cleaner! Fixed, regression test added and updating now.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris chrisroos: that sounds like an awesome idea. :)
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GWG I think today I will try to set up my first github repository. Never really needed to before
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chrisroos @tommorris Cool, cool :-) I'm heading off now but will update the wiki and what not over the weekend.
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kbs barnabywalters: guess you should directly dd uncompressed tarballs to avoid filesystem issues too :)
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kbs (but what KevinMarks_ said - if you want to protect things for the 'long' term, worth using formats that are 'recoverable' from partial errors.)
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kbs zip (and git I guess) also incorporate a per-file checksum - handy to do sanity checks - idea worth using if you find a different format useful.
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ben_thatmustbeme hey guys
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aaronpk good morning!
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ben_thatmustbeme whats everyone up to?
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: working on my reader
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ben_thatmustbeme excellent
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ben_thatmustbeme i think i finally figured out how to make my site design a bit nicer
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petermolnar hm
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petermolnar akismet started to identify brid.gy webmentions as spam as of today for me, does it do the same for anyone else?
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aaronpk oh dear
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GWG petermolnar, I don't use it at the moment
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aaronpk it learns if you mark things as not spam, right?
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petermolnar I hope so
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petermolnar I started moving them out from spam folder
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bnvk petermolnar: do you get email notifications from Bridgy?
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aaronpk bridgy doesn't send emails as far as i know
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petermolnar bnvk no, I don't get mails from Bridgy
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bnvk oh, sorry- I didn't see the line about akismet
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, sweet. responsive design jumps my notes back in to order within the stream when it goes below a certain size
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ben_thatmustbeme ... sorry, just excited
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kbs yay for media queries :)
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Loqi :D
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kylewm petermolnar: does it give you any info about why it's being marked as spam? i know spamassassin had a little breakdown of all the heuristics the message triggered
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bnvk ben_thatmustbeme: url for that responsive goodness?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm thinking i'll just have it split out only notes, once i get photos working i want to have them shown like they are old poloroids
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ben_thatmustbeme ben.thatmustbe.me
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petermolnar not spamassassin, akismet as WordPress antispam service, so I don't have a clue why it's marking spams
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ben_thatmustbeme i still have a LOT of styling to do, but i'm just toying around with it a bit
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ben_thatmustbeme bnvk, the home page only, its just going to be a single stream of all entries now
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kylewm petermolnar: also, i tried googling for your blog ... most amusing image search results yet?
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bnvk petermolnar: they have changed the API, but I believe akismet has a "ham" flag you send that basically whitelists certain comments
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bnvk err *may have changed
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kbs fwiw - http://jasonsantamaria.com/reading/ has an eyecandy animated version of (responsive and tag filtering) if you have javascript enabled..
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kylewm kbs: that's awesome
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kbs yea - jason santa maria is a pretty awesome guy
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bnvk ben_thatmustbeme: looks prretty good so far :)
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petermolnar kylewm the big bad bodybuilder on google image search for petermolnar is not me :)
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luxagraf hey all
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luxagraf more questions... anyone got figured out a good way to display both a comment form and something like adactio's mention form without it all being too much? struggling with how to let people know that webmentions are another way to comment
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aaronpk heh, my solution was to drop the comment form entirely :)
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luxagraf aaronpk: love to, but my audience on luxagraf is not necessarily tech savvy and i don't want to exclude people who don;t have a site
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kbs wonders if someone has already implemented a convenient drop-in webmention<->pastebin form, though that rather seems to miss the point of webmentions :)
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aaronpk kbs: that does indeed miss the point of webmentions :)
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GWG petermolnar: Would you consider switching plugins if you can't whitelist?
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luxagraf is there an indie web equivelant of Gravatar? Would that be why you include a img tag in your hcard?
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kbs aaronpk: on a different note (and also realizing it's not long enough) so far haven't seen any unexpected issues with wget for wiki backups - seems to be working as expected since you set it up
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KartikPrabhu luxagraf: what is the problem with just showing two forms? As in "Send me a link to your reply" + webmention form + "or comment below" + comment form?
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GWG luxagraf: That is how I understand it.
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aaronpk kbs: oh great!
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luxagraf KartikPrabhu: 2 forms works okay on desktop, but it gets really clumsy on mobile and almost 40% of my traffic is mobile
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luxagraf GWG: okay that's what i figured.
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KartikPrabhu luxagraf: oh yeah I see...
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GWG luxagraf: If you have the URL, you could generate a gravatar like service. That is on my list of project idea somewhere
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GWG ideas
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KartikPrabhu luxagraf: yeah the img in the hcard is so that people can use that as your photo/avatar elsewhere
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tantek luxagraf: re: audience is not necessarily tech savvy - they can always tweet about your post, and past the link to their tweet into the webmention form
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tantek you could even make a "comment on twitter" button which did all that, popped up a window to post a tweet, got the permalink, and sent yourself a webmention
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GWG I'd be interested to see someone look at the volume of 'local' comments to backfed ones on a given site/sites.
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GWG tantek: Has anyone done that?
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luxagraf tantek: that's a good idea
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tantek GWG - not AFAIK - just a brainstorm I've tossed out there before.
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tantek Thought I'd put it on the wiki somewhere but can't seem to find it now
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tantek it might just be in UI sketches I've done in a paper notebook
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luxagraf The solution I've been leaning toward is to hide the form(s) behind buttons like "comment" "send me a link" and so on so that would work well within that
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GWG tantek: The wiki is vast
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tantek yeah I can't find it on the wiki, might just be in my UI sketches
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ben_thatmustbeme I'll second that
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GWG tantek: You remember the other day I was thinking about my taking over of the comment form on Wordpress and what else I might do with that...such as webactions...that suggestion might work well.
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tantek anyway - that's my plan for supporting comments for people who don't have their own site.
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tantek right - as a fallback for webactions
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tantek for a comment box webaction
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GWG tantek: Where are these UI sketches?
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tantek in a paper notebook
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GWG Oh
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aaronpk would anybody use upload-via-email to post images to the wiki if that existed?
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GWG There was also KartikPrabhu's post on why he is anti-local-comments.
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KartikPrabhu who harkens there!
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KartikPrabhu reads back
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: is upload via email any better than what exists now?
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kbs aaronpk: seems less convenient than just uploading locally? (i expect most people edit from desktop rather than mobile)
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aaronpk i've definitely heard complaints about how difficult it is to upload photos right now, espeically from mobile
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aaronpk photos of events for example
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aaronpk and photos of sketchbooks
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KartikPrabhu luxagraf: I was going to suggest having buttons which then reveal the form underneath
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kbs aaronpk: ah, gotcha.
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kbs should put some details about his handy-but-weird android->laptop auto-upload
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GWG KartikPrabhu, luxagraf: There are also pop up/out form options
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petermolnar reply to GWG's question: Would you consider switching plugins if you can't whitelist?
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petermolnar yes, but i honestly don't know the alternatives of akismet
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GWG petermolnar: I have been using one for Trackback spam
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Jeena snarfed so I have this weird problem where facebook creates two posts when I upload a picture via the API, with two different URLs but the exactly same content (same comments, same likes). Sadly if someone likes then bridgy sends out two webmentions which look almost alike but have two different uid:s. Do you have any ideas around that problem and how one could tackle it?
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snarfed Jeena: hey, yeah, i saw that yesterday
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snarfed thinking
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snarfed evidently i thought i fixed this a bit ago: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/127
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snarfed i wonder why it's not working for you
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snarfed the two changes that fixed it (for at least some posts) were https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/commit/419fb1dd5a30cc5a449814bec13f4f9eea01a078 and https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/commit/338997d3f6928926aab0af53c0dcd705237cf68b
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snarfed i'll reopen the github issue
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Jeena yeah it sounds exactly like my problem
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snarfed please add your examples when you get a chance!
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Jeena but you're right it doesn't happen always, only sometimes
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ben_thatmustbeme indoctrinating my co-worker
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ben_thatmustbeme and may have him using my project for his own site too
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Poat Ayo
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ben_thatmustbeme hey Poat
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ben_thatmustbeme welcome to indiewebcamp
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Poat Thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, should add a search box to the irc logs to make google searching easy
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aaronpk good call
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aaronpk I do that all the time in google
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aaronpk done
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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bret just noticed this: http://indietech.org/summit/
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aaronpk oh yeah he mentioned that a while back
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bret i hate fallout off software projects. all my ideas leak out of my head
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bret should take better notes
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bret falling*
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snarfed today's penny arcade is so good (and apropos): http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2014/05/16
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snarfed someone needs to build that
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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tgbrun_ msg/nickserve identify yanks1
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tantek I just met with one of the devs at mapmyrun.com at the Bay2Breakers running expo and he claimed they're trying to provide a way to aggregate all your fitness dat
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tantek tgbrun_ may want to reset your nickserve pw
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ re: mapmyrun
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aaronpk tantek: interesting. they wouldn't be the first i've heard of a fitness company that wants to do that
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KevinMarks_ talking instapaper and fragementions on gillmor gang
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tantek aaronpk it may be interesting to explore using mapmyrun.com to PESETAS fitness information and then use their open API to feed it all into your own site. https://www.mapmyapi.com/Standard_API
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tantek KevinMarks_: nice! be sure to remind people that IndieWebCamp 2014 is coming up June 28-29 in West and East!
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tantek aaronpk - anyway, they guy (Sam) was pretty adamant about providing as open APIs as possible so it be worth exploring - especially since it appears to be "working" right now
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aaronpk what is pesetas?
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bret boom!
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tantek what is pesetas?
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bret aw wait that wasnt loqi looking it up it was an edit
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tantek wake up Loqi
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tantek I said
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tantek what is pesetas
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk i think this is because I'm re-indexing the irc logs
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bret Loqi: what is PESETAS?
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aaronpk he'll wake up later
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aaronpk Jawbone's API has a lot of stuff too https://jawbone.com/up/developer/endpoints
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tantek.com edited /note (+17) "/* Health Fitness Tracking */ main fitness" (view diff)
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aaronpk for example I have my Strava rides pushing into Jawbone
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aaronpk ... there's a .email TLD now
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GWG tgbrun: How's the Wordpress site going?
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KevinMarks_ just invited people to IWC :D
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tantek gah - just tried to edit the wiki and got: "(Cannot contact the database server: Unknown error (db.node))"
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tantek :(
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GWG KevinMarks_: Anyone interesting and fascinating?
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KevinMarks_ John Borthwick
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GWG Unless you were inviting them to West. I was hoping to route the most fascinating people to East. But that's because I like meeting interesting people. I enjoyed meeting Tantek, for example.
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tgbrun GWG: Really well, thanks for asking. I got SNAP to post to Facebook and Twitter.Indieweb for getting comments and responses back to my site.
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GWG tgbrun: I've had a lot of trouble with the formatting. SNAP kept truncating my notes to Twitter
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tantek GWG - great to meet you in person too!
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tantek tgbrun did you reset your nickserv pw?
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tantek just another reminder to make sure
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GWG I actually wanted to switch from SNAP to Bridgy, but there's a Facebook issue that snarfed hasn't been able t track.
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sparverius if not, i'm sure someone will reset it for you :(
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aaronpk uhoh
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aaronpk well that was an unintended side effect
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tgbrun tantek: Haven't reset it yet, looking for how t do it
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tantek wah - who was it that was saying something about irony that our MediaWiki witth the database-antipattern article is itself stored in a database?
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aaronpk good thing there's a txt version now http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data/database-antipattern.txt
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tantek nice
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tantek wait that's a source version right?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek sweet!!!!
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aaronpk replicated to at least 5 people's computers now
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GWG Anyone know anything about licensing?
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GWG I'm filling out the new repository form on Github
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bret aaronpk: are you adding irc logs to the backup?
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GWG I've never tried to choose a license before.
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tantek GWG - CC0
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tantek simplest, easiest, least hassle
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bret what about MIT?
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tantek bret - MIT is US-centric
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bret ah i see
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bret interesting
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aaronpk i was trying to add them to the backup
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aaronpk and then broke everything
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bret 'murica
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tantek CC0 is basically an international-ready PD/BSD/MIT
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bret tantek: noted
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tantek bret I have a URL on this
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tantek here you go: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license#CC0_OWFa_Preferred
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GWG Oh...they have a...choose a license site.
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GWG Good
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bret reading now
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tantek bret - too many Murican devs with US-centric blinders that pick MIT or BSD out of habit
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bret GPLv3 >:]
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aaronpk ok it's back
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GWG tantek: What are the downsides to the CCO?
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GWG I should have stuck to writing...I understood those licenses.
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tantek GWG you have pretty much zero control over anything people do with your code.
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tantek GWG if you understand Public Domain then you understand CC0 - which is basically international public domain.
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tantek.com created /fitness (+1372) "stub with info from notes subsection, dfn, IndieWeb Examples off the top of my head, silo Nike+, see also" (view diff)
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GWG Well, I don't think my code is good enough for people to have any commercial use for it. But, I'll put it in the public domain
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aaronpk well so much for that idea. i'm going to have to try ading that index again later
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tantek.com edited /fitness (+100) "Jawbone" (view diff)
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aaronpk so for anyone following along at home, here's what happened
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tantek KevinMarks_: nothing on John Borthwick's site borthwick.com for about a year. Last post was about an "RSS Community Meetup" which has no follow-up, nor does the post on Winer's post
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tantek so there is no RSS Community then right? if you hold a meetup and no one shows up?
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aaronpk I was trying to add a new index to the irclog database so that I can export by day faster
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KevinMarks_ I am going to nag him about it
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KevinMarks_ heh
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tantek no seriously
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aaronpk adding the index was taking a long long time because there are so many IRC logs
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tantek KevinMarks_: maybe point out that no one cares (or should care) about plumbing-focused discussions?
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KevinMarks_ he runs Betaworks, (instapaper, digg et al)
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tantek so he understands a thing or two about UX then
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aaronpk so the database locked the table, and any attempt at writing to it (e.g. every time someone said something in any IRC channel Loqi is in), that operation would stay open until the DB freed the lock
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KevinMarks_ yay databases
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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tantek hahaha
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tantek files have similar (if not worse) locking issues though
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tantek to be fair
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tantek databases, *in theory* can parallelize better. with table-level locking (instead of db-level / file level) and sometimes even row-level locking (I know Oracle could do that like 20+ years ago)
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aaronpk so there ended up being thousands of connections waiting, and at some point the DB stopped accepting new connections
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aaronpk so all my sites including the wiki and my own site started throwing DB errors
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tantek wow
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KevinMarks_ this is the dirty secret of DB's - "Alter Table" is the end of the world
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KevinMarks_ DB people say "mapreduce is a crazy way to do queries" but miss that it is a smart way to do "alter table"
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KevinMarks_ I still need to write that rant
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tantek.com edited /fitness (+426) "MapMyFitness MapMyRun" (view diff)
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aaronpk that's a great way of putting it
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tantek aaronpk, barnabywalters could you guys expand on yourselves here: http://indiewebcamp.com/fitness#IndieWeb_Examples (e.g. since when have you been tracking what types of fitness activities on your site)
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tantek.com edited /Nike (+19) "linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com moved /fitness to /exercise "exercise sounds more like a singular/plural post type"
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tantek.com edited /workouts (+1) "Redirected page to [[exercise]]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /note (+1) "/* Health Fitness Tracking */ exercise" (view diff)
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kylewm tantek: I thought Creative Commons licenses were for prose not code?
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tantek aaronpk, barnabywalters ok I've braindumped what I have off the top of my head and could easily find to link to on the wiki to http://indiewebcamp.com/exercise - have at it!
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tantek kylewm - for *some*
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tantek CC0 can be used for both, and I've had Mozilla's lawyers review it :)
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kylewm thanks, I'll add that to /licensing
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KevinMarks_ CC0 is PD with better internationlaization
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aaronpk wow so content
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tantek kylewm - great thanks
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tantek aaronpk, which? /exercise?
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tantek just pounded his daskeyboard a ton
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snarfed what is licensing?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/licensing
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aaronpk heh someone linked to aaronpk.com on that page...
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aaronpk i should probably register that
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Loqi it is probable
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kylewm.com edited /licensing (+497) "/* Public Domain */ added CC0 and clarified that it is appropriate for code" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks "@naval: trend to decentralized, open systems is strictly 1-way. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, it's irreversible." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/467417682510626817)
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kylewm.com edited /licensing (-9) "aaronpk.com -> aaronparecki.com" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /licensing (+1) "/* Public Domain */ fix broken Mozilla URL" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /licensing (+200) "define CC0 at the top, then provide subpoints" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /licensing (+105) "IndieWebCamp wiki uses CC0 (requires and publishes)" (view diff)
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jgee thinks both the fitness and licensing pages have left the 'stub' stage
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aaronpk we don't really have a good threshold for when something is no longer a stub
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tantek what is a stub?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/stub
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tantek.com edited /stub (+11) "dfn. oops how did i forget this." (view diff)
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tantek what is a stub
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Loqi A stub is an article that is brand new or considered incomplete by the authors/contributors, based on opinion or arbitrary measure http://indiewebcamp.com/stub
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tantek and there you go ;)
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GWG I now have a github repository. I shall now celebrate appropriately.
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kylewm GWG: by leaving off-topic comments in the issues of a high-profile repository?
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GWG I was thinking by committing?
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kylewm you're right that is more appropriate :)
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GWG You are welcome to have a look and criticize my coding
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GWG I ripped this out of my theme, so it wasn't originally designed as a standalone piece
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+205) "/* Criticism */ Harmful to Body Image (what you find on Yahoo's home page)" (view diff)
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caseorganic snarfed: tantek: benward: aaronpk: Ilya Kreymer, visitor at SF's IndieWebCamp and former Archive.org Waybackmachine maintainer made this new service for recording and downloading websites. https://webrecorder.io/
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tantek that's pretty amazing
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snarfed cool! barnabywalters would also be interested
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tantek.com edited /IndieArchive (+18) "linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /archive (+3) "or" (view diff)
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tantek what is an archive?
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Loqi archive may refer to: http://indiewebcamp.com/archive
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tantek oops ;)
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barnabywalters caseorganic: snarfed: interesting! I don’t really get the “record/playback” thing.
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barnabywalters is it supposed to track my clicks and archive each site?
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barnabywalters s/site/page
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: is it supposed to track my clicks and archive each page?
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tantek yeah, the language is misleading
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tantek by "record" it means "crawl"
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tantek and by "playback" it means "view warc.gz file"
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barnabywalters okay. that’s a nice tool!
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barnabywalters sort of like http://archive.is but for downloading personal archives instead of archiving to someone’s server
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tantek aaronpk - do you have a suggestion for how I could improve the introduction / dfn of http://indiewebcamp.com/archive ?
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tantek I do think the two different meanings are important to call out
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KevinMarks_ tpinto: sorry about noterlive. I somehow broke the build and need to walk through why heroku no longer likes my version
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tantek KevinMarks can you revert to the previous working version?
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KevinMarks_ I tried that before and it didn't work. I need to spend a few hours spelunking though it
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GWG I need to think seriously about CSS
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Loqi emmak: aaronpk left you a message on 5/15 at 10:30pm: looks like ownyourgram is getting a "401" error trying to post to your site. which reminds me that I should probably build in some better error notifications
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emmak aaronpk: i changed the file format i was storing tokens in, so it invalidated the existing token
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aaronpk ah cool
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aaronpk you were able to re-auth
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aaronpk ?
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emmak i haven't tried it again yet
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emmak ok, its working again :)
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